New VW Jetta

[Catman]

This weekend I saw two Jetta's on the road, the first I've seen outside the net.  I will say that I was much more impressed than I was when I saw the first pics.  It doesn't look as long in real life.  It's not tremendous or anything but certainly not as disappointing as I thought.  It will definately need some clear mask over that grill chrome though.
 

[Fire It Up]

Yeah, I've seen a few of those, and theire good-looking, but theres something about it that should be changed, yet I cant put my finger on it... And have you noticed this?

[SJ_GTI]

They are very popular here in Montreal. I see several per day just commuting to/from work. I think they look great in person, though they are rather large. I think they are about the same size as my A4 now (maybe this is a good thing for Jetta buyers though).

[Raghavan]

rear over hang is ghastly...

[TBR]

I guess they look okay, but my real problem with them is their high price and poor performance.

[pnwbeers]

I agree that they look much better in person than in pictures.  When the diesel and turbo models are released, I'll take a more serious look.

[Raza]

I don't mind them.  They're just too expensive.  Unless VW is planning to slot a new model below the Jetta, they're moving too far upmarket with this car.

[ifcar]

Yeah, I've seen a few of those, and theire good-looking, but theres something about it that should be changed, yet I cant put my finger on it... And have you noticed this?

Approximately everyone has noticed and mentioned that.    

[ifcar]

As to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.  

[mazda6er]

As to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.

I don't know about sportier. The previous version was certainly sportier than a Corolla, but I'm not sure that's still true.  

[ifcar]

As to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.

I don't know about sportier. The previous version was certainly sportier than a Corolla, but I'm not sure that's still true.

The Jetta has better steering feedback, but that's about it.  

[BMWDave]

As to the car, it seems nice enough, like a Corolla but a tad more refined and sportier. But at the prices that they're asking, anyone who looks at what other vehicles can be had for the same price will probably end up in another vehicle.

Seriously, who here would chose the Jetta over the TSX, A4, or 9-3? A Mazda3 or a Corolla are similar cars for much less.

That very much sums it up.  VW should have priced it a lot more competitively.

[Catman]

Yeah, the price is not competitive at all.    

[Raghavan]

price is also ghastly...

[SJ_GTI]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

[SJ_GTI]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

[BMWDave]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

no, but like mtl said, if you're gonna get a frontrak, you might as well get a passat. it's also a disgrace because audi's known for their quattro.

[ifcar]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.  

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

[ifcar]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.    

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  

you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.

[BMWDave]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  

you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.

Why the intense hatred?

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  

you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.

Why the intense hatred?

cos it's not balanced.

[ifcar]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  

you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.

It was so obviously a joke, that a " " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o  

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  

you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.

It was so obviously a joke, that a " " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o

i got flamed when i made a joke and didn't put a smiley on it. Dave was pretty pissed, even though i told ihim that it was a joke over and over.

[BMWDave]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  

you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.

It was so obviously a joke, that a " " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o

i got flamed when i made a joke and didn't put a smiley on it. Dave was pretty pissed, even though i told ihim that it was a joke over and over.

Now you are changing the story...you said all LR's a junk and unreliable, and I flamed you for that.  Then you said it was a joke, and there was a personal war, but once you said it was a "joke" albeit a bad one, I knew what your intention was.

[Raghavan]

I am not thrilled by the current version, but when the GLI is released I would expect that I could choose it over a TSX, 9-2X, or a few others (like the Accord, Camary, Etc...). I would take a 9-3 or A4 over a Jetta, but then they are priced higher when similarly equipped. I would probably take a loaded Jetta GLI over a totally stripped A4 Frontrak with no options for now that I think about it though.

getting a frontrak is a disgrace...

Disgrace might be a little harsh, but I agree it takes away the point of buying an Audi. At that point you may as well get the Passat and save your money.

exactly. and it's a disgrace because audi is know for their excellent quattro.

Hell, if a guy wants FWD its not a disgrace.  Is every Acura sold a disgrace??

In the mind of someone who thinks that front-wheel-drive is inherently bad in all ways and should be phased out of all vehicles ASAP, with cost not an object, yes.

i told you before that i wanted a CRX, which is FWD...

I didn't think that a smilie was really necessary to convey what post was intended to be.  

you were obviously referring to me, as i'm the only one here who has an intense hatred of FWD.

It was so obviously a joke, that a " " smilie would have been overkill. But I suppose next time I'll have to keep your intellect in mind when posting.  :o

i got flamed when i made a joke and didn't put a smiley on it. Dave was pretty pissed, even though i told ihim that it was a joke over and over.

Now you are changing the story...you said all LR's a junk and unreliable, and I flamed you for that.  Then you said it was a joke, and there was a personal war, but once you said it was a "joke" albeit a bad one, I knew what your intention was.

but you didn't understand it was a joke for a while.