IFCAR Comparison: Inexpensive Family Sedans

[ifcar]

Yeah, it's hard as a rock and there isn't much headroom.

Driver's seat is awesome though.

I found it too lumpy. But you can't argue a subjective like that.

[ifcar]

It may not be the best interior out of the bunch, but it has the best engine!

The NA 3.8-liter?

[93JC]

I found it too lumpy. But you can't argue a subjective like that.

... then why'd you count it against the Grand Prix?

[SaltyDog]

The NA 3.8-liter?

Oh, the S/C was not included.  But I would say it's the best of the bunch.  The Duratec is close, but not as fun to drive.  By the way, just a typo, you have the Malibu's 3.5 listed as an I4.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Oh, the S/C was not included.? But I would say it's the best of the bunch.? The Duratec is close, but not as fun to drive.? By the way, just a typo, you have the Malibu's 3.5 listed as an I4.

A 3.5-liter I-4 would be awesome. What's the biggest I-4 made nowadays, 2.5 Nissan er sumthin?

[SaltyDog]

A 3.5-liter I-4 would be awesome. What's the biggest I-4 made nowadays, 2.5 Nissan er sumthin?

Maybe the Colorado's 2.9.

[ro51092]

A 3.5-liter I-4 would be awesome. What's the biggest I-4 made nowadays, 2.5 Nissan er sumthin?

Porsche had a 3.0L in the 968.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I want a Colorado now.

[ifcar]

... then why'd you count it against the Grand Prix?

You can't ignore something just because someone else might feel differently. But even if I'd loved the seats, it wouldn't have changed anything in the rankings.

[ifcar]

Oh, the S/C was not included.  But I would say it's the best of the bunch.  The Duratec is close, but not as fun to drive.  By the way, just a typo, you have the Malibu's 3.5 listed as an I4.

I'd say the upgraded GM 3.5-liter is better than the 3.8, as is the Hyundai 3.3 (unless it fails to hold up well).

I'll fix the Malibu.

[etypeJohn]

A 3.5-liter I-4 would be awesome. What's the biggest I-4 made nowadays, 2.5 Nissan er sumthin?

I think there is a practical limit for inline 4's.  Can't remember if the constraint is vibration or diminishing returns to scale regarding output vs. displacement. 

[Eye of the Tiger]

I think there is a practical limit for inline 4's.? Can't remember if the constraint is vibration or diminishing returns to scale regarding output vs. displacement.?

I'm sure the vibration gets pretty horrible... which is why I'd rather have a 2.0L V-12!  

[TheIntrepid]

3.5 V6 > 2.0 V12

[Eye of the Tiger]

3.5 V6 > 2.0 V12

No.

[Raza]

Four cylinders should all be around 2 liters. 

Personally, when I think of the Boxster's 3.4L H6, I think it's huge.  But boxers are different from V engines, so I probably can't compare them on the same scale.

[NomisR]

Rotary! 

[Raghavan]

There was a Caterham or Lotus with a 2.0L V8. I want one.
Or you could just stick two 1 liter superbike engines together and get a 2 liter V8. 350 + hp, ~ 180-200 lbs/ft torque, 12,000 RPM.

[Eye of the Tiger]

There was a Caterham or Lotus with a 2.0L V8. I want one.
Or you could just stick two 1 liter superbike engines together and get a 2 liter V8. 350 + hp, ~ 180-200 lbs/ft torque, 12,000 RPM.

That's what I'm talkin bout sucka, damn 2.0L V-12 revving to 15,000 RPMS, how sick would that be!?

[Raghavan]

That's what I'm talkin bout sucka, damn 2.0L V-12 revving to 15,000 RPMS, how sick would that be!?

That's kind of too small...

[Eye of the Tiger]

That's kind of too small...

I could make one out of a shoebox, some popsicle sticks, and some cheese wheels.

[heelntoe]

There was a Caterham or Lotus with a 2.0L V8. I want one.
Or you could just stick two 1 liter superbike engines together and get a 2 liter V8. 350 + hp, ~ 180-200 lbs/ft torque, 12,000 RPM.

some company makes a V8 with two 'busa engines on the came crank.