If true, BMW has fully lost the plot

[68_427]

We will see

Nah I don't play Forza lol

[Submariner]

So do BMWs

k Char.

[Raza]

Let me put it like this

I drive exactly the same in the G as I did in the Z if not worse. In the Z I got pulled over a shit load of times, including once for a DUI check (I passed)

In the G, even all stance boi'd out, nobody bothers me. My last ticket was for an expired tag. So some cars reputations/impressions do have real consequences. What are the tangible consequences of driving a Scion vs a Subaru? To the automotive civilian they are both Scion TCs.

You literally drive a car with a badge that exists because of image consciousness.

[12,000 RPM]

You literally drive a car with a badge that exists because of image consciousness.

If my car had Nissan badges I would still own it

Meanwhile, you will pay a premium for the same exact car to have the right badges. That is the height of brand whoredom

[Raza]

If my car had Nissan badges I would still own it

Point is, an entire brand--three of them, actually, it was four until Scion died--is built around image because image matters.  Still think I'm weird for accepting that fact?  You can keep pretending like it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to everyone. 

Meanwhile, you will pay a premium for the same exact car to have the right badges. That is the height of brand whoredom

You actually did that.  You actually paid a premium price for a car with a luxury badge.  Millions of people have done that.  Even if you want to limit it to Lexus ES, Infiniti I, and Acura buyers, millions of people do that.  Why?

Say it with me....
Because image matters!

[Raza]

"Image doesn't matter to me!"
Buys a Nissan with a luxury badge on it after stating he didn't like the image his Nissan projected

Dude, at this point you really have to see how ridiculous it is.  This is getting to "That makes me smart.....I never said that" levels. 

[MexicoCityM3]

Other than Tibetan monks with years of training, we all are image conscious. But it sure is nice to ride the "high-horse" of 'I don't care what others think but you live for it!". Bullshit.

[giant_mtb]

Maybe I'm having a brain fart, but is there even a Nissan version of a four-door G sedan? 🤔

[Raza]

Maybe I'm having a brain fart, but is there even a Nissan version of a four-door G sedan? 🤔

Not in the US, but I believe it's sold as a Nissan in other markets, unless that's changed.

[giant_mtb]

So the argument could be made that he didn't really pay for a premium badge solely for the badge...the lesser badge doesn't offer an equivalent vehicle.  I mean, he did own a Z.  He just stepped it up to the 4-door version, which in this case, requires the badge upgrade.

[Raza]

So the argument could be made that he didn't really pay for a premium badge sololy for the badge...the lesser badge doesn't offer an equivalent vehicle.  I mean, he did own a Z.  He just stepped it up to the 4-door version, which in this case, requires the badge upgrade.

He could have gotten another Z and towed it behind.

[12,000 RPM]

Point is, an entire brand--three of them, actually, it was four until Scion died--is built around image because image matters.  Still think I'm weird for accepting that fact?  You can keep pretending like it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to everyone. 

You actually did that.  You actually paid a premium price for a car with a luxury badge.  Millions of people have done that.  Even if you want to limit it to Lexus ES, Infiniti I, and Acura buyers, millions of people do that.  Why?

Say it with me....
Because image matters!

For the millionth time, nobody has said image doesn't matter.

But if image matters so much to you that you would reject one car identical to another due to nothing but the brand, something is wrong with you. It's not binary, there are degrees of how much image matters to people. To some people (you) it matters way too much.

And yea, the logo on the back is the ONLY reason I bought the G. Not like I couldn't have spent 1/10th the money for a G20 or I30

[Raza]

For the millionth time, nobody has said image doesn't matter.

But if image matters so much to you that you would reject one car identical to another due to nothing but the brand, something is wrong with you. It's not binary, there are degrees of how much image matters to people. To some people (you) it matters way too much.

And yea, the logo on the back is the ONLY reason I bought the G. Not like I couldn't have spent 1/10th the money for a G20 or I30

You act like you're above image consciousness, all the time. Constantly. And you do the thing you do where if anyone cares any degree more or less than you, you act as if they're a paralyzed shut-in because of it.

[12,000 RPM]

You act like you're above image consciousness, all the time. Constantly. And you do the thing you do where if anyone cares any degree more or less than you, you act as if they're a paralyzed shut-in because of it.

No I don't... I post on a men's fashion forum and tailor my own clothes FFS. My main hobby centers around vanity (bodybuilding). I don't act like or pretend to be above anything. But writing off a car for nothing other than its badge? When BMW is the official brand of douchebags? (And I say this as a hopeful future BMW owner) IMO its a bit much and pretty contradictory. Brand image means everything, until it desn't.

[giant_mtb]

I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS.

[MX793]

I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS.

Deplorable.

[12,000 RPM]

I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS.

Wow you are a bad person. What a terrible image

[cawimmer430]

What's my image if I were to drive this stunning piece of 1970s American engineering and quality design? 

[giant_mtb]

What's my image if I were to drive this stunning piece of 1970s American engineering and quality design? 

If it were in that pristine condition, it would be a marvelous image.

[GoCougs]

Maybe I'm having a brain fart, but is there even a Nissan version of a four-door G sedan? 🤔

Yes, Raza fails yet again.

The G is sold as the Skyline in Japan, and perhaps elsewhere. It (or at least beginning in MY2002) was originally designed for Infiniti as near luxury/sport vehicle (which the previously Skyline was not).

[2o6]

The thing I said that Raza side stepped



The FRZ and BRZ look the goddamn same. They're made in the same production line. Most of the interior body stampings are the same.



It's like calling the Dodge Neon a piece of shit, but happlily buying a Plymouth Neon. They look the goddamn same.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

The thing I said that Raza side stepped



The FRZ and BRZ look the goddamn same. They're made in the same production line. Most of the interior body stampings are the same.



It's like calling the Dodge Neon a piece of shit, but happlily buying a Plymouth Neon. They look the goddamn same.

[Soup DeVille]

Oh, there definitely are reasons to buy a Toyota Matrix over a Pontiac Vibe.

A major one I could think of is that all Pontiac dealers I ever dealt with were absolute jackasses.

[Soup DeVille]

What's my image if I were to drive this stunning piece of 1970s American engineering and quality design? 

I would assume you're either a 70 year old man with a bit of OCD, or one of those weird European types that fetishize American land yachts.

[Soup DeVille]

Other than Tibetan monks with years of training, we all are image conscious. But it sure is nice to ride the "high-horse" of 'I don't care what others think but you live for it!". Bullshit.

Those monks all seem to take good care of those robes and funny hats. No point in monkin' if you look like a sherpa, you know?

[MX793]

The thing I said that Raza side stepped



The FRZ and BRZ look the goddamn same. They're made in the same production line. Most of the interior body stampings are the same.



It's like calling the Dodge Neon a piece of shit, but happlily buying a Plymouth Neon. They look the goddamn same.

The Plymouth was clearly superior.

[Soup DeVille]

The Plymouth was clearly superior.

Well, it was no Aston Martin Cygnet...

[MexicoCityM3]

What's my image if I were to drive this stunning piece of 1970s American engineering and quality design? 

On the spin the same as your current image.

[12,000 RPM]

Wimmer is going to be a gasket when he drives one of those pieces of shit and really sees how awful they are.

[2o6]

The Plymouth was clearly superior.

Yeah that Expresso trim...