Sporty G37 thread

[12,000 RPM]

Guys, how many times do I have to bitch slap this silly summer tire myth? The only upside to summer tires on the street is being able to say "PSS" when Matt Farah asks you what you're running on his one takes.  They're no better in the wet/dry and lunch trays in the cold/snow, while costing way more and wearing a lot faster. Here are some test results from the same car (F30 328i) in the same time of year below.... just saving this to my Imgur for the next time people wanna hate.

Gawdly super sticky summer tires:


Awful useless UHP A/S:

[68_427]

So for Michelin I see worse numbers in everything but wet braking, and in my size the PSS was cheaper.

[12,000 RPM]

We are picking nits. That slight drop off is worth not having to pay for/store/swap between an extra set of wheels and tires just to drive on the street.

[MX793]

Guys, how many times do I have to bitch slap this silly summer tire myth? The only upside to summer tires on the street is being able to say "PSS" when Matt Farah asks you what you're running on his one takes.  They're no better in the wet/dry and lunch trays in the cold/snow, while costing way more and wearing a lot faster. Here are some test results from the same car (F30 328i) in the same time of year below.... just saving this to my Imgur for the next time people wanna hate.

Gawdly super sticky summer tires:


Awful useless UHP A/S:

Nice job cherry picking the worst tire rack UHP summer tires test results.  Those tests were held on different days and weather and track conditions.  A green track surface makes a huge difference in performance (worse).

In any test were a summer and a performance AS have been compared on the same day, same conditions, the summer has been better in all conditions but cold/snow, and by significant margin.

[giant_mtb]

But guys, sporty lives in a Carolina. Winters are harsh.

[12,000 RPM]

Nice job cherry picking the worst tire rack UHP summer tires test results.  Those tests were held on different days and weather and track conditions.  A green track surface makes a huge difference in performance (worse).

In any test were a summer and a performance AS have been compared on the same day, same conditions, the summer has been better in all conditions but cold/snow, and by significant margin.

Cherry picking what lmao. Of the two tires in question (DWS06, PSS) these are the only tests Tire Rack has performed. They're on the same exact car, same roads, same track/surfaces, same time of year. What more do you want?

Even if there is a "huge" difference, and we have to come to a consensus on what "huge" constitutes, UHP A/S are good enough for the street. I had summer tires on the Z. The difference is not that big unless you are at the track, which I won't be

But guys, sporty lives in a Carolina. Winters are harsh.

Did you run summer tires year round on your A4?

[giant_mtb]

Did you run summer tires year round on your A4?

What does that have to do with anything?  And no, I ran all-seasons all the time.  Because we have all seasons.

[MX793]

Cherry picking what lmao. Of the two tires in question (DWS06, PSS) these are the only tests Tire Rack has performed. They're on the same exact car, same roads, same track/surfaces, same time of year. What more do you want?

Even if there is a "huge" difference, and we have to come to a consensus on what "huge" constitutes, UHP A/S are good enough for the street. I had summer tires on the Z. The difference is not that big unless you are at the track, which I won't be
Did you run summer tires year round on your A4?

No, there are at least three PSS test over the past 5 years.  Last time this came up, I posted a summary of all recent uhp summer and AS tires from tire rack with links.  Those two that you like to cite are outliers.

Same time of year and same track don't mean same conditions (either temperature or track condition).  Yesterday we barely broke 70F.  A week ago, it was in the high 80s.  That makes a huge difference.

Additionally, same track doesn't mean same race surface.  A "green" surface, one in which all of the residual rubber has been cleaned off, offers significantly less grip than one that's "seasoned".  If there had been heavy rains the day or two before the test, the surface would be green.

[Cookie Monster]

Those aren't even "super sticky" summers... All of those have a treadwear of 300...

[12,000 RPM]

The DWSs have a treadwear rating of 560..... and cost less.... and grip like 95% as well.... and won't require space in garage I don't have, or time 2x/yr I don't want to spend to swap out......

FFS..... here is the exact convo we had when I got tires for the Civic 2 years ago, which by the way still have most of their tread after like 40K miles. The parameters haven't changed.

Some summer tires have good rain tread/compounds. I really don't need anything super aggressive. Point about the city shutting down is legit too, I have worked from home both times lol. But it does get below freezing down here. We were in the single digits for a few weeks. I want a summerish tread pattern with an all season compound.

Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 or BFG Ge-Force Comp-2 A/S.  Both highly rated on Tire Rack in the Ultra Hi-Po all season category and prices aren't too bad either.

So UHP A/S would be better than a milder summer tire? I heard summer tires have better wet traction.

I have checked out TireRack's test reports.... pretty damn good. I will dig in.

My experience is that summers work pretty well in the rain.  But when temperatures start dipping into the 40s, or colder, grip levels are significantly reduced.  And driving at freezing or sub freezing temps can damage a summer compound tire.

Nothing has changed about my commute or NC weather. So I'm confused as to why UHP A/Ss were OK then, but not now.... aware me brahs

[MX793]

Not saying that UHP A/S aren't suitable to your needs.  Disagree with the assertion that they are effectively just as grippy as summers or that they are superior in the rain.  Neither is true, and many a test has shown that.  WRT wet performance, average Tire Rack data shows that the performance gap between A/S and Summer tires actually grows (summers being better) when the surface gets wet.

[r0tor]

The ultimate problem with all seasons are they self destruct if you try to drive on them hard for an extended period of time.  Even a few auto-x runs will have them chunking.  Forget about a track day.

For just cruising on roads they are OK.

[12,000 RPM]

Thats all I'm doing. DWS06s held up great on the Civic.

[CaminoRacer]

My DWS never had a problem during autox.

[MexicoCityM3]

But can you put a price on doing as much as you can to avoid killer street oversteer? That .02G may save your life.

[CaminoRacer]

[68_427]

Yeah I was joking about your "weak" tires until you came out yelling and screaming that you know better than everyone else.

[r0tor]

But can you put a price on doing as much as you can to avoid killer street oversteer? That .02G may save your life.

Very true 

[12,000 RPM]

Yeah I was joking about your "weak" tires until you came out yelling and screaming that you know better than everyone else.

A decade plus of posting here has put me on the perpetual defensive. My bad

Out for delivery today

[68_427]

A decade plus of posting here has put me on the perpetual defensive. My bad

Out for delivery today

Maybe lower a raised wagon next.  People seem to have stopped caring about that one

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Maybe lower a raised wagon next.  People seem to have stopped caring about that one

NOT ME DAMMITT!!!!!!!   

[68_427]

This is FBC v2.0 basically.

[Cookie Monster]

Yo where's the reveal.

[Rich]

There are other Big Things™ going on today

[giant_mtb]

Track day.

[68_427]

HE took the wheels to get mounted during the week though.  Even 56k internet isn't that slow

[Cookie Monster]

HE took the wheels to get mounted during the week though.  Even 56k internet isn't that slow

With all the money he saved by buying reps you'd think he could afford faster internet.

[12,000 RPM]

We ran into some snags :)

Rears are OK, but the fronts needed 10mm spacers. 10mm spacers need extended studs.  Spacers/studs I ordered were sent to my old apartment.  So I have to untangle it all. First step is to go get the parts from my old apartment, and then get the new studs in. Hopefully I'll have it all sorted out this week. At the minimum I want to get the rears on to drive in the rain.

[68_427]

damn you need a 10mm?

[12,000 RPM]

I probably could have got away with a 7mm. I tried a 5mm and it was still too tight

There are people running 9.5 +22-25 up front on sedans though.







But that is like the absolute limit. Praying I don't need to get fenders roll't.