Most exciting cars from around 2000

Started by mzziaz, January 24, 2019, 02:54:53 PM

MX793

#210
Quote from: GoCougs on January 31, 2019, 09:30:37 AM
The torque tube is a structural member of the car, and it imparts undue stress into the transaxle, which can lead to premature failure. It should be a notable area of concern for anyone considering the purchase of a (used) C5, esp. with miles.

Ah, the "I say it, therefore it's indisputable" tack.  I didn't mention it before, but the torque tube couplers are also compliant/rubber/urethane.  So between the entire driveline being compliantly mounted, and the chassis itself being far more rigid, the chassis is going to carry the load (remember statically indeterminate systems in freshman engineering school?).  Otherwise, you're saying that the engine in the Corvette is a stressed member in the chassis, something the SBC was certainly never designed to be.

Again, where are all of the actual failures?  Why do I not pull up countless threads on Corvette forums talking about broken transmission/transaxle housings (or the engine block side) on their C5+ Vettes?  Or at the engine side of the interface, as well as increased loads on the motor mounts, where there would also be similarly high stresses (yet you seem to focus on the trans side).  The Vette uses a purpose built trans housing, but not a purpose built engine block.  If the uniquely designed trans  housing can't handle the stresses, what makes you think the GM parts bin engine block can?
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Soup DeVille

I just don't see evidence of this being a recurring or common problem.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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BimmerM3

Quote from: GoCougs on January 31, 2019, 09:30:37 AM
The torque tube is a structural member of the car, and it imparts undue stress into the transaxle, which can lead to premature failure. It should be a notable area of concern for anyone considering the purchase of a (used) C5, esp. with miles.

Ah, yes, the classic GoCougs "if I keep saying the same thing over and over, maybe it'll become true" argument style.

GoCougs

The torque tube is a structural member of the car, and it imparts undue stress into the transaxle, which can lead to premature failure. It should be a notable area of concern for anyone considering the purchase of a (used) C5, esp. with miles.

giant_mtb

Guys, the torque tube is a structural member of the car, and it imparts undue stress into the transaxle, which can lead to premature failure. It should be a notable area of concern for anyone considering the purchase of a (used) C5, esp. with miles.

12,000 RPM

"The torque tube is a structural member of the car, and it imparts undue stress into the transaxle, which can lead to premature failure. It should be a notable area of concern for anyone considering the purchase of a (used) C5, esp. with miles." = Cougs BSOD

Someone please reset him
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: GoCougs on January 31, 2019, 11:00:15 AM
The torque tube is a structural member of the car, and it imparts undue stress into the transaxle, which can lead to premature failure. It should be a notable area of concern for anyone considering the purchase of a (used) C5, esp. with miles.

So Canadian ones should be OK then?
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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MrH

2023 Ford Lightning Lariat ER
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2023 BRZ Limited

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CaminoRacer

Are bellhousings structural members of cars?
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FoMoJo

Quote from: shp4man on January 30, 2019, 09:49:29 PM
LOL. The 5.4 three valve wasn't designed by the guys that did the 4.6. And the 4.6 wasn't designed for high power output. It was designed for dependability and longevity.
That's why when the cops racked up 150,000 miles, taxi companies painted them yellow and racked up another 200K.
4.6 liters equals about 280 cubic inches. I'll let you do a comparison there.
Perhaps it wasn't the intention, but the robust design of the 4.6 found it's way into a number of sports cars, exotics and race cars...

Marcos Mantis
1997–1999
327 hp (244 kW)
317 lb⋅ft (430 N⋅m)

Marcos Mantis GT
1998–1999
506 hp (377 kW)
452 lb⋅ft (613 N⋅m)
Supercharged

Panoz AIV Roadster
1997–1999
305 hp (227 kW)
300 lb⋅ft (407 N⋅m)

Panoz Esperante
2000–2009
305 hp (227 kW)
300 lb⋅ft (407 N⋅m) [12]

Qvale Mangusta
2000–2001
320 hp (239 kW)
317 lb⋅ft (430 N⋅m)

MG X-Power SV
2003–2005
320 hp (239 kW)
317 lb⋅ft (430 N⋅m)

Koenigsegg CC8S
2003
646 hp (482 kW)
550 lb⋅ft (746 N⋅m)
Dual Supercharged

Koenigsegg CCR V8
2004–2006
806 hp (601 kW)
679 lb⋅ft (920 N⋅m)
Dual Supercharged

Invicta S1
2004–2012
320 hp (239 kW)
317 lb⋅ft (430 N⋅m)

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Payman

I love the Pantera, but I wish owners would stop putting oversized wheels on classic cars. It looks so goddamn stupid.

CaminoRacer

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Payman

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 04:18:13 PM
I feel attacked
:lol:
Well. I haven't seen what you've done, but those big arsed chrome wheels on that Pantera looks awful.

FoMoJo

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Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 04:18:13 PM
I feel attacked
:lol: Your car looks good! I think the larger wheels fill the wheel wells out pretty good on the Pantera. They def look better than the itty bitty original wheels and tires! The side walls on the original rears look like they belong on a Top Fuel Dragster!
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on February 06, 2019, 05:22:49 PM
  :lol: Your car looks good! I think the larger wheels fill the wheel wells out pretty good on the Pantera. They def look better than the itty bitty original wheels and tires! The side walls on the original rears look like they belong on a Top Fuel Dragster!

I'm okay with tall sidewalls on Panteras if they are also hella wide. Stick a 335 width tire back there and they look gooooood
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CaminoRacer

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Quote from: Rockraven on February 06, 2019, 04:20:16 PM
:lol:
Well. I haven't seen what you've done, but those big arsed chrome wheels on that Pantera looks awful.

I think a better style might fix your issue. Or something not chrome.

This is mine FWIW. 18 inchers. Some guys run 20s, but 18s are better for autocross due to tire selection and unsprung weight. The 20s fill out the wheel wells more, so they're better for looks.

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Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
I think a better style might fix your issue. Or something not chrome.

This is mine FWIW. 18 inchers. Some guys run 20s, but 18s are better for autocross due to tire selection and unsprung weight. The 20s fill out the wheel wells more, so they're better for looks.



I disagree.
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Payman

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
I think a better style might fix your issue. Or something not chrome.

This is mine FWIW. 18 inchers. Some guys run 20s, but 18s are better for autocross due to tire selection and unsprung weight. The 20s fill out the wheel wells more, so they're better for looks.



I can accept 18s, and your car looks great. Disagree on the 20s for looks. That's just too much rim.

giant_mtb

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
I think a better style might fix your issue. Or something not chrome.

This is mine FWIW. 18 inchers. Some guys run 20s, but 18s are better for autocross due to tire selection and unsprung weight. The 20s fill out the wheel wells more, so they're better for looks.



Goddamn that looks good, man. 

shp4man

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
I think a better style might fix your issue. Or something not chrome.

This is mine FWIW. 18 inchers. Some guys run 20s, but 18s are better for autocross due to tire selection and unsprung weight. The 20s fill out the wheel wells more, so they're better for looks.





Nice. Very nice.  :ohyeah: No rust?

Raza

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
I think a better style might fix your issue. Or something not chrome.

This is mine FWIW. 18 inchers. Some guys run 20s, but 18s are better for autocross due to tire selection and unsprung weight. The 20s fill out the wheel wells more, so they're better for looks.



That looks pretty good, man. Imagine if they'd finished building the car all the way to the back!
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: shp4man on February 06, 2019, 09:37:48 PM
Nice. Very nice.  :ohyeah: No rust?

Don't look underneath :lol:

Quote from: Raza  on February 07, 2019, 08:10:45 AM
That looks pretty good, man. Imagine if they'd finished building the car all the way to the back!

They finished a few of them.

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FoMoJo

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
I think a better style might fix your issue. Or something not chrome.

This is mine FWIW. 18 inchers. Some guys run 20s, but 18s are better for autocross due to tire selection and unsprung weight. The 20s fill out the wheel wells more, so they're better for looks.


It needs flames, big flames.
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"As the saying goes, when you mix science and politics, you get politics."

Raza

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CaminoRacer

Quote from: FoMoJo on February 07, 2019, 04:00:52 PM
It needs flames, big flames.

It has flames. The front side marker light has gloss black pinstripe flames coming off it. Very subtle and I can't find a picture that actually shows them. 
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