Lexus IS500

[omicron]

I expected a shitstorm after what I said...it's still early I guess.

:)

But you said precisely the right thing.    

[Raza]

Wow, I thought the electronic nannies on the 3-series could be fully turned off!

They can.


I guess 'killed' is a better term to use than 'crippled'  

Try driving with them off...

Did it today.

The only somewhat interesting thing that happened was that I floored it going around 5MPH in first gear and I got some wheelspin. I haven't been able to do anything involving turns yet and seeing how it responds with DSC off. I'm being cautious about it because I've never driven a RWD car without DSC and my driving habits often prompt DSC to intervene when I make a sharp turn.

In dry situations, the DSC does more harm than good.  When I had the E320 I ran ESP off at all times, except in rain, and intermittently in snow.  When I drove with it on, I had trouble with it interfering when making turns, and slowing me down.

I also still say that in the Passat, having ASR off saved my life when I almost got into that accident in the rain.  The brakes clearly wouldn't stop me in time, so I had to use the gas to avoid the car in front of me and the one behind me, and the ones in the oncoming lanes...in the wet, ASR would have stopped the wheels from spinning, kept my back end in line, and not allowed me to evade all those cars.  

[Raza]

I expected a shitstorm after what I said...it's still early I guess.

:)

But you said precisely the right thing.  

I have a history saying controversial things...

:P  

[omicron]

I expected a shitstorm after what I said...it's still early I guess.

:)

But you said precisely the right thing.  

I have a history saying controversial things...

:P

In celebration of stirring shit, then, I would suggest that Pontiac, Lexus and BMW can shove their obsessive pursuit of brand image, personality and differentiation.  

[Raza]

I expected a shitstorm after what I said...it's still early I guess.

:)

But you said precisely the right thing.  

I have a history saying controversial things...

:P

In celebration of stirring shit, then, I would suggest that Pontiac, Lexus and BMW can shove their obsessive pursuit of brand image, personality and differentiation.

I think BMW has lost much of the personality they once had, and Lexus never had any, and have never been apologetic about it.  

[omicron]

I expected a shitstorm after what I said...it's still early I guess.

:)

But you said precisely the right thing.  

I have a history saying controversial things...

:P

In celebration of stirring shit, then, I would suggest that Pontiac, Lexus and BMW can shove their obsessive pursuit of brand image, personality and differentiation.

I think BMW has lost much of the personality they once had, and Lexus never had any, and have never been apologetic about it.

BMW marketers would probably reel back in horror. You can see their key words bursting into their heads right now: 'but we're EDGY and MODERN and CUTTING EDGE and DETERMINED and FOCUSED and PURE and DYNAMIC and......'

   

[Raza]

I expected a shitstorm after what I said...it's still early I guess.

:)

But you said precisely the right thing.  

I have a history saying controversial things...

:P

In celebration of stirring shit, then, I would suggest that Pontiac, Lexus and BMW can shove their obsessive pursuit of brand image, personality and differentiation.

I think BMW has lost much of the personality they once had, and Lexus never had any, and have never been apologetic about it.

BMW marketers would probably reel back in horror. You can see their key words bursting into their heads right now: 'but we're EDGY and MODERN and CUTTING EDGE and DETERMINED and FOCUSED and PURE and DYNAMIC and......'

 

Ultimate!

I never did claim to work in marketing, but the BMW's newfound reliance on technology has pushed me away--the 330i is the perfect car for me, but with the lack of personality (and a limited slip differential) I feel as though I cannot claim to be a lover of cars and own a new model BMW.

[omicron]

I expected a shitstorm after what I said...it's still early I guess.

:)

But you said precisely the right thing.  

I have a history saying controversial things...

:P

In celebration of stirring shit, then, I would suggest that Pontiac, Lexus and BMW can shove their obsessive pursuit of brand image, personality and differentiation.

I think BMW has lost much of the personality they once had, and Lexus never had any, and have never been apologetic about it.

BMW marketers would probably reel back in horror. You can see their key words bursting into their heads right now: 'but we're EDGY and MODERN and CUTTING EDGE and DETERMINED and FOCUSED and PURE and DYNAMIC and......'

 

Ultimate!

I never did claim to work in marketing, but the BMW's newfound reliance on technology has pushed me away--the 330i is the perfect car for me, but with the lack of personality (and a limited slip differential) I feel as though I cannot claim to be a lover of cars and own a new model BMW.

Therein lies the trouble with attempting to create a brand personality - it fits only one exact type of person.  

[Raza]

Brand personality is a marketing technique--I'm talking about cars with personality.  These new things with all the computers are protecting their investment, not making it better to drive.

[omicron]

Brand personality is a marketing technique--I'm talking about cars with personality.  These new things with all the computers are protecting their investment, not making it better to drive.

Exactly.

BMW! You make CARS not ADS. Stop trying to make your cars like your advertisements - emotionless, clinical and forgettable.  

[TBR]

Raza, I am afraid that Porsche is in it just to make money too... Have you already forgotten about the Cayenne? What about the upcoming Panamerica? They are both there to make money, throwing Porsche tradition aside for profit.

I mean, how can you look at a Porsche options price list and not think they are in it to make money? :D

All that said, it is still the best car company in the world imho.  

[Raghavan]

Besides Lotus, every other car company is trying to make the max amount of money possible... Not Lotus though... They don't have to either because they're not an independent company.

[850CSi]

I turned DSC off again today except this time I threw some sharp turns into the equation and had way too much fun. It's ridiculously easy to get the ass to come out.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I turned DSC off again today except this time I threw some sharp turns into the equation and had way too much fun. It's ridiculously easy to get the ass to come out.

were are you located at 850??


Maybe you should swing over and let me take your 325 off your hands for a few days, i would like a extended test drive, maybe it will sway me away from the infiniti(the biggest competitor IMO).

[Raghavan]

That's why i want RWD. Drifting is so fun.

[JYODER240]

That's why i want RWD. Drifting is so fun.

Have you ever "drifted" a car?

[850CSi]

I turned DSC off again today except this time I threw some sharp turns into the equation and had way too much fun. It's ridiculously easy to get the ass to come out.

were are you located at 850??


Maybe you should swing over and let me take your 325 off your hands for a few days, i would like a extended test drive, maybe it will sway me away from the infiniti(the biggest competitor IMO).

Chicago.  

And the answer is no. I'm too busy drifting.      

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I turned DSC off again today except this time I threw some sharp turns into the equation and had way too much fun. It's ridiculously easy to get the ass to come out.

were are you located at 850??


Maybe you should swing over and let me take your 325 off your hands for a few days, i would like a extended test drive, maybe it will sway me away from the infiniti(the biggest competitor IMO).

Chicago.  

And the answer is no. I'm too busy drifting.    

typical bmw snob.

i mean sob.... :D


Hey, if you come by i'll let you drive a real car.

[Raghavan]

That's why i want RWD. Drifting is so fun.

Have you ever "drifted" a car?

Does in a parking lot count?
I did it in one. It was super fun.

[850CSi]

I turned DSC off again today except this time I threw some sharp turns into the equation and had way too much fun. It's ridiculously easy to get the ass to come out.

were are you located at 850??


Maybe you should swing over and let me take your 325 off your hands for a few days, i would like a extended test drive, maybe it will sway me away from the infiniti(the biggest competitor IMO).

Chicago.  

And the answer is no. I'm too busy drifting.    

typical bmw snob.

i mean sob.... :D


Hey, if you come by i'll let you drive a real car.

 

[MrH]

I don't think Rag is even 16 yet.

And some of you guys are the most pretentious, arrogant, "holier than thou" ass holes I've ever heard.  Seriously, look back at some of the shit you guys wrote in this thread.

Get off your high horse.

[Raghavan]

I don't think Rag is even 16 yet.

And some of you guys are the most pretentious, arrogant, "holier than thou" ass holes I've ever heard.  Seriously, look back at some of the shit you guys wrote in this thread.

Get off your high horse.

I'm 17 dude.
And considering the fact that i've posted like 5 times in this thread, i can safely say your second part of the post doesn't apply to me.  

[omicron]

I don't think Rag is even 16 yet.

And some of you guys are the most pretentious, arrogant, "holier than thou" ass holes I've ever heard.  Seriously, look back at some of the shit you guys wrote in this thread.

Get off your high horse.

*climbs off of high horse*



I still say that most car manufacturers market their brands relatively poorly.

[Raza]

Spinning out isn't drifting.  

And what chance is there that I'll get off my high horse?  You know me better than that, H.

[cawimmer430]

I don't think Rag is even 16 yet.

And some of you guys are the most pretentious, arrogant, "holier than thou" ass holes I've ever heard.  Seriously, look back at some of the shit you guys wrote in this thread.

Get off your high horse.

I'm 17 dude.
And considering the fact that i've posted like 5 times in this thread, i can safely say your second part of the post doesn't apply to me.

On C&D you told me that you were 13.  :blink: