The Official Mustang Thread

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Got your attention, did it?

I like this review better...2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Review: This Changes Everything

LOL! C8 Z06 will slay it soon enough!

[FoMoJo]

LOL! C8 Z06 will slay it soon enough!

Maybe the C8.R.  Be pretty close though .

[MrH]

I don't understand who would buy this?

I could get a really fast mustang...or a 911???  That's the easiest decision ever.

[FoMoJo]

I don't understand who would buy this?

I could get a really fast mustang...or a 911???  That's the easiest decision ever.

That's okay.  Some wouldn't understand your choice either.

[GoCougs]

I don't understand who would buy this?

I could get a really fast mustang...or a 911???  That's the easiest decision ever.

ZL1 and Hellcat-esque $65k is a steal but $100k is big $$$. Ford I'm sure realizes this, and likely doesn't plan on selling many.

[CaminoRacer]

There's enough rich rednecks who will want the top of the line bragging rights and would never even consider a 911. I'm sure they'll sell a decent amount.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I don't understand who would buy this?

I could get a really fast mustang...or a 911???  That's the easiest decision ever.

Not everyone wants an overpriced Nazi mobile.

[Xer0]

I don't understand who would buy this?

I could get a really fast mustang...or a 911???  That's the easiest decision ever.

+1

I don't get this car and I don't think it'll be that popular tbh.  Seems expensive, incredibly heavy, doesn't seem like its as fast as it should be, and will probably still be slower around a track than a Zl1/Corvette.  It looks cool and properly mean, but just feels like it'll be stuck in a weird no-mans land where it won't be the fun brute that something like the Hellcat or Demon is but also won't be the track rat that a ZL1, 1LE, or even GT350 is while being more expensive than all of them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, is give me a GT350 and call it a day.

[12,000 RPM]

I don't understand who would buy this?

I could get a really fast mustang...or a 911???  That's the easiest decision ever.

Evora GT too

If these had a back seat I'd call it a fair fight but I couldn't do a 4200lb 2 seater that can't tow a 5 digit load on principle

It's a real achievement on Ford's part though

[r0tor]

Yea... I'm not sure about this thing.  If I want a track car, it's going to be a hell of a lot lighter then this thing.  If I want a drag racer - I'd  just build one.  If I had $100k to spend on a car, I wouldn't be going to a Ford dealer.

[CaminoRacer]

Thing is, none of you buy normal Mustangs either. So y'all ain't the target market...

[giant_mtb]

The base price is $74k, folks. Not $100k.

[12,000 RPM]

Thing is, none of you buy normal Mustangs either. So y'all ain't the target market...

Rule zero of car forums... we have to be allowed to discuss cars we don't own/buy

And I don't think this is targeted as an upgrade for someone's $25K EB. It's an $80-100K car so it has to be compared against other $80-100K cars. What do you think an $80-100K C8 will be like?

[FoMoJo]

I like this one... It's a 4,000-pound rhino in tennis shoes.

[RomanChariot]

Evora GT too

If these had a back seat I'd call it a fair fight but I couldn't do a 4200lb 2 seater that can't tow a 5 digit load on principle

It's a real achievement on Ford's part though

Well then, Ford has exactly one model of truck that fits your specs. I hope you don't mind a 2 wheel drive XL stripper model without any fuel in the tank:)

[12,000 RPM]

You can still get a regular cab + regular bed in XLT trim with a few engine options. Whether a dealer will actually have one in stock or take the order is another question but I just built one on the Ford website

[MX793]

Lots of power, but the GT500 has never really done much for me.  The early S197 GT500s seemed pretty cool, then you realize they are horribly under-tired, heavy, and poorly balanced.  They're a car for bench racers and Shelby fans.  I feel similarly about the various uber-Mopars (Hellcats and Demons and such).  Base Mustang GT with the performance pack is the sweet spot for the line, IMO.

[GoCougs]

I like this one... It's a 4,000-pound rhino in tennis shoes.

4,200 lb rhino, that is . But nice write up though a bit enthusiastic at spots.

[RomanChariot]

You can still get a regular cab + regular bed in XLT trim with a few engine options. Whether a dealer will actually have one in stock or take the order is another question but I just built one on the Ford website

The only regular cab, regular bed that will pull 10,000 pounds has the 5.0L V8 and 2 wheel drive. The base weight is 4253 pounds. I would assume that is the XL model. Everything else goes up in weight from there. The upside is you will probably be able to seat 3 instead of 2 with the bench seat.

[12,000 RPM]

The only regular cab, regular bed that will pull 10,000 pounds has the 5.0L V8 and 2 wheel drive. The base weight is 4253 pounds. I would assume that is the XL model. Everything else goes up in weight from there. The upside is you will probably be able to seat 3 instead of 2 with the bench seat.

OK, I change my statement to whatever the XLT I built can tow. Point still stands

[FoMoJo]

4,200 lb rhino, that is . But nice write up though a bit enthusiastic at spots.

We'll see what some of the track times are.

[565]

+1

I don't get this car and I don't think it'll be that popular tbh.  Seems expensive, incredibly heavy, doesn't seem like its as fast as it should be, and will probably still be slower around a track than a Zl1/Corvette.  It looks cool and properly mean, but just feels like it'll be stuck in a weird no-mans land where it won't be the fun brute that something like the Hellcat or Demon is but also won't be the track rat that a ZL1, 1LE, or even GT350 is while being more expensive than all of them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, is give me a GT350 and call it a day.

Agreed.  This GT500, like all the previous GT500s before it except for the original, misses the mark.

Not a single one has been collectible like their owners were hoping for.

[FoMoJo]

Agreed.  This GT500, like all the previously GT500s before it except for the original, misses the mark.

Not a single one has been collectible like their owners were hoping for.

Might be collectible in 50 years.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Agreed.  This GT500, like all the previously GT500s before it except for the original, misses the mark.

Not a single one has been collectible like their owners were hoping for.

WORD!!!

[MX793]

Agreed.  This GT500, like all the previous GT500s before it except for the original, misses the mark.

Not a single one has been collectible like their owners were hoping for.

Perhaps because the original ('67-'68) GT500 was the only one that was actually a real Shelby?  Starting in '69, the GT500 was entirely designed and built by Ford, with Ford licensing Shelby's name to put on the cars.

[FoMoJo]

Perhaps because the original ('67-'68) GT500 was the only one that was actually a real Shelby?  Starting in '69, the GT500 was entirely designed and built by Ford, with Ford licensing Shelby's name to put on the cars.

Bear in mind that the original "Boss" series is strictly Ford and is as valued as all but the most exclusive Shelby's.

[MX793]

Bear in mind that the original "Boss" series is strictly Ford and is as valued as all but the most exclusive Shelby's.

The original Boss models basically replaced the GT350 as Ford's racing version of the Mustang (after Ford and Shelby parted ways).  Homologation specials.  Like the original GT500s, they were built for only 2 years and in very small numbers.  That's why they, like the original Shelbys, are so highly valued.  The later, revived Boss model from ~2012, like the S197 GT500, has not proven to be especially collectible (yet).  It may fare better than the modern era GT500s in 10 or 15 years only by virtue of being a much more limited production model, but they don't have the pedigree of the old homologation cars.

[FoMoJo]

The original Boss models basically replaced the GT350 as Ford's racing version of the Mustang (after Ford and Shelby parted ways).  Homologation specials.  Like the original GT500s, they were built for only 2 years and in very small numbers.  That's why they, like the original Shelbys, are so highly valued.  The later, revived Boss model from ~2012, like the S197 GT500, has not proven to be especially collectible (yet).  It may fare better than the modern era GT500s in 10 or 15 years only by virtue of being a much more limited production model, but they don't have the pedigree of the old homologation cars.

So the factors for collectibles are rarity, pedigree (monster street or race reputations} or nostalgia, no one in their right mind wants to own a '73 Dodge Dart with a slant 6 unless they lost their virginity in it.

Most stand out performance models, at some point, will have a level of collectibility. 

[MX793]

So the factors for collectibles are rarity, pedigree (monster street or race reputations} or nostalgia, no one in their right mind wants to own a '73 Dodge Dart with a slant 6 unless they lost their virginity in it.

Most stand out performance models, at some point, will have a level of collectibility. 

I'm not sure any of the modern era Mustangs will have the collectibility of some of the special models from the 60s (Shelby and Boss).  They don't have the racing homologation pedigree, and the modern Shelby models are merely the result of Ford buying the right to use the name.  The GT350, specifically the R model, is probably the most likely to bring in big money decades from now.  It's the rarest and fitted with a truly remarkable, unusual, and noteworthy engine.

[FoMoJo]

I'm not sure any of the modern era Mustangs will have the collectibility of some of the special models from the 60s (Shelby and Boss).  They don't have the racing homologation pedigree, and the modern Shelby models are merely the result of Ford buying the right to use the name.  The GT350, specifically the R model, is probably the most likely to bring in big money decades from now.  It's the rarest and fitted with a truly remarkable, unusual, and noteworthy engine.

Yes, the GT350, especially the R model, will likely been seen to have a better pedigree than even the GT500, though the GT500 is special in its own way; likely among the last of the modern muscle cars.  Personally, I salivate over the GT350 more than the GT500 in both eras.  I did have a '66 notch back with a 289 2 barrel carb which I would love to have now though, more for the sake of nostalgia.