Built in Detroit Roxor to start at $15,549.

[r0tor]

There is no point to building a non-street legal wrangler... The standard issue is more capable then 99.999% of its owners need it to be.

It's an imagine only truck, which means it needs to be street legal to be seen in

[Payman]

There is no point to building a non-street legal wrangler... The standard issue is more capable then 99.999% of its owners need it to be.

It's an imagine only truck, which means it needs to be street legal to be seen in

Not this horseshit again. 

[Payman]

New Wranglers are over $30k now. If Jeep entered the SBS market with a resurrection of a stripped and lightened CJ5, offroad only and at $15,000, I think they'd do quite well. Granted, a street legal used $15,000 Wrangler would be a more sensible purchase, but the SBS market isn't about sensibility. $25,000+ 4 seat SBS's sell regardless of more practical street legal SUV's in that price range.

[giant_mtb]

There is no point to building a non-street legal wrangler... The standard issue is more capable then 99.999% of its owners need it to be.

It's an imagine only truck, which means it needs to be street legal to be seen in

I understand that you don't understand the off-roading world, but you don't understand.

[r0tor]

If most wranglers went off of the pavement, every offroad park would be a traffic jam parking lot

[giant_mtb]

If most wranglers went off of the pavement, every offroad park would be a traffic jam parking lot

If every sports car went to the race track...

Your point is moot and point-less.

A Roxor will just about always be off road because it's not allowed to be on the road.  Ergo, it's a commitment to off roading, and is far cheaper than a new Wrangler.

[Soup DeVille]

If most wranglers went off of the pavement, every offroad park would be a traffic jam parking lot

More than most other offroad oriented vehicles, they do. That doesn't mean they spend the majority of the time there, nor does it mean the majority of Wranglers are even used offroad regularly. It certainly doesn't mean they go to offroad parks to do so.

SBSs sell in the range of 500,000 units per year, and the market is growing. A whole bunch of those are being towed with Jeep vehicles of some type; which means there's already a potential market for a Jeep SBS like the Roxor.

[giant_mtb]

SBSs sell in the range of 500,000 units per year, and the market is growing. A whole bunch of those are being towed with Jeep vehicles of some type; which means there's already a potential market for a Jeep SBS like the Roxor.

The SBS market is crazy. I wonder how 4 wheeler sales have dropped compared to the rise of SBS sales. Basically anybody that can afford it is making the switch from a quad to a SBS.

[r0tor]

SBSs are a different market of offroad then wranglers. SBSs are more desert runners where independant suspension is favored.

Besides striping out airbags (and taking a small fraction off the msrp) , I'm not sure what else jeep would do for an offroad only wrangler... It's not like the design is all that compromised for street usage.

[giant_mtb]

SBSs are a different market of offroad then wranglers. SBSs are more desert runners where independant suspension is favored.

Besides striping out airbags (and taking a small fraction off the msrp) , I'm not sure what else jeep would do for an offroad only wrangler... It's not like the design is all that compromised for street usage.

What's your point...? lol.  A Wrangler starts at $27.5k.  A Roxor is $15.5k.  Roxors are cool.  Wranglers are cool.  Want a Wrangler?  Buy a Wrangler.  Want a Roxor, buy a Roxor.

Stop getting so butthurt about other people's decisions.  Your obsession with "other people's" image really shows that it's you who has the issue with image.

[MX793]

What's your point...? lol.  A Wrangler starts at $27.5k.  A Roxor is $15.5k.  Roxors are cool.  Wranglers are cool.  Want a Wrangler?  Buy a Wrangler.  Want a Roxor, buy a Roxor.

Stop getting so butthurt about other people's decisions.  Your obsession with "other people's" image really shows that it's you who has the issue with image.

Who buys a new Wrangler to go beat it up on the trails as a toy?  You buy a used Wrangler for that kind of thing, which can easily go for the price of a Roxor.

[giant_mtb]

Who buys a new Wrangler to go beat it up on the trails as a toy?  You buy a used Wrangler for that kind of thing, which can easily go for the price of a Roxor.

Yeah, so...if you wanna do that, then do that.  Why is it such an argument...?  The Roxor has a certain "cool factor," just like any other toy.  Don't like it, don't buy one. 

[MX793]

If Mahindra can find buyers, more power to them.  Not sure I quite see a market that isn't otherwise served.  Whether somebody buys a new Roxor or used Wrangler as a trail toy is no skin off my nose, either.  I think the Polaris Slingshot is a waste of money when you can get a very gently used, or even new, Miata for the same money.  But people buy them...

[r0tor]

What's your point...? lol.  A Wrangler starts at $27.5k.  A Roxor is $15.5k.  Roxors are cool.  Wranglers are cool.  Want a Wrangler?  Buy a Wrangler.  Want a Roxor, buy a Roxor.

Stop getting so butthurt about other people's decisions.  Your obsession with "other people's" image really shows that it's you who has the issue with image.

So for $12k in savings you get a 40 year old design... Yay

Just get a used wrangler for the money

[CaminoRacer]

So for $12k in savings you get a 40 year old design... Yay

Just get a used wrangler for the money

Maybe they want something brand new. Maybe they want a CJ5 looking SBS.

[r0tor]

Maybe they want something brand new. Maybe they want a CJ5 looking SBS.

The amount of work trying to justify that much money for a 65hp ancient designed jeep is a bit much

[CaminoRacer]

You're the one who is putting a lot of work into bashing something that you clearly don't understand.

I'm not gonna buy one, but I'm not gonna stupidly say that no one else will either. I live in the SBS capital of the world and know the people who buy them.

[Soup DeVille]

SBSs are a different market of offroad then wranglers. SBSs are more desert runners where independant suspension is favored.

Besides striping out airbags (and taking a small fraction off the msrp) , I'm not sure what else jeep would do for an offroad only wrangler... It's not like the design is all that compromised for street usage.

Funny, how I live nowhere near a desert and yet they're still wildly popular here then. Maybe there's something you're missing.

Nobody has said or even implied a Jeep branded SBS would be based off the current Wrangler.

[giant_mtb]

Yeah...SBS are not strictly desert runners. lol.

[93JC]

I've only ever seen a side-by-side at a motorcycle show; never seen one out in the wild.

[giant_mtb]

I've only ever seen a side-by-side at a motorcycle show; never seen one out in the wild.

I figured everybody in Canada had one by now and people just drove them to work and sold their vehicles.

[93JC]

Nah man, we all take our snowmobiles to work.

[giant_mtb]

Nah man, we all take our snowmobiles to work.

Throw some tracks on that sum'bish.

[r0tor]

Yeah...SBS are not strictly desert runners. lol.

Desert running as in higher speed offroad driving... They definitely suck for rock crawling (which is where a wrangler is well suited)

[Soup DeVille]

Yes, that must be why Polaris sells rock crawling packages for its SBSs, why many, many clubs for rock crawling SBSs specifically exist, there are aftermarket companies that exclusively cater to rock crawling UTVs and why they have their own class at King of the Hammers.

https://rzr.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-xp-1000-eps-trails-rocks-edition/


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7id5DxjtkGs

[Payman]

Desert running as in higher speed offroad driving... They definitely suck for rock crawling (which is where a wrangler is well suited)

Enter the Roxor.

[r0tor]

Yes, that must be why Polaris sells rock crawling packages for its SBSs, why many, many clubs for rock crawling SBSs specifically exist, there are aftermarket companies that exclusively cater to rock crawling UTVs and why they have their own class at King of the Hammers.

https://rzr.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-xp-1000-eps-trails-rocks-edition/


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7id5DxjtkGs

There is generally nothing left after a razor is modded to go rock crawling... and the same can be done as or more easily with an old jeep

[r0tor]

Enter the Roxor.

It would need someone pushing it

[Soup DeVille]

There is generally nothing left after a razor is modded to go rock crawling... and the same can be done as or more easily with an old jeep

Ten minutes ago, you were ignorant that this is even done. Now, you're an expert on what modifications it takes.

Don't kid yourself; those are far closer to stock than any Jeep doing the same thing.

[Payman]

Comparing the Roxor with the Polaris RZR XP 1000...

Roxor: 62 HP at 3200 RPM and 144 lb-ft at 1400 rpm.

RZR: 110 HP @ 8500 RPM and 70 lb-ft @ 7600 rpm.

At 3200 rpm, the RZR is only making 35 hp, and at 1400 rpm, ~50 ft-lb of torque. Different machines at roughly the same price, but it's clear the Roxor is a low speed, high grunt offroader. It'll tractor over a hill, while the RZR will spin a roostertail at high rpm going up the hill.

RZR generates its power at high rpm. It's not made to be a rock crawler, unlike the Roxor, which has its grunt at a much lower rpm.