Scenario:
We are visited by aliens. You are hand picked by the aliens to answer questions about Earth. They ask you to point to the best car the world has ever had to offer, what would you pick? I leave the criteria for your decision up to you. You can pick whatever you want, but you have to provide your reasons why.
Easy. 911.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=20116.msg1174370#msg1174370 date=1254766675
Easy. 911.
Reasons? You need to explain to the aliens why. They won't accept "because" as a reason either. They're really nasty when you don't give them what they want.
These aliens are probably jaded by centuries of space flight, so I doubt terrestrial car dynamics would impress them.
I would probably recommend a Rolls Royce so they could experience the best in creature comforts unique to our planet.
Quote from: Laconian on October 05, 2009, 12:46:25 PM
These aliens are probably jaded by centuries of space flight, so I doubt terrestrial car dynamics would impress them.
I would probably recommend a Rolls Royce so they could experience the best in creature comforts unique to our planet.
Good answer.
For the record, I'm still thinking. It's hard to come up with anything besides...Mustang. :lol:
McLaren F1
Because it's a McLaren F1.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 05, 2009, 12:38:28 PM
Reasons? You need to explain to the aliens why. They won't accept "because" as a reason either. They're really nasty when you don't give them what they want.
The 911 sums up humanity. It's been in production for quite a while, it's had minimal, evolutionary changes. It's a stubborn car, sticking with a less than ideal setup (rear engine and all), it's selfish, but doesn't want to look like it (four seats, but not really), and is highly adaptable; road racing, rally racing, leisurely drives, et al.
Fucko Magucko.
I agree with Raza..
But then, why would the aliens care about our cars?
+1 to everything Raza said.
The least carlike car would win. So whatever the fuck that is, let me know. It;'s so the aliens can associate more with it, and hopefully don't get pissed off. Therefore I have a greater chance of not being abducted and anal raped by some glowing green alien penis.
Damnit. After Raza's explanation, I'm having a helluva time coming up with anything else...and I don't like the 911.
Swift
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 05, 2009, 02:52:30 PM
Damnit. After Raza's explanation, I'm having a helluva time coming up with anything else...and I don't like the 911.
Mustang
Quote from: NACar on October 05, 2009, 02:58:42 PM
Mustang
:hesaid: :hesaid: :hesaid: :hesaid:
Mustang is by far the least car looking. That's what I wanted. :cheers:
1980 Mustang 2.3L
Quote from: NACar on October 05, 2009, 03:10:05 PM
Pretty sure it was just a 3 speed. :huh:
Even better!
(http://kensington.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/delorean2.jpg)
Because it can travel into the future and the past.
Quote from: Raza on October 05, 2009, 01:36:12 PM
The 911 sums up humanity. It's been in production for quite a while, it's had minimal, evolutionary changes. It's a stubborn car, sticking with a less than ideal setup (rear engine and all), it's selfish, but doesn't want to look like it (four seats, but not really), and is highly adaptable; road racing, rally racing, leisurely drives, et al.
That was brilliant.
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.
I can't help but think a Caterham Seven or a Lotus Elise/Exige might be a bit of a hoot that cross-universe travel just couldn't replicate.
Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.
I can't help but think a Caterham Seven or a Lotus Elise/Exige might be a bit of a hoot that cross-universe travel just couldn't replicate.
One of my first thoughts was the 1966 Shelby Cobra.
Ferrari F430 scuderia... perfect marriage of technology and passion
Aptera
(http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/aptera.jpg)
Just like home!
Toyota Prius.
It basically tells of what the Human Race wants to do.
They try to do something better to change the world, but ultimately it's not right. They try to better that attempt, but despite being in good nature, it still is a bit ironic and misguided. Their efforts to save the world can only be appreciated if it is plebeian in appearance.
I'll go with the Vette: iconic, affordable, attainable, powerful, agile, winning, sexy, and, most importantly....American. :ohyeah:
This thread begins and ends with the 1992 Chevrolet Lumina.
Quote from: MX793 on October 05, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
This thread begins and ends with the 1992 Chevrolet Lumina.
Not if it doesn't have the luggage rack/spoiler combo!
Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 08:07:14 PM
Not if it doesn't have the luggage rack/spoiler combo!
That's a given. In fact, it's that marvel of human ingenuity, that fantastic piece of packaging efficiency, that is the reason why it is the best car. It would no doubt impress even the most advanced of alien races and I'm sure they'd immediately seek ways to implement it on their spacecraft.
E39 BMW M5.... pretty much has enough of anything anyone who likes cars would want
V8 rumble? Check.
World class handling? Check
Sumptuous interior with room for 4? Check
Classic good looks? Check
Raza's logic is pretty hard to beat though.
Hard to argue with Raza.
But a close second would be an E90 M3. It's practical, relatively spacious, ridiculous performance, and tons of awesome technology.
Quote from: MrH on October 05, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
Hard to argue with Raza.
But a close second would be an E90 M3. It's practical, relatively spacious, ridiculous performance, and tons of awesome technology.
There's something to be said for accomplishing the same goals more simply
Mercedes S-Class. Why? If you want to see the future of the automobile, just look at the S-Class. Yes, I got this from an E-Class commercial, but the point still stands. The S-Class has always been a pioneer in automotive technology.
If you're coming here from outer space, chances are most technology outside of your own will pretty much suck. Think of an alien spacecraft as an iDrive that actually works. I know, it's scary.
All we have to compete is with our quirkiness (British sports cars), ass-backwards cars (Porsche), and with unparalleled innovation that no one else would ever think of (the glorious Lumina, of course).
Quote from: MX793 on October 05, 2009, 08:09:42 PM
That's a given. In fact, it's that marvel of human ingenuity, that fantastic piece of packaging efficiency, that is the reason why it is the best car. It would no doubt impress even the most advanced of alien races and I'm sure they'd immediately seek ways to implement it on their spacecraft.
I think they would flee in terror, having witnessed such a prime example of our superior intellect.
Quote from: Tave on October 05, 2009, 07:04:42 PM
I'll go with the Vette: iconic, affordable, attainable, powerful, agile, winning, sexy, and, most importantly....American. :ohyeah:
Agreed!
The Aztec.
The only way you could find someone who didn't throw up looking at it would be if their from space.
I'd choose something that could cover the most terrestrial territory (and not necessarily roads) comfortably and efficiently.
Quote from: ChrisV on October 06, 2009, 11:16:59 AM
I'd choose something that could cover the most terrestrial territory (and not necessarily roads) comfortably and efficiently.
I was thinking the same thing. I would pick the SVT Raptor in that case.
Quote from: ChrisV on October 06, 2009, 11:16:59 AM
I'd choose something that could cover the most terrestrial territory (and not necessarily roads) comfortably and efficiently.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 06, 2009, 11:58:47 AM
I was thinking the same thing. I would pick the SVT Raptor in that case.
I was thinking Range Rover/Land Cruiser/Gelandewagen (or maybe a GL320 CDI)
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 06, 2009, 12:03:02 PM
I was thinking Range Rover/Land Cruiser/Gelandewagen (or maybe a GL320 CDI)
Though none of those can do what the Raptor can do.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 06, 2009, 12:03:32 PM
Though none of those can do what the Raptor can do.
Cover said territory looking like an 8 year old high on sugar went a little too overboard in "TONKA'S BIG RIG COLORING BOOK"?
Quote from: Submariner on October 06, 2009, 12:31:50 PM
Cover said territory looking like an 8 year old high on sugar went a little too overboard in "TONKA'S BIG RIG COLORING BOOK"?
It's got ugly all to itself.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 06, 2009, 12:03:32 PM
Though none of those can do what the Raptor can do.
I thought that the Raptor didn't have low range!?
Quote from: 2o6 on October 06, 2009, 01:26:41 PM
I thought that the Raptor didn't have low range!?
Doesn't need one, as it's high range cruises over the rough stuff at high speed. ;)
Quote from: 2o6 on October 06, 2009, 01:26:41 PM
I thought that the Raptor didn't have low range!?
Where have you been? It's got low range, hill decent in both forward and reverse, locking differential that is good up to 100 mph, etc.
Quote from: ChrisV on October 06, 2009, 11:16:59 AM
I'd choose something that could cover the most terrestrial territory (and not necessarily roads) comfortably and efficiently.
Range Rover Sport? :praise:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xRFNBWST25E/ScGLRNL3nZI/AAAAAAAADYs/vSwEYa4_-fI/s400/Deathmobile+Art+Car+For+Sale+Front.jpg)
The Deathmobile. They won't want to fuck with us.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 06, 2009, 02:56:35 PM
Where have you been? It's got low range, hill decent in both forward and reverse, locking differential that is good up to 100 mph, etc.
High speed cornering with locked diff's is all the rage nowadays.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=20116.msg1175422#msg1175422 date=1254877484
Thanks. :lol:
I was not very impressed.
(http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mobile-dj-art-car.jpg)
:winkguy:
Ok, Raza's was good too.
Easy. The car that won the "Best Saloon Car of the 20th Century" award: 1976-1985 Mercedes W123
-Reliable
-Build Quality
-Comfortable
-Spacious
-Various engine options to suit a huge range of buyers
-Timeless design
You name it. :rockon:
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-280_E_1976_photo_03.jpg)
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j128/ncasler/swift/swiftlights.jpg)
:whatshesaid:
Debate over. Ford Model T. Hands down
The car that put the world on wheels.
Could go anywhere anyone needed to go in a car at a time when most roads were little more than dirt paths.
Could carry a tremendous amount of cargo for it's size and weight.
Could be repaired by a semi-skilled workers.
Harder to kill than a cockroach.
Sociologically had a greater impact on the United states (and probably the rest of the world) than any other consumer product of the 20th century.
Quote from: Byteme on October 08, 2009, 06:42:36 AM
Debate over. Ford Model T. Hands down
The car that put the world on wheels.
Could go anywhere anyone needed to go in a car at a time when most roads were little more than dirt paths.
Could carry a tremendous amount of cargo for it's size and weight.
Could be repaired by a semi-skilled workers.
Harder to kill than a cockroach.
Sociologically had a greater impact on the United states (and probably the rest of the world) than any other consumer product of the 20th century.
What a horrible car.
Quote from: Submariner on October 06, 2009, 12:31:50 PM
Cover said territory looking like an 8 year old high on sugar went a little too overboard in "TONKA'S BIG RIG COLORING BOOK"?
Yeah, the Raptor wouldn't cut it for "most terrestrial territory" on a number of levels.
First, the Raptor's add-on bits are worth zilch when not on a dirt road - mud, rocks, or otherwise slow going.
Second, on much the rest of the planet getting good quality gasoline is difficult - you'd have to go with a far-less-sensitive-to-fuel-quality diesel engine.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 08, 2009, 01:35:16 PM
Yeah, the Raptor wouldn't cut it for "most terrestrial territory" on a number of levels.
First, the Raptor's add-on bits are worth zilch when not on a dirt road - mud, rocks, or otherwise slow going.
*ahem* bullshit *ahem*
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 08, 2009, 02:18:46 PM
*ahem* bullshit *ahem*
*ahem* relative to the other vehicles listed; i.e., not any better on such terrain ("mud, rocks, or otherwise slow going") and probably worse.
The Raptor would get uber ultra mega pwned on a cross continent jaunt WRT a diesel Range Rover or Land Cruiser.
Quote from: NomisR on October 07, 2009, 03:27:34 PM
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j128/ncasler/swift/swiftlights.jpg)
Needs more subs.
:nono:
Quote from: Northlands on October 08, 2009, 03:06:51 PM
Needs more subs.
:nono:
I am considering one of those little enlosed bazooka ones... but not for the Swift.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 08, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
*ahem* relative to the other vehicles listed; i.e., not any better on such terrain ("mud, rocks, or otherwise slow going") and probably worse.
The Raptor would get uber ultra mega pwned on a cross continent jaunt WRT a diesel Range Rover or Land Cruiser.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. The Raptor would easily destroy any Land Rover or Land Cruiser on a cross continent jaunt especially if those vehicle aren't allowed to use pavement at all.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 08, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. The Raptor would easily destroy any Land Rover or Land Cruiser on a cross continent jaunt especially if those vehicle aren't allowed to use pavement at all.
Scrambling through a muddy, narrow jungle trail somewhere in Africa or South America, a Land Rover would destroy a Raptor. The Raptor was basically built for Baja type off roading. High speed, open spaces.
Quote from: MX793 on October 08, 2009, 05:33:31 PM
Scrambling through a muddy, narrow jungle trail somewhere in Africa or South America, a Land Rover would destroy a Raptor. The Raptor was basically built for Baja type off roading. High speed, open spaces.
Samurai wins :wub:
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 08, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. The Raptor would easily destroy any Land Rover or Land Cruiser on a cross continent jaunt especially if those vehicle aren't allowed to use pavement at all.
Just as MX793 implies, the type of stuff the Raptor is optimized for - baja-style terrain - is relatively rare on a continent-wide scale. Anything else the other two would be equal (paved roads - being generous to Ford's 5.4L here) or superior (snow, mud, rock crawling, or anything otherwise slower and technical).
Quote from: GoCougs on October 08, 2009, 05:41:19 PM
Just as MX793 implies, the type of stuff the Raptor is optimized for - baja-style terrain - is relatively rare on a continent-wide scale. Anything else the other two would be equal (paved roads - being generous to Ford's 5.4L here) or superior (snow, mud, rock crawling, or anything otherwise slower and technical).
Obviously you haven't been privy to the videos of the Raptor in 4 Lo.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 08, 2009, 05:46:29 PM
Obviously you haven't been privy to the videos of the Raptor in 4 Lo.
Which is great so long as the trail you're on is wide enough to accommodate a Hummer H1 (in which case, you'd be better off with an H1 as that can climb stuff a Raptor won't, plus ford streams deeper than the hood if you've got a snorkel). The Raptor is a foot wider than the Land Rover Discovery. It simply won't fit down trails that the Disco can get through.
The aliens have a freaking space ship that travels millions of light years across the galaxy. I don't think they need to bum a ride across Guatemala.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 08, 2009, 05:46:29 PM
Obviously you haven't been privy to the videos of the Raptor in 4 Lo.
Soft, long travel suspension blows for keeping meats on grade during low speed articulation. Plus it's much longer and wider.
Quote from: Tave on October 08, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
The aliens have a freaking space ship that travels millions of light years across the galaxy. I don't think they need to bum a ride across Guatemala.
I'm thinking the premise of the question would be like the aliens asking "so how do you guys like to get around?"
My personal answer would be either a 1962 Lincoln Continental convertible or 1980's Rolls Corniche convertible
Quote from: MX793 on October 08, 2009, 05:53:48 PM
Which is great so long as the trail you're on is wide enough to accommodate a Hummer H1 (in which case, you'd be better off with an H1 as that can climb stuff a Raptor won't, plus ford streams deeper than the hood if you've got a snorkel). The Raptor is a foot wider than the Land Rover Discovery. It simply won't fit down trails that the Disco can get through.
My Focus could ford a stream if you put a snorkel and big tires on it.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 08, 2009, 11:20:38 PM
My Focus could ford a stream if you put a snorkel and big tires on it.
I'm pretty sure your ignition system wouldn't hold up too well if you tried running the engine while it was submerged. The H1 is diesel: No ignition system. The only threat water poses is if it gets sucked into the intake.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 08, 2009, 11:20:38 PM
My Focus could ford a stream if you put a snorkel and big tires on it.
I know you're just kidding, but anything deep enough to require a snorkel would carry your Focus downstream anyway. :lol:
Ford needs to bring over an AWD WRC inspired Focus to the US, i'd totally buy it.
Quote from: R-inge on October 09, 2009, 09:11:01 AM
I know you're just kidding, but anything deep enough to require a snorkel would carry your Focus downstream anyway. :lol:
:lol:
You know what I'm saying.
Quote from: NomisR on October 09, 2009, 10:12:13 AM
Ford needs to bring over an AWD WRC inspired Focus to the US, i'd totally buy it.
People have been saying that for years. I agree.
Quote from: R-inge on October 09, 2009, 10:51:30 AM
People have been saying that for years. I agree.
I would buy the 300 hp FWD RS in a heartbeat. That trick diff is supposed to be pretty cool.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 09, 2009, 10:57:43 AM
I would buy the 300 hp FWD RS in a heartbeat. That trick diff is supposed to be pretty cool.
Yeah, that's a very cool car as well.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 09, 2009, 10:57:43 AM
I would buy the 300 hp FWD RS in a heartbeat. That trick diff is supposed to be pretty cool.
FWD?!?! :facepalm:
Quote from: NomisR on October 09, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
FWD?!?! :facepalm:
Like he said, it does pretty well with that trick diff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzJqVjY72w&feature=fvsr
Quote from: R-inge on October 09, 2009, 12:47:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzJqVjY72w&feature=fvsr
Give it to me in blue or white.
We need a *drool* smilie.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 09, 2009, 01:06:24 PM
Give it to me in blue or white.
We need a *drool* smilie.
I think there's also a video comparing one to the GT-R, and frankly in real world situations the RS is just about as quick, point to point.
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZL8uPemi3k
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/axedesign2/awesome_mazda3.jpg)
oh c'mon
Quote from: 93JC on October 09, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/axedesign2/awesome_mazda3.jpg)
Yes they're good cars. I like them.
BUT...
The other day my fiancee told me it looks like the Mazda 3's are smiling at everyone. From many different angles. :lol:
2000 Toyota Camry
*****dodges eggs and molotovs******
Going strong at 171000 with no major repairs and has never totaled itself like certain other cars have. I used to want an S class until I had this car. Now I'm like, Fuck? Why would I want anything else?
I thought you had a Saturn.
Quote from: redbloodedamerican on October 10, 2009, 11:14:15 PM
2000 Toyota Camry
*****dodges eggs and molotovs******
Going strong at 171000 with no major repairs and has never totaled itself like certain other cars have. I used to want an S class until I had this car. Now I'm like, Fuck? Why would I want anything else?
Is this a new troll persona? :lol:
I never had a Saturn Ion. There was a Saturn Ion at Lord Fairfax that was plastered with anti abortion stickers that I was going to photograph and post as RBA's car, but I never got around to it.
I've had:
A 1999 Plymouth Breeze whose engine mount kept breaking. It couldn't take West Virginia hollows.
A 1996 Toyota Camry whose transmission went out 8 months after buying it (The scumbag who sold it was a dealer posing as a private party so lemon laws wouldn't apply. I want to burn his house down)
A 2000 Camry that's been completely perfect.
Built like a tank; Chevy drivetrain, heavy gauge sheetmetal, runs forever, never looks too old or too new.
I present the Checker Marathon!!!
(http://www.cow.net/checker/photos/AUCTIONS/plandmain.jpg)
Quote from: eightballsidepocket on October 12, 2009, 02:33:52 PM
Built like a tank; Chevy drivetrain, heavy gauge sheetmetal, runs forever, never looks too old or too new.
I present the Checker Marathon!!!
(http://www.cow.net/checker/photos/AUCTIONS/plandmain.jpg)
I bet the IIHS can still stuff it onto two dimensional plane in a 35mph test.
Quote from: 93JC on October 09, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/axedesign2/awesome_mazda3.jpg)
lol the more I look at the more I laugh, good one :lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 08, 2009, 03:14:09 PM
I am considering one of those little enlosed bazooka ones... but not for the Swift.
I got a 12" that fills half a box you might wanna look into.
Or just get a single box from wallyworld!
Quote from: R-inge on October 09, 2009, 12:47:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzJqVjY72w&feature=fvsr
manscarf= fail
Quote from: NomisR on October 05, 2009, 03:39:24 PM
(http://kensington.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/delorean2.jpg)
Because it can travel into the future and the past.
hey wait, what freeway is this from? that doesn't look like any of the 55-fwy interchanges I can think of...
Mercedes SLS
Quote from: Sigma Projects on October 12, 2009, 09:03:05 PM
lol the more I look at the more I laugh, good one :lol:
haha, me too.
Way to resurrect a thread from the dead.
Honestly, the Porsche Panamera would be a good contender for world's most perfect car. Other than subjective looks and a steep price, it does nothing wrong.
Quote from: the Teuton on August 13, 2011, 01:15:04 AM
Honestly, the Porsche Panamera would be a good contender for world's most perfect car. Other than subjective looks and a steep price, it does nothing wrong.
It offends my eyes. That's what it does wrong.
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Quote from: Raza link=topic=20116.msg1174414#msg1174414 date=1254771372
The 911 sums up humanity. It's been in production for quite a while, it's had minimal, evolutionary changes. It's a stubborn car, sticking with a less than ideal setup (rear engine and all), it's selfish, but doesn't want to look like it (four seats, but not really), and is highly adaptable; road racing, rally racing, leisurely drives, et al.
Man, two years later and I'm still right.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 05, 2009, 12:07:24 PM
Scenario:
We are visited by aliens. You are hand picked by the aliens to answer questions about Earth. They ask you to point to the best car the world has ever had to offer, what would you pick? I leave the criteria for your decision up to you. You can pick whatever you want, but you have to provide your reasons why.
Model T or (I can't believe I'm writing this) the original VW beetle. Both were made for the masses and did exactly what was asked of them with an absolute minimum of fuss. Both were simple to repair and about as hard to kill as a cockroach. Both could be configured or modified to perform practically any task. Both were absolutely perfect for their times and changed the world of transportation.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=20116.msg1563294#msg1563294 date=1313223310
Man, two years later and I'm still right.
No, two years later and you are still wrong. Go ahead and carry more than 2 people in your 911. Go take it off of pavement. Go haul a real load with one. Ignore maintenance and see how long it runs.
Nope, the 911 is a nice car in it's niche (upper end sports car). As an overall versatile transportation device, it has too many significant shortcomings.
After 2 years I finally have an answer. The BMW 3 Series. It has been one of the best handling, most comfortable, stylish, relatively affordable, and consistent cars we have ever had. It's an image car, but it's also an enthusiast's car. It can seat 4 people in comfort and take their luggage. Most importantly it's available in a myriad of combinations from a 4 door 4 pot, to an AWD wagon, to a convertible, and a 400+hp balls to the wall performance machine.
Four decent sized people won't be than comfortable in a 3 series. It's a compact car.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 15, 2011, 08:31:56 AM
After 2 years I finally have an answer. The BMW 3 Series. It has been one of the best handling, most comfortable, stylish, relatively affordable, and consistent cars we have ever had. It's an image car, but it's also an enthusiast's car. It can seat 4 people in comfort and take their luggage. Most importantly it's available in a myriad of combinations from a 4 door 4 pot, to an AWD wagon, to a convertible, and a 400+hp balls to the wall performance machine.
I agree. I was reading Autoblog the other day and people were saying the 3 series is boring and the Sonata and new Camry are more exciting. It's obvious that they have never driven a 3er.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/14/2012-bmw-3-series-spied-sans-all-camouflage/
Quote from: 68_427 on August 15, 2011, 08:37:47 AM
Four decent sized people won't be than comfortable in a 3 series. It's a compact car.
I'm 6'2 and can fit in the backseat fairly comfortably behind my dad who is 6'0. :huh:
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 15, 2011, 09:16:15 AM
I agree. I was reading Autoblog the other day and people were saying the 3 series is boring and the Sonata and new Camry are more exciting. It's obvious that they have never driven a 3er.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/14/2012-bmw-3-series-spied-sans-all-camouflage/
I'm 6'2 and can fit in the backseat fairly comfortably behind my dad who is 6'0. :huh:
Either your dad's is a little roomier or my dad sits way far back, but my knees were in the back of his seat in a 328xi.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 15, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
Either your dad's is a little roomier or my dad sits way far back, but my knees were in the back of his seat in a 328xi.
I just rest my knees on the sides of the seat.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 15, 2011, 09:32:30 AM
I just rest my knees on the sides of the seat.
Do not want. It wouldn't be so bad if the backs of the seats were soft-ish, but it sucks with alot of cars have plastic or other hard materials on the backs of seats. Unless there's decent legroom then I don't care I guess.
Quote from: EtypeJohn on August 15, 2011, 07:53:26 AM
Ignore maintenance and see how long it runs.
Ignore maintenance on any car and see how long it runs.
The question wasn't what car can do everything. It's asking what the best car is. If your criteria is passenger space, then say Toyota Sienna.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 15, 2011, 08:37:47 AM
Four decent sized people won't be than comfortable in a 3 series. It's a compact car.
Yeah, they will. 3 series and my Jetta are basically the exact same size inside and out, and it seats four adults fine. No, you can't stretch out and sit by the fire in the back, but it's more than fine for a medium length (2-4 hours) trip.
Shit, I just realized I made a grammatical/spelling/typing error. That pisses me off.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=20116.msg1564365#msg1564365 date=1313423027
Ignore maintenance on any car and see how long it runs.
The question wasn't what car can do everything. It's asking what the best car is. If your criteria is passenger space, then say Toyota Sienna.
The point is some cars are much more maintenance sensative than others.
The question is "Best Car" not best two seater sports car. My criteria is the ability to do a variety of things. Sure you can find a quicker car, a larger car, one that seats more, one that costs more, one that costs less, ones that had less impact on the automobile industry and society. But judge them an a multitude of factors and the 911 is lacking.
Quote from: EtypeJohn on August 15, 2011, 10:02:01 AM
The point is some cars are much more maintenance sensative than others.
The question is "Best Car" not best two seater sports car. My criteria is the ability to do a variety of things. Sure you can find a quicker car, a larger car, one that seats more, one that costs more, one that costs less, ones that had less impact on the automobile industry and society. But judge them an a multitude of factors and the 911 is lacking.
It's a four seater GT!
And I can see why you disagree, but per the original premise, the decision criteria are up to me.
Quote from: EtypeJohn on August 15, 2011, 10:02:01 AM
The point is some cars are much more maintenance sensative than others.
The question is "Best Car" not best two seater sports car. My criteria is the ability to do a variety of things. Sure you can find a quicker car, a larger car, one that seats more, one that costs more, one that costs less, ones that had less impact on the automobile industry and society. But judge them an a multitude of factors and the 911 is lacking.
Nah, I think Raza has it right.
The model T did only what others did before it - yes, it was sold to the masses like never before, but as a car, it was a car. An exceptionally ugly car at that. As a symbol, it demonstrated Americas industrial might, but did little more. Yeah, a Model T could carry four people, but after a 10 minute ride in a 1926 Chevy, I can safely say I'd rather cram my 6'3" 205lb frame in the back of a 911 than spend a minute more in any really old car unless it's on the silkiest of pavement.
The best doesn't have to be the first. Blues existed for some time, but Led Zeppelin blew the lid off of them and made them memorable to this day. The best has to do it right. The best has to have parallels with society (As Raza pointed out, the 911 does, the Model T does not) it has to have passion (the 911 does, the Model T does not) it has to be versatile (both are, in different ways. No, you couldn't haul bricks in a 911, but you couldn't take a sharp corner at more than 15MPH in a Model T) It has to span generations, to prove it's durability as a vehicle and it's place in our hearts (no one under the age of 40, save for a select few enthusiasts, cares or even knows about the 911) but every kid knows about the 911, and could probably identify a 1974 911 without ever seeing one before.
The Model T was the start of the modern automobile era, but that in no way makes it a good car.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 15, 2011, 08:37:47 AM
Four decent sized people won't be than comfortable in a 3 series. It's a compact car.
I rode in the backseat of a 2007 335i Coupe and I fit comfortably and I'm 6'1".
Apparently I'm back seat spoiled. :mask:
Quote from: Submariner on August 15, 2011, 10:39:08 AM
The best doesn't have to be the first. Blues existed for some time, but Led Zeppelin blew the lid off of them and made them memorable to this day. The best has to do it right. The best has to have parallels with society (As Raza pointed out, the 911 does, the Model T does not) it has to have passion (the 911 does, the Model T does not) it has to be versatile (both are, in different ways. No, you couldn't haul bricks in a 911, but you couldn't take a sharp corner at more than 15MPH in a Model T) It has to span generations, to prove it's durability as a vehicle and it's place in our hearts (no one under the age of 40, save for a select few enthusiasts, cares or even knows about the 911) but every kid knows about the 911, and could probably identify a 1974 911 without ever seeing one before.
I agree which is why the 3 Series is the best.
Quote from: Submariner on August 15, 2011, 10:39:08 AM
The model T did only what others did before it - yes, it was sold to the masses like never before, but as a car, it was a car. An exceptionally ugly car at that. As a symbol, it demonstrated Americas industrial might, but did little more. Yeah, a Model T could carry four people, but after a 10 minute ride in a 1926 Chevy, I can safely say I'd rather cram my 6'3" 205lb frame in the back of a 911 than spend a minute more in any really old car unless it's on the silkiest of pavement.
At it's peak about 50% of the cars on the PLANET were Model Ts. Ugly? About the same as it's contemporaries. Model T was made from 1907 until about 1926 or 27. At the end of it's run other cars did surpass it. So what? The Model T platform was used for everything from two seater roadsters to pickups to station buses. It also formed the basis of numerous successful racing cars in it's day. It was extremely versatile. And you wouldn't want to spend ten minutes in the back of a 911 on roads the Model T could handle with ease.
Quote from: Submariner on August 15, 2011, 10:39:08 AM
The best doesn't have to be the first. Blues existed for some time, but Led Zeppelin blew the lid off of them and made them memorable to this day. The best has to do it right. The best has to have parallels with society (As Raza pointed out, the 911 does, the Model T does not) it has to have passion (the 911 does, the Model T does not) it has to be versatile (both are, in different ways.
The Model T did far more than parallel society, the Model T defined and shaped US society in the first three decades of the 20th century. The 911, despite it's many virtues did not define or shape society from the late 50's to the present.
Quote from: Submariner on August 15, 2011, 10:39:08 AM
It has to span generations, to prove it's durability as a vehicle and it's place in our hearts (no one under the age of 40, save for a select few enthusiasts, cares or even knows about the 911) but every kid knows about the 911, and could probably identify a 1974 911 without ever seeing one before.
The Model T was the start of the modern automobile era, but that in no way makes it a good car.
Durability? Take a Model T and a 911 back in history to the typical road of the 1910 to 1925 era. The 911 would last but a few miles. Take both to 2011. Both can function on today's roads. People on a forum like this or those who subscribe to C&D and R&T are very aware of the 911. Go interview the average Toyota, Honda or Ford buyer or the average soccer mom in her SUV or daddy-van and they could probably not care less. I fairness they probably feel about the same for the Model T. And of course they could, the 911 has kept the same shape and general layout for decades. That in itself isn't a virtue.
I don't know man. 911s have a storied history in road and rally racing. I think they'd last a bit more than a few miles.
I don?t think durability is a good argument against the 911. It is probably as reliable as anything else.
But the world?s best car should be a sedan. It is still the most popular body style worldwide. Thus, 3 series.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 16, 2011, 09:43:56 AM
I don?t think durability is a good argument against the 911. It is probably as reliable as anything else.
But the world?s best car should be a sedan. It is still the most popular body style worldwide. Thus, 3 series.
I feel the 3 Series is it because it is available in sedan, coupe, wagon, and convertible body styles and has everything from a little 4 pot, to a turbo 6, and a fire breathing V8 in a car that is pretty much a street legal race car. Almost every iteration of the 3 Series is widely regarded as a driver's car and are highly sought after even on the used market.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 16, 2011, 09:43:56 AM
But the world?s best car should be a sedan. It is still the most popular body style worldwide. Thus, 3 series.
It's hard to argue against the 3-series, but one of my first thoughts was the Mercedes W126. It's spacious, powerful with the Euro-spec 500 V8, and most importantly, built for strength and durability. When these were new when I was a kid, I always thought that these cars had everything that anyone could ever want.
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I don't know man. 911s have a storied history in road and rally racing. I think they'd last a bit more than a few miles.
I can't imagine a 911 being any more successful than these unlucky guys.
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Quote from: Vinsanity on August 16, 2011, 10:32:35 AM
It's hard to argue against the 3-series, but one of my first thoughts was the Mercedes W126. It's spacious, powerful with the Euro-spec 500 V8, and most importantly, built for strength and durability. When these were new when I was a kid, I always thought that these cars had everything that anyone could ever want.
That Merc was fantastic, probably the best sedan available in it?s day. However the 3 series has been consistently the benchmark across generations.