So i noticed Subaru has a blazing deal on the base Imprezza 2.5i model. Leases are running for $199 a month while a WRX lease is $339 a month. Add in the insurance cost difference between the two and after 3 years your literally paying 2x as much for the WRX as you are the 2.5i. Now obviously nearly no performance minded buyer would settle for the 2.5i over a WRX unless they were strapped for cash. But for a person who wants a sporty AWD daily runabout, is the 2.5i with a 5 speed manual at all entertaining enough to keep an enthusiast's attention?
I remember I drove an old 2.5RS in the day and those things were failrly entertaining in their time. I believe however they were significantly quicker thanks to lower weight and handled pretty decently thanks to a nice sporty suspension - something you don't really get anymore in the new 2.5i.
I heard Jeep was having a sale on Compasses... Buy one, get one free.
Buy an 06' WRX, you will be far more happy.
Quote from: Submariner on July 20, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
Buy an 06' WRX, you will be far more happy.
We aren't talking about the '08 WRX, bud. The '09 is supposed to be quite a bit of fun.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 20, 2009, 12:27:01 PM
We aren't talking about the '08 WRX, bud. The '09 is supposed to be quite a bit of fun.
But he says it's too expensive. So sub suggested he get a used 06. What don't you get about that?
Quote from: MrH on July 20, 2009, 12:46:51 PM
But he says it's too expensive. So sub suggested he get a used 06. What don't you get about that?
suppose you wanted the versatility of a hatchback for a new homeowners trips to home depot...
Quote from: r0tor on July 20, 2009, 12:49:11 PM
suppose you wanted the versatility of a hatchback for a new homeowners trips to home depot...
Used WRX Wagon.
Quote from: r0tor on July 20, 2009, 12:50:54 PM
...but have no love for wagons...
So you wouldn't take the much better looking WRX Wagon over the WRX hatch?
Quote from: thecarnut on July 20, 2009, 01:23:38 PM
So you wouldn't take the much better looking WRX Wagon over the WRX hatch?
looks are subjective...
Quote from: r0tor on July 20, 2009, 12:49:11 PM
suppose you wanted the versatility of a hatchback for a new homeowners trips to home depot...
(http://www.9motors.com/images/saab92x.jpg)
oh christ its the saabaru
Quote from: r0tor on July 20, 2009, 12:49:11 PM
suppose you wanted the versatility of a hatchback for a new homeowners trips to home depot...
Get an old beater pickup truck.
Quote from: MrH on July 20, 2009, 12:46:51 PM
But he says it's too expensive. So sub suggested he get a used 06. What don't you get about that?
forgive me, reading comprehension was at a low when that post was made.
Bah! Do yourself a favor and look for a Rabbit instead. It has all the practicality you need and none of that sissiness of AWD. AWD is for people who can't drive and want to be sedated from the road.
The Rabbit is a better car, and it has a better interior, too.
Quote from: the Teuton on July 20, 2009, 04:28:43 PM
Bah! Do yourself a favor and look for a Rabbit instead. It has all the practicality you need and none of that sissiness of AWD. AWD is for people who can't drive and want to be sedated from the road.
The Rabbit is a better car, and it has a better interior, too.
sigged
Quote from: NACar on July 20, 2009, 04:15:09 PM
Get an old beater pickup truck.
+1
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/1276752844.html
That kind of truck will put hair on your chest.
Well, if you want sporty and AWD, you're probably not looking at the 2.5i.
Quote from: r0tor on July 20, 2009, 12:50:54 PM
...but have no love for wagons...
So you don't like the good looking wagon but like the hideous hatch? Get a rack and a box.
No accounting for taste, I suppose. In any case, if you're going from the RX-8 to the 2.5i, you'll probably be bored within two minutes. I don't think the 2.5i was updated much from 2008 to 2009, and the 2008 WRX was a steaming shitpile, so I doubt the 2.5i is even that good.
Best way to find out if you'll like it is to drive it.
Quote from: r0tor on July 20, 2009, 01:35:37 PM
looks are subjective...
I suppose.
Still the wagon is much more practical than the hatch.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19340.msg1118075#msg1118075 date=1248129551
He's right, you know.
About AWD in general? Ummmm lets not get into that...
About Rabbit>Impreza 2.5i? Yeah.
But him being right isn't why I sigged that.
I think I'd like AWD. We've had record low temps this summer, so this winter is likely to be hell.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 20, 2009, 04:42:46 PM
I think I'd like AWD. We've had record low temps this summer, so this winter is likely to be hell.
I don't care for your climatological forecast.
Quote from: NACar on July 20, 2009, 04:44:29 PM
I don't care for your climatological forecast.
I don't either, but I think Al Gore's post global warming ice age is finally here.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 20, 2009, 04:50:47 PM
I don't either, but I think Al Gore's post global warming ice age is finally here.
In that case, you had better hope for an AWD Prius.
hitch + small trailer ftw
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 20, 2009, 04:31:31 PM
+1
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/1276752844.html
That kind of truck will put hair on your chest.
Don't forget the mandatory shotgun to put next to you on the seat.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 20, 2009, 04:42:46 PM
I think I'd like AWD. We've had record low temps this summer, so this winter is likely to be hell.
yes, this is the 3rd coldest summer ever in the northeast. The top 3 previous record cold summers all had enormous amounts of snow the following winter.....
I'll take a snowy winter over an oppressive summer. But, you know, I'm a man, so I'm not wishing I had AWD or anything.
:evildude:
I wouldn't touch the 2.5i with a stick, personally. But since it's a second car for you... maybe. Don't expect mind-blowing performance in any way.
I've sat back on this one for a while, so here's my response:
The 2.5i is a solidly good, but absolutely ordinary car that gets below-average fuel economy. It's nimble and refined for its class, but it's not anything special.
The WRX is a much better car for someone in love with performance. Subaru's service when it comes to maintenance issues has also been top-notch from what I understand. There have been teething problems with the newer cars and their transmissions, and Subaru has delivered excellent service, so I wouldn't cast doubt on the car for a second. It's supposedly a hoot to drive by comparison. But it doesn't look like a proper WRX.
My happy medium, being the pragmatist that I am, would be to find a gently used 2007 WRX. From there, have at it! The suspension is a much more similar design to to the 1993-2001 and 2002-2007 models, so there are a metric shit-ton of parts out there for it. And the interior really isn't as bad as everyone says it is. It's actually pretty nice.
If you get the CPO warranty with it, it'd be an outstanding buy.
If you're going to get a 2007 WRX, might as well save some money and get the slightly nicer 9-2x.
Quote from: TBR on July 26, 2009, 07:06:53 PM
If you're going to get a 2007 WRX, might as well save some money and get the slightly nicer 9-2x.
If you like the wagon body style (I know I do), then yeah, it rocks. It's a little slower and heavier, though, because of all of the added sound deadening, but it's nothing a few Cobb bits and pieces couldn't fix.
Quote from: the Teuton on July 26, 2009, 07:09:54 PM
If you like the wagon body style (I know I do), then yeah, it rocks. It's a little slower and heavier, though, because of all of the added sound deadening, but it's nothing a few Cobb bits and pieces couldn't fix.
The wagon is also more prone to oversteer than the sedan is.
So my urge for a AWD vehicle thats decent on gas and has some good utility for Home Depot runs (for the upcomming house) is growing... and I keep coming back to frikkin subaru
- Looked at a 4 banger AWD Ford Escape... no 4 bangers anywhere
- Looked for a 4 banger Ford Ranger 4x4... no 4 bangers anywhere
- Looked for a 4 banger Taco 4x4... notice a trend with no 4 bangers anywhere
- Went back to subaru... The new Forester is OK - but would rather go for a WRX for the price
... just noticed for 2010 I could order a 2.5i 5 door with a stick, STi springs front and rear, short throw shifter, heated seats/mirrors for about $20k or a 42 month lease for <$200 a month...
Are we talking about the SPT suspension when you mention STI springs?
Nope, STi springs
... reminds me of a factory optioned new school 2.5RS...
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 08:21:04 AM
Nope, STi springs
That's a cool option then.
But I'm not sure how you'd feel about 8-second 0-60 times, especially with the RX as your dd right now. It's just a bit slowish.
It'd be a hoot in the winter, though.
That 2.5i with suspension work might be nice, but when it comes time for me to pick between the naturally aspirated Outback and the WRX, I pick the WRX every time. The difference in fuel economy just isn't sufficient to worry about it much. Now the n/a Impreza might be a little better than our Outback due to being possibly lighter, but both our cars net about 20-21mpg in mostly city traffic. I'll take the extra power in that case, thanks.
meh,
between the fuel mileage difference (10%), the fuel type difference( premium vs regular = 20%), increased price (~$200 a month), and increased insurance costs I think a WRX upgrade is around $300-400 a month for my snow and home depot beater...
They are running some pretty good deals on some vehicles right now. They knocking 3k off any Grand Vitara right now. 4x4 4-banger will net you 22 mpg combined. A Vitara Premium with 4x4 and stick will net you 18,500 after rebates without any extra goodies. I bet the dealers are knocking even more off the bottom line. I think 17k for a Vitara as a real possibility. Mostly all Chrysler products are discounted to the hills.
Most hatches in the class do not offer AWD or 4WD. I'd look at an Outback if they were running any deals on them. I saw one the other day and it looks sharp. The Impreza seems underwhelming if not affordable. I'd also say look at a SX4, but the current engine is gutless. They are putting in a new engine for 2010 that puts out more power likely to shave a second off the 0-60 time. It's cheap, fun, and has a 3-mode AWD system (2WD, AWD, and 4WD) that will probably have deals on it considering its a Suzuki, but if you want the new engine, you'll have to wait.
2010 SX4. Interior adds new door armrests and slight changes to the instrument cluster and climate controls.
(http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Suzuki/2010-Suzuki-SX4-2.jpg)
(http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Suzuki/2010-Suzuki-SX4-4.jpg)
(http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Suzuki/2010-Suzuki-SX4-5.jpg)
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2009/09/02/SX4_Sportback_SS07_800_540x360.jpg)
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2009/09/02/SX4_Sportback_SS09_800_540x360.jpg)
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 09:23:37 AM
meh,
between the fuel mileage difference (10%), the fuel type difference( premium vs regular = 20%), increased price (~$200 a month), and increased insurance costs I think a WRX upgrade is around $300-400 a month for my snow and home depot beater...
Well yeah, in that case I guess the case for the 2.5i is very strong. Go for it!
GRAND VITARA FTW. Get a 4-banger with a real can-you-believe-anyone-still-makes-one 2-speed transfer case for towing those really heavy Home Depot loads up to the tops of mountains.
No doubt go for the WRX. If the 09/10 is actually better than the 08 (I suspect it is not), which was better the 2.5i, then the 2.5i must have been among the worst pieces of shit made.
But if you're looking for an occasional use car vs. a true RX-8 replacement, get a used car.
keeping the 8 for 2 more years until the engine warranty is out
Quote from: Raza on October 08, 2009, 10:49:17 AM
No doubt go for the WRX. If the 09/10 is actually better than the 08 (I suspect it is not), which was better the 2.5i, then the 2.5i must have been among the worst pieces of shit made.
But if you're looking for an occasional use car vs. a true RX-8 replacement, get a used car.
I agree completely. A 2007 WRX would fit the bill very nicely, and the old wagons had more space in them than the new hatches behind the seat.
While I refuse to argue against an WRX, I am skeptical of its Home Depot cargo carrying capabilities.
Another possibility would be a used Legacy 2.5GT wagon, which would have more space than either Impreza generation.
Quote from: ifcar on October 08, 2009, 10:55:19 AM
Another possibility would be a used Legacy 2.5GT wagon, which would have more space than either Impreza generation.
You mean Forester? No, Tribeca!
i have an large dislike for wagons
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 10:51:35 AM
keeping the 8 for 2 more years until the engine warranty is out
Try #2 (server was too busy last time...)
If you want a beater, then buy a beater. If you want a car to replace your RX-8, then wait two years and replace your RX-8. It doesn't make sense to buy a car now to replace your car in two years. An old enough/cheap enough occasional use car will lose little value in relation to its purchase price, whereas a brand new car will lose a great deal of value at full cost. Furthermore, if you intend to replace your RX-8 in the future with a car leased now, you do face the possibility of being unsatisfied with the car (the dissatisfaction mitigated by the fact you still have the RX-8 at the momeny) when the RX-8 goes away.
Get a STi!
problem with used is...
- there are no used AWD hatches
-> that pushes me to an SUV/light truck
-> I can't find any 4 banger SUVs/light trucks in the area
-> that pushes me to a V6 and/or worse gas mileage then the RX8
-> that forces me to actually want to drive that vehicle maybe 20 times a year... which means its only taking up space and costing insurance money
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 11:21:04 AM
problem with used is...
- there are no used AWD hatches
Sure there are. They current Impreza is in its third year.
Quote from: NomisR on October 08, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
Get a STi!
there is a blue 2008 CPO STi with gold BBS wheel and navi sitting on a dealer lot since April.... i checked the insurance company and the rates are horrendous
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 11:21:04 AM
problem with used is...
- there are no used AWD hatches
-> that pushes me to an SUV/light truck
-> I can't find any 4 banger SUVs/light trucks in the area
-> that pushes me to a V6 and/or worse gas mileage then the RX8
-> that forces me to actually want to drive that vehicle maybe 20 times a year... which means its only taking up space and costing insurance money
I've seen plenty of used Evo and STi for sale here. Evo VIII or Evo IX would make a great winter beater car, same with a STi
Quote from: ifcar on October 08, 2009, 11:21:50 AM
Sure there are. They current Impreza is in its third year.
a new lease will be probably the same or cheaper then getting a 1 year old car and selling it in 3.5 years
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 11:22:17 AM
there is a blue 2008 CPO STi with gold BBS wheel and navi sitting on a dealer lot since April.... i checked the insurance company and the rates are horrendous
Compared to the Rx8, yeah anything is horrendous. For some reason, the Rx8 gets awesome rates
Quote from: NomisR on October 08, 2009, 11:22:51 AM
I've seen plenty of used Evo and STi for sale here. Evo VIII or Evo IX would make a great winter beater car, same with a STi
they don't have anymore home depot space then my 8...
So you're open to hatches, but not wagons. Okay, that's fine.
You don't want to buy a used car because you want to get a car with better mileage than your RX-8, but you want an AWD car. That makes a lot of sense.
You're set on AWD, but you've been driving a RWD car through winters for however long. Okay.
Your fate is yours. If you want it, get it, but it doesn't make financial sense to me.
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 11:24:07 AM
they don't have anymore home depot space then my 8...
That's what roof racks are for!
Quote from: NomisR on October 08, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
Compared to the Rx8, yeah anything is horrendous. For some reason, the Rx8 gets awesome rates
since I had the first rx8 in the area, the Rx8 wan't in the insurance database - so I got rates based on a 4 door 1.3L normally aspirated car :rastaman:
Quote from: Raza on October 08, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
You're set on AWD, but you've been driving a RWD car through winters for however long. Okay.
this will be winter number 6... its a bit hair raising normally, my snow tires are shot, and I'm moving further into the mountains now
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 11:03:19 AM
i have an large dislike for wagons
How are you going to carry anything that you wouldn't otherwise be able to carry in the wrecks8? Wagon or pickup.... ?
Quote from: NACar on October 08, 2009, 11:29:35 AM
How are you going to carry anything that you wouldn't otherwise be able to carry in the wrecks8? Wagon or pickup.... ?
the 8's rear seat do not fold, the center pass thru is about 6 inches wide, and the trunk opening is about 10 inches deep.
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 11:27:33 AM
this will be winter number 6... its a bit hair raising normally, my snow tires are shot, and I'm moving further into the mountains now
Okay, with that bit of information, I understand the want for AWD. I'd still look at a hawkeye wagon over the 08+ WRX hatches. Now if you could get a used 08 STI, that would be a slightly different story; they are pumped up to the point of looking okay, but, as I recall, there's a big strut brace in the boot (like the one in the 350Z) that eats up a lot of cargo space.
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 11:32:30 AM
the 8's rear seat do not fold, the center pass thru is about 6 inches wide, and the trunk opening is about 10 inches deep.
The ratio of price:utility of a new WRX is quite high. I recommend getting the WRX for it's own purposes, but also picking up a used Ford Taurus Wagon, removing the rear seats, and using it only for your building supply runs.
Quote from: NomisR on October 08, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
Compared to the Rx8, yeah anything is horrendous. For some reason, the Rx8 gets awesome rates
It's a 4-door, 4-seater sedan for all intents and purposes.
Quote from: the Teuton on October 08, 2009, 11:38:13 AM
It's a 4-door, 4-seater sedan for all intents and purposes.
With a tiny engine, too.
Quote from: the Teuton on October 08, 2009, 11:38:13 AM
It's a 4-door, 4-seater sedan for all intents and purposes.
yeah, 1.3L engine to boot. The insurance for that thing was better than the RDX, the RSX, and Elise. I miss that car..
Quote from: NACar on October 08, 2009, 11:36:50 AM
The ratio of price:utility of a new WRX is quite high. I recommend getting the WRX for it's own purposes, but also picking up a used Ford Taurus Wagon, removing the rear seats, and using it only for your building supply runs.
??
You can get minivans more dependable and spacious than a wagon.
Easier to take the seats out, too.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 08, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
??
You can get minivans more dependable and spacious than a wagon.
Easier to take the seats out, too.
Yeah, but Ford Tauri are way cooler. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ifcar on October 08, 2009, 10:55:19 AM
Another possibility would be a used Legacy 2.5GT wagon, which would have more space than either Impreza generation.
Or sedan; the refinement gulf between the Impreza and Legacy is much larger than the price difference would suggest.
It should be really easy to get a 2-3 year old Legacy GT sedan for well under $20k...
Quote from: GoCougs on October 08, 2009, 01:00:23 PM
It should be really easy to get a 2-3 year old Legacy GT sedan for well under $20k...
with a slushbox... very easy
with a stick.... next to impossible
can the trunk swallow a bag of cement?
The old Legacy has one of the smallest trunks of any recent sedan.
The back seat could easily hold the cement, though.
...i shake my fist at mazda for never selling in the US the AWD Mazda 3 they have in other parts of the world...
When I worked a wallfart, a guy came in for service with a fairly new Camry sedan (<30k miles IIRC) (perhaps it was a flat repair?). He worked construction, and the thing was completely trashed. The interior and exterior were in horrible condition, and it looked like the car had more like 200k on it. I assumed he must have inherited it, or won it in some contest, because nobody with their head screwed on straight would buy a brand new sedan for the purposes of hauling building supplies, when there are literally millions of trucks and vans to choose from.
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
with a slushbox... very easy
with a stick.... next to impossible
can the trunk swallow a bag of cement?
You mean a standard 90 lb bag? What car couldn't take one of those?
Seems to me like the obvious thing is to get a beater for winter/hauling purposes, but keep DDing the RX-8 the rest of the time. Then replace the RX-8 with something with AWD in a couple of years.
Toyota hardbody for beater/home despot duties?
Quote from: R-inge on October 08, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
Toyota hardbody for beater/home despot duties?
Wasn't it the Nissan Hardbody and the Toyota Truck?
Quote from: TBR on October 08, 2009, 02:11:26 PM
Wasn't it the Nissan Hardbody and the Toyota Truck?
Neither one of them are hardbodies around here. They're all rusted out. :lol:
Quote from: TBR on October 08, 2009, 02:11:26 PM
Wasn't it the Nissan Hardbody and the Toyota Truck?
Yeah I guess I got them confused. :lol:
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
with a slushbox... very easy
with a stick.... next to impossible
can the trunk swallow a bag of cement?
How big are bags of cement?
Quote from: r0tor on October 08, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
with a slushbox... very easy
with a stick.... next to impossible
can the trunk swallow a bag of cement?
KBB shows private party value of $18k for an '06...
Most any car with a trunk can hold a bad of cement. You're probably best off getting a class I hitch and a $1,000 light duty utility trailer IMO...
Quote from: Raza on October 08, 2009, 02:25:25 PM
How big are bags of cement?
A MKIII MR2 could carry four or five bags.
Get an '04 STi
What would be your fun car? Don't say what I think you will...
Why are people telling him to get a high performance sports sedan for his winter beater/errands car? :confused:
Quote from: R-inge on October 08, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Why are people telling him to get a high performance sports sedan for his winter beater/errands car? :confused:
It was r0tor's brilliant idea / excuse to buy a WRX.
Quote from: NACar on October 08, 2009, 08:17:55 PM
It was r0tor's brilliant idea / excuse to buy a WRX.
I had assumed he was at least thinking of the hatch, which is semi-practical.
Quote from: R-inge on October 08, 2009, 08:20:51 PM
I had assumed he was at least thinking of the hatch, which is semi-practical.
He "hates wagons".
Well in that case forget all this crap and get a 4x4 pickup.
haven't read this thread through but why not just get the 2.5i and boost it? If you need, get some WRX/STi components...
Quote from: SVT_Power on October 08, 2009, 08:47:58 PM
haven't read this thread through but why not just get the 2.5i and boost it? If you need, get some WRX/STi components...
Probably easier said than done.
I'm late to the thread but I'll add my 2 cents. As an owner of an '09 Legacy 2.5i I'd say you've gotta go with the WRX. Every time I merge onto the interstate I regret not springing for the LGT. As far as the trunk goes, yeah, it'll take a few bags of cement. But two large duffel bags pretty much fills it up.
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 08, 2009, 08:56:44 PM
Probably easier said than done.
well judging from the shear number of guys around me who have subies that are putting down more than 300hp, it can't be all that hard. And they all tell me the same thing - subie parts are ridiculously interchangable...
Quote from: SVT_Power on October 08, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
well judging from the shear number of guys around me who have subies that are putting down more than 300hp, it can't be all that hard. And they all tell me the same thing - subie parts are ridiculously interchangable...
Preach, brotha! Preach!
Quote from: SVT_Power on October 08, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
well judging from the shear number of guys around me who have subies that are putting down more than 300hp, it can't be all that hard. And they all tell me the same thing - subie parts are ridiculously interchangable...
Why not just get a WRX then? Come on folks, use common sense. A turbocharged 2.5i has the exact same drawbacks as a WRX (fuel economy, premium required, and price) with a couple of extra ones thrown in (reliability, voiding the warranty, and driveability).
Quote from: TBR on October 09, 2009, 09:24:56 AM
Why not just get a WRX then? Come on folks, use common sense. A turbocharged 2.5i has the exact same drawbacks as a WRX (fuel economy, premium required, and price) with a couple of extra ones thrown in (reliability, voiding the warranty, and driveability).
Yes, thank you.
Quote from: R-inge on October 08, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Why are people telling him to get a high performance sports sedan for his winter beater/errands car? :confused:
He is already looking at an WRX... bigger exhaust, ECU chip and I think he'd be making STi power. It would just ride stiffer and have harder tires (obviously among other things)
I say he ditches the RX-8 and gets something like a V8 S4 or something. He'll get everything in one swoop and not be paying $700-800 to finance the new car and insure both...
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 09, 2009, 06:54:18 PM
He is already looking at an WRX... bigger exhaust, ECU chip and I think he'd be making STi power. It would just ride stiffer and have harder tires (obviously among other things)
I say he ditches the RX-8 and gets something like a V8 S4 or something. He'll get everything in one swoop and not be paying $700-800 to finance the new car and insure both...
Yeah, that's true. I had the hatch in mind the whole time though.
The stock 09 is quicker than the STI already, no reason to ruin it. :lol:
Quote from: R-inge on October 08, 2009, 08:20:51 PM
I had assumed he was at least thinking of the hatch, which is semi-practical.
I am...
for the record i stopped in at a subie dealer in midst of kitchen shopping and the only 5-door (un)impreza they had was an automatic outback sport... i had no ambition to drive it, but did check out the interior which was pretty decent looking and the available cargo area looked pretty good for my needs.
Quote from: MaxPower on October 08, 2009, 08:57:54 PM
Every time I merge onto the interstate I regret not springing for the LGT.
Ha That's just an excuse to hold the pedal to the carpet for a while....
Underpowered cars are also a good reason to take corners faster- to maintain speed. :devil:
I survived for four years with a car that took 12.4 seconds to get to 60 mph on a good day, and I drove on the highway plenty of times. Power is addicting, but it isn't completely necessary.
Quote from: the Teuton on October 10, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
I survived for four years with a car that took 12.4 seconds to get to 60 mph on a good day, and I drove on the highway plenty of times. Power is addicting, but it isn't completely necessary.
Did you spend $25,000 on it? :nutty:
Quote from: Tave on October 11, 2009, 09:00:53 AM
Did you spend $25,000 on it? :nutty:
If I'm spending $25k on a car, it damn well better hit 60 mph in under 7 seconds.
You're right, he should get the WRX.
I don't get how he can keep the RX-8 when it will be slower than his DD. Dude should sell it and get an FD RX-7.
For comparison, my minivan can supposedly do 8.3seconds 0-60mph.
Just sayin.
for no reason at all.
Just saying that my Saturn has been clocked at hitting 60 mph between 7.9 seconds (Car and Driver) and 8.6 seconds (much more realistic, but probably a fair contender for beating a 2.5i).
I'd get a WRX if I were you.
bleh
I'd get a used Evo and a roof rack.
!
Even better; A4 R32.
bleh, an rx8 only has about 150 rwhp at 6,00 rpms... a 2.5i probably has about 140awhp at 6000 rpms
... both weigh about 3000 lbs...
...bleh, i think i can live with that for a runabout car....
And so it shall be done?
f-150
Quote from: r0tor on October 14, 2009, 08:29:44 AM
bleh, an rx8 only has about 150 rwhp at 6,00 rpms... a 2.5i probably has about 140awhp at 6000 rpms
... both weigh about 3000 lbs...
...bleh, i think i can live with that for a runabout car....
Your car has 37% drivetrain loss?
Quote from: r0tor on October 14, 2009, 09:39:44 AM
...no
Why quote 6000rpm for a 9000rpm motor? Are you at this point not allowed to rev above 6000?
because the other engine only revs to 6,000 rpms... so in theory its not too much different in acceleration the the 8 is i shift at 6,000...
Quote from: r0tor on October 14, 2009, 10:17:14 AM
because the other engine only revs to 6,000 rpms... so in theory its not too much different in acceleration the the 8 is i shift at 6,000...
Whatever justification you want to use is fine. It's like saying "well, I have a minivan now, but if I only use two seats, it's the same as getting a sports car, so there's really no difference."
if you want real justification, a 1/3 of the year my car handles like ass anyway because it has snow tires on
Quote from: r0tor on October 14, 2009, 10:45:36 AM
if you want real justification, a 1/3 of the year my car handles like ass anyway because it has snow tires on
And with a 2.5i, you'll have the other 2/3rds of the year covered. I see what you're saying.
Quote from: Raza on October 14, 2009, 10:48:35 AM
And with a 2.5i, you'll have the other 2/3rds of the year covered. I see what you're saying.
LOL
This man has a point.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19340.msg1180354#msg1180354 date=1255538915
And with a 2.5i, you'll have the other 2/3rds of the year covered. I see what you're saying.
exactly ... if...
a=1
b=-1/3
c=0
then
a+b+c obviously equals c
"My car does not have traction in the winter. So I'd like to replace it with a car that has traction in the winter."
"My car handles very well. So I'd like to replace it with a car that has traction in the winter."
and if c=0 and swift=0 then clearly a+b+c=swift
Swift=mc2
no swift = omfg
All the discussion is irrelevant if you drive the car and you like it. At that point, who gives a fuck what we think?
Have you driven the 2.5i?
not yet... with subaru's record sales, the dealers are wiped clean of interesting unimpreza's. I've just sat in a couple to get a feel for the interior and cargo room.
...and a 2.5i would be supplimenting the rx, not replacing it ;)
Quote from: Raza on October 14, 2009, 11:37:49 AM
All the discussion is irrelevant if you drive the car and you like it. At that point, who gives a fuck what we think?
Truer words...
Why not get a Cute-ute? More traction, and ground clearance to get you out of trouble.
Vitara!
viagra!
shit it snowed already today!!!!
Need to drop ~$1,000 on new snow tires or get a 2nd car quickly.... yeesh
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2009, 04:42:32 PM
shit it snowed already today!!!!
Need to drop ~$1,000 on new snow tires or get a 2nd car quickly.... yeesh
Suzuki is having a sale on Viagras.
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2009, 04:42:32 PM
shit it snowed already today!!!!
Need to drop ~$1,000 on new snow tires or get a 2nd car quickly.... yeesh
Wait, it snowed over there, but it didn't snow over here? I'm only 300 miles away from you on just about the same latitude line.
they have 2" on the ground about 25 miles north of me
That reminds me, I was caught in the snow with my crappy Pirellis last weekend. They suck in the snow. I need to mount up the snows soon...
snow? It's 70 degrees here!
Quote from: R-inge on October 15, 2009, 04:55:13 PM
That reminds me, I was caught in the snow with my crappy Pirellis last weekend. They suck in the snow. I need to mount up the snows soon...
oh i can show you what suck in snow is...
after i saw this i went to check the weather for here. It's snowing overnight. I was gonna put my snows on this weekend. Good timing...
I got wheelspin on the highway today. In third. In rain, not snow. I can't wait for the white stuff to start falling.
Quote from: Raza on October 16, 2009, 11:05:56 AM
I got wheelspin on the highway today. In third. In rain, not snow. I can't wait for the white stuff to start falling.
Wheelspin = not acceleration. :nutty:
Quote from: NACar on October 16, 2009, 11:11:39 AM
Wheelspin = not acceleration. :nutty:
...I know :confused:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19340.msg1181914#msg1181914 date=1255713730
...I know :confused:
Shoulda got a Subaru :facepalm:
Quote from: NACar on October 16, 2009, 11:27:29 AM
Shoulda got a Subaru :facepalm:
I should get decent tires.
subarus don't need decent tires.
I used to run the cheapest baldest tires that would hold air- in Wyoming- and still passed trucks in ditches.
The 50:50 AWD system in the manual cars really is impressive. The automatic version is a lesson in how simplicity really can a mechanical diff can shift power. The 6-speed transmissions really are amazing, though. Those things are just plain awesome in STI form.
Quote from: the Teuton on October 17, 2009, 07:09:50 PM
The automatic version is a lesson in how simplicity really can a mechanical diff can shift power.
:confused:
Quote from: Laconian on October 17, 2009, 07:25:51 PM
:confused:
The diffs are 90:10 split -- well, 80:20 now, I think, and they work by fluid pressure in the gears to shift the torque. There are no fancy sensors really. It's all mechanical.
Quote from: the Teuton on October 17, 2009, 07:27:11 PM
The diffs are 90:10 split -- well, 80:20 now, I think, and they work by fluid pressure in the gears to shift the torque. There are no fancy sensors really. It's all mechanical.
Reread your sentence. It doesn't make any sense...at all.
Quote from: MrH on October 17, 2009, 07:47:18 PM
Reread your sentence. It doesn't make any sense...at all.
You just don't understand the hydraulicmechanical differential system of fluid pressure on gears
Quote from: MrH on October 17, 2009, 07:47:18 PM
Reread your sentence. It doesn't make any sense...at all.
I am tired, and I'm not in the mood to do so. But I will conceded on principle.
Technically I think the VTD system is their most advanced setup. The STI just gets all the glory. And driver aids are still dependent on the point of contact with the road (hint, that's the tires) in order to work effectively. Think about it.
I had one of our quick lube techs tell me that a Yukon didn't need snow tires, but that a Fwd Accord did. Maybe the Accord would benefit most, but while 4wd helps you go it doesn't help you turn or stop.
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Quote from: NACar on October 22, 2009, 11:56:17 AM
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I like that car except for what he did to it.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on October 22, 2009, 01:17:37 PM
I like that car except for what he did to it.
The roof rack extension would be good for hauling lumber and pipes from the Home Depot.
Someone likes widebody kits...
unfortunately it seems most 2.5RS's have been mutilated similarly beyond belief
Quote from: r0tor on October 22, 2009, 01:42:13 PM
unfortunately it seems most 2.5RS's have been mutilated similarly beyond belief
No, they haven't. You just need to know where to look.
RS25.com has a whole for sale section.
I drove an unimpreza today!!! Its actually not too bad...
The interior seemed pretty nice. Good ergonomics. Materials are OK. With the seats down I measured in the cargo area 5 feet long and 3.5-4 feet wide - so the hauling capability is respectable I guess. The suspension didn't seem too terrible although it was raining out and i couldn't push it hard - but it felt a bit on the sportier side but not terribly so. Steering and pedals had a similar heft to them that my RX8 has. Steering feel was decent - not as dead as my fathers 4Runner but not as alive as the RX8...
Unfortunately it had a slushbox in it so I really can't comment much on the engine. It also acted a little FWDish as I intentionally stepped on the gas a bit hard taking off from an intersection that i was making a right turn from - I felt a little power distribution from front to back as the front end wanted to initially wash out. They have a 5-speed coming in later this week that I guess i'll take for a joy ride so I can get a better feel for the engine (without the torque converter damping commands) and the 50/50 mechanical AWD...
It will still want to wash out the front end until you modify the suspension. Different sway bars help a lot.
I'll gladly be corrected, but I believe Subaru automatics split power 90/10.
Quote from: Raza on October 26, 2009, 06:32:58 AM
I'll gladly be corrected, but I believe Subaru automatics split power 90/10.
Other than the 5spd VTD cars, yes, that's the last I heard too.
5-speed 5 door is now in stock... will take for a test drive this week sometime...
hmm.. so WRX insurance would only be $67 more per year to insure over the 2.5i
:confused:
Quote from: r0tor on October 27, 2009, 10:12:26 AM
hmm.. so WRX insurance would only be $67 more per year to insure over the 2.5i
:confused:
I swear, you're worse than a girl in a shoe store!
If he's anything like me he will continue to hem and haw and do endless research before finally making a choice, which will be excruciating to begin with, and he will proceed to second guess himself for months afterward. :lol:
Here are the questions he needs to ask himself:
Can I afford either? Yes.
Would I like a Subaru Impreza? Yes.
Do I have a pair of testicles? I'd like to think so.
Okay, so I'm going to get the WRX.
It's as simple as that.
Quote from: R-inge on October 27, 2009, 10:57:44 AM
If he's anything like me he will continue to hem and haw and do endless research before finally making a choice, which will be excruciating to begin with, and he will proceed to second guess himself for months afterward. :lol:
true!
I just had the strange urge for a WRX 5 door with 16" black steelies, snow tires, and rally mudflaps :lol:
... i just really thought that the WRX was going to be several hundred more dolalrs a year to insure. The difference now between buying a 2.5i and buying a WRX is now down to ~$200 a month.
Quote from: r0tor on October 27, 2009, 10:12:26 AM
hmm.. so WRX insurance would only be $67 more per year to insure over the 2.5i
:confused:
Really? I thought the WRX was one of the priciest cars to insure. Are regular Imprezas pricier than the average compact?
Speaking of insurance, I've been meaning to call my insurer to compare rates for a WRX and a Gen Coupe 3.8 (as well as what it would cost to insure both my Mazda and a Gen Coupe if I decide to keep the 3 for winter rat duty).
Quote from: r0tor on October 27, 2009, 11:08:56 AM
true!
I just had the strange urge for a WRX 5 door with 16" black steelies, snow tires, and rally mudflaps :lol:
Dude, you should see my car right now. Exactly as you described it except with more subtle mud flaps. :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on October 27, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
Really? I thought the WRX was one of the priciest cars to insure. Are regular Imprezas pricier than the average compact?
Speaking of insurance, I've been meaning to call my insurer to compare rates for a WRX and a Gen Coupe 3.8 (as well as what it would cost to insure both my Mazda and a Gen Coupe if I decide to keep the 3 for winter rat duty).
I wonder if its because I was looking at the 5 door and gave them a 5 door vin number?
Quote from: R-inge on October 27, 2009, 03:37:41 PM
Dude, you should see my car right now. Exactly as you described it except with more subtle mud flaps. :lol:
sweet! lol
Quote from: r0tor on October 27, 2009, 04:47:42 PM
I wonder if its because I was looking at the 5 door and gave them a 5 door vin number?
I don't think that would make a difference. A WRX is a WRX.
yea, but sometimes insurance companies get anal about things that don't really matter... like 4 door vs coupe vs "wagon"
Quote from: R-inge on October 27, 2009, 03:37:41 PM
Dude, you should see my car right now. Exactly as you described it except with more subtle mud flaps. :lol:
rally armor!!!
Quote from: r0tor on October 27, 2009, 05:19:54 PM
yea, but sometimes insurance companies get anal about things that don't really matter... like 4 door vs coupe vs "wagon"
Well, I called my current insurer and got some quotes on the Gen Coupe 3.8, WRX hatch/wagon, and Camaro V6.
For 6 months, the Camaro and Gensis are within $5 of each other, which isn't surprising at all. The WRX is roughly $50 more than the two coupes for the same coverage. I'm kind of surprised since I've always figured a wagon is going to be cheaper than a coupe. Then again, I have read that the WRX ranks up there as among the most expensive cars to insure. I would have expected it to at least be the same as the other two, with the wagon offsetting the fact that it's a turbocharged performance car.
Haha, I caught a couple of younger guys admiring my car yesterday in the bank parking lot. They were particularly impressed by the steelies with snow tires. :lol:
Quote from: R-inge on October 30, 2009, 01:48:42 PM
Haha, I caught a couple of younger guys admiring my car yesterday in the bank parking lot. They were particularly impressed by the steelies with snow tires. :lol:
They probably thought it was a weekend rallyX warrior what with the blocky tread snow tires and steel rims.
Quote from: MX793 on October 30, 2009, 01:50:18 PM
They probably thought it was a weekend rallyX warrior what with the blocky tread snow tires and steel rims.
Haha yeah. Too bad I don't live up to that expectation... :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on October 30, 2009, 01:47:09 PM
Well, I called my current insurer and got some quotes on the Gen Coupe 3.8, WRX hatch/wagon, and Camaro V6.
For 6 months, the Camaro and Gensis are within $5 of each other, which isn't surprising at all. The WRX is roughly $50 more than the two coupes for the same coverage. I'm kind of surprised since I've always figured a wagon is going to be cheaper than a coupe. Then again, I have read that the WRX ranks up there as among the most expensive cars to insure. I would have expected it to at least be the same as the other two, with the wagon offsetting the fact that it's a turbocharged performance car.
I read it was
the most expensive to insure just a couple weeks ago.
well i was suppose to test drive unimprezza tonight... not getting out of work until 13 hours after i started the day put an end to that :lockedup:
and back to work already today... ggrrrrrr
I am curious about automatic WRXs. Aside from the ugly interiors the wagons fit whatever needs I have right now.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 31, 2009, 08:10:18 AM
I am curious about automatic WRXs. Aside from the ugly interiors the wagons fit whatever needs I have right now.
I wouldn't own one with a 4spd, but the 5spd Legacy GT isn't too bad. Once they start offering that transmission it might be a good option, but for now the AT is just a performance sapper.
Quote from: R-inge on October 31, 2009, 08:47:38 AM
I wouldn't own one with a 4spd, but the 5spd Legacy GT isn't too bad. Once they start offering that transmission it might be a good option, but for now the AT is just a performance sapper.
Yeah, the 4AT WRX is one of those instances where an automatic paired with a turbo actually hurts performance.
Also, the WRX is manual only these days. There's a 2.5GT which is automatic.
so i got a lead on a used 2009 5 door WRX hatch with premium package and aftermarket Pioneer navi/radio going for $24.5k... too bad i'm working for the next 2 weeks straight
Just get a pickup truck. Nobody will think any less of your penis.
i drove STi today... yikes!
Quote from: thecarnut on November 23, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Is that good or bad?
Should be good.. I liked it... especially the PSssssssssssssssssssssH............ :ohyeah: Although the transmission is no where as good as the Rx8 or Hondas...
from the "Driven Today" Thread....
QuoteI just drove a 2008 STi!!!!
Holy shit that thing can move. It seems kinda mundane around town then you put your foot it in and wait just a second and it just plants you in your seat. Holy shit...
My overall impressions...
The car had 15k miles on and the interior seemed to be holding up very well. Looks like absolute sex on the outside. The shifter has short throws but not a very positive engagement. The clutch pedal throw was very short but easy to modulate once i got a feel for it. I have the same problem as my car with the seating position - the wheel doesn't go up as far as i'd like and the wheel gets in the way of my legs. Around town the engine feels just mundane. Mash the gas and it turns into superman - especially if you select S# mode. Exhaust sound its pretty non-existent especially when the turbo spools up. The tach is nicely placed right in front of you but the combination of the small speedo and the RX8's digital speedo (dumbing me down all these years) gave me little hope of seeing how fast i actually had that sucker up to. Brake pedal feel felt good...
The suspension seems well sorted with a good balance between daily driver comfort and handling. I'd say its a tad more compliant then my RX8 but with equal "plantedness" thanks to the AWD. I can see where the hardcore STi fanboi's expecting something that feels like a racec ar would be disappointed - but then again they should also get their heads out of their asses because a car does not have to ride as stiff as a board and punish your kidneys in order to handle well. The steering feel is lacking compared to the RX8 but not terribly so and has a good heft to it.
All in all I think it makes for a hell of a daily driver. Calm and relaxing around town, easy over the bumps and potholes, and capable of making you feel like superman when you want to.
The bad news... this car is on a dealer lot that made me want to scream. The sales manager is a greasy italian with a bad accent, horrible cologne, and just wreaks of used car salesmen. He pretty much wouldn't budge off the 30k sticker price eventhough: the car only listed for $36 new, its had an engine replaced already meaning its beat to shit, and as I explained to him subaru themselves had a $6k rebate on those things last December. He then pulled up some Kelly Blue Book website that wasn't legit, gave different prices then i get, and when I was there I made him redo it and he LOWERED the mileage listed and the cars value LOWERED. The shit they were putting the kid next to me threw was just downright disgusting...
Well that's too bad the dealer were snakes. But yeah, nice cars those STI.
Nice review, similar to my opinion on the car. There's a 2008 white fully loaded one with Navi and Gold BBS Rims here at about 5000miles.. I can probably get it down to about 27k.. maybe you should get that and have it shipped to you.