Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll

[Laconian]

Everything is subordinate to the smartphone.

[veeman]

Old people vote.  Poor memory, poor coordination, poor reflexes, poor eyesight...probably shouldn't have a driver's license.  Try getting a law requiring greater testing for the elderly to drive. 

[Tave]

Yet another reason to buy manual transmissions.

[MX793]

Yet another reason to buy manual transmissions.

How does that prevent you from forgetting to shut your car off after you pull into your garage?

[Tave]

How does that prevent you from forgetting to shut your car off after you pull into your garage?

Because taking your foot off the clutch kills the engine.  Unless you're one of those savages who likes to park out of gear.

[Soup DeVille]

That actually reminds me; do new manual cars still do that auto-shutoff thing? Or do they get an exemption from that?

[Lebowski]

That actually reminds me; do new manual cars still do that auto-shutoff thing? Or do they get an exemption from that?

Stop-start?  They can have it, the M3 had it.

[SJ_GTI]

That actually reminds me; do new manual cars still do that auto-shutoff thing? Or do they get an exemption from that?

I think it depends. IIRC the Golf R auto has stop/start but the Golf R manual does not (mine does not, but I think it started on the auto the year after I bought mine). I don't think there is a mechanical reason they can NOT have it though.

[Soup DeVille]

I think it depends. IIRC the Golf R auto has stop/start but the Golf R manual does not (mine does not, but I think it started on the auto the year after I bought mine). I don't think there is a mechanical reason they can NOT have it though.

Seems like it would be annoying to the driver, but IDK.

[Lebowski]

Seems like it would be annoying to the driver, but IDK.

It would only stop if gearshift was in neutral, and depressing the clutch would immediately restart the engine. Pretty seemless, but if it bothered you there was a button to turn it off.

[MrH]

Because taking your foot off the clutch kills the engine.  Unless you're one of those savages who likes to park out of gear.

I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

[Raza]

I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

Decisions like that are why god punished you with baldness. 

[SJ_GTI]

It would only stop if gearshift was in neutral, and depressing the clutch would immediately restart the engine. Pretty seemless, but if it bothered you there was a button to turn it off.

That makes sense.

I am not sure if it would bother me or not TBH.

[Lebowski]

I assumed it would bother me, but it didn't, even w/ all the stop n go and traffic that is my typical driving environment.

[MexicoCityM3]

Carports for safety.

[MX793]

I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

Same here.  Neutral with the parking brake on unless I'm on a decent hill, then I supplement the brake by also putting the car in gear.

[shp4man]

Jesus, you park your car without putting it in gear? Bloody millennials.    Next thing you'll say is you don't push in the clutch when starting the engine, I suppose. 

[AutobahnSHO]

whut?  It's not hard to leave it in gear so I've ALWAYS done that. And sometimes not used parking brake if it was in garage/ flat. Always parking brake the rest of the time.

[Soup DeVille]

How is it hard to leave in gear?

Nobody should trust a parking brake anyways.

[Cookie Monster]

How is it hard to leave in gear?

Nobody should trust a parking brake anyways.

Putting it in neutral before shutting it off is an extra step anyways.

[Speed_Racer]

I assumed it would bother me, but it didn't, even w/ all the stop n go and traffic that is my typical driving environment.

A Renault I rented had that feature and it was pretty invisible to me as well. I'd be ok with it on a future car

[2o6]

It's ok if the auto start is seamless.

GM cars are OK. BMW's have the worst auto start.

[Onslaught]

I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

So do I. Now in a parking lot or whatever it's in gear. In the garage it's almost always out of gear.

[giant_mtb]

I just about always parked neutral on flat ground, which was most places.

[Onslaught]

It makes it easy when I get home drunk to just take it out of gear and coast into the garage.

[Tave]

I've seen people fail to fully engage their parking brake on gentle slopes and have the car start to roll away from them. Or have a car with a bad brake that is fully engaged to the same. Seems like a pointless risk to take even if you're fairly certain the ground is level.

But regardless, if you're actively thinking about how to shut off the car, you're still a step ahead of the Darwin finalists in the OP. Manuals win again.

[Soup DeVille]

Ehhh. I don't trust cable operated parking brakes.  Comes from living in a salty road car eating state, and never knowing when the cable is just gonna say "fuck it" and snap. Even when good, they don't hold well from going in reverse.

[CALL_911]

I always park in gear, but TBH not because of distrust of my handbrake. It's just habit.

[12,000 RPM]

I parked in neutral when I had stickshift. I don't like to rest the car on whatever the "P" locking mechanism is so I always use the parking brake now.

[CALL_911]

It's ok if the auto start is seamless.

GM cars are OK. BMW's have the worst auto start.

My mom's 3-series has it, and man it feels like absolute shit.