Am I weird for thinking this looks worse?
As weird as the old front fascia was, it looked coherent; as in coherently ugly. This looks weirdly tacked on; like the headlights are oddly shaped and too small.
(https://www.netcarshow.com/Jeep-Cherokee-2019-1280-02.jpg)
(https://www.netcarshow.com/Jeep-Cherokee-2019-1280-03.jpg)
It doesn't look any worse.
Forcing the 7-slot grille onto vehicles with no real vertical space on the front has always looked awkward, but this one is really no worse than the previous one.
It looks better in a more boring way, if that makes sense.
If anything, I think it's slightly better looking. Cleaner compared to the pre-lift front end.
(https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/jeep/cherokee/2014/oem/2014_jeep_cherokee_4dr-suv_limited_fq_oem_8_1280.jpg)
awful before, awful after
I'm currently sitting in one of these, drove it home to clear the emissions monitors for smog testing.
It's fully loaded with every option known to man. I'm a shitty reviewer because because I'd rather be driving a 54 year old truck, but this thing is just a status symbol, seems to me.
Everything in it works OK, it drives well and appears to be well made, it's just not exciting and has no personality at all.
Certainly more "traditional" looking and has slightly more familial resemblance to the reset of the line. Still awkward-looking, though.
I think it looks slightly better, but I am not a fan of the current Charaoke.
Even if I have mixed feelings on the front, not that I ever liked the original, the updated rear is a definite improvement. Always hated the current model's liftgate with the huge expanse of concave sheetmetal between the bumper and the rear window. Moving the license plate mount up onto the liftgate, and adding the recessed area with integrated grab-handle, helps break things up a bit.
Looks better all the way around.......But we're grading on a curve!
Quote from: MX793 on December 29, 2017, 11:38:12 AM
Even if I have mixed feelings on the front, not that I ever liked the original, the updated rear is a definite improvement. Always hated the current model's liftgate with the huge expanse of concave sheetmetal between the bumper and the rear window. Moving the license plate mount up onto the liftgate, and adding the recessed area with integrated grab-handle, helps break things up a bit.
Agreed. The old rear end is its worst stylistic feature, IMO. Just looks dumb.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on December 29, 2017, 01:10:37 PM
Looks better all the way around.......But we're grading on a curve!
:golfclap: :lol:
I agree with Kevin, it just does not click. They've uprighted the grille to give it more of the family look but it's still awkward. I'd want to see it in the flesh before passing final judgment.
For the next generation, if they want to stand out from the herd, they should use the boxy '84-01 second generation (XJ) as a starting point. That thing looked terrific IMHO.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 29, 2017, 03:59:31 PM
I agree with Kevin, it just does not click. They've uprighted the grille to give it more of the family look but it's still awkward. I'd want to see it in the flesh before passing final judgment.
For the next generation, if they want to stand out from the herd, they should use the boxy '84-01 second generation (XJ) as a starting point. That thing looked terrific IMHO.
The Patriot was the modern XJ. I actually like those a lot, except for the lack of off-road chops.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 29, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
The Patriot was the modern XJ. I actually like those a lot, except for the lack of off-road chops.
Looks like the Patriot is the MJ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Patriot
Anyway this is the one I meant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Cherokee_(XJ)
Great article in C&D by the way on how Jeep to its parent companies over the years is like the Alien Facehugger - always kills off its host.
Sorry, I meant the Patriot's design is basically modernized XJ styling.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 29, 2017, 09:36:03 PM
Sorry, I meant the Patriot's design is basically modernized XJ styling.
My buddy's wife has one. Black paint over dark gray wheels. Good looking little thing. Or is it a Renegade. Fuck, I don't know.
Buddy of mine had a Patriot; looked a'ight, but all in all a bit of a turd. He has a Tacoma now, and is much happier for it.
They should make a body-on-frame to go up against the 4Runner, something not so hardcore as the Wrangler. Seems like the 4Runner has the niche all to itself. (I'm discounting the big Tahoes/Yukons here)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 29, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
The Patriot was the modern XJ. I actually like those a lot, except for the lack of off-road chops.
The Liberty was actually the successor to the XJ, and was even marketed as the Cherokee outside of America.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 30, 2017, 06:23:34 AM
They should make a body-on-frame to go up against the 4Runner, something not so hardcore as the Wrangler. Seems like the 4Runner has the niche all to itself. (I'm discounting the big Tahoes/Yukons here)
Grand Cherokee
Quote from: MX793 on December 30, 2017, 07:16:54 AM
The Liberty was actually the successor to the XJ, and was even marketed as the Cherokee outside of America.
I think he's referring to styling. To date, the Patriot is the most XJ looking thing that isn't an XJ that Jeep has made.
I'd say the 2nd generation Liberty looked as much like the XJ as the Patriot.
Quote from: MX793 on December 30, 2017, 09:33:46 AM
I'd say the 2nd generation Liberty looked as much like the XJ as the Patriot.
Huh, I forgot about those. When I hear Liberty I automatically think of the first gen
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 30, 2017, 09:43:43 AM
Huh, I forgot about those. When I hear Liberty I automatically think of the first gen
I don't think they were particularly popular. I think I saw more of the Dodge version (Nitro) than the Jeep.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 30, 2017, 09:43:43 AM
Huh, I forgot about those. When I hear Liberty I automatically think of the first gen
Same. I forget the 2nd Gen was called a Liberty.
Quote from: MX793 on December 30, 2017, 10:06:35 AM
I don't think they were particularly popular. I think I saw more of the Dodge version (Nitro) than the Jeep.
True. And I barely saw Nitros.
Of all the cute utes out there, the current Cherokee (trailhawk version) and the Mazdas look the best to me. This updated one looks good.
Jeep doesn't need to make it body on frame or otherwise increase it's off road chops. No one uses these to actually off-road. What they should continue to do is improve on road manners, transmission, etc. FCA is never going to win any cute ute on road driving test with a Honda CRV and it's certainly never going to be as reliable as one. They're successful because the car looks cool and unique, Jeep has great brand pedigree, and your testosterone does not immediately plummet as happens when you daily drive a CRV (i'm just bullshitting on the last point but a masculine vehicle it is not).
A Trailhawk Cherokee is plenty capable off road for 97% of people.
So what is a body on frame 4 Runner going to do offroad that a "uniframe" Grand Cherokee isn't?
Quote from: r0tor on January 05, 2018, 03:14:17 PM
So what is a body on frame 4 Runner going to do offroad that a "uniframe" Grand Cherokee isn't?
Depends. It's all about ground clearance, approach/depart, and any ability to lock up diffs.
GranCho's "uniframe" is every bit as capable as any production BoF rig. But it was also designed to be rugged and off-road capable from the get-go. It's not an LX platform with a lift kit, it's a dedicated SUV platform designed to be used for SUV things like towing and going offroad. The Fiat compact and subcompact car platforms that underpin the Renegade, Compass, and Cherokee are not. They are car platforms with a tall wagon body and a suspension lift.
Apparently OG Cherokee unibodies can get worn out faster than BoF vehicles.
Quote from: veeman on January 05, 2018, 02:16:00 PM
Of all the cute utes out there, the current Cherokee (trailhawk version) and the Mazdas look the best to me. This updated one looks good.
Jeep doesn't need to make it body on frame or otherwise increase it's off road chops. No one uses these to actually off-road. What they should continue to do is improve on road manners, transmission, etc. FCA is never going to win any cute ute on road driving test with a Honda CRV and it's certainly never going to be as reliable as one. They're successful because the car looks cool and unique, Jeep has great brand pedigree, and your testosterone does not immediately plummet as happens when you daily drive a CRV (i'm just bullshitting on the last point but a masculine vehicle it is not).
CRV is better looking than this or the last Cheraoke by a mile, plus anyone who would buy the inferior vehicle "because masculine" should see a doctor about testosterone levels.
Quote from: r0tor on January 05, 2018, 03:14:17 PM
So what is a body on frame 4 Runner going to do offroad that a "uniframe" Grand Cherokee isn't?
Problem with the Grand Charaoke is it has no interior space (less than a compact sedan according to you), plus Jeep fit and finish, Jeep reliability, Jeep resale etc.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 06, 2018, 09:36:10 PM
Problem with the Grand Charaoke is it has no interior space (less than a compact sedan according to you), plus Jeep fit and finish, Jeep reliability, Jeep resale etc.
They are pretty shitty inside. I mean, you can polish a turd with options and leather, but they're still pretty cramped.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 06, 2018, 09:34:45 PM
CRV is better looking than this or the last Cheraoke by a mile, plus anyone who would buy the inferior vehicle "because masculine" should see a doctor about testosterone levels.
The brand new CR-V looks like a frumpy bulldog up front. Blehhh. Needs some Botox.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 07, 2018, 12:42:21 AM
The brand new CR-V looks like a frumpy bulldog up front. Blehhh. Needs some Botox.
They look like the pathetic, Downsy breed of the dog world...pugs. Thing looks like it already went face first into a wall.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 06, 2018, 09:34:45 PM
CRV is better looking than this or the last Cheraoke by a mile, plus anyone who would buy the inferior vehicle "because masculine" should see a doctor about testosterone levels.
Trailhawk looks good plus Jeeps are cool. CRV, the better car, is rarely bought because of how it looks. It looks inoffensive. If someone offered a choice of one of them for me, I'd be torn. Depends how much shittier the on road drive is of the Trailhawk. I haven't been in one. Ive been in a CRV and it drives real nice as a commuter car.
Quote from: veeman on January 07, 2018, 01:11:27 AM
looks good plus Jeeps are cool. CRV, the better car, is rarely bought because of how it looks. It looks inoffensive. If someone offered a choice of one of them for me, I'd be torn. Depends how much shittier the on road drive is of the Trailhawk. I haven't been in one. Ive been in a CRV and it drives real nice as a commuter car.
They buy the CRV because it's the better product, in this case it just happens to also look better. That's not to say the CRV is gorgeous, but it's inoffensive and blends in, while the Charaoke is downright ugly.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 06, 2018, 09:36:10 PM
Problem with the Grand Charaoke is it has no interior space (less than a compact sedan according to you), plus Jeep fit and finish, Jeep reliability, Jeep resale etc.
The current 4 Runner is still about 90% the same as my father's old 2004 model was. There is some dead on the vine bragging rights
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 06, 2018, 05:34:27 PM
Apparently OG Cherokee unibodies can get worn out faster than BoF vehicles.
I guess everything is relative, but probably not when compared to a similar year Tacoma
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 08:01:46 AM
The current 4 Runner is still about 90% the same as my father's old 2004 model was. There is some dead on the vine bragging rights
The 2004 4runner too was and still is a better product than the Grand Cheraoke.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 08:23:00 AM
The 2004 4runner too was and still is a better product than the Grand Cheraoke.
Yea, it's fantastic except for it...
Rides worse
Worse fuel mileage
Less towing capacity
Decades old V6
Decades old 5 speed auto
Missed where this was ever a 4 Runner option
https://youtu.be/7R8grxnN_zM
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 08:46:50 AM
Yea, it's fantastic except for it...
Rides worse
Worse fuel mileage
Less towing capacity
Decades old V6
Decades old 5 speed auto
Missed where this was ever a 4 Runner option
https://youtu.be/7R8grxnN_zM
Why would anyone want a fast 4Runner?
All the above points are moot if your SUV has less usable space than a compact or midsized sedan, which you spent about 15 pages raging about. Plus Jeep quality, reliability, depreciation etc.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 06:32:24 AM
They buy the CRV because it's the better product, in this case it just happens to also look better. That's not to say the CRV is gorgeous, but it's inoffensive and blends in, while the Charaoke is downright ugly.
Keep tellin yourself that, buddy. People buy CR-Vs because they've gone bankrupt.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 07, 2018, 09:11:49 AM
Keep tellin yourself that, buddy. People buy CR-Vs because they've gone bankrupt.
CRV is out of my price range, I still lust for one but we ended up buying something used for a little over half the price.
One day ...
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 08:56:55 AM
Why would anyone want a fast 4Runner?
All the above points are moot if your SUV has less usable space than a compact or midsized sedan, which you spent about 15 pages raging about. Plus Jeep quality, reliability, depreciation etc.
Of course nobody would want a 4Runner that fast... You would fly off the road and land in a tree at 100mph.
And your right - fuel mileage, comfort, style, and capability are completely not what a 4Runner shopper would be considering - only the rest of the SUV buyers in the world.
Kind of hard to justify $40k+ for a 15 year old design dressed in a horrible interior/exterior. I'm sure there has to be some kind of redeeming quality... Just not sure what it is though
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 07, 2018, 09:11:49 AM
Keep tellin yourself that, buddy. People buy CR-Vs because they've gone bankrupt.
People buy CRVs because they are too worried about their image to be seen in a minivan.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 09:22:15 AM
CRV is out of my price range, I still lust for one but we ended up buying something used for a little over half the price.
One day ...
You guys picked the Lexus?
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 10:22:46 AM
Of course nobody would want a 4Runner that fast... You would fly off the road and land in a tree at 100mph.
And your right - fuel mileage, comfort, style, and capability are completely not what a 4Runner shopper would be considering - only the rest of the SUV buyers in the world.
Kind of hard to justify $40k+ for a 15 year old design dressed in a horrible interior/exterior. I'm sure there has to be some kind of redeeming quality... Just not sure what it is though
Have you ever owned a Chrysler product?
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 10:24:26 AM
People buy CRVs because they are too worried about their image to be seen in a minivan.
CRV is significantly smaller and doesn't even have a third row :huh:
It's not a minivan substitute.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 07, 2018, 10:29:25 AM
Have you ever owned a Chrysler product?
Umm last time I checked their is a 7 year old JGC in my driveway
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 10:31:07 AM
CRV is significantly smaller and doesn't even have a third row :huh:
It's not a minivan substitute.
Right... The Cute Ute craze was never started by self conscious minivan customers
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 10:32:07 AM
Umm last time I checked their is a 7 year old JGC in my driveway
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/2745079.jpg)
No wonder you're so defensive about it. Also not really sure why this digression began since this is a Cherokee thread, not a Grand Cherokee thread.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 10:22:46 AM
Of course nobody would want a 4Runner that fast... You would fly off the road and land in a tree at 100mph.
So why are you whining that it isn't an option?
Quote
And your right - fuel mileage, comfort, style, and capability are completely not what a 4Runner shopper would be considering - only the rest of the SUV buyers in the world.
Kind of hard to justify $40k+ for a 15 year old design dressed in a horrible interior/exterior. I'm sure there has to be some kind of redeeming quality... Just not sure what it is though
I wouldn't be looking at 4runner class if gas mileage was primary concern. JGC isn't something I'd even consider due to no space, not to menthon Jeep quality, reliability, and resale. Makes a decent rental though.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
Right... The Cute Ute craze was never started by self conscious minivan customers
People don't buy 5 seat CUVs to fill the role of 7-8 passenger minivans.
CUVs are popular because they have greater space/utility than sedans and better on road manners and economy than body on frame SUVs :huh:
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 10:24:26 AM
People buy CRVs because they are too worried about their image to be seen in a minivan.
And people who buy GCs aren't? :wtf: I don't think I've ever seen a JGC towing anything and plenty of people have RWD ones outside of the snow belt. You take that away, what's the utility of a JGC over a CR-V? :popcorn:
Speaking of towing capacity, Rotor do you have a boat? What do you tow that made you bring up towing capacity?
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 10:55:53 AM
People don't buy 5 seat CUVs to fill the role of 7-8 passenger minivans.
CUVs are popular because they have greater space/utility than sedans and better on road manners and economy than body on frame SUVs :huh:
The CRV exists only because people became too self conscious to be seen in a hatchback/wagon/minivan.
They have never had any better practicality then the segment they replaced. They have always handled worse, road worse, and had worse mileage in exchange for not be seen in a wagon/van. Up until just recently, the CRV and RAV4 couldn't even send more then 15% of their power to the rear wheels of their "AWD" systems and nobody cares because nobody used them for anything more then light soccer mom duties.
Their existence souly depends on SUVs being "ok" to be seen in. Nobody who actually needs an SUV for things that SUVs bring to the table (towing, offroading, 4WD) ever look at them.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 07, 2018, 10:39:34 AM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/2745079.jpg)
No wonder you're so defensive about it. Also not really sure why this digression began since this is a Cherokee thread, not a Grand Cherokee thread.
Only responding to a bullshit "body on frame" comment.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 11:43:19 AM
The CRV exists only because people became too self conscious to be seen in a hatchback/wagon/minivan.
They have never had any better practicality then the segment they replaced. They have always handled worse, road worse, and had worse mileage in exchange for not be seen in a wagon/van. Up until just recently, the CRV and RAV4 couldn't even send more then 15% of their power to the rear wheels of their "AWD" systems and nobody cares because nobody used them for anything more then light soccer mom duties.
Their existence souly depends on SUVs being "ok" to be seen in. Nobody who actually needs an SUV for things that SUVs bring to the table (towing, offroading, 4WD) ever look at them.
I'd rather be seen in a hatch or wagon than a CRV :huh:
The image as a reason for buying a CRV argument is weird even for someone with your history of being and defending wrong.
All of your criticisms save the awd comment also apply to your JGC, at least the CRV has some interior space, is cheaper, better interior, and vastly better quality, reliability, resale etc.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 07, 2018, 11:14:59 AM
And people who buy GCs aren't? :wtf: I don't think I've ever seen a JGC towing anything and plenty of people have RWD ones outside of the snow belt. You take that away, what's the utility of a JGC over a CR-V? :popcorn:
So when you take away the actual *real advantages* of an actual SUV, it doesn't have anymore ability then a common soccer mom mobile
Brilliant :clap:
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 11:53:41 AM
I'd rather be seen in a hatch or wagon than a CRV :huh:
The image as a reason for buying a CRV argument is weird even for someone with your history of being and defending wrong.
All of your criticisms save the awd comment also apply to your JGC, at least the CRV has some interior space, is cheaper, better interior, and vastly better quality, reliability, resale etc.
And I'm sure you bought your rugged body on frame SUV for it's rugger 4WD system and great road manners
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 11:51:15 AM
Only responding to a bullshit "body on frame" comment.
?
Quote from: veeman on January 05, 2018, 02:16:00 PM
Jeep doesn't need to make it body on frame or otherwise increase it's off road chops. No one uses these to actually off-road.
Quote from: r0tor on January 05, 2018, 03:14:17 PM
So what is a body on frame 4 Runner going to do offroad that a "uniframe" Grand Cherokee isn't?
Unless I'm not seeing it, you're the one that brought up the GC out of nowhere...
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 11:53:41 AM
I'd rather be seen in a hatch or wagon than a CRV :huh:
The image as a reason for buying a CRV argument is weird even for someone with your history of being and defending wrong.
All of your criticisms save the awd comment also apply to your JGC, at least the CRV has some interior space, is cheaper, better interior, and vastly better quality, reliability, resale etc.
Wow... another person who strips a real SUV of it's actual real utility and comments it's no better then a slightly lifted station wagon.
Is there a flood in this strange village of terrible thinkers?
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 30, 2017, 06:23:34 AM
They should make a body-on-frame to go up against the 4Runner, something not so hardcore as the Wrangler. Seems like the 4Runner has the niche all to itself. (I'm discounting the big Tahoes/Yukons here)
This would be my original comment on the JGC
I do occasionally see JGCs towing boats. Small boats usually, but I do see them. Camper trailers as well.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 07, 2018, 12:15:28 PM
I do occasionally see JGCs towing boats. Small boats usually, but I do see them. Camper trailers as well.
indeed
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
And I'm sure you bought your rugged body on frame SUV for it's rugger 4WD system and great road manners
I bought the 4Runner as a beater, grocery getter, and dog car. But I've also never said otherwise and am not the one attacking people for buying practical SUVs :huh:
How much do you regularly tow with your JGC?
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 12:16:27 PM
I bought the 4Runner as a beater, grocery getter, and dog car. But I've also never said otherwise and am not the one attacking people for buying practical SUVs :huh:
How much do you regularly tow with your JGC?
You buy sports cars and never use them for their capability and a rugged BOF 4WD SUV and also never use it for it's capability. Congrats on being a poser.
I bought the JGC for getting through snowstorms, going to Lowe's, hauling the family on vacations, and hitching up a trailer and bike racks. It's been up to it's uniframe rails in sand, mud, and way above the bumper in snow. It's towed a bunch of crap. It's done everything I ever asked of it and has done everything I bought it to do.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 12:34:36 PM
You buy sports cars and never use them for their capability and a rugged BOF 4WD SUV and also never use it for it's capability. Congrats on being a poser.
I bought the JGC for getting through snowstorms, going to Lowe's, hauling the family on vacations, and hitching up a trailer and bike racks. It's been up to it's uniframe rails in sand, mud, and way above the bumper in snow. It's towed a bunch of crap. It's done everything I ever asked of it and has done everything I bought it to do.
Actually no, I'm
selling a sports sedan I don't use. This may be beyond your comprehension, but selling is the opposite of buying. If I were a poseur I'd finance a Ferrari and say I borrowed the money to invest.
Bikes? Gougs carries those all the time w/ his G. Lowe's and family trips, yeah a minivan can't do that. "A bunch of crap" isn't very specific. Plenty of passenger cars in snowy climates. The constant need to chestpound and justify how manly your purchases are in unrelated threads seems pretty poseurish to me.
Save me the righteous bullshit. I've bought a sports car and a rugged SUV and have used both to their absolute potential. My purchases have been grounded in reality, practicality, and financial responsibility.
You could have saved $$$,$$$ on your Vette, M3, and 4Runner purchases with a used Corolla and a seat cover and then actually been able to do your Trump grade financial genius chest pounding.
r0tor is fucking losing it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
PErsonally I think you do all that stuff in the JGC solely for the purpose of justifying the purchase to strangers on the internet. The only thing your JGC can do that a CR-V can't is tow.... which again begs the question what exactly are you towing on a regular basis?
Using the RX-8 to its maximum potential? Trundling in traffic? :lol: IIRC you were just saying your commute became a lot shittier in the context of the RX-8's intended purpose. You don't do track days. Where and when are you using the RX-8 as intended? So many questions :lol:
Yea... I drove through blizzards not because I was a manager at a critical power plant and needed to go to work - but because I had to justify my JGC purchase. I buried the thing in sand not because we love vacationing at the 4WD beaches of OBX, but because I needed to justify my SUV. The mud... Well yea,no did that because I could.
I would have been helplessly fucked in a CR-V in any of the above.
My RX8 has seen plenty of racing in it's life. Most of which was not legal - some was. I suppose I did that though to justify my car purchase. I love bombing down back roads also to justify my car purchase.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 01:59:38 PM
I would have been helplessly fucked in a CR-V in any of the above.
You would have another kid and drive to Whole Foods more, to justify the purchase.
Quote from: Laconian on January 07, 2018, 02:08:34 PM
You would have another kid and drive to Whole Foods more, to justify the purchase.
Mall crawling bro
This is one of the dumber arguements here at CarSPIN
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 07, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
The only thing your JGC can do that a CR-V can't is tow...
No. A JGC is much more capable off road/in inclement weather. Doesn't the CR-V have a pretty half-assed AWD system?
https://jalopnik.com/looks-like-the-2015-honda-cr-vs-awd-system-doesnt-work-1649969431
And, guys, people aren't towing shit daily unless it's their job. Relax.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 10:33:56 AM
Yeah... this is old news!
Heh shows how out of the loop I am. Do you still have the 4Runner/M3?
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 07, 2018, 03:36:54 PM
No. A JGC is much more capable off road/in inclement weather. Doesn't the CR-V have a pretty half-assed AWD system?
https://jalopnik.com/looks-like-the-2015-honda-cr-vs-awd-system-doesnt-work-1649969431
And, guys, people aren't towing shit daily unless it's their job. Relax.
Yea, consumer reports have even shown the CRV / RAV4 can't even hold a candle to a Forrester
https://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/4503044972001/awd-showdown-subaru-forester-vs-honda-cr-v-vs-toyota-rav4/
I especially appreciate the RAV4 center diff lock that automatically disengages at 25mph
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
Yea, consumer reports have even shown the CRV / RAV4 can't even hold a candle to a Forrester
https://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/4503044972001/awd-showdown-subaru-forester-vs-honda-cr-v-vs-toyota-rav4/
I especially appreciate the RAV4 center diff lock that automatically disengages at 25mph
Ahh, this is a feel-good video for a Subaru owner. Even though I only drive in 4 inches of snow, worst case.
Quote from: Laconian on January 07, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Ahh, this is a feel-good video for a Subaru owner. Even though I only drive in 4 inches of snow, worst case.
They do still make a decent AWD system for sure - although I would take their older AWD systems that had locking/limited slip differentials over some of their newer systems.
A CR-V/RAV4 has always been a complete joke of an SUV.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 07, 2018, 03:56:43 PM
Heh shows how out of the loop I am. Do you still have the 4Runner/M3?
I'm driving the 4Runner, M3 is sitting in the garage waiting for Rotor's financing to come through.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 01:19:44 PM
Save me the righteous bullshit. I've bought a sports car and a rugged SUV and have used both to their absolute potential. My purchases have been grounded in reality, practicality, and financial responsibility.
Of course you do, and please keep telling us how rugged it is.
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You could have saved $$$,$$$ on your Vette, M3, and 4Runner purchases with a used Corolla and a seat cover and then actually been able to do your Trump grade financial genius chest pounding.
Yep, I could have. Just as you could have bought a used Kia Sportage or Subaru Outback that can do every rugged thing you've ever done in your JGC, and with vastly better build quality, reliability, and resale to boot. Same for a used civic in place of the RX8.
FWIW I've never had second thoughts over buying either the C6 or the 4Runner, and even the M3 made sense at the time, and wasn't til ~2+ years after I bought it that I really starting thinking "eh, not sure I'd buy this if making a car buying decision today".
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 05:36:45 PM
Yep, I could have. Just as you could have bought a used Kia Sportage or Subaru Outback that can do every rugged thing you've ever done in your JGC, and with vastly better build quality, reliability, and resale to boot. Same for a used civic in place of the RX8.
Can't tell if your clueless or halarious on either
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 05:22:40 PM
I'm driving the 4Runner, M3 is sitting in the garage waiting for Rotor's financing to come through.
Not buying your M3... That thing is bound to have some massive carbon build up issues
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 05:59:18 PM
Not buying your M3
Damnit, when were you going to tell me? All this time I've been holding it for you.
DI engine that's never been run hard... That's just asking for massive issues.
But you drive a rotary car....
For entertainment value, this is one of the beaches my JGC goes... Although I prefer the beaches at "Carova" since there are less idiots
https://youtu.be/nkcymsicOA8
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 07, 2018, 06:16:11 PM
But you drive a rotary car....
...Which doesn't have a history of never being beaten (on most trips)...
Where in the world are you trying to go with this?
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 06:17:50 PM
For entertainment value, this is one of the beaches my JGC goes... Although I prefer the beaches at "Carova" since there are less idiots
https://youtu.be/nkcymsicOA8
Jesus, if driving on a beach once a year is all it takes to be RuggedSpin, you should have said so sooner. I could have been randomly and out of context proclaiming my and the 4runners masculinity all along.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 06:19:49 PM
...Which doesn't have a history of never being beaten (on most trips)...
Where in the world are you trying to go with this?
How many trackdays has the RX-8 seen?
Also still waiting for details on all the heavy loads you tow w/ the JGC, aside from a bicycle.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 06:29:21 PM
Jesus, if driving on a beach once a year is all it takes to be RuggedSpin, you should have said so sooner. I could have been randomly and out of context proclaiming my and the 4runners masculinity all along.
A) Who said it was once per year?
B). No shit it's not daily, I live a few hundred miles from sand... I guess equally shitty amounts of snow/mud where I live doesn't count though
C). I'd pay to watch you take a beloved CRV there... But won't pay for the multiple $100 tows
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 06:40:27 PM
A) Who said it was once per year?
B). No shit it's not daily, I live a few hundred miles from sand... I guess equally shitty amounts of snow/mud where I live doesn't count though
C). I'd pay to watch you take a beloved CRV there... But won't pay for the multiple $100 tows
A then how often is it?
B if you're in so much snow and mud why make such a big deal of the beach? And how come so many people who live in snowy areas drive ordinary passenger cars?
C why would I take a CRV there? I don't even own a CRV and I have a 4runner for the rare instances (~once a year or so) I'm in something like that.
:confused: Look at 2:15 in that video you posted. There's a CR-V that clearly made it through and is parked
Quote from: MrH on January 07, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
:confused: Look at 2:15 in that video you posted. There's a CR-V that clearly made it through and is parked
Sshhhhhhh ... That's my broke ass wife.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 06:45:31 PM
Sshhhhhhh ... That's my broke ass wife.
It is?! You mean to tell me r0tor's been vacationing with poor people this whole time? What will his son think?
Quote from: MrH on January 07, 2018, 06:46:31 PM
It is?! You mean to tell me r0tor's been vacationing with poor people this whole time? What will his son think?
They don't call it the redneck riviera for nothing.
Quote from: MrH on January 07, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
:confused: Look at 2:15 in that video you posted. There's a CR-V that clearly made it through and is parked
That video was taken like 100ft from the onramp. You don't see many or any CRVs several miles down the beach
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
That video was taken like 100ft from the onramp. You don't see many or any CRVs several miles down the beach
You chose and posted the video to show how rugged you are bra.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
A then how often is it?
B if you're in so much snow and mud why make such a big deal of the beach? And how come so many people who live in snowy areas drive ordinary passenger cars?
C why would I take a CRV there? I don't even own a CRV and I have a 4runner for the rare instances (~once a year or so) I'm in something like that.
A). Depends how many times we go down and if we stay at a house that's in "4WD Only" areas (aka access involves driving up the beach a few miles). Sorry, I don't keep a log.
B). I did put for "entertainment value". I don't think random YT videos exist for my normal commute in the snow.
C). You claim I have never taken my Jeep a Cute Ute can't go... So try it?
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 06:50:14 PM
You chose and posted the video to show how rugged you are bra.
I thought it was funny ?
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
How many trackdays has the RX-8 seen?
Also still waiting for details on all the heavy loads you tow w/ the JGC, aside from a bicycle.
RX8 a couple? It's not like I need a race track to exploit the potential of 240hp... Don't recall the RX8 being a track focused special edition car?
WTF is my Jeep suppose to be - a towing service? It tows lumber, landscaping shit, 4 wheelers, ect. It's not like I bought a V8 Hemi or turbo diesel...
...The desperation is incredible...
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 06:57:30 PM
I thought it was funny ?
Oh, this thread, and watching you squirm to justify your purchases while accusing others of buying boring CUVs "for image!" is fucking hilarious.
A CR-V (that RT4WD car in the video) gets like 20% of the power when on the throttle. IDK that sounds like enough to get it thru ok.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 07, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
A CR-V (that RT4WD car in the video) gets like 20% of the power when on the throttle. IDK that sounds like enough to get it thru ok.
Shhh... It's more fun watching Lebowski dig himself a hole... Like a CRV on the beach
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 07:02:14 PM
RX8 a couple? It's not like I need a race track to exploit the potential of 240hp... Don't recall the RX8 being a track focused special edition car?
WTF is my Jeep suppose to be - a towing service? It tows lumber, landscaping shit, 4 wheelers, ect. It's not like I bought a V8 Hemi or turbo diesel...
...The desperation is incredible...
So, two track days?
You brought up towing capacity. What do you regularly tow that a 4runner or even a CRV can't?
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 07:03:46 PM
Oh, this thread, and watching you squirm to justify your purchases while accusing others of buying boring CUVs "for image!" is fucking hilarious.
I'm only squirming at your desperation to try and enact some sort of revenge after exposing you as a complete poser how many months ago?
Let it go dude and get some butt cream.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 07, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
So, two track days?
You brought up towing capacity. What do you regularly tow that a 4runner or even a CRV can't?
Huh?
I bought a JGC based off of it's combination of ride, handling, capacity, off-road and foul weather capability, and yes towing capability for what I could afford.
If I wanted a hardcore tow rig I probably wouldn't have bought a V6 or even an SUV. :facepalm:
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 07:13:22 PM
Shhh... It's more fun watching Lebowski dig himself a hole... Like a CRV on the beach
But I said it was enough to get it thru the beach, though.
Quote from: r0tor on January 07, 2018, 07:21:47 PM
Huh?
I bought a JGC based off of it's combination of ride, handling, capacity, off-road and foul weather capability, and yes towing capability for what I could afford.
If I wanted a hardcore tow rig I probably wouldn't have bought a V6 or even an SUV. :facepalm:
You brought up towing capacity as a differentiator :huh:
Based on your comments ITT, seems to me 99% of your needs would have been better met by a minivan, or equally met by used Kia Sportage or Subaru Outback at signficiantly lower cost and w/ better build quality, reliability, and resale.
Pretty funny
Come on, I really want more car buying advice from someone that bought a 4Runner to get groceries and an //M car to drive 2 miles to work and are trying to dump
"I needed this JGC to haul my bicycle and go to the beach"
"My RX-8 has seen a track day once every ~6 years ... I'm an enthusiast!"
Both financed so I can invest harder! So rugged.
My wife and I used to ride my motorcycle to the beaches in NY. Maybe Im weird but I thought people went to the beach to go in the water :huh:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 06:05:06 AM
My wife and I used to ride my motorcycle to the beaches in NY. Maybe Im weird but I thought people went to the beach to go in the water :huh:
You mean to tell me you and Mrs Sporty don't even go to beaches you can drive on bra? You're missing out on ... nothing.
Only time we drive on the beach is if we're at a surf competition or something ... I never even realized taking my grocery getter there got me instant machoman cred. Generally speaking though, beaches that people drive on are lame and trashy, which ties in perfectly with what we know of Rotor.
We also drove Accord #3 to a cabin in the Poconos. And I've seen bike racks on the back of all kinds of things. Maybe thats just me though.
Not sure why r0tor is evaluating a CUV as an SUV either big again hopefully he can provide clarity.
:popcorn:
Butthurt makes for great forum sparring
One thing about living in a rural area is that none of the import brands have dealerships in the small towns & cities; it's all domestics, no luxury brands. So it's less of a hassle to get a Chrysler/GM/Ford serviced & fixed than it is to trundle into a big city to find say a Honda or Acura dealer.
So that's why a Ford Edge or a JGC are on my radar to replace my wife's CLK. The JGC would be perfect for us as a mid-sized SUV with respectable AWD. Consumer Reports loves it but it's *way* down in rankings because of an appalling reliability record. Whether the appalling record s deserved or not, I don't know. The JGC WK2 has been around since 2011 - surely they've ironed out the bugs by now - maybe FCA is just chronically incapable of screwing cars together properly.
I am surprised there aren't many import dealers by you. I work in a rural area and Honda, Toyota and Nissan have big dealerships there. Actually, I'm not sure there is an FCA dealership there. With an import, you won't need a dealership :lol:
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 08, 2018, 08:15:04 AM
One thing about living in a rural area is that none of the import brands have dealerships in the small towns & cities; it's all domestics, no luxury brands. So it's less of a hassle to get a Chrysler/GM/Ford serviced & fixed than it is to trundle into a big city to find say a Honda or Acura dealer.
So that's why a Ford Edge or a JGC are on my radar to replace my wife's CLK. The JGC would be perfect for us as a mid-sized SUV with respectable AWD. Consumer Reports loves it but it's *way* down in rankings because of an appalling reliability record. Whether the appalling record s deserved or not, I don't know. The JGC WK2 has been around since 2011 - surely they've ironed out the bugs by now - maybe FCA is just chronically incapable of screwing cars together properly.
It has less to do with the ability to a screw things together properly, and more to do with they can't design things that screw together properly. Most reliability issues is due to poor design that manifests into inconsistent manufacturing.
I would not have confidence in jeep/Chrysler to "iron out" issues over any length of time.
JGC makes a good rental car as an alternative to CUVs/SUVs a class down that have comparable interior space. I wouldn't buy one even if a Jeep dealership was the most conveniently located to me. Unless you really need the off road ability, a CRV is a better car in every way plus is cheaper and will depreciate much more slowly. If you do need the off road ability, 4runner.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 08:45:58 AM
I would not have confidence in jeep/Chrysler to "iron out" issues over any length of time.
JGC makes a good rental car as an alternative to CUVs/SUVs a class down that have comparable interior space. I wouldn't buy one even if a Jeep dealership was the most conveniently located to me. Unless you really need the off road ability, a CRV is a better car in every way plus is cheaper and will depreciate much more slowly. If you do need the off road ability, 4runner.
I certainly agree with this sentiment. I want to love Jeep. I want to buy Jeep. I used to own a Jeep. But the inconsistency in quality from Chrysler over the years has been infuriating.
While I'm not a fan of a CRV, I do feel that typical BOF SUVs lack any kind of practicality unless you're like some of our clients who have to haul 5-6+ children around and didn't want a van (one clients has a sweet chevy or ford van for hauling her 65 children). Most people if they want to tow just have a truck.
I cannot personally think of many advantages of large SUVs are pretty nil compared to a lot of competition. You don't really get that much more space. You don't get the benefit of that much towing capacity (if you need it). Plus, the fuel economy hit makes it much costlier to own.
Sign me up for a Subaru any day.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 08:17:34 AM
I am surprised there aren't many import dealers by you. I work in a rural area and Honda, Toyota and Nissan have big dealerships there. Actually, I'm not sure there is an FCA dealership there. With an import, you won't need a dealership :lol:
Fiat :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 06:05:06 AM
My wife and I used to ride my motorcycle to the beaches in NY. Maybe Im weird but I thought people went to the beach to go in the water :huh:
You put a bunch of people in your SUV or several trucks/SUVs, load them with food, booze, fishing gear, kayaks, ect and drive a few miles up the beach until you reach a spot that nobody is within several hundred yards from you.... Park, setup your stuff, and relax...
Lebowski can fill you in better on JGC reliability.
I can only tell you in 7 years on mine I've had to do...
- 7 oil changes
-1 set of tires
-1 thermostat
-1 shock
- 1 door lock
- Lots of gas
...and nothing else...
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 09:37:01 AM
Lebowski can fill you in better on JGC reliability.
I can only tell you in 7 years on mine I've had to do...
- 7 oil changes
-1 set of tires
-1 thermostat
-1 shock
- 1 door lock
- Lots of gas
...and nothing else...
As useful as a sample size of one is, I'll continue to get reliability data elsewhere.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 05:58:29 AM
"I needed this JGC to haul my bicycle and go to the beach"
"My RX-8 has seen a track day once every ~6 years ... I'm an enthusiast!"
Both financed so I can invest harder! So rugged.
Wow, I use a SUV to do actual SUV things and a sports car to drive like a sports car.
So what, you tow a couple thousand pounds of groceries every week and do some sweet 0-25mph burnouts in your M3?
Save me the bullshit, you without a doubt have wasted more money on senseless vehicle purchases then anyone here - by a mile.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 09:42:18 AM
Wow, I use a SUV to do actual SUV things and a sports car to drive like a sports car.
Sports car things once every 6 years or so, awesome. Would be better off going to a driving school once a war.
Minus snow my 4runner has done "SUV things" you're so proud of yourself for doing, I just don't feel the need to announce how rugged I am in unrelated threads. Unlike you I'll freely admit yeah, 99% of the miles on the 4runner could have been done by a minivan :huh: Who cares.
Lol at "senseless" purchases - I buy what fits my wants and needs and don't need to chestpound how awesome I am for it. M3 no longer fits my wants and needs 3 years later, of the 3 vehicles I've purchased I've happily kept 2 of them for like 7+ years and even the outlier at ~3yrs is prob about average for new luxury car buyers. Yeah I'm really beating myself over the head for that senselsss mistake :wanker:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 08, 2018, 08:05:38 AM
:popcorn:
Butthurt makes for great forum sparring
+1 :lol:
I love these threads.
Makes me chuckle :lol:.
So are you trying to say nobody should buy a Miata unless they track it every week? Dude, it doesn't take much to exploit and have fun with the limits of a 240hp car in daily driving. It's not like I bought some 400+ hp track special model....
Face it, my total car purchases in 14 years is less then your epic waste of an M3 purchase your trying to bail from... and you want to give advice on what people should be buying?!?! Holy fuck dude...
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 08, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
Makes me chuckle :lol:.
Rotor's insecurity is the comedic gift that keeps on giving.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 09:49:39 AM
Lol at "senseless" purchases - I buy what fits my wants and needs and don't need to chestpound how awesome I am for it. M3 no longer fits my wants and needs 3 years later, of the 3 vehicles I've purchased I've happily kept 2 of them for like 7+ years and even the outlier at ~3yrs is prob about average for new luxury car buyers. Yeah I'm really beating myself over the head for that senselsss mistake :wanker:
You spent what, close to $200k on a Vette, 4Runner, and an M3 when all you needed was a used Corolla and a seat cover. There would be bankruptcy parties on every street corner if people used your logic for car buying.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 09:54:58 AM
So are you trying to say nobody should buy a Miata unless they track it every week? Dude, it doesn't take much to exploit and have fun with the limits of a 240hp car in daily driving. It's not like I bought some 400+ hp track special model....
Didn't say that at all, but if someone buys a Miata and comes in here acting like a complete twat "I use my Miata for SPORTS CAR stuff! You are all less enthusiast than me!" while tracking it once a decade sure, I'll call them a phoney.
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Face it, my total car purchases in 14 years is less then your epic waste of an M3 purchase your trying to bail from... and you want to give advice on what people should be buying?!?! Holy fuck dude...
I wasn't aware there was a who spends least on cars competition going on here. That you need contemplate gap insurance tells me regardless, you bought more car than you can objectively afford. Letting that slip was -100 internetry.
Lebowski Guideline to vehicles...
- Work Commute? Need at least 400hp track car
- Groceries? Body on Frame SUV
- Camping? Tank
- Home Depot? 18 wheeler
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 09:59:13 AM
Didn't say that at all, but if someone buys a Miata and comes in here acting like a complete twat "I use my Miata for SPORTS CAR stuff! You are all less enthusiast than me!" while tracking it once a decade sure, I'll call them a phoney.
Do you know the difference between a sports car and a track car?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:09:08 AM
Lebowski Guide Line to vehicled...
- Work Commute? Need at least 400hp track car
- Groceries? Body on Frame SUV
- Camping? Tank
- Home Depot? 18 wheeler
Shit, none of those will fit my bicycle!
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
Shit, none of those will fit my bicycle!
Oh fuck, you probably need an F250 Super duty
Can I ask if you use low range on the 4Runner to cross all puddles, or just the ones bigger then a cup of water?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
Can I ask if you use low range on the 4Runner to cross all puddles, or just the ones bigger then a cup of water?
How much area is the cup of water spread over?
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
How much area is the cup of water spread over?
Oh I don't know, maybe 1 foot?
Oh better yet, did you ever lock up all the diffs and be a complete badass and climb a curb in the mall parking lot?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
Oh I don't know, maybe 1 foot?
Oh better yet, did you ever lock up all the diffs and be a complete badass and climb a curb in the mall parking lot?
Have you confused who has said what ITT to this point? You realize you're the guy bragging about your "rugged" SUV driving on a beach with a CRV on it. I've driven on beach before and never felt the need to post about it :huh:
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:09:08 AM
Lebowski Guideline to vehicles...
- Work Commute? Need at least 400hp track car
- Groceries? Body on Frame SUV
- Camping? Tank
- Home Depot? 18 wheeler
-continued Lebowski Guidelines-
Single dude with a small cock -> Vette
Single dude trying to score a MILF -> M3
Post Baby daddy I hate my life -> CRV
Find a mistress -> Mercedes GT-R
Pre-nup negotiations -> used Civic
Marriage -> Suburban
Divorce -> used Altima
Single -> 911
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 10:30:59 AM
Have you confused who has said what ITT to this point? You realize you're the guy bragging about your "rugged" SUV driving on a beach with a CRV on it. I've driven on beach before and never felt the need to post about it :huh:
Ohhh... Did you go beach crawling at Daytona following a convertible Mustang GT?
I once made it too AND from a grocery store with my wimpy unibody SUV. I was sweating the 3 gallons of milk though - damn things are heavy! Good thing I have a tow package.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 09:59:13 AM
That you need contemplate gap insurance tells me regardless, you bought more car than you can objectively afford. Letting that slip was -100 internetry.
He can afford it, he was just covering his spread. Lol @ a finance guy not knowing about arbitrage
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
Can I ask if you use low range on the 4Runner to cross all puddles, or just the ones bigger then a cup of water?
Where I come from that could be construed as an anti-gay slur: puddle-jumpers = gentlemen who are good with colors, style conscious, know what's in their flowerbeds, avoid walking through puddles, etc.
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 08, 2018, 10:42:41 AM
Where I come from that could be construed as an anti-gay slur: puddle-jumpers = gentlemen who are good with colors, style conscious, know what's in their flowerbeds, avoid walking through puddles, etc.
Hmm did not know this.
What would Lebowski recommend for such an individual - Mercedes G-Wagon?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:35:37 AM
-continued Lebowski Guidelines-
Single dude with a small cock -> Vette
Single dude trying to score a MILF -> M3
Post Baby daddy I hate my life -> CRV
Find a mistress -> Mercedes GT-R
Pre-nup negotiations -> used Civic
Marriage -> Suburban
Divorce -> used Altima
Single -> 911
Now you're just being rude.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 10:40:57 AM
He can afford it, he was just covering his spread. Lol @ a finance guy not knowing about arbitrage
Rotor is smarter than both the banks and the insurance cos.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:35:37 AM
-continued Lebowski Guidelines-
Single dude with a small cock -> Vette
Single dude trying to score a MILF -> M3
Post Baby daddy I hate my life -> CRV
Find a mistress -> Mercedes GT-R
Pre-nup negotiations -> used Civic
Marriage -> Suburban
Divorce -> used Altima
Single -> 911
Where is the "Try to impress your kids and hope they think you're cool stage"?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
Ohhh... Did you go beach crawling at Daytona following a convertible Mustang GT?
I once made it too AND from a grocery store with my wimpy unibody SUV. I was sweating the 3 gallons of milk though - damn things are heavy! Good thing I have a tow package.
When you are passed on the beach by a paid-off FWD CRV driven by a multi millionaire female, do you yell "you're poor!" at her out the window while simultaneously cross shopping gap insurance quotes?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 10:35:37 AM
-continued Lebowski Guidelines-
Single dude with a small cock -> Vette
Single dude trying to score a MILF -> M3
Post Baby daddy I hate my life -> CRV
Find a mistress -> Mercedes GT-R
Pre-nup negotiations -> used Civic
Marriage -> Suburban
Divorce -> used Altima
Single -> 911
Common denominator: Mrs Rotor would take all of their sperm over yours.
I drove a FWD Minivan in the OBX one time. No problems. So Rugged.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 10:59:06 AM
Common denominator: Mrs Rotor would take all of their sperm over yours.
Have no doubts about it, I'm more then confident with the size of my wankle
Quote from: MrH on January 08, 2018, 10:56:48 AM
Where is the "Try to impress your kids and hope they think you're cool stage"?
That gets in the way of the prenup negotiations... Which of course is about money which of course is the most important thing in the world. Let's all just breathe a sigh of relief for Lebowskis's family that the Trump tax cuts will finally allow him to get married.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 11:21:34 AM
Have no doubts about it, I'm more then confident with the size of my
Given she married you it doesn't appear your wang is the problem, it's what you have to offer genetically that she'd rather take her chances from a pool of randoms.
Dude, this is getting way more personal (and hilarious) than I would have ever expected.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 08, 2018, 10:52:18 AM
Now you're just being rude.
Just Now? Have you been reading all the posts? :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 08, 2018, 11:21:06 AM
I drove a FWD Minivan in the OBX one time. No problems. So Rugged.
Just as an FYI, on any beach down there that could get you a fairly significant fine.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 11:21:34 AM
Have no doubts about it, I'm more then confident with the size of my wankle
Pics.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 08, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
Dude, this is getting way more personal (and hilarious) than I would have ever expected.
I'm starting to think they may be siblings.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 11:25:42 AM
Given she married you it doesn't appear your wang is the problem, it's what you have to offer genetically that she'd rather take her chances from a pool of randoms.
Wankel dude... Look it up... W-A-N-K-E-L
The size of my wankel.
Yeesh, if your really fixated on my junk though I can give you the name of a sweet woman thst lives really close to you who can describe it for you...
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 11:30:33 AM
Just as an FYI, on any beach down there that could get you a fairly significant fine.
Not when I was there. There were a decent amount of people driving on the beach up near the wildlife refuge
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 08, 2018, 11:30:58 AM
Pics.
I'll show you mine, now show me yours
(http://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/42/2003/01/112_0305_s-2004_mazda_rx-8-engine_view.jpg)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 08, 2018, 11:36:46 AM
Not when I was there. There were a decent amount of people driving on the beach up near the wildlife refuge
...You need a permit now... and they do vehicle inspections
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
W-A-N-K-E-L
You realize that's not what you typed in earlier post correct?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 11:40:44 AM
...You need a permit now... and they do vehicle inspections
BOGUS.
When I was there 2011 it was open up on the north end to anybody. Of course there was a towtruck sitting there waiting for n00bs to get stuck.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 08, 2018, 11:53:31 AM
BOGUS.
When I was there 2011 it was open up on the north end to anybody. Of course there was a towtruck sitting there waiting for n00bs to get stuck.
Well yea, Corolla you don't need a permit as it's not part of Hatteras National Seashore. But up there it's clearly marked "4WD Only" and your ass will get fined for getting a fwd minivan stuck
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 11:41:07 AM
You realize that's not what you typed in earlier post correct?
Please forgive my auto-correct oh high and mighty God
Seems we're getting multiple conflicting reports. Highly suspicious.
LOL. This shit is hilarious. :lol:
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 11:57:45 AM
Please forgive my auto-correct oh high and mighty God
Just saying if you're going to be a condescending twat and write it out in A-L-L C-A-P-S like it was obvious what you meant to say ... maybe look at the original post to check what you actually wrote. I can understand it must be hard to think clearly when you're this angry but come on.
TIL the difference between a wankle and a wankel.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
Just saying if you're going to be a condescending twat and write it out in A-L-L C-A-P-S like it was obvious what you meant to say ... maybe look at the original post to check what you actually wrote. I can understand it must be hard to think clearly when you're this angry but come on.
So your saying that you know what I meant, but are just trying to be a dick?
You don't need to try...
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 12:30:48 PM
So your saying that you know what I meant, but are just trying to be a dick?
You don't need to try...
No, I did not know what you meant, I went by context. If you're going to misspell shit don't be a condescending twat when people can't guess at what your misspelled words were getting at.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
No, I did not know what you meant, I went by context. If you're going to misspell shit don't be a condescending twat when people can't guess at what your misspelled words were getting at.
Maybe you should improve your car knowledge a bit - could lead to better purchasing decisions
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
Maybe you should improve your car knowledge a bit - could lead to better purchasing decisions
Wankel doesn't fit the context.
Nice to see you grasping onto this spelling over analysis as diversion to the suspicious conflicting reports about the Beach. If Will is to be believed it makes me doubt you've even taken the JGC on sand. PoseurSpin!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 08, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
Dude, this is getting way more personal (and hilarious) than I would have ever expected.
+1
This place needed some life. :popcorn:
Quote from: MrH on January 08, 2018, 01:15:51 PM
+1
This place needed some life. :popcorn:
No, I think this place needs a life... :lol:
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 12:53:01 PM
Wankel doesn't fit the context.
Nice to see you grasping onto this spelling over analysis as diversion to the suspicious conflicting reports about the Beach. If Will is to be believed it makes me doubt you've even taken the JGC on sand. PoseurSpin!
I'll pay for a pass for you and a CR-V as long as I get to record it and post on YouTube
https://www.recreation.gov/wildernessAreaDetails.do?page=detail&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70853
...and come on, "size of my wankel" is pure brilliance...
Nothing there says 4WD is required.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 01:29:44 PM
I'll pay for a pass for you and a CR-V as long as I get to record it and post on YouTube
https://www.recreation.gov/wildernessAreaDetails.do?page=detail&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70853
...and come on, "size of my wankel" is pure brilliance...
You seem to have and want videos of everyone driving on that beach but yourself. I don't think you've done it ... JGC break down on the way?
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 10:59:06 AM
Common denominator: Mrs Rotor would take all of their sperm over yours.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1cOmrnB2bDo/UF9P0q1yZvI/AAAAAAAADIw/4jwAmABdj6g/s320/Vince-McMahon-distraught.gif)
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
You seem to have and want videos of everyone driving on that beach but yourself. I don't think you've done it ... JGC break down on the way?
Why r0tor? Is that a 2011 Blackberry Pearl Jeep Grand Cherokee with off-road package on the beach?!?!
(http://i68.tinypic.com/vicvbm.jpg)
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 02:44:08 PM
Why r0tor? Is that a 2011 Blackberry Pearl Jeep Grand Cherokee with off-road package on the beach?!?!
[IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/vicvbm.jpg[/
Photochop. Plus a CRV, rav4, even a used fwd Lexus RX could all do that.
Maybe we need an angle that shows a 2011 Blackberry Pearl JGC with a slightly obscured PA license plate on the beach?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2hi5jbc.jpg)
I've seen golf carts in deeper sand than that.
Like artsy pics?
(http://i64.tinypic.com/fnts85.jpg)
UGh, and he is an HDR abuser :facepalm:
Artsy snow person?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/r94ab7.jpg)
Do I need to Photoshop any more pics for Leblowski?
Rugged!
Did you put the front wheel in the little drift to the side of the driveway just for picture taking porpoises?
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 03:05:19 PM
Artsy snow person?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/r94ab7.jpg)
That's "deep" snow? I've driven FWD cars with all seasons through deeper snow than that. Hell, I drove my 240SX (on all seasons) through snow that deep.
Quote from: MX793 on January 08, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
That's "deep" snow? I've driven FWD cars with all seasons through deeper snow than that. Hell, I drove my 240SX (on all seasons) through snow that deep.
Did I label it as deep snow or artsy? Can't remember...
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 03:06:29 PM
Rugged!
Come on... Let's see some pics or some massive Whole Foods hauls or large puddle crossings in your clearly needed rugged body on frame 4Runner
:popcorn:
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 02:53:35 PM
I've seen golf carts in deeper sand than that.
:lol: This made me LOL!!!!!
It's the damndest thing, everytime I drive through something sketchy, I don't stop in the middle of it, get out of the car, and take a picture
I'm sure many of our forum experts have done this.
"Sketchy"
Including the epic run to the mailbox during the blizzard of ought-six.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 03:41:01 PM
Come on... Let's see some pics or some massive Whole Foods hauls or large puddle crossings in your clearly needed rugged body on frame 4Runner
:popcorn:
Oh wait, I'm not the one chestpounding over imagined feats of exploration in my grocery getter nor is my self esteem wrapped up in a faux "rugged" image.
hahahahahahahahahahha good lord
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 04:39:47 PM
Oh wait, I'm not the one chestpounding over imagined feats of exploration in my grocery getter nor is my self esteem wrapped up in a faux "rugged" image.
Come on dude, at least a pic of an M3 speedo going like 70mph that *one* day you were really romping on it
Good news for Leblowski... He can sell the M3, 4Runner, and save money vs buying a CR-V and instead buy a nice used Corolla for his dog and groceries
They make great dog proof car seat covers!!!
Wooooooot!!!!! :pullover: :pullover: :pullover:
(http://i67.tinypic.com/nb6knl.png)
Look at that happy bitch!
http://wp.com/www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CC-176-171-900.jpg
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 04:39:47 PM
Oh wait, I'm not the one chestpounding over imagined feats of exploration in my grocery getter nor is my self esteem wrapped up in a faux "rugged" image.
No your just the average financial genious that blew $200k plus on completely unpractical for your needds vehicles and wants to give out buying advice and lectures about being practical and living within ones means.
:cheers:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 08, 2018, 04:08:46 PM
"Sketchy"
Including the epic run to the mailbox during the blizzard of ought-six.
That would be epic! Do you have a pic?!?!
The Leblowski recommend vehicle for that situation is a team of 12 sled dogs sporting custom horween leather collars and a CR-V to drive them around in.
Linky no worky
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 05:05:11 PM
That would be epic! Do you have a pic?!?!
The Leblowski recommend vehicle for that situation is a team of 12 sled dogs sporting custom horween leather collars and a CR-V to drive them around in.
No, unfortunately it's never occurred to me to stop, walk out and take a picture of my vehicle at the end of my driveway because I felt it would be either "artsy" or prove I use my rugged vehicle in a manly way.
Any more than it's occurred to me to try and feel superior over anybody who doesn't.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 04:54:20 PM
Good news for Leblowski... He can sell the M3, 4Runner, and save money vs buying a CR-V and instead buy a nice used Corolla for his dog and groceries
They make great dog proof car seat covers!!!
Wooooooot!!!!! :pullover: :pullover: :pullover:
Does the Corolla fit 2 large dogs, 4 people, a car seat, stroller, and luggage?
I understand your confusion given you bought the one SUV with less space than a small sedan, the rest of the SUVs on the mkt including small CRV sized CUVs have more space
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
No your just the average financial genious that blew $200k plus on completely unpractical for your needds vehicles and wants to give out buying advice and lectures about being practical and living within ones means.
:cheers:
Living below ones means isn't defined by absolutes like I spent $x on a car, it's defined by things like savings rates and growth of net worth. That you tell yourself lies like "I finance cars so I can invest" and must consider things like gap insurance tells us you bought too much car (but deep down you know that hence all this rage at someone trading down their vehicle)
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 05:16:36 PM
Does the Corolla fit 2 large dogs, 4 people, a car seat, stroller, and luggage?
I understand your confusion given you bought the one SUV with less space than a small sedan, the rest of the SUVs on the mkt including small CRV sized CUVs have more space
Oh fuck, let's see some pics of that!!!!
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
Living below ones means isn't defined by absolutes like I spent $x on a car, it's defined by things like savings rates and growth of net worth. That you tell yourself lies like "I finance cars so I can invest" and must consider things like gap insurance tells us you bought too much car (but deep down you know that hence all this rage at someone trading down their vehicle)
So what does it feel like anyway when you think your going to be all cool and blow $80k on an M3... and then read in every review it's the worst M3 of all time and all the cool people laugh at you for buying a turd? I can only imagine...
Thank God you paid cash for it though and didn't make like 40% over the last 3 years on that money in something like a lame ass index fund. Lock in those losses baby!
Oh and can Leblowski please explain the virtues of buying a car with a strong resale value again.. I'm not sure how it works when a JGC has terrible resale but lost lesd money in 7 years then his 3 year old car he no longer wants.
How does that work again? Or is that just another tired case of Leblowski not practicing what he preaches while talking down to everyone who isn't a millionaire
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 04:57:51 PM
Look at that happy bitch!
http://wp.com/www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CC-176-171-900.jpg
Broken link, good job
Jesus Christ, you guys.
https://youtu.be/IKqVCu1Mn-I
So is a tow strap hooked to an old 4Runner a factory or dealer installed option?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 06:00:51 PM
Broken link, good job
That's ashame.. it was a really sweet looking poodle in an awesome Corolla
https://youtu.be/YXhEea4KfQs
Hmm... I think the tow strap option hooked to an ancient 4Runner is slightly more attractive then the tow strap option that gets attached to a work van.
All future CRV buyers take note :hmm:
I'm starting to think there might be a strong market for designer tow straps for CR-Vs
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 05:41:55 PM
So what does it feel like anyway when you think your going to be all cool and blow $80k on an M3... and then read in every review it's the worst M3 of all time and all the cool people laugh at you for buying a turd? I can only imagine...
Thank God you paid cash for it though and didn't make like 40% over the last 3 years on that money in something like a lame ass index fund. Lock in those losses baby!
Well first off as a 37 y/o man I havent thought or worried about being cool in about 2 decades. If you're over the age of about 20 and think you're cool, you're probably a loser, and one w/ some self image issues to boot.
M3 isn't a bad car or a turd, I lost interest and my needs changed (that tends to happen when people go from single guy to family of four).
That's wonderful - as already covered I don't buy equities with borrowed money, and if having that extra mkt exposure was that important to me I'd have simply bought a cheaper car.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 05:57:11 PM
Oh and can Leblowski please explain the virtues of buying a car with a strong resale value again.. I'm not sure how it works when a JGC has terrible resale but lost lesd money in 7 years then his 3 year old car he no longer wants.
How does that work again? Or is that just another tired case of Leblowski not practicing what he preaches while talking down to everyone who isn't a millionaire
Meh, if kbb is right retaining >70% of value over three years isn't too bad ... the real factor is keeping a car for only 3 years but as covered that wasn't the intention nor is that the norm for me.
That said ... yeah, I don't think I'll be buying another new high end car anytime soon. Having two comfortable, practical, reliable vehicles that meet all our needs and the value of each representing <1% of our net worth is a nice feeling, I don't see any reason to change that ratio.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
Well first off as a 37 y/o man I havent thought or worried about being cool in about 2 decades. If you're over the age of about 20 and think you're cool, you're probably a loser, and one w/ some self image issues to boot.
Yea... A Vette and an M3 for a self proclaimed "non-enthusiast" screams this
:wtf:
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
M3 isn't a bad car or a turd, I lost interest and my needs changed (that tends to happen when people go from single guy to family of four).
Stop the presses, a 4 door mid sized sedan is not capable of handling a family of 4
Another chapter in the Leblowski Car advice guide
Let's see some pics of an overcrowded 3er!!!!
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
Meh, if kbb is right retaining >70% of value over three years isn't too bad ... the real factor is keeping a car for only 3 years but as covered that wasn't the intention nor is that the norm for me.
That said ... yeah, I don't think I'll be buying another new high end car anytime soon. Having two comfortable, practical, reliable vehicles that meet all our needs and the value of each representing <1% of our net worth is a nice feeling, I don't see any reason to change that ratio.
Your right, losing the same amount of money in depreciation in 3 years as the car you want to replace it with screams pure "WINN!!!!"
I hope to never win that much.
Hey, I'm 43. Are you telling me I can't be cool anymore?
Fack.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 06:53:01 PM
I hope to never win that much.
I don't think you have anything to worry about.
I like for every single response from Lebowski, we get a rapid fire, half page of responses from r0tor :lol:
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 06:58:20 PM
I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Your right, I have waayy to much common sense to be that stupid
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 08, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
Hey, I'm 43. Are you telling me I can't be cool anymore?
Fack.
At that age it's referred to as eccentric.
At my age it's early onset dementia.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 08, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
Hey, I'm 43. Are you telling me I can't be cool anymore?
Fack.
Your of parenting age... You need to teach your children how to waste as much money as possible to look boring
Set an example damn it :shakesfist:
Quote from: MrH on January 08, 2018, 07:02:55 PM
I like for every single response from Lebowski, we get a rapid fire, half page of responses from r0tor :lol:
At this point he has put about 5x as much thought into my car purchases as I have. He past the point of "obsession" a long time ago.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 07:05:55 PM
Your of parenting age... You need to teach your children how to waste as much money as possible to look boring
Set an example damn it :shakesfist:
Oh don't worry. I waste plenty of money on my children.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 07:03:18 PM
Your right, I have waayy to much common sense to be that stupid
Absolutely correct. You're very stable and very smart ... a very stable genius.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 08, 2018, 07:05:54 PM
At that age it's referred to as eccentric.
At my age it's early onset dementia.
I can be happy with eccentric. Thought that was my dad though.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 08, 2018, 07:07:59 PM
Oh don't worry. I waste plenty of money on my children.
Oh dear... Don't let Leblowski hear that you waste money. His children will be raised of gruel just to prove a point.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 07:08:42 PM
Absolutely correct. You're very stable and very smart ... a very stable genius.
Hey you sound like Trump!!! Are you actually Trump and just playing out another one of your batshit crazy personalities?
...all this money obsession now makes so much sense...
...Leblowski Guide to not looking cool...
Buy as much of a flashy posermobile as you can possibly afford. Then proclaim you bought it because you were trying to not be cool - which is actually subzero super cool
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 07:13:02 PM
Hey you sound like Trump!!! Are you actually Trump and just playing out another one of your batshit crazy personalities?
...all this money obsession now makes so much sense...
Sort of, except I said "you" referring to your Trumpish tendancy to proclaim how much common sense you have, dumbass.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 07:17:00 PM
...Leblowski Guide to not looking cool...
Buy as much of a flashy posermobile as you can possibly afford. Then proclaim you bought it because you were trying to not be cool - which is actually subzero super cool
Believe it or not some people buy things because they like or want them, with zero thought as to whether it makes them cool. And zero thought does not mean "ooh I think this will purposely make me UNcool".
And no, you don't need to be a level 12.5 on a 10.0 "enthusiast" scale* to like or want something.
*where 10.0 means you do a track day once every 6 1/2 years.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 07:10:24 PM
Oh dear... Don't let Leblowski hear that you waste money. His children will be raised of gruel just to prove a point.
Yeah I've never said anything remotely like that :huh:
So what was it about the Vette and M3 that appeals so much to a non-enthusiast?
The bad ride? Bad gas mileage? I'd ask maybe if it wad brilliant packaging efficiency, but apparently the 4 door 3 series can't fit 2 adults and 2 kids.
Hmm if I wasn't an enthusiast and didn't care about image, then why would I drop the extra $40k over a base model 3er? Let's see... Not any more practical. Not any more luxurious . Its definitely more flashy. It's definitely louder and draws more attention. Higher running costs.... Oh, maybe that $40k was worth it for the slightly cooler looking front bumper!!! That's got to be it!!!
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Yeah I've never said anything remotely like that :huh:
Right, because you first need to buy some gormet take out and throw it away before starting them on gruel... But not organic gruel. God no, organics are for people who waste money and want to show off.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 07:24:23 PM
Sort of, except I said "you" referring to your Trumpish tendancy to proclaim how much common sense you have, dumbass.
So your claiming I just spread some False News???? :popcorn:
Do like tweeting too???
Pumpkins! Do pumpkins secretly turn you on????
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
So what was it about the Vette and M3 that appeals so much to a non-enthusiast?
The bad ride? Bad gas mileage? I'd ask maybe if it wad brilliant packaging efficiency, but apparently the 4 door 3 series can't fit 2 adults and 2 kids.
Hmm if I wasn't an enthusiast and didn't care about image, then why would I drop the extra $40k over a base model 3er? Let's see... Not any more practical. Not any more luxurious . Its definitely more flashy. It's definitely louder and draws more attention. Higher running costs.... Oh, maybe that $40k was worth it for the slightly cooler looking front bumper!!! That's got to be it!!!
This has been covered (all of this has really) in its own thread ... you can have an interest in something below the level of "enthusiast". I like and am interested in cars, as well as many other things, but am not what I would call an enthusiast and never claimed to be.
It would be stupid to say you need to be an "enthusiast" re every category people spend a discretionary dollar on (then again, your entire obsession/position here is incredibly stupid, as well as weird, have I mentioned your level of interest on this is fucking weird you must be a real chill non-controlling type).
Price diff isn't $40k, in fact a well equipped non-M 3-series was like $60k as I had it configured.
Quote from: r0tor on January 08, 2018, 07:43:55 PM
So your claiming I just spread some False News???? :popcorn:
Do like tweeting too???
Pumpkins! Do pumpkins secretly turn you on????
Nah, mainly just telling people how smart you are and a grossly inflated idea of the value/importance of your erroneous opinions.
What the fuck happened to this thread
Quote from: 2o6 on January 08, 2018, 10:40:12 PM
What the fuck happened to this thread
It got entertaining. Then it got a little cringey. But then it got entertaining again
Quote from: Lebowski on January 08, 2018, 08:47:35 PM
This has been covered (all of this has really) in its own thread ... you can have an interest in something below the level of "enthusiast". I like and am interested in cars, as well as many other things, but am not what I would call an enthusiast and never claimed to be.
It would be stupid to say you need to be an "enthusiast" re every category people spend a discretionary dollar on (then again, your entire obsession/position here is incredibly stupid, as well as weird, have I mentioned your level of interest on this is fucking weird you must be a real chill non-controlling type).
Price diff isn't $40k, in fact a well equipped non-M 3-series was like $60k as I had it configured.
It's an amazing fact, but BMW actually sells 3ers below hardcore enthusiast grade! Who the hell would have thought that?!?!?!
Sorry the difference is only $20k more. It's really not that much more to pay for a nicer bumper!!! It is halarious though coming from someone who thinks the world shouldn't drive anything more then a $25k CRV.
Quote from: r0tor on January 09, 2018, 04:47:36 AM
It's an amazing fact, but BMW actually sells 3ers below hardcore enthusiast grade! Who the hell would have thought that?!?!?!
Sorry the difference is only $20k more. It's really not that much more to pay for a nicer bumper!!! It is halarious though coming from someone who thinks the world shouldn't drive anything more then a $25k CRV.
Had I bought a regular 3er it be selling that today as well :huh:
Nope, still not at $20k your math still sucks.
Not everyone needs a CRV but most people spend way too much on cars (and as also covered, most people aren't just not enthusiasts most have very little to no interest in cars).
We keep going over the same info but we'll get you caught up yet Rotor.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 08, 2018, 10:40:12 PM
What the fuck happened to this thread
Rotor is extremely passionate about what my sig other drives (and apparently now to add, what my kids eat). Yeah, some people might find that weird, a little stalkerish even, but it's just Rotor being Rotor, he's an emotional trainwreck and prone to get angry over unimportant details of strangers' lives.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 09, 2018, 05:14:02 AM
Had I bought a regular 3er it be selling that today as well :huh:
Nope, still not at $20k your math still sucks.
Not everyone needs a CRV but most people spend way too much on cars (and as also covered, most people aren't just not enthusiasts most have very little to no interest in cars).
We keep going over the same info but we'll get you caught up yet Rotor.
WTF dude... You couldn't get a 3er for less than $60?
Here is a loaded M sport AWD wagon... Think of the milfs you could have gone cruising for with your dogs at whole foods in that thing!!!
(http://i63.tinypic.com/w9u0dd.png)
My math is clearly terrible
Hey, there's no reason to disparage the MILFs at Whole Foods in this thread.
Quote from: r0tor on January 09, 2018, 05:51:51 AM
WTF dude... You couldn't get a 3er for less than $60?
I didn't say you can't, I said the way I configured it came out to $60k+.
This goes back to the underlying point of you don't get to dictate other people's preferences, wants, or needs. Your obsession with telling me what I or my family are allowed to want is not a normal thing.
For example, I wouldn't deign to tell you you can't buy an SUV with a tiny interior to drive in snow that passenger cars are perfectly capable of handling. Stop and take an "artistic" (bad art can still be called art I suppose) picture to document your make believe ruggedness for all I care. Just make sure you finance the car so you can invest the spread.
$60k? Damn, you must have loaded tons of frivolous stuff a non-enthusiast would never need. That does not sound too responsible at all!! :hmm:
It does do a great job at trying to justify an expensive poser purchase though :wanker:
Quote from: r0tor on January 09, 2018, 08:20:12 AM
$60k? Damn, you must have loaded tons of frivolous stuff a non-enthusiast would never need. That does not sound too responsible at all!! :hmm:
It does do a great job at trying to justify an expensive poser purchase though :wanker:
There's a like 3 1/2 year old build thread, why don't you direct your erroneous comments on how I should have configured a car
three years ago there. I can only hope they'll be as intelligent and insightful as "replace the 4Runner you said you both like with an X1 that can't even fit the four of you + 2 dogs".
I need a drink..................
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 09, 2018, 04:31:34 PM
I need a drink..................
Might I suggest a gin and tonic?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 09, 2018, 04:34:54 PM
Might I suggest a gin and tonic?
Wild Turkey 101 is my drink of choice! :partyon: :rockon: