New Peugeot 208

[2o6]

I love it. It's clearly a callback to the 205 with respect to shape.



Power comes from a series of 1.2T 3cyl gas engines, or a generic diesel option. The Gas engine has three states of tune; 75HP (5MT), 100HP (6MT, 8AT) or 130HP (8AT)


Also notable is the "e208" which comes with a 50kw/h battery!








https://www.motor1.com/news/306662/2019-peugeot-208-revealed/

[2o6]

Man, some of the detailing and surfacing on the interior is WILD.

[Payman]

Oh man that's fantastic. Not sure about the vertical lights on the front, but otherwise I really like it.

[FoMoJo]

Looks nice.  Curves are always more appealing than crinkles.

[Payman]

I wonder if Peugeot and Citroen are seriously looking at a North American return to fill the void left by Ford/GM/Chrysler abandoning the small car marketplace. There might be somewhat of a keen market for small boutique cars. I know in Canada there is. I'd like to see this come over with a GTI version, with about 160 hp and a manual.

[2o6]

I wonder if Peugeot and Citroen are seriously looking at a North American return to fill the void left by Ford/GM/Chrysler abandoning the small car marketplace. There might be somewhat of a keen market for small boutique cars. I know in Canada there is. I'd like to see this come over with a GTI version, with about 160 hp and a manual.

FWIW, PSA actually just opened a North American office in Atlanta, about a year ago.

[2o6]

I will say that the rear door portal does look kind of tiny.

[12,000 RPM]

The French continually lay to waste the idea that good design is expensive. Renault still has my heart though But this is nice.

[MX793]

The French continually lay to waste the idea that good design is expensive. Renault still has my heart though But this is nice.

I guess if you're going to have thoroughly underwhelming powertrains, you may as well put your effort in design.

[Laconian]

Man, some of the detailing and surfacing on the interior is WILD.

This is a production design?

[2o6]

This is a production design?

Yep. This isn't a concept, this car goes on sale in a few weeks.

[12,000 RPM]

I guess if you're going to have thoroughly underwhelming powertrains, you may as well put your effort in design.

In the EU these powertrains are average. I rented 3 cars during my time there... I don't know if their total HP adds up to the 327 I had in the G. But none of them felt underpowered in traffic, even at my normal ~80-85 MPH cruising speeds.

Only time I wished for more power was the N/A 1.2l Panda in the mountains. Would have been nice to have a turbo, even diesel, at altitude.

Plus we have cars like the Versa, Prius etc. here. Not like the ~120HP 4s in compacts are setting the world on fire

[MX793]

In the EU these powertrains are average. I rented 3 cars during my time there... I don't know if their total HP adds up to the 327 I had in the G. But none of them felt underpowered in traffic, even at my normal ~80-85 MPH cruising speeds.

Only time I wished for more power was the N/A 1.2l Panda in the mountains. Would have been nice to have a turbo, even diesel, at altitude.

Plus we have cars like the Versa, Prius etc. here. Not like the ~120HP 4s in compacts are setting the world on fire

And yet a 140 hp Civic is too slow...

The comment wasn't specific to this car.  Peugeot, and the French automakers in general, put out mediocre engines.  Not entirely their fault, as government regulation in France hugely shaped their approach to power train design.  Taxes on horsepower, taxes on displacement, displacement limits...  Very little incentive to invest much in engines.

[12,000 RPM]

The point is traffic isn't the same everywhere. I could keep up with NYC traffic on a bicycle. I wouldn't dare down here. Different traffic warrants different horsepower levels. In much of the EU ~100HP in a compact is enough.

[2o6]

And yet a 140 hp Civic is too slow...

The comment wasn't specific to this car.  Peugeot, and the French automakers in general, put out mediocre engines.  Not entirely their fault, as government regulation in France hugely shaped their approach to power train design.  Taxes on horsepower, taxes on displacement, displacement limits...  Very little incentive to invest much in engines.

Huh??

The 1.2T is a perfectly fine engine. Also like, aside from maybe the old 1.6L Mini or a Smart car, what experience does anyone really have with French engines? They haven't been sold here in more than two decades.

Not to mention, literally all of their competitors offer engines just as slow!

[2o6]

The point is traffic isn't the same everywhere. I could keep up with NYC traffic on a bicycle. I wouldn't dare down here. Different traffic warrants different horsepower levels. In much of the EU ~100HP in a compact is enough.

Also, what?

[cawimmer430]

Damn, that car looks sweet. Love the inclusion of that lime green color in the digital tachometer! 

Peugeot, and the French automakers in general, put out mediocre engines.

I think that's an old stereotype and it's definitely not true anymore. And actually in the 1970s Peugeot had a reputation for producing great diesel engines that were actually refined than the rather agricultural diesel engines put out by Mercedes-Benz.

My experience with recent French engines is a Citroen DS3 THP155 and a Peugeot 308 GT SW HDI (diesel) with 180-horsepower. I found them both to be incredibly peppy, smooth and fun. The Peugeot 308 GT SW HDI in particular was very impressive. At the time I still owned the BMW and that Peugeot diesel motor was smoother, quieter and obviously more agile than the gasoline-powered 4-cylinder in my BMW.

Drive it first, then criticize. 

[Laconian]

French engines do pretty well given their displacement constraints.

[2o6]

Why are y'all typing as if no other automaker makes small engines with low HP?

[MX793]

Huh??

The 1.2T is a perfectly fine engine. Also like, aside from maybe the old 1.6L Mini or a Smart car, what experience does anyone really have with French engines? They haven't been sold here in more than two decades.

Not to mention, literally all of their competitors offer engines just as slow!

Again, look beyond small cars.  Peugeot and Renault make midsize and large vehicles, no?  What's the most powerful engine that Peugeot offers in a street car?  Name one road-going Peugeot or Renault engine that would be your top choice over anything else of similar size if you were to motor swap a car.

[2o6]

Again, look beyond small cars.  Peugeot and Renault make midsize and large vehicles, no?  What's the most powerful engine that Peugeot offers in a street car?  Name one road-going Peugeot or Renault engine that would be your top choice over anything else of similar size if you were to motor swap a car.

But this thread is about a subcompact hatchback!

[Eye of the Tiger]

French engines do pretty well given their displacement constraints.

So you're saying a 6000# motorhome powered by a 2.2 liter naturally aspirated gasoline inline four from 1992 is not such a bad idea.

[12,000 RPM]

Again, look beyond small cars.  Peugeot and Renault make midsize and large vehicles, no?  What's the most powerful engine that Peugeot offers in a street car?  Name one road-going Peugeot or Renault engine that would be your top choice over anything else of similar size if you were to motor swap a car.

When did this become the criterion?

Large cars aren't popular in France.................................. so they don't invest in them, including the engines. After the break- water? Still wet! An investigative report.

Since you mention it though, the 1.6T & 2.0T in the Renaultsport hatches are pretty good, as is Peugeot's 1.6T. Certainly no worse than the equivalent engines from literally every other mainstream manufacturer

Just say "I don't like French cars" and keep it pushing.

[MX793]

When did this become the criterion?

Large cars aren't popular in France.................................. so they don't invest in them, including the engines. After the break- water? Still wet! An investigative report.

Since you mention it though, the 1.6T & 2.0T in the Renaultsport hatches are pretty good, as is Peugeot's 1.6T. Certainly no worse than the equivalent engines from literally every other mainstream manufacturer

Just say "I don't like French cars" and keep it pushing.

Look up the definition of mediocre.