4Runner Vs. Grand Cherokee

[Lebowski]

I ended up getting neither. Picked up this last night:



I was about a foot or two from crashing into a bear about 10 min away from my house.  They're so oblivious to humans & human activity..or more likely they do notice but are so used to it that they just don't give a shit. One time I saw two just chilling in the middle of the road; I stopped, they didn't move and only did when I just blared on my horn for 20 seconds & finally ran off into the forest.

I do like those too. I wish they sold a Toyota badged version in the US market.

[FoMoJo]

4runner.


Never buy a Chrysler product.

I agree.

[BENZ BOY15]

Congratulations on your new car Benz Boy!  It's interesting you say they're kinda common where you are.  They're not that common around here in the Northeast U.S.  A rare bird sighting here. 

They're not too common where I am in Arrowhead but what I was referring to was just in general when I'm off the mountain. I see a lot more GXs vs. LXs.

[BENZ BOY15]

4runner.


Never buy a Chrysler product.

Yeah that's what people told me. Which is a bummer because when I drove my client's Grand Cherokee , I really liked it.

[BENZ BOY15]

Also, Benz mentioned elsewhere that they're getting a different, more affluent clientele as LA folks leave the city for pandemic palaces. THis car is really good for playing to the image-conscious SoCal crowd.

Yeah it's good for clients and such. It also strikes me as a good value for what you get really & I plan on keeping it a long time too.

[Laconian]

I plan on keeping it a long time too.

It's good you didn't buy the Jeep, then!

[r0tor]

It's good you didn't buy the Jeep, then!

...Mine is 10 years old...

[BENZ BOY15]

It's good you didn't buy the Jeep, then!

I almost did. I spent a little time with a friend the other week up in Big Bear and he said he'd never talk to me again if I got one. He was joking but he felt pretty strongly about it and I finally listened to him. He's a lot more mechanically and practically inclined than I am.

[Morris Minor]

From Wikipedia below.
"All GX production has occurred at the Tahara plant in Japan, alongside the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado and the export-minded Toyota 4Runner. Both generations of the GX have been heavily based on the Prado and 4Runner, with updated frontal styling to better integrate with the Lexus lineup "

So the GX, Prado, and 4Runner, all three, are all on the same bones?  I'd thought the 4Runner was older and clunker.

[MrH]

From Wikipedia below.
"All GX production has occurred at the Tahara plant in Japan, alongside the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado and the export-minded Toyota 4Runner. Both generations of the GX have been heavily based on the Prado and 4Runner, with updated frontal styling to better integrate with the Lexus lineup "

So the GX, Prado, and 4Runner, all three, are all on the same bones?  I'd thought the 4Runner was older and clunker.

All three are on the same body on frame platform.

[r0tor]

Nothing like being suckered into mega $$$ for a 20 year old design

[MrH]

Nothing like being suckered into mega $$$ for a 20 year old design

[Lebowski]

Considering the Toyotas of 20 years ago are still superior to Chrysler's of today I don't really see what his point is.

[r0tor]

Considering the Toyotas of 20 years ago are still superior to Chrysler's of today I don't really see what his point is.

No what way?  Worse engine, transmission, chassis, interior design, room, and fuel economy?

[Lebowski]

No what way?  Worse engine, transmission, chassis, interior design, room, and fuel economy?

Build quality, reliability, resale value, and looks.  It's been awhile since I've been in a JGC but I believe you are wrong as far as interior design and room I remember them being quite cramped inside by comparison.

[Soup DeVille]

No what way?  Worse engine, transmission, chassis, interior design, room, and fuel economy?

New ones are pretty comparable, and more or less down to subjective preferences; unless one really needs one of the higher powered Jeeps, or a three row Toyota.

At 10 years old? Toyota is the clear winner.

At 20 it becomes a question mark again, as the Jeep will have had most of its big parts replaced by that point.

[r0tor]

Build quality, reliability, resale value, and looks.  It's been awhile since I've been in a JGC but I believe you are wrong as far as interior design and room I remember them being quite cramped inside by comparison.

Compared to the JGC, the 4Runner has 6" less legroom in the 2nd row.  That's massive   It also looks like crap compared to the JGC... That's subjective, but it severely shows it's 15year old roots.

The 4Runner has less power and less fuel mileage thanks to it's ancient power train.  It rides and handles substantially worse thanks to it's suspension and chassis.  Maybe it has a slight advantage off-road with a solid rear axel - I don't think you are going to find evidence of a 4Runner going any further than a Trailhawk can go though. 

You can also get JGC cheaper than a 4Runner or with substantially more performance if that's your thing. 

[CaminoRacer]

I would love to buy brand new versions of many 20 year old cars.

I would buy a brand new 2001 Cherokee, Integra, Civic, etc

[MX793]

...Mine is 10 years old...

Have you forgotten?

https://www.carspin.club/index.php?topic=31305.msg2083223#msg2083223

4 years old... Blown shock replaced a few months ago - took 2 weeks to find a shock due to availability.  Something intermittent in the brake system is going wrong.  Half, yes half, the engine has an extended warranty because engines are popping left and right... Coworker just had his done.  More recalls then I can keep track of - and of course Chrysler won't offer any rental to fix them so its always up to you to make it work.

Fuck chrysler

[Lebowski]

Compared to the JGC, the 4Runner has 6" less legroom in the 2nd row.  That's massive   It also looks like crap compared to the JGC... That's subjective, but it severely shows it's 15year old roots.

The 4Runner has less power and less fuel mileage thanks to it's ancient power train.  It rides and handles substantially worse thanks to it's suspension and chassis.  Maybe it has a slight advantage off-road with a solid rear axel - I don't think you are going to find evidence of a 4Runner going any further than a Trailhawk can go though.

You can also get JGC cheaper than a 4Runner or with substantially more performance if that's your thing. 

Well, IMO SUVs in general looked better 15-20 yrs ago than today so I don't see the older styling as a negative. IMO JGCs don't look very good when new and age horribly in terms of looks. 4runners in contrast only look better with age as each successive generation is worse looking than the last (but still look pretty good compared to the alternatives).

4runner has more than enough rear legroom for my needs so I don't see adding to this dimension as a big plus for me. It has significantly more cargo volume than the JGC. I don't care all that much about power or gas mileage in an SUV.  An updated powertrain would be nice but I really don't care all that much.

At the end of the day, if gas mileage and on road refinement were higher priorities for me and I was ok with the smaller cargo volume of the JGC, I'd buy a CRV over a JGC all day long.  It Toyota stopped making the 4runner tomorrow, I still wouldn't buy a JGC over the remaining choices. As I said before - I'd never buy a Chrysler.

[Soup DeVille]

Compared to the JGC, the 4Runner has 6" less legroom in the 2nd row.  That's massive   It also looks like crap compared to the JGC... That's subjective, but it severely shows it's 15year old roots.

The 4Runner has less power and less fuel mileage thanks to it's ancient power train.  It rides and handles substantially worse thanks to it's suspension and chassis.  Maybe it has a slight advantage off-road with a solid rear axel - I don't think you are going to find evidence of a 4Runner going any further than a Trailhawk can go though. 

You can also get JGC cheaper than a 4Runner or with substantially more performance if that's your thing. 

It has less legroom in the rear; when equipped with a third row, which isn't available in the GC at any price.

[Soup DeVille]

I would love to buy brand new versions of many 20 year old cars.

I would buy a brand new 2001 Cherokee, Integra, Civic, etc

So would I.

It seems more and more that there was a peak of sorts in the early 2000s and late '90s.

[MrH]

Have you forgotten?

https://www.carspin.club/index.php?topic=31305.msg2083223#msg2083223

!

[r0tor]

Have you forgotten?

https://www.carspin.club/index.php?topic=31305.msg2083223#msg2083223

Ironically, it's been perfect for the 6 years ever since.  It should also be noted my JGC is among the first built on the WK2 platform. 

My father's is a few years newer and has been flawless.  His 4Runner he sold it from never found a set of rear brake rotors it wouldn't warp and the 4WD actuator repeatedly got stuck and would fail to engage.

[Lebowski]

Fuck chrysler

This might be the most intelligent thing you've ever said.

[Morris Minor]

...I'd buy a CRV over a JGC all day long. 

The CR-V's DI 1.5T is the turd in the punchbowl of an otherwise decent CUV.

[Raza]

I ended up getting neither. Picked up this last night:



I was about a foot or two from crashing into a bear about 10 min away from my house.  They're so oblivious to humans & human activity..or more likely they do notice but are so used to it that they just don't give a shit. One time I saw two just chilling in the middle of the road; I stopped, they didn't move and only did when I just blared on my horn for 20 seconds & finally ran off into the forest.

Looks nice. What is it? All these SUVs look the same to me.

[BENZ BOY15]

GX460

[BENZ BOY15]

I've barely even driven it, been out of town for two weeks. Can't wait to get back.

It's also supposed to snow (lightly) this upcoming weekend so we'll see how it does if the snow ends up being heavier than expected. Rarely is it what they forecast.

[FoMoJo]

I've barely even driven it, been out of town for two weeks. Can't wait to get back.

It's also supposed to snow (lightly) this upcoming weekend so we'll see how it does if the snow ends up being heavier than expected. Rarely is it what they forecast.

Hopefully you have snow tires.