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Title: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 07:56:39 PM
http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/910750793.html (http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/910750793.html)

1979 MGB beginner project. - $1200

This is a great 1979 yellow MGB, Engine head has been rebuilt, with many new parts, I?ve put about $1200.00 into it thus far but with my back problems I just can?t work on it. It needs new carpet , windshield reset, new dash was in the plan but wouldn?t need to be done. The weber Carb is great. I have the title, parts list, lots of older papers, Complete restoration manual and electrical manual. The body is in good shape, the plan was to do the mechanical and interior, then work on a few minor spots on the body and repaint. When these are done right they sell from $10,000-15,000. I just love the style and planned to make it my summer driver, With my back problems I need to work on something a bit higher off the ground. Call with any questions I always love to talk about my MG. Thanks

(http://images.craigslist.org/1f414a1333n43k33l78b860fe0f5f71941385.jpg)

He says it needs a carpet (big whoop), a new top (eh, oh well), that windshield thing (meh) and some electrical gremlin worked out (!). It doesn't run because of the electrical problem. He thinks it's the distributor. Rust is not a bad problem on the car. The only thing I'm nervous about is the electrical thing, because I've never really dealt with that kind of problem before.

What I want is, basically, a fun sports car that's not entirely unreliable. I don't need to drive it a long distance, but it needs to spend more time on the road than in the driveway. I have time to work on a car, I (think) I have a place, and I have enough disposable income to afford such a thing, unless it gets way out of hand. I doubt I'll keep it more than a year unless I totally fall in love with it.

What would you do, and more importantly, what should I do? :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 13, 2008, 07:57:54 PM
Buy it.

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Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
Buy it.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: S204STi on November 13, 2008, 07:59:12 PM
I have several issues of Sports/Exotic Car scattered throughout my house with an ongoing MGB restoration, I can scan and email them to you if you do buy it.

Also consider a subscription to that magazine anyway, because it's great stuff if you like classic sports cars.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 08:05:21 PM
And check out Classic Motorsports, GRM's sister mag.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 13, 2008, 07:59:12 PM
I have several issues of Sports/Exotic Car scattered throughout my house with an ongoing MGB restoration, I can scan and email them to you if you do buy it.

Also consider a subscription to that magazine anyway, because it's great stuff if you like classic sports cars.

That would be most excellent (if I do buy it :lol: ).

Heh, I've already pretty much decided to buy it on Saturday if the guy looking at it tonight doesn't want it (*fingerscrossed*). I'm just fishing for someone (who knows something) to tell me it's a bad idea for some good reason. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: Raza  on November 13, 2008, 08:05:21 PM
And check out Classic Motorsports, GRM's sister mag.

My uncle (the one who still has my old Miata) gets Hemming's Sports and Exotic. I've read some, and liked them a lot.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Laconian on November 13, 2008, 08:15:51 PM
Buy it, fix it, then trade it for your uncle's Miata. That's the better car to drive. ;)  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 13, 2008, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 08:05:42 PM
That would be most excellent (if I do buy it :lol: ).

Heh, I've already pretty much decided to buy it on Saturday if the guy looking at it tonight doesn't want it (*fingerscrossed*). I'm just fishing for someone (who knows something) to tell me it's a bad idea for some good reason. :lol:

It's not a bad idea. Get a multimeter. Test wires. Make it run. I'll help.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: TBR on November 13, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
Save for a Miata.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 08:36:42 PM
Get an Alfa Romeo instead. They sound better.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: the Teuton on November 13, 2008, 08:41:07 PM
My friend's dad has an MGB.  If you're fine with wiring issues and quirky problems, it's otherwise a fantastic car.  For pure enjoyment with reliability, a Miata is a better car hands down.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
Get a 911 instead.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 13, 2008, 08:42:34 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on November 13, 2008, 08:41:07 PM
My friend's dad has an MGB.  If you're fine with wiring issues and quirky problems, it's otherwise a fantastic car.  For pure enjoyment with reliability, a Miata is a better car hands down.

Good luck finding a $1200 Miata.

Quote from: Raza  on November 13, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
Get a 911 instead.

Good luck finding a $1200 911

Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 08:36:42 PM
Get an Alfa Romeo instead. They sound better.

Good luck finding a $1200 Alfa Romeo that sounds better.

:orly:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Onslaught on November 13, 2008, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 07:56:39 PM
http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/910750793.html (http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/910750793.html)





He says it needs a carpet (big whoop), a new top (eh, oh well), that windshield thing (meh) and some electrical gremlin worked out (!). It doesn't run because of the electrical problem. He thinks it's the distributor. Rust is not a bad problem on the car. The only thing I'm nervous about is the electrical thing, because I've never really dealt with that kind of problem before.



Good luck with that one.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Cookie Monster on November 13, 2008, 08:55:02 PM
Do it.

If not you can probably sell it for the same amount anyways.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 13, 2008, 08:42:34 PM
Good luck finding a $1200 Miata.

Good luck finding a $1200 911

Good luck finding a $1200 Alfa Romeo that sounds better.

:orly:

Exactly.

Although, after fixing its problems and such, it will probably be closer to $2000. Carpet is $300, a top is $350, various other things are probably more than $150, but I bet I could get it for $1000 or $1100.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: GoCougs on November 13, 2008, 08:57:34 PM
Do if you have a uber ultra mega penchant for MGBs, and get infinitely more pleasure out of fixing them than driving them.

Don't If you're looking for anything else.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on November 13, 2008, 08:55:02 PM
Do it.

If not you can probably sell it for the same amount anyways.

That's my other thought. If I get it running and all that, and I still don't like it, I could probably make a small profit.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 08:58:55 PM
Dude dude dude dude

1st or 2nd generation GTI, do it.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on November 13, 2008, 08:52:16 PM
Good luck with that one.

And my other other thought. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 08:58:55 PM
Dude dude dude dude

1st or 2nd generation GTI, do it.

There's an Opel GT and a cheapish 911SC locally, too.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 13, 2008, 08:57:34 PM
Do if you have a uber ultra mega penchant for MGBs, and get infinitely more pleasure out of fixing them than driving them.

Don't If you're looking for anything else.

I knew a lady who had an MGB. She laughed at all the people who were scared of their reliability.  :huh:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 08:59:51 PM
There's an Opel GT and a cheapish 911SC locally, too.

FUCK
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:02:06 PM
The Opel is a ways away, but I might check out the 911, just for the hell of it. It's still $9000, though, and I don't want a loan right now.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 09:02:48 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 09:02:06 PM
The Opel is a ways away, but I might check out the 911, just for the hell of it. It's still $9000, though, and I don't want a loan right now.

As long as it isn't over 9000.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Onslaught on November 13, 2008, 09:08:54 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 09:01:00 PM
I knew a lady who had an MGB. She laughed at all the people who were scared of their reliability.  :huh:
I like them. I really do. But it's no laughing matter. You don't get a reputation like that for nothing.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:14:02 PM
Yeah, that's true. I think it's been exaggerated, though. Besides, what else do I have to do on the weekends here in Boise? :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 09:02:48 PM
As long as it isn't over 9000.

Haha. It's really tempting. The 911SC is kind of my realistic near-term dream car, and I'd hate to pass up a really good one. I don't really have a stable enough job and living situation to allow for a loan, though. It's got 180 kmi, too. That's not really that high for a 911, but I'd much prefer to spend a bit more money on it when I can afford it so I can get lower mileage and put next 200 kmi on myself. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 08:57:33 PM
Exactly.

Although, after fixing its problems and such, it will probably be closer to $2000. Carpet is $300, a top is $350, various other things are probably more than $150, but I bet I could get it for $1000 or $1100.

Get more money.  All you need is a bandanna and a horse to rob a train.  Fuck man, stop making things so hard.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on November 13, 2008, 09:08:54 PM
I like them. I really do. But it's no laughing matter. You don't get a reputation like that for nothing.

I laugh at people who are afraid of European cars!
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:29:18 PM
It's not just a European car. It's a British car, and it's old enough to be from the era of Lucas wiring nightmares. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: Raza  on November 13, 2008, 09:26:46 PM
Get more money.  All you need is a bandanna and a horse to rob a train.  Fuck man, stop making things so hard.

Psh, no one robs trains anymore.

Stagecoaches. That's where the money's at.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 13, 2008, 09:32:44 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 08:57:33 PM
Exactly.

Although, after fixing its problems and such, it will probably be closer to $2000. Carpet is $300, a top is $350, various other things are probably more than $150, but I bet I could get it for $1000 or $1100.

Do you really need carpet?
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 09:34:05 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 09:30:41 PM
Psh, no one robs trains anymore.

Stagecoaches. That's where the money's at.

Did you know that the term "riding shotgun" comes from stagecoaches?  The person sitting next to the driver used to carry a shotgun to protect the stagecoach. 
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on November 13, 2008, 09:32:44 PM
Do you really need carpet?

$300 for carpet?  Motherfuck!
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Tave on November 13, 2008, 09:40:04 PM
Quote from: Raza  link=topic=16435.msg922432#msg922432 date=1226637245
Did you know that the term "riding shotgun" comes from stagecoaches?  The person sitting next to the driver used to carry a shotgun to protect the stagecoach. 

Everyone knows that!
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Raza  link=topic=16435.msg922432#msg922432 date=1226637245
Did you know that the term "riding shotgun" comes from stagecoaches?  The person sitting next to the driver used to carry a shotgun to protect the stagecoach. 

I did. Just come up on the driver's side with a bigger shotgun. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 13, 2008, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on November 13, 2008, 09:32:44 PM
Do you really need carpet?

Nope. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Onslaught on November 13, 2008, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: Raza  link=topic=16435.msg922417#msg922417 date=1226636864
I laugh at people who are afraid of European cars!
Not all of them. The ones in that SUV list? Hell yes.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Byteme on November 14, 2008, 07:01:37 AM
For $1,200?  Buy it with no second thoughts after you check for tin worm damage (rust).  If it turns out to be a turkey you can always part it out and probably get your "investment" back.   

For parts you might want to start subscribing to Hemmings Motor News.  There are many companies selling restoration parts for these cars and most all of them advertise in Hemmings, plus you get to see a ton of private seller ads.  Take your time and don't rush and I would guess you can find your carpet and top and other stuff much cheaper than you think.

In my limited experience electrical problems with British cars usually turn out to be poor connectors or poor grounds.  A good wiring diagram and a multimeter and test light are a must, as is patience.

Restoration - getting it running?  Take it one issue at a time.  Don't try to do everything at once.


Oh, final thought.  it it cranks check the compression.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: ChrisV on November 14, 2008, 07:23:42 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 09:29:18 PM
It's not just a European car. It's a British car, and it's old enough to be from the era of Lucas wiring nightmares. :lol:

Yeah, but there's really not much wiring, and it's all easy to get to. Try not to let the smoke out of the wires, and you'll be fine.

Plus, there's no reason to have everything perfect. If a couple things are occasionally wonky, let 'em be. As Bytme said, don't work on everything at once. And as I've found over the years, many things can simply be lived with and still get full enjoyment out of the car.

Real enthusiasts need to own a car or dozen like this in their lifetimes.

Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Byteme on November 14, 2008, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: ChrisV on November 14, 2008, 07:23:42 AM
Yeah, but there's really not much wiring, and it's all easy to get to. Try not to let the smoke out of the wires, and you'll be fine.



True, compare the wiring diagram of an MGB with a new car and you will be amazed.  I would bet the biggest electrical headache will be bodges (screwups by previous owners). 

One useful hint I've heard but never used: 

To check that the wires are going to the right places and that you have continuity is by checking each circuit individually with the battery disconnected and using a 6 volt lantern battery.  You are far less likely to burn up a wire (let the smoke out) that way.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: GoCougs on November 14, 2008, 08:04:50 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 13, 2008, 09:01:00 PM
I knew a lady who had an MGB. She laughed at all the people who were scared of their reliability.  :huh:

I'm coming at it from the age and condition, and what sounds like your relative newness to working on cars. This would actually be less of a hassle then most cars its age - it's simpler electrically, everything about it is tiny, and there's pretty good aftermarket/salvage resources.

But having been there lots of times, estimate the cost and multiply it by at least 4, and estimate the time/hassle and then multiply it by at least 10. That's what you're buying here IMO.

Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: S204STi on November 14, 2008, 09:49:43 AM
I agree with these more experienced guys that this will probably be a lot of work.  If it has major rust at all just walk away because it may have been an eastern states or coastal car.  Electrically almost everything should be rebuildable, and there is an epic aftermarket base for these cars.  I wouldn't be afraid of it, just be aware of what you're getting yourself into.

This car is on my short list of restoration projects too.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 14, 2008, 10:40:25 AM
Did you get it yet?
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2008, 08:42:44 PM
Thanks for the advice, wise old men. :lol:

The guy said someone (a real MGB enthusiast! :( ) was coming by to look at it on Thurs, but if he didn't get it, I probably will tomorrow.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Laconian on November 14, 2008, 09:01:07 PM
If an MG enthusiast passes it up, then you'll be plagued with doubt about the car's condition!

WHAT TO DO
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 14, 2008, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 14, 2008, 09:01:07 PM
If an MG enthusiast passes it up, then you'll be plagued with doubt about the car's condition!

WHAT TO DO

It was probably in too good of condition for the true MG enthusiast.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2008, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 14, 2008, 09:01:07 PM
If an MG enthusiast passes it up, then you'll be plagued with doubt about the car's condition!

WHAT TO DO

I know, right? Maybe he already has a project, and was just curious to see this one...
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 14, 2008, 09:08:12 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 14, 2008, 09:06:22 PM
I know, right? Maybe he already has a project, and was just curious to see this one...

Or maybe he just told you that to make you think you needed to hurry up and buy it.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Laconian on November 14, 2008, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 14, 2008, 09:06:22 PM
I know, right? Maybe he already has a project, and was just curious to see this one...
Or perhaps he's a Chinese guy that mistook this car for a Modern Gentleman MG.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 14, 2008, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 14, 2008, 09:02:29 PM
It was probably in too good of condition for the true MG enthusiast.

The only thing a "true MG enthusiast" considers in such a decision is whether or not he has the space on the lawn.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 12:16:47 AM
Well, damn, the guy sold it. Who knows about Opel GTs? :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 01:23:47 AM
And, since we're on the topic, I have a preliminary list of cars to keep an eye out for: MGB, 2002, old GTI, 914, Miata, MR2, (Beetle, Saab 99-- not quite the right kind of car for the moment), various Fiats, various Datsuns, Alfa Spyder (or is it Spider?)...

What else should be on there? You can tell that my criteria are small, sports car or GT, light, cheap, has character. The aforementioned Opel doesn't make it because, though there is lots of character in a car like that, parts are kind of hard to find (I think) and probably expensive.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Laconian on November 15, 2008, 01:25:49 AM
Fiat X1/9
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Cookie Monster on November 15, 2008, 01:31:46 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2008, 01:23:47 AM
And, since we're on the topic, I have a preliminary list of cars to keep an eye out for: MGB, 2002, old GTI, 914, Miata, MR2, (Beetle, Saab 99-- not quite the right kind of car for the moment)...

What else should be on there? You can tell that my criteria are small, sports car or GT, light, cheap, has character. The aforementioned Opel doesn't make it because, though there is lots of character in a car like that, parts are kind of hard to find (I think) and probably expensive.
1960's Datsun Fairlady Roadster? :devil:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 01:35:49 AM
Quote from: Laconian on November 15, 2008, 01:25:49 AM
Fiat X1/9

Chances are slim in Boise, but that would be awesome! Added. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 01:36:49 AM
Quote from: thecarnut on November 15, 2008, 01:31:46 AM
1960's Datsun Fairlady Roadster? :devil:

Do those exist cheaply? I'll just search for "Datsun" on craigslist. Might get some Zs then! :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Cookie Monster on November 15, 2008, 01:45:49 AM
http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/908138712.html

This would be pretty cool to make into an off roader:

http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/898418489.html
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 01:47:49 AM
Haha, there's an X1/9 for sale on the 'list. :lol: It's $7500, though. But, check this out:

http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/913433221.html (http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/913433221.html)

1973 Fiat spyder convertible w/hard top - $1 (emmett)

This is a 1973 Fiat spyder convertible that is in good condition... Not only does it have the soft top but it also comes with a hard top too.. It has new tires, brake pads, brake calipers, fuel pump,Rebuilt carb, air filter,Battery alternater, clutch cable, sensors, all fluids have been replaced front to rear.. It is a 5 speed and a blast to drive.. The interior could use a little work but everything works on the car and it runs like a champ.... The soft top is complete bu needs to be replaced.. a new too runs between $179.00 for Vinyl up to $380.00 for cloth. Originally bought car for wife but she is too short to reach the pedals with the seat all the way forward so bought her a different car so now we have too many vehicles in a sub division (7 inc. motorcycle trailer) Have to liquidate this and snowmobiles..
I will post more pics here in the next few days
If you have anymore questions you can e-mail me or call me

$2000.00 o.b.o.

(http://images.craigslist.org/1f212413c3nf3k73p08bae375fc490bcb1d13.jpg)

Emailed. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 01:49:02 AM
Quote from: thecarnut on November 15, 2008, 01:45:49 AM
http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/908138712.html

This would be pretty cool to make into an off roader:

http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/898418489.html

Too expensive, and I have a truck.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Cookie Monster on November 15, 2008, 01:50:42 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2008, 01:49:02 AM
Too expensive, and I have a truck.
Oh.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2008, 08:57:24 AM
Quote from: Laconian on November 15, 2008, 01:25:49 AM
Fiat X1/9

:hesaid: :hesaid: :hesaid: :hesaid: :hesaid: :hesaid::hesaid: :hesaid:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
Dude's still got the Fiat, so I'm gonna look at it, hopefully today. If it's as nice as it sounds in the ad, there's no reason not to buy it...
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2008, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
Dude's still got the Fiat, so I'm gonna look at it, hopefully today. If it's as nice as it sounds in the ad, there's no reason not to buy it...

just like there's no reason not to buy this:

(http://eightsolid.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dehydrated-water.jpg)
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 12:26:09 PM
Ha! That would be awesome to have.

ChrisV always said how good a car his Fiat was, so it can't be too terrible (unless it's in bad shape, in which case, it ain't worth no $2k). :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Laconian on November 15, 2008, 12:34:10 PM
Take that with a grain of salt. ChrisV has a very hard time saying anything bad about any car.

Are there any Italian auto mechanics around that can inspect the car?
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2008, 12:45:23 PM
If the ad is all true, it sounds like a wicked deal. I'd buy it.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Raza on November 15, 2008, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2008, 01:23:47 AM
And, since we're on the topic, I have a preliminary list of cars to keep an eye out for: MGB, 2002, old GTI, 914, Miata, MR2, (Beetle, Saab 99-- not quite the right kind of car for the moment), various Fiats, various Datsuns, Alfa Spyder (or is it Spider?)...

What else should be on there? You can tell that my criteria are small, sports car or GT, light, cheap, has character. The aforementioned Opel doesn't make it because, though there is lots of character in a car like that, parts are kind of hard to find (I think) and probably expensive.

I believe it's "Spider" for Alfas. 

Keep your eyes open for the MkI and MkII GTIs, as Evo says the MkII is even better than the first generation.  I'd also look at Sciroccos and 924s.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Onslaught on November 15, 2008, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 15, 2008, 12:34:10 PM
Take that with a grain of salt. ChrisV has a very hard time saying anything bad about any car.

Are there any Italian auto mechanics around that can inspect the car?
:hesaid:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 15, 2008, 12:34:10 PM
Take that with a grain of salt. ChrisV has a very hard time saying anything bad about any car.

Are there any Italian auto mechanics around that can inspect the car?

Haha, true. There might be a mechanic nearby, but I'm not too worried. I'm willing to fix some stuff.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 01:59:42 PM
I talked to the guy. Looks like tomorrow is the day.

He says the soft top is shot, but it's got a hard top, so whatever. The interior is in rough shape. There's a little bit of rust, of course. Apparently, the starter is kind of crappy (so he's taking a couple hundred off the price... I can probably get another hundred off). He says he drove it all summer. It sounds like the car is worth about what he's asking, which is more or less fine. Definitely worth looking at and test driving. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Laconian on November 15, 2008, 02:01:38 PM
Mama mia! Good luck.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Byteme on November 15, 2008, 07:18:36 PM
As with the MGB, check for rust, compression, heck about the same things as the MGB.  I restored a 68 124 sport spider and a 78 124 sport spider.  Earlier years are better than later IMHO.  Most parts are still available and fairly cheap. 

Given the choice I'd take the Fiat over the MGB.  It's a prettier car, is more practical, and a bit more fun.  It has an Italian Flavor.

And, you can strip and pull the engine without a hoist.  Pull off everything, head, starter, water pump everything and you can straddle the block and pick it up out of the engine bay.  Probably why I have back problems today. 
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 07:51:46 PM
Thanks Byteme!

I think I'd take the Fiat over the MG, too. Good thing...

As far as the compression goes, I don't have a tester. Is there another sufficient technique? (Park on a hill in gear with the e-brake off and see if it rolls, etc.). Seems to me that the larger issue would be even compression through the cylinders...

'73 seems to be a good year, with a larger engine than the earlier cars, but without the larger number of unique parts as those cars, and no stupid emissions stuff to take off like the later cars. I've done some reading. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2008, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2008, 07:51:46 PM
Thanks Byteme!

I think I'd take the Fiat over the MG, too. Good thing...

As far as the compression goes, I don't have a tester. Is there another sufficient technique? (Park on a hill in gear with the e-brake off and see if it rolls, etc.). Seems to me that the larger issue would be even compression through the cylinders...

'73 seems to be a good year, with a larger engine than the earlier cars, but without the larger number of unique parts as those cars, and no stupid emissions stuff to take off like the later cars. I've done some reading. :lol:

A compression tester is like $30, and not a bad investment.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
Well, maybe I'll pick one up before I head out.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2008, 08:24:54 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
Well, maybe I'll pick one up before I head out.

Maybe. It might also be a PITA. If the engine runs smoothly, has good power and doesn't smoke, I wouldn't even bother. But that's just me. If you do get it, make sure it has the right size adapter to fit a Fiat spark plug hole.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2008, 08:36:12 PM
It occurs that I don't have my tools here, and I don't wanna count on this guy to let me use his...
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2008, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2008, 08:36:12 PM
It occurs that I don't have my tools here, and I don't wanna count on this guy to let me use his...

Should be fine if you can just look at it and tell whether or not it's running well. I have a compression tester, but I've never used it specifically for buying a car.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2008, 12:27:15 AM
And look at all the awesome cars you've owned. ;) :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2008, 03:13:36 PM
I checked the Fiat out today, gave it a test drive and all. The rust isn't too bad, just on the rocker panels and a couple of half dollar spots on the rear quarters. The interior is not so great, with a munched console, worn seats, formerly white panels, and a two crappy tops. The soft top is gone, no bringing it back, and the hard top is kinda funky with the door-window interaction. There are some places where it would leak. There was water in the trunk that he blamed on having the trunk partly open while he washed it yesterday, and there was some water in the spark plug wells that he blamed on the hood being partly open. That struck me as a bit fishy. Leaks and interior things aren't a huge deal, and neither is the rust.

The car runs fine and drives fine, though there's a slight pull right. The brakes are fine (since they're new, I sure hope so). The engine doesn't make any odd sounds, and it's pretty smooth. There's some leaky and rattly exhaust stuff going on, though. There's a bit of an oil seep from the head gasket (I think it's the head gasket; the one below the camshaft cover gasket). The rear diff seemed to be leaking a little bit from the seal where the driveshaft goes into the diff case. The clutch was very stiff, but I think that's OK. The biggest problem, though, was the shifter. I'm not sure how it's supposed to feel, so maybe it's not really a problem, but the shifter was really sloppy. Kind of hard to find gears, lots of play (almost as much in a gear as in neutral). I'm not buying a car with a shitty transmission, so any ideas?

I think, avoiding the shifting issue and maybe the rear diff issue, that after the new soft top, new seats and interior panels, new console and dashboard veneer, and some other assorted things (trunk lock doesn't exist), the car would be pretty good. The tires suck, but they have plenty of tread. Oh, and the starter issue, which didn't happen for me, so I have no idea about it.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 03:28:55 PM
The only thing I would really concentrate on is the body work being solid. All else can be fixed.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2008, 03:34:52 PM
I magnet checked around the wheel wells and other typical rusty areas, and looked under the car pretty well. I think the above mentioned places are the only ones.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 16, 2008, 03:35:56 PM
Get it.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 16, 2008, 03:34:52 PM
I magnet checked around the wheel wells and other typical rusty areas, and looked under the car pretty well. I think the above mentioned places are the only ones.

Then I'd get it. Unless of course, you find something better, but it sounds like a good deal to me.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2008, 03:43:25 PM
I likely will. My parents, whom I'm living with for the next few weeks are the opposite of thrilled, but I basically told them tough shit. Not the greatest adult thing to say, but, well, tough shit. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 16, 2008, 03:43:25 PM
I likely will. My parents, whom I'm living with for the next few weeks are the opposite of thrilled, but I basically told them tough shit. Not the greatest adult thing to say, but, well, tough shit. :lol:

S'oK. Adults say a lot of childish things when they don't think there are kids around.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Onslaught on November 16, 2008, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 16, 2008, 03:43:25 PM
I likely will. My parents, whom I'm living with for the next few weeks are the opposite of thrilled, but I basically told them tough shit. Not the greatest adult thing to say, but, well, tough shit. :lol:
My dad would put me through a wall if I said something like that. And then I'd be homeless.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 05:18:14 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on November 16, 2008, 05:16:49 PM
My dad would put me through a wall if I said something like that. And then I'd be homeless.

That's OK, who wants to stay in a home with a large human shaped hole in one of the walls anyway?
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Onslaught on November 16, 2008, 05:23:18 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 05:18:14 PM
That's OK, who wants to stay in a home with a large human shaped hole in one of the walls anyway?
Yea, I have big ears too so the hole would be huge. He'd make me fix it before I was homeless.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on November 16, 2008, 05:23:18 PM
Yea, I have big ears too so the hole would be huge. He'd make me fix it before I was homeless.

I'd refuse. What's he going to do, make another hole?
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Onslaught on November 16, 2008, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 05:24:00 PM
I'd refuse. What's he going to do, make another hole?
Yes. And then fire me from work. So I'd be homeless and job less. But this was all back when I was young enough to live at home. If you live at home you have to do what you're told. That's that.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 16, 2008, 05:30:40 PM
I changed my mind. Get an X1/9.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on November 16, 2008, 05:29:33 PM
Yes. And then fire me from work. So I'd be homeless and job less. But this was all back when I was young enough to live at home. If you live at home you have to do what you're told. That's that.

Well, at least he has to live in a house full of holes. That's something.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2008, 06:29:49 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2008, 03:44:34 PM
S'oK. Adults say a lot of childish things when they don't think there are kids around.

Haha, I know. I have a couple of friends with children. :lol:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on November 16, 2008, 05:16:49 PM
My dad would put me through a wall if I said something like that. And then I'd be homeless.

They... aren't pleased with the below news, but they'll get over it. I saw a little smile on my dad's face when I told him.  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2008, 06:31:23 PM
OK, well, I'm starting a topic in Fastlane.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 16, 2008, 08:11:40 PM
My dad was surprisingly supportive when I bought the E21.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Byteme on November 17, 2008, 12:18:50 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 15, 2008, 08:24:54 PM
Maybe. It might also be a PITA. If the engine runs smoothly, has good power and doesn't smoke, I wouldn't even bother. But that's just me. If you do get it, make sure it has the right size adapter to fit a Fiat spark plug hole.

The first Fiat I bought had a 1492cc engine and a transmission with a broken second gear.  The engine ran good, just a little somke and no vibration, no odd sounds. 

$35 got me a decent transmission from a local import only salvage yard (this was the early 80's).  When I pulled the oil pan to fix a gasket leak I was quite surprised to find about 1/4th of a piston skirt laying in the pan.  The car ran pretty good with that partially broken piston.

The point of the story is just because it drives and sounds OK, doesn't mean there are not problems.  And no, a compression tester probably wouldn't have found that.
Title: Re: Advise me on this MGB!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 17, 2008, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Byteme on November 17, 2008, 12:18:50 PM
The first Fiat I bought had a 1492cc engine and a transmission with a broken second gear.  The engine ran good, just a little somke and no vibration, no odd sounds. 

$35 got me a decent transmission from a local import only salvage yard (this was the early 80's).  When I pulled the oil pan to fix a gasket leak I was quite surprised to find about 1/4th of a piston skirt laying in the pan.  The car ran pretty good with that partially broken piston.

The point of the story is just because it drives and sounds OK, doesn't mean there are not problems.  And no, a compression tester probably wouldn't have found that.

Like I've always said, piston skirts are overrated. :huh: