Quote from: Rich on May 11, 2024, 04:19:42 PMPicked up the Tesla today (not mine, it belongs to Ally)

I really enjoyed driving it around today. I get one month of "free" "full" self driving. I gave it a whirl on one stretch and it did ok. Similar stress to sitting in the passenger seat with a new driver.

I'll just stick with the cruise control.

The auto wipers did much better than on the test drive.

Lady was nice and toasty and I was nice and cool.

It was so quiet and comfortable.

The button turn signals were nowhere near as annoying as I thought they'd be. I'm sure it'll suck in the roundabouts

No wheels or doors fell off, so far reliability 10/10.

Let me be the first and so far only person to congratulate you on your new purchase.

I hope your Tesla provides you with miles and miles of happy (electric)motoring as mine has.

Once you get used to an EV going back to your ICE vehicle feels a bit archaic.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 22, 2024, 11:50:41 AMWell there's been no reason to recycle at a large scale yet, it's not like there are unused batteries stacking up anywhere yet.

Looking at the recycling and scrap sales (/thefts) of things like copper and the precious metals in catalytic converters, it's clear that batteries will also have a robust recycling demand & supply chain.

There is a decent amount of wrecked EVs by now and a market starting to reuse the batteries for home energy storage, which for a while is probably the best thing that can come of them.

Quote from: Laconian on May 22, 2024, 10:58:28 AMhttps://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1787501413137858617.html

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Quote from: r0tor on May 22, 2024, 10:51:33 AMTo my knowledge, thar recycling is at a table top level not at scale - and no real details from an environmental perspective on what appears to be a seriously nasty process.

Well there's been no reason to recycle at a large scale yet, it's not like there are unused batteries stacking up anywhere yet.

Looking at the recycling and scrap sales (/thefts) of things like copper and the precious metals in catalytic converters, it's clear that batteries will also have a robust recycling demand & supply chain.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 22, 2024, 09:56:47 AMEVs only need mining once vs. constant extraction for gasoline throughout the car's life. Plus, battery recycling is very good. CATL has achieved a recovery rate of 99.6% for nickel, cobalt and manganese, and 91% for lithium. And battery chemistries like LFP and sodium batteries reduce the demand for nickel and cobalt.

To my knowledge, thar recycling is at a table top level not at scale - and no real details from an environmental perspective on what appears to be a seriously nasty process.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 21, 2024, 06:54:36 PMMain difference being, oil was initially (and still is) relatively cheap compared to the millions/billions that would need to be invested into "renewable" resources to produce the same energy if everything is supposed to run on electricity.  As I've said before, as somebody who has lived in mine country their whole life...people think it's so simple and clean. But it's not.

EVs only need mining once vs. constant extraction for gasoline throughout the car's life. Plus, battery recycling is very good. CATL has achieved a recovery rate of 99.6% for nickel, cobalt and manganese, and 91% for lithium. And battery chemistries like LFP and sodium batteries reduce the demand for nickel and cobalt.

The Collector Car Feed YouTube channel is all about roasting cars.

https://www.youtube.com/@CollectorCarFeed/videos

Quote from: GoCougs on May 21, 2024, 11:52:12 PM[snip]
Detroit is failing at EVs, so there's that. Bailouts for all yet again.

The protectionist tariffs SPINners are squabbling over in the EVs thread are arguably one incarnation of bailouts.