Acura bringing two Type-S's

[SJ_GTI]

PS. I am not sure why everyone is down on the idea of a CSX-S. It will, in all liklihood, be a better car than the RSX-S. And the RSX-S was a very nice car. I would take an RSX-S over the Mustang GT. Actually my GTI isn't all that different of a situation. I could have afforded a very well-equipped Mustang GT for what I paid for my GTI, but its just not the type of car I wanted.

[sandertheshark]

PS. I am not sure why everyone is down on the idea of a CSX-S. It will, in all liklihood, be a better car than the RSX-S. And the RSX-S was a very nice car. I would take an RSX-S over the Mustang GT. Actually my GTI isn't all that different of a situation. I could have afforded a very well-equipped Mustang GT for what I paid for my GTI, but its just not the type of car I wanted.

I don't think anyone will have a hard time deciding between a RWD V8 pony car and a FWD 4cyl from an entry-lux import brand.  They are very different cars to be shopping for.

[Raza]

I don't think anyone will have a hard time deciding between a RWD V8 pony car and a FWD 4cyl from an entry-lux import brand.  They are very different cars to be shopping for.

I'm having trouble deciding.

[sandertheshark]

I'm having trouble deciding.

[red_shift]

Actually I will admit that the Civic I drove had a decent enough steering and handling for it's class.  Smaller and lighter cars are better FWDers than bigger ones.

[ro51092]

How similar is the pricing between the CSX and the Accord V6?

If they are similar, then the CSX gets a huge 

and, how much is the BMW 323? (I'm just wondering)

[93JC]

Accord EX-V6: $34,200
CSX Type S: $34,680
323i: $35,600
Accord EX-V6 Navi: $36,700

[Raza]

323i for me.

[ro51092]

Accord EX-V6: $34,200
CSX Type S: $34,680
323i: $35,600
Accord EX-V6 Navi: $36,700

Wow, thats a no-brainer.

Why wouldn't you go for a 323i?

[sandertheshark]

Accord EX-V6: $34,200
CSX Type S: $34,680
323i: $35,600
Accord EX-V6 Navi: $36,700

How in the hell does Honda even sell cars in Canada?

[Vinsanity]

Wow, thats a no-brainer.

Why wouldn't you go for a 323i?

interior room, power (how much power does a 323 make anyway? the 328 already makes less than the V6 Accord)

[Raza]

interior room, power (how much power does a 323 make anyway? the 328 already makes less than the V6 Accord)

323i has 200bhp, but does 0-100km/h in 7.4 seconds, so it's not slouch.  But if you're all about drag racing run-of-the-mill family sedans, you won't be shopping BMW anyway.

[ro51092]

323 makes 200 hp.

It also is light as hell, which makes it quick, very quick (I would say 0-60 in about 6.5? on par with a V-6 Accord)

It has great balance, handling is legendary, and the engineering is impeccable. I see no reason to settle for the Hondas.

[ro51092]

323i has 200bhp, but does 0-100km/h in 7.4 seconds, so it's not slouch.  But if you're all about drag racing run-of-the-mill family sedans, you won't be shopping BMW anyway.

BMW is always off on their 0-60 times, by a lot. They say that the 335i sedan should do 0-60 in 5.7 seconds

There is NO WAY that a 300 hp/300 lb-ft inline six, small, 3600 lb car can do 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. The 335 can easily break the 5-second barrier (I would be guessing even 4.6 seconds, Edmunds' acceleration times are notoriously slow, and they clocked an automatic coupe at 4.8 seconds).

So, when BMW says that the 323i can do 0-60 in 7.4, it usually means 6.5 or so.

Secondly, the BMW has a lighter powertrain than the Honda, and a smaller body, and a better chassis (duh..), so a 230hp 328i can easily outrun a 240hp Accord.

Let me just sum this up. Using weight and balancing, BMW can make a car with a smaller (yet unbelievably good, and superior to most) engine hang on to most cars with bigger engines. Remembering that BMW's aren't made for straight-line speed makes this sound even better.
BMW engines=

[SJ_GTI]

I like the idea of the 323i. Does it use a 2.5L inline 6? Or the 3.0L?

I'm surprised they don't sell that version in the US...200 HP would be more than enough for most Americans.

[omicron]

Accord EX-V6: $34,200
CSX Type S: $34,680
323i: $35,600
Accord EX-V6 Navi: $36,700

Focus XR5 Turbo: $35,990
Integra Type-S: $42,990
Accord Seppo V6 Luxury: $44,990
Commodore SS V8: $44,990
BMW 323i: $64,800 *cough*

[93JC]

Focus XR5 Turbo: $35,990
Integra Type-S: $42,990
Accord Seppo V6 Luxury: $44,990
Commodore SS V8: $44,990
BMW 323i: $64,800 *cough*

Accord Seppo

[93JC]

I like the idea of the 323i. Does it use a 2.5L inline 6? Or the 3.0L?

2.5

[omicron]

[TheIntrepid]

Toyota Camry XLE V6 - $37,954
Honda Accord EX-V6 - $34,200
Nissan Altima SE-R - $36,594
1995 Ford Taurus LX - $300

[TurboDan]

2.5

Then why isn't it a 325?   

Anywho, people will buy the Acura because of the reliability factor.  I've driven an RSX before - it's not bad, and I would buy one if I was presented with a good enough deal.  That said, if there was a 3er for the same price (within $2-3K) there would be no way I'd choose the Acura over it.  BMW is safer, better handling, and is simply a more exciting vehicle.  But, Honda HAS built a reputation for rock solid reliability, so getting an RSX for alot of people is a compromise between sportiness, looks, and reliability.  It represents a decent mix of all three.

I'd be afraid to buy an RSX used, though.  Teenagers and college kids beat the shit out of them.  I know I was about the only one out of my college friends to get regular oil changes every 3K religiously.

[93JC]

Then why isn't it a 325?? ?

Why did the 320i have a 2.2 L engine? Why did the 318i have a 2.0 L? Why does the 328i have a 3.0 L? Why does the Benz C230 have a 2.5 L? Why does the ML350 have a 3.7? Why does the C280 have a 3.0?

Those questions are pretty deep, philosophical ones, man... up there with "Why does I can't believ it's not butter taste like margerine?"

[sandertheshark]

Why is the 323i more powerful than the 325i?  The 750i and 550i have a 4.8L engine...  It makes no sense.  I think the Germans are deliberately trying to confuse us with extra-complicated abstract math.

[ro51092]

There isn't a 325 anymore.

But the old 325 was more powerful (200 hp vs. 215 in the 325)

[sandertheshark]

There isn't a 325 anymore.

But the old 325 was more powerful (200 hp vs. 215 in the 325)

They're still selling a 187hp 325Ci convertible.  As an '07 model.

[TBR]

Why did the 320i have a 2.2 L engine? Why did the 318i have a 2.0 L? Why does the 328i have a 3.0 L? Why does the Benz C230 have a 2.5 L? Why does the ML350 have a 3.7? Why does the C280 have a 3.0?

Those questions are pretty deep, philosophical ones, man... up there with "Why does I can't believ it's not butter taste like margerine?"

The ML350 now has a 3.5

[Raza]

I like the idea of the 323i. Does it use a 2.5L inline 6? Or the 3.0L?

I'm surprised they don't sell that version in the US...200 HP would be more than enough for most Americans.

I might even buy one of those.

[ro51092]

They're still selling a 187hp 325Ci convertible.  As an '07 model.

It's a lame duck. It's the E46's last leg. The E46 should be gone any day now, since the E93 has been released already.