Impressive. :clap:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33277335/2021-ford-bronco-specs-revealed/
Chevy dropped the ball! This is what The Blazer should have been! Looks cool AF!
Needs a 302 version (Coyote).
Quote from: Rockraven on July 13, 2020, 08:29:00 PM
Needs a 302 version (Coyote).
I'm sure we'll see that or the Raptor 3.5 in the next year or two.
Unfortunately, the tow rating is 3500 lbs, which puts it out of the running for replacing the LC.
With what felt like years of teasers and hype, I thought for sure I'd be hugely disappointed, but this looks pretty good. I'm not even really an off-roader type and I find this pretty appealing. V8 would be cool, but I doubt we'll see it. The 2.7TT is a pretty potent motor, should offer decent enough performance. It does have a bit of that bloated, tall sides, tiny windows look that the FJ-Cruiser had, with heavy A pillars, that tend to hinder visibility when maneuvering on a tight trail. The Wrangler has more classic proportions in that regard. But since you can pull the doors easy enough, that should help with visibility when crawling.
Strange powertrain choices. A three cylinder? Do little turbo mills provide enough low end torque to go off-roading?
3 cylinder? It's the 2.3 4 cyl, and 2.7 6 cyl.
Seems strange though, that it's so far removed from the retro craze era of 2002-2009. I believe this was first rendered in 2004? If so this is one of the longest to market ideas ever.
Edit: ah, the lame "Sport" model has the 3 cyl. My bad.
It'll be a huge success. I'd like to be a Ford salesman.
https://youtu.be/804v_uYrsko
Didn't realize those dark pockets on the exterior of the doors were windows. That's a pretty cool feature.
It's very cute. I'm beginning to warm up to it.
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2021-ford-bronco-4-door-120-1594323473.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*)
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/RLKSizhKD8Vo9m5yZqmwiP-1024-80.jpg)
Lol, fekkin Ezra Dyer. Ford mentions the front fender tie down rings are rated for 150 lbs, and are good for securing a canoe. Ezra wonders how you'd see over a canoe tied down across the hood. What a maroon.
This thing is ridiculously cool.
Kind of sad the 7-speed manual (with a crawl gear!) is only available with the 4 cylinder terbow.
Quote from: Laconian on July 13, 2020, 10:16:38 PM
Strange powertrain choices. A three cylinder? Do little turbo mills provide enough low end torque to go off-roading?
The Bronco Sport is a blocky Escape with a better AWD system; the 1.5L is fine for those buyers needs. I actually really like the Bronco Sport.
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I think it looks super cool, although I doubt I'm the target market.
The only thing is that when internet people hype the shit out of a product, they rarely ever show up to the dealership. Or, they turn on the car 9 months after it leaves the factory (See GT86). People are already complaining about dumb shit, and literally no one has driven the car yet.
The only concerns I see is that I truly wonder how successful this product will actually be. "Jeep" is a lifestyle brand, and arguably, it's performance is irrelevant. People buy Jeeps because they gotta have a *Jeep*. The last Bronco was made in 1996 ish, and I don't know if "Bronco" has the same power. I wonder how well this will sell after the hype dies down.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 13, 2020, 09:37:44 PM
I'm sure we'll see that or the Raptor 3.5 in the next year or two.
Unfortunately, the tow rating is 3500 lbs, which puts it out of the running for replacing the LC.
I would have expected it to be similar to the Ranger seeing that it's supposedly based on the same platform. Ranger is 7500 lbs.
I hope they come out with a special "Pursuit" edition in white.
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 14, 2020, 08:30:26 AM
I would have expected it to be similar to the Ranger seeing that it's supposedly based on the same platform. Ranger is 7500 lbs.
Suspension on this is no doubt a lot softer, which will hurt tow ratings due to stability concerns.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 14, 2020, 08:17:14 AM
The only concerns I see is that I truly wonder how successful this product will actually be. "Jeep" is a lifestyle brand, and arguably, it's performance is irrelevant. People buy Jeeps because they gotta have a *Jeep*. The last Bronco was made in 1996 ish, and I don't know if "Bronco" has the same power. I wonder how well this will sell after the hype dies down.
Ford is also a pretty big lifestyle brand with the F-150, if we're being honest. But you're right, they need to tap into that.
What makes this better than a Wrangler?
They definitely didn't half ass this... Good Job
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 14, 2020, 10:03:02 AM
Ford is also a pretty big lifestyle brand with the F-150, if we're being honest. But you're right, they need to tap into that.
What makes this better than a Wrangler?
Last I checked, Ford doesn't hold F150 jamborees or have national gatherings devoted to the F150. There's brand loyalty and then there's lifestyle branding. Jeep and Harley are lifestyle brands. They sell as much on belonging to a "club" as on the merits of the products themselves.
They could run an optical fiber strand through each of those hood tie-downs - corner/edge markers.
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 14, 2020, 10:15:37 AM
They could run an optical fiber strand through each of those hood tie-downs - corner/edge markers.
TRON
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 14, 2020, 10:03:02 AM
Ford is also a pretty big lifestyle brand with the F-150, if we're being honest. But you're right, they need to tap into that.
What makes this better than a Wrangler?
The front suspension is a biggie.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 14, 2020, 07:34:27 AM
Lol, fekkin Ezra Dyer. Ford mentions the front fender tie down rings are rated for 150 lbs, and are good for securing a canoe. Ezra wonders how you'd see over a canoe tied down across the hood. What a maroon.
I believe that was a joke.
Quote from: MX793 on July 14, 2020, 10:06:48 AM
Last I checked, Ford doesn't hold F150 jamborees or have national gatherings devoted to the F150. There's brand loyalty and then there's lifestyle branding. Jeep and Harley are lifestyle brands. They sell as much on belonging to a "club" as on the merits of the products themselves.
Which, to he honest; is a big turn off for me.
I want a vehicle, not a membership in a club
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 14, 2020, 08:30:26 AM
I would have expected it to be similar to the Ranger seeing that it's supposedly based on the same platform. Ranger is 7500 lbs.
Yes, and the F-150 with the 2.7 can tow 8000, and the last Bronco pulled 6000.
I was hoping for 7500 at least; 6000 would have been OK, 5000 would be Ok-ish.
3500 is just too little.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 14, 2020, 10:21:45 AM
I believe that was a joke.
Dunno man. I remember when C&D marvelled at the new F-150, with its fancy lockable tailgate. They mused it must be because getting your tailgate stolen is a real problem. Apparently none of them own an ATV or dirt bikes.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 14, 2020, 10:22:58 AM
Which, to he honest; is a big turn off for me.
I want a vehicle, not a membership in a club
The lifestyle thing is golden for the likes of FCA & Harley. Few companies have that - I guess Tesla does, for now... And Apple used to, during their pre-commoditization era.
But I agree - if you want a Wrangler, but not the identity & the stereotypes associated with being just another sheep in that flock, this is for you. Land Rover had a chance with the new Defender, but IMO they went too effete, nowhere near agricultural enough.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 14, 2020, 10:29:10 AM
Yes, and the F-150 with the 2.7 can tow 8000, and the last Bronco pulled 6000.
I was hoping for 7500 at least; 6000 would have been OK, 5000 would be Ok-ish.
3500 is just too little.
IIRC, Wrangler is only rated to 2000 lbs. Seems like smaller SUV tow ratings have been dropping over the past 15 years or so. Some is surely the shift to car-based crossover platforms. Although even the old Jeep Liberties were only like 5000 lbs. Nissan Xterra was the same. Been a while since we've seen a smaller SUV that could pull more than 6000 lbs. The old S10 Blazers were about 6000 (maybe 5500?). First generation Dodge Durangos could pull like 7500 (depending on trim), but 2nd generation were reduced to 5900 lbs (less depending on trim)
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 14, 2020, 10:53:19 AM
The lifestyle thing is golden for the likes of FCA & Harley. Few companies have that - I guess Tesla does, for now... And Apple used to, during their pre-commoditization era.
But I agree - if you want a Wrangler, but not the identity & the stereotypes associated with being just another sheep in that herd, this is for you. Land Rover had a chance with the new Defender, but IMO they went too effete, nowhere near agricultural enough.
Agree with the Defender. They royally messed that up.
I've read enough articles to be pretty pumped. It looks like they really sweated the details.
It's not a car I'd buy for myself, but I'd surely rent it for Moab, but I am pretty happy about Ford lighting a fire under Jeep's smug dinosaur butt.
Quote from: Laconian on July 14, 2020, 11:39:03 AM
I've read enough articles to be pretty pumped. It looks like they really sweated the details.
It's not a car I'd buy for myself, but I'd surely rent it for Moab, but I am pretty happy about Ford lighting a fire under Jeep's smug dinosaur butt.
I'm sure FCA will respond by simply dropping an enormous engine under the hood of the Wrangler, since that's been the extent of their new vehicle development over the past decade. Hold onto your butts, here comes the new SRT Demon Red Hellcat Eye Wrangler Dunehawk Trail Runner. It will make 804 horsepower and be the most powerful vehicle with removable doors and a fold down windshield.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 13, 2020, 07:59:14 PM
Chevy dropped the ball! This is what The Blazer should have been! Looks cool AF!
Yep. Bronco rules. Blazer is a friggin joke.
I believe I would want the "Sasquatch Package" mainly just for the name.
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 14, 2020, 12:13:38 PM
I believe I would want the "Sasquatch Package" mainly just for the name.
35" tires are a bit overkill for most purposes methinks.
The retro 4x4 craze is definitely going strong right now. Icon Broncos and Grand Wagoneers are HOT
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 14, 2020, 12:13:38 PM
I believe I would want the "Sasquatch Package" mainly just for the name.
Can't wait for some tuner outfit like Shelby to do a hot rod version called King Squatch.
I think FCA should be shitting their pants right now and just hope the Jeep image can keep it afloat... Otherwise their last 3 decades of lazyness will bite them.
I mean really, outside of the image the Wrangler is an enormously expensive vehicle that drives like utter shit with an utter shit interior and utter shit build quality to match.
Quote from: r0tor on July 14, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
I think FCA should be shitting their pants right now and just hope the Jeep image can keep it afloat... Otherwise their last 3 decades of lazyness will bite them.
I mean really, outside of the image the Wrangler is an enormously expensive vehicle that drives like utter shit with an utter shit interior and utter shit build quality to match.
Their front axles are trembling already
This and the wrangler are both really good deals for what you get if highway driving isn't much of a concern. Especially the bone stock base models. I'd enjoy driving around with the doors and roof off. These are really the antithesis to the tank-like tiny greenhouse sedans and giant SUVs, putting the driver into the environment.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on July 14, 2020, 03:12:02 PM
Their front axles are trembling already
LOL. My brother was telling me about a friend who is a typical glutton-for-punishment FCA buyer (actually, friend's wife is). Friend's wife MUST have a Jeep Wrangler. Long time fan, probably the only type of vehicle she's ever owned. He gets one with the steering wobble at speed. His wife is afraid to drive it. It spends weeks in the dealer as they try to sort it out. He finally gets it lemon lawed, and then instead of learning and buying something that doesn't have a reputation for death wobble, they go right out and buy another Jeep Wrangler, which of course also has steering wobble :facepalm:.
Almost as bad as the Ram truck fanbois. Found a thread on a RAM truck board about their newer 1500 Ecodiesel trucks spontaneously combusting and FCA denying warranty coverage. One guy replaced his with another, despite FCA screwing him over and denying his warranty claim, because "he liked the truck before it went up in smoke" and "the dealer felt bad about how FCA stiffed him" and offered him a sweet deal.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on July 14, 2020, 03:12:02 PM
Their front axles are trembling already
Trembling or death wobbling?
Nice vehicle. I hope Ford can make it as relatively problem free as the new Ranger.
Quote from: Rich on July 14, 2020, 03:28:33 PM
This and the wrangler are both really good deals for what you get if highway driving isn't much of a concern. Especially the bone stock base models. I'd enjoy driving around with the doors and roof off. These are really the antithesis to the tank-like tiny greenhouse sedans and giant SUVs, putting the driver into the environment.
The base model with the steelie wheels and blacked out grille is, IMO, the best looking one.
sweet. But my minivan tows as much :mask:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 14, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
sweet. But my minivan tows as much :mask:
This is quite likely a deal breaker for me.
Probably shopping used F150s now though....
Part of me really wants an Outer Banks just to drive on the beaches in the outer banks...
But seriously, the looks are good inside and out. Cargo room as listed looks really good for the size. If it doesn't drive like ass (Wrangler) I could see me replacing the JGC with one.
Quote from: MX793 on July 14, 2020, 11:51:05 AM
I'm sure FCA will respond by simply dropping an enormous engine under the hood of the Wrangler,
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/jeep-wrangler-rubicon-392-concept/
Quote from: Galaxy on July 14, 2020, 08:42:02 PM
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/jeep-wrangler-rubicon-392-concept/
They must be saving the supercharger for when SVT releases the King Squatch or Bronco Raptor or whatever.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 14, 2020, 11:00:17 AM
Agree with the Defender. They royally messed that up.
I like the Defender, but I agree it should have been a bit more basic and significantly cheaper. Base should have been $3,000-5,000 less than a Discovery Sport.
Quote from: r0tor on July 14, 2020, 04:21:04 PM
Trembling or death wobbling?
I just googled "death wobble". Jesus, why are there so many suburban fans of this POS?
Also, what are you people towing?
Quote from: Raza on July 14, 2020, 09:39:42 PM
Also, what are you people towing?
Boats, campers...
Quote from: Laconian on July 14, 2020, 09:37:32 PM
I just googled "death wobble". Jesus, why are there so many suburban fans of this POS?
Image > all else
Quote from: Raza on July 14, 2020, 09:39:42 PM
Also, what are you people towing?
The current camper weighs just over 5000 lbs dry- loaded, its close to 6000. The LC is rated at 6500, but its not a good tow vehicle. That camper is in fact a bit cramped for 6 people, and I'd like to have the option to upsize.
I also tow a boat that weighs around 3500. That tows really nicely over the road, and even up mountains and such; but pulling it out of the water is a bit dodgier than I'd like, especially on some of the steeper ramps that are covered with algae and slippery.
Quote from: Laconian on July 14, 2020, 09:37:32 PM
I just googled "death wobble". Jesus, why are there so many suburban fans of this POS?
Thing is, Jeep people claim all solid front axle vehicles are prone to death wobble. I have never experienced it on any other than a later model Wrangler. Not even old, farm grade vehicles that were otherwise complete death traps. Not even on my lifted YJ or the old man's '43 GPW.
I'm not saying it never happens, but man- it is pretty easy to induce on a modern Jeep. Part of me wonders ofnthe oversized wheels (the wheels, not the tires) make it worse.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ncTgYl7P_TE
I'm wondering if the gray-suited automatons at GM regret squandering the Blazer name on something that sits in the boring leftovers slop bins on dealer lots.
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 15, 2020, 11:19:46 AM
I'm wondering if the gray-suited automatons at GM regret squandering the Blazer name on something that sits in the boring leftovers slop bins on dealer lots.
$30k for this dumpy-looking thing (FWD, too) :facepalm:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZF6DbCB/dumpy.png)
Quickly looking at sales data, it seems like the Blazer sells decently. And it's probably cheap for GM to make/develop.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 15, 2020, 12:24:24 PM
Quickly looking at sales data, it seems like the Blazer sells decently. And it's probably cheap for GM to make/develop.
Definitely a bunt for first base.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on July 15, 2020, 12:17:41 PM
$30k for this dumpy-looking thing (FWD, too) :facepalm:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZF6DbCB/dumpy.png)
That's a Blazer? I thought that was the new CamaroX SUV.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 15, 2020, 12:24:24 PM
Quickly looking at sales data, it seems like the Blazer sells decently. And it's probably cheap for GM to make/develop.
All that manly rugged 4X4 offroad heritage to help you get out of the Enterprise Car Rental lot.
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 14, 2020, 06:04:48 AM
It'll be a huge success. I'd like to be a Ford salesman.
https://youtu.be/804v_uYrsko
The Bronco Sport would be a good option for you when the CR-V finally goes tits up. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Speed_Racer on July 15, 2020, 12:17:41 PM
$30k for this dumpy-looking thing (FWD, too) :facepalm:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZF6DbCB/dumpy.png)
:nutty:
Quote from: Laconian on July 15, 2020, 12:27:20 PM
Definitely a bunt for first base.
I don't understand what people want from GM - they didn't have a competitor in that space (FWD midsized crossover), and the Blazer is sharp looking, selling decently, and reviews as a generally pretty decent product.
It's not like the old S-10 Blazer or the old Trailblazer were pinnacles of off road prowess. Also, it's not like Ford doesn't have the Edge, which a lot of people seem to like.
If they didn't have one, y'all would have given them shit.
Also....Ford stock is $6.50.
With that being said, I don't anticipate GM creating a Bronco competitor, sadly. GM has really been streamlining their entries, and I can't see them actually putting any energy into cutting up a Colorado and selling it, unless it was EV only.
Hummer is coming back, maybe they'll make the H4 concept, but make it an EV. That would actually be kind of cool.
(https://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Hummer-HX-Concept-1280x720.jpg)
Side note, I am ALREADY seeing people shit all over the Bronco for dumbshit reasons. I know this forum likes to deride Twitter and FB and social media for "ruining" everything, but lately, I truly wonder if the internet as a whole has ruined car enthusiasm.
IMO karma points on discussion forums have gamified discussions, turning them into venues for converting scorn into points.
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 15, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
The Bronco Sport would be a good option for you when the CR-V finally goes tits up. :ohyeah:
And it will go tits up. Of that I'm certain.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 15, 2020, 04:10:18 PM
Also....Ford stock is $6.50.
What does stock price have to do with anything? Tesla's share price is like $1500 a share and it has never turned an annual profit in 17 years of operation.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 15, 2020, 04:12:50 PM
Side note, I am ALREADY seeing people shit all over the Bronco for dumbshit reasons. I know this forum likes to deride Twitter and FB and social media for "ruining" everything, but lately, I truly wonder if the internet as a whole has ruined car enthusiasm.
They have to be "edgy" with a hot take.
Quote from: MX793 on July 15, 2020, 04:53:45 PM
What does stock price have to do with anything? Tesla's share price is like $1500 a share and it has never turned an annual profit in 17 years of operation.
Tesla > Ferd :erjerbs:
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 15, 2020, 04:43:00 PM
And it will go tits up. Of that I'm certain.
Why not just dump it now? Clearly you don't like it. No matter the problems, it's still a CR-V with great resale value, and right now the used car market is a sellers market (at least right this instant)
Quote from: 2o6 on July 15, 2020, 04:12:50 PM
Side note, I am ALREADY seeing people shit all over the Bronco for dumbshit reasons. I know this forum likes to deride Twitter and FB and social media for "ruining" everything, but lately, I truly wonder if the internet as a whole has ruined car enthusiasm.
I think its a really good vehicle for what its intended to be. It just doesn't fit my current needs, and I'd hoped it would, that's all.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 15, 2020, 04:12:50 PM
Side note, I am ALREADY seeing people shit all over the Bronco for dumbshit reasons. I know this forum likes to deride Twitter and FB and social media for "ruining" everything, but lately, I truly wonder if the internet as a whole has ruined car enthusiasm.
Quote from: Laconian on July 15, 2020, 04:27:55 PM
IMO karma points on discussion forums have gamified discussions, turning them into venues for converting scorn into points.
People on the internet are ruining lots of things. :(
Quote from: Laconian on July 15, 2020, 04:27:55 PM
IMO karma points on discussion forums have gamified discussions, turning them into venues for converting scorn into points.
-2 points for using the term "gamified"
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 16, 2020, 06:58:37 AM
-2 points for using the term "gamified"
+1 for assigning points
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 16, 2020, 07:06:40 AM
+1 for assigning points
Gilded! Congrats on making the front page!
Quote from: Laconian on July 16, 2020, 11:21:40 AM
Gilded! Congrats on making the front page!
This is a horse thread, so I read that as gelded.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 16, 2020, 11:32:57 AM
This is a horse thread, so I read that as gelded.
So were're saying that a Blazer is like a gelded Bronco? No wonder it looks to bloated.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 15, 2020, 04:10:18 PM
I don't understand what people want from GM - they didn't have a competitor in that space (FWD midsized crossover), and the Blazer is sharp looking, selling decently, and reviews as a generally pretty decent product.
It's not like the old S-10 Blazer or the old Trailblazer were pinnacles of off road prowess. Also, it's not like Ford doesn't have the Edge, which a lot of people seem to like.
If they didn't have one, y'all would have given them shit.
Also....Ford stock is $6.50.
With that being said, I don't anticipate GM creating a Bronco competitor, sadly. GM has really been streamlining their entries, and I can't see them actually putting any energy into cutting up a Colorado and selling it, unless it was EV only.
Hummer is coming back, maybe they'll make the H4 concept, but make it an EV. That would actually be kind of cool.
(https://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Hummer-HX-Concept-1280x720.jpg)
https://www.caranddriver.com/gmc/hummer-ev
Quote from: 2o6 on July 15, 2020, 04:10:18 PM
I don't understand what people want from GM - they didn't have a competitor in that space (FWD midsized crossover), and the Blazer is sharp looking, selling decently, and reviews as a generally pretty decent product.
It's not like the old S-10 Blazer or the old Trailblazer were pinnacles of off road prowess.
Excuse me
(https://s31.wheelsage.org/format/picture/picture-preview-large/c/chevrolet/blazer_zr2/chevrolet_blazer_zr2_2.jpg)
The ZR2 was a freaking beast off road.
Quote from: MX793 on July 15, 2020, 05:31:50 AM
Boats, campers...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 15, 2020, 06:22:08 AM
The current camper weighs just over 5000 lbs dry- loaded, its close to 6000. The LC is rated at 6500, but its not a good tow vehicle. That camper is in fact a bit cramped for 6 people, and I'd like to have the option to upsize.
I also tow a boat that weighs around 3500. That tows really nicely over the road, and even up mountains and such; but pulling it out of the water is a bit dodgier than I'd like, especially on some of the steeper ramps that are covered with algae and slippery.
Okay, well, what's a camper?
EDIT: I Googled it. Looks like an RV without the car part? A caravan.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 15, 2020, 04:12:50 PM
Side note, I am ALREADY seeing people shit all over the Bronco for dumbshit reasons. I know this forum likes to deride Twitter and FB and social media for "ruining" everything, but lately, I truly wonder if the internet as a whole has ruined car enthusiasm.
Lots of realities have ruined car enthusiasm (not least cars themselves), but this Bronco is a hit. Apparently, white people tow small, shitty houses behind their car a lot, and it's not great for that, but other than that this car is really cool.
Quote from: Raza on July 20, 2020, 11:37:07 AM
Okay, well, what's a camper?
EDIT: I Googled it. Looks like an RV without the car part? A caravan.
A caravan is a group of people, vehicles, and possibly animals traveling together in a line.
A camper trailer is a trailerized living space, with amenities like running water and/or a toilet, used in lieu of a tent or cabin when camping.
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
A caravan is a group of people, vehicles, and possibly animals traveling together in a line.
A camper trailer is a trailerized living space, with amenities like running water and/or a toilet, used in lieu of a tent or cabin when camping.
That's one definition of a caravan. I'm talking about the things they used to destroy on Top Gear. I'd honestly never heard the term camper used to describe something other than a person who camps before. Whether in wilderness or in a video game. I know I joke about being out of touch, but this one was for real. When I go on vacation, I've never desired to drag my hotel along behind my car.
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
A caravan is a group of people, vehicles, and possibly animals traveling together in a line.
A camper trailer is a trailerized living space, with amenities like running water and/or a toilet, used in lieu of a tent or cabin when camping.
That could also be a convoy.
Quote from: Raza on July 20, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
That's one definition of a caravan. I'm talking about the things they used to destroy on Top Gear. I'd honestly never heard the term camper used to describe something other than a person who camps before. Whether in wilderness or in a video game. I know I joke about being out of touch, but this one was for real. When I go on vacation, I've never desired to drag my hotel along behind my car.
The British, maybe the Aussies as well, refer to them as caravans. I always thought caravans involved camels.
Quote from: Raza on July 20, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
That's one definition of a caravan. I'm talking about the things they used to destroy on Top Gear. I'd honestly never heard the term camper used to describe something other than a person who camps before. Whether in wilderness or in a video game. I know I joke about being out of touch, but this one was for real. When I go on vacation, I've never desired to drag my hotel along behind my car.
Caravan, from the French Caravane, which means group of travellers. That the English decided to associate the word with the covered wagons used by caravans, and then extend that association to travel trailers, is a separate matter.
Many people with camper trailers use them to stay in remote places devoid of hotels. You can rent camp spaces out in the woods at many parks. You can bring a tent or trailer. Some have small cabins for rent, in addition to sites for tents or trailers.
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2020, 12:18:01 PM
Caravan, from the French Caravane, which means group of travellers. That the English decided to associate the word with the covered wagons used by caravans, and then extend that association to travel trailers, is a separate matter.
Many people with camper trailers use them to stay in remote places devoid of hotels. You can rent camp spaces out in the woods at many parks. You can bring a tent or trailer. Some have small cabins for rent, in addition to sites for tents or trailers.
See, renting a cabin is more my speed. Did it last year, loved it. Actual camping? Not for me.
Quote from: Raza on July 20, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
That's one definition of a caravan. I'm talking about the things they used to destroy on Top Gear. I'd honestly never heard the term camper used to describe something other than a person who camps before. Whether in wilderness or in a video game. I know I joke about being out of touch, but this one was for real. When I go on vacation, I've never desired to drag my hotel along behind my car.
'Rona makes campers more attractive due to their self sufficiency - you have your own kitchen, your own bathroom - but otherwise I agree with you. The insurance, fuel, and depreciation definitely make RVs a losing value proposition against hotels, unless you have a LOT OF TIME to spend in that RV to amortize the costs.
Quote from: Laconian on July 20, 2020, 12:29:43 PM
'Rona makes campers more attractive due to their self sufficiency - you have your own kitchen, your own bathroom - but otherwise I agree with you. The insurance, fuel, and depreciation definitely make RVs a losing value proposition against hotels, unless you have a LOT OF TIME to spend in that RV to amortize the costs.
Hotels have BED BUGS :rage:
Quote from: Raza on July 20, 2020, 12:26:38 PM
See, renting a cabin is more my speed. Did it last year, loved it. Actual camping? Not for me.
All the camper is is a portable cabin. Mine's more or less self-contained, so I can set it up anywhere on state or national forest areas. A couple weeks ago, I went to a spot on the Rifle River; spent a few days fishing, or kayaking, or just sitting and watching the river go by in a beautiful, secluded spot.
Ok, so lots of people just go to RV parks or organized campgrounds, which are basically like portable trailer parks; and I don't get that.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 21, 2020, 05:30:53 AM
All the camper is is a portable cabin. Mine's more or less self-contained, so I can set it up anywhere on state or national forest areas. A couple weeks ago, I went to a spot on the Rifle River; spent a few days fishing, or kayaking, or just sitting and watching the river go by in a beautiful, secluded spot.
Ok, so lots of people just go to RV parks or organized campgrounds, which are basically like portable trailer parks; and I don't get that.
It's a taste of trailer park living without having to fully commit to the white trash lifestyle.
Quote from: Laconian on July 20, 2020, 12:29:43 PM
'Rona makes campers more attractive due to their self sufficiency - you have your own kitchen, your own bathroom - but otherwise I agree with you. The insurance, fuel, and depreciation definitely make RVs a losing value proposition against hotels, unless you have a LOT OF TIME to spend in that RV to amortize the costs.
OK, but what "leisure purchase" ever makes financial sense overall?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 21, 2020, 07:22:29 AM
OK, but what "leisure purchase" ever makes financial sense overall?
I have lots of fun paying for the accommodations I actually use, while not having to maintain or drive or shoehorn my hotel room into noisy camper lots with other RV folks.
Quote from: Laconian on July 21, 2020, 12:57:08 PM
I have lots of fun paying for the accommodations I actually use, while not having to maintain or drive or shoehorn my hotel room into noisy camper lots with other RV folks.
Like I said, I don't really get camper lots.
But you may have lots of fun; but paying isn't part of that fun, is it?
BTW, y'all bought that boat yet?
We rent our boats. Per-day it's expensive, but it's a huge convenience and cost savings in the end.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 21, 2020, 05:30:53 AM
All the camper is is a portable cabin. Mine's more or less self-contained, so I can set it up anywhere on state or national forest areas. A couple weeks ago, I went to a spot on the Rifle River; spent a few days fishing, or kayaking, or just sitting and watching the river go by in a beautiful, secluded spot.
Ok, so lots of people just go to RV parks or organized campgrounds, which are basically like portable trailer parks; and I don't get that.
The cabin I rented had WiFi. :lol:
But my biggest question that remains is--aren't all trailer parks portable trailer parks?
Quote from: Raza on July 21, 2020, 10:28:54 PM
The cabin I rented had WiFi. :lol:
But my biggest question that remains is--aren't all trailer parks portable trailer parks?
I actually like getting out of cell range. Otherwise, I've gone pretty soft.
Yes and no?
I mean, its a much bigger deal moving a "trailer park" trailer; they take the wheels off and everything.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 22, 2020, 05:17:24 AM
I actually like getting out of cell range. Otherwise, I've gone pretty soft.
I can live with being soft. :lol:
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Yes and no?
I mean, its a much bigger deal moving a "trailer park" trailer; they take the wheels off and everything.
That's fair. But for the Supreme Court, even a mobile home without wheels has the same level of privacy as a car and not a home, due to "inherent mobility".
Difficult to overstate my late dad's visceral loathing of caravaners.
Queues of traffic on some 'A' road stuck behind a 27 mph Ford Consul with caravan in tow.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 21, 2020, 07:22:29 AM
OK, but what "leisure purchase" ever makes financial sense overall?
Freeman fishing catamarans. People are selling the darn things used for more than they cost new. I spend about 70% of my free time drooling over them. If only...
Quote from: 565 on July 26, 2020, 05:10:29 PM
Freeman fishing catamarans. People are selling the darn things used for more than they cost new. I spend about 70% of my free time drooling over them. If only...
OK. Same with Airstreams, and many guns and airplanes too. I guess- as long as the operating costs aren't added to the calculations...
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 26, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Difficult to overstate my late dad's visceral loathing of caravaners.
Queues of traffic on some 'A' road stuck behind a 27 mph Ford Consul with caravan in tow.
That won't fly in merrica. You need a 950 HP lifted truck to tow anything here, or your dick is small.
I saw a 2015ish Kia SUV towing an early 2010s Ram 1500 with a front axle trailer. I didn't think anything of it at first, but it had to be past the tow rating for the Kia. It definitely wasn't the Borrego. First time I've ever seen anyone tow near the max or beyond the max tow rating down here.
Quote from: Rich on July 27, 2020, 08:55:23 AM
I saw a 2015ish Kia SUV towing an early 2010s Ram 1500 with a front axle trailer. I didn't think anything of it at first, but it had to be past the tow rating for the Kia. It definitely wasn't the Borrego. First time I've ever seen anyone tow near the max or beyond the max tow rating down here.
Flat towing is a little different from hitch towing in terms of how it affects the tow vehicle (e.g. dynamic stability). Less strain on the rear suspension since tongue weight is basically zero. Still the same demand on brakes and power train, though.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 26, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
That won't fly in merrica. You need a 950 HP lifted truck to tow anything here, or because your dick is small.
FIFY :ohyeah:
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 26, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Difficult to overstate my late dad's visceral loathing of caravaners.
Queues of traffic on some 'A' road stuck behind a 27 mph Ford Consul with caravan in tow.
I've begun calling them caravaners here. I think ranting about them is required. They're always clogging up the roads and forcing semi trucks to pass them, which gets in the way of normal car traffic.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 28, 2020, 10:38:07 AM
I've begun calling them caravaners here. I think ranting about them is required. They're always clogging up the roads and forcing semi trucks to pass them, which gets in the way of normal car traffic.
It's crazy that we don't require the drivers to possess CDLs. Some of those RVs are so freakin' huge!
Quote from: Laconian on July 28, 2020, 11:05:40 AM
It's crazy that we don't require the drivers to possess CDLs. Some of those RVs are so freakin' huge!
I believe the bigger motor homes do require a higher class of license.
Quote from: MX793 on July 28, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
I believe the bigger motor homes do require a higher class of license.
Nope: not as long as you are hauling your own property for your own non-commercial purposes.
You do need an air brakes endorsement if your vehicle has them, and recreational doubles (two trailers) require an endorsement, but there is no driving test, just a written one and a fee.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 28, 2020, 12:05:50 PM
Nope: not as long as you are hauling your own property for your own non-commercial purposes.
You do need an air brakes endorsement if your vehicle has them, and recreational doubles (two trailers) require an endorsement, but there is no driving test, just a written one and a fee.
So I don't need an A or a B license to drive most motor homes? I was looking to rent one to see what it's like, seems like some asks for A or B licenses..
Nifty feature...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LdieND_f28
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 06, 2020, 10:34:32 AM
Nifty feature...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LdieND_f28
Just like what VWs with the split parking brakes were capable of forty years ago; or what the 200 series Land Cruisers have done for the last 10...
The old Case tractor we had on the farm 70 years ago had a similar feature, split brake pedal that you could apply to either back wheel. Clip them together if you wanted both to brake evenly.
I expect that the Bronco works on electronics.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 06, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
The old Case tractor we had on the farm 70 years ago had a similar feature, split brake pedal that you could apply to either back wheel. Clip them together if you wanted both to brake evenly.
I expect that the Bronco works on electronics.
Oh I'm 100% positive it does.
Yeah how often are people going to wear out one tire doing that on the street :confused:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 06, 2020, 04:31:10 PM
Yeah how often are people going to wear out one tire doing that on the street :confused:
Probably only engages in "sand" mode or something.
I'm getting really tired of the spec sheet "comparo" videos flooding YouTube.
Well there is a video of it getting stuck on the Rubicon to break up the terrible videos
Now if only we could start seeing these on the streets. I'm tired of seeing the lame baby Broncos, I want to see the real thing.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35968044/ford-bronco-manual-transmission/
Ford Bronco Buyers Are Going Crazy for Stick Shifts
The Bronco has a much higher manual take rate than the Jeep Wrangler, at least judging from the pre-orders.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 29, 2021, 10:33:47 AM
Now if only we could start seeing these on the streets. I'm tired of seeing the lame baby Broncos, I want to see the real thing.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35968044/ford-bronco-manual-transmission/
Ford Bronco Buyers Are Going Crazy for Stick Shifts
The Bronco has a much higher manual take rate than the Jeep Wrangler, at least judging from the pre-orders.
I feel like the numbers are probably skewed by diehards. Once the gotta-have-its get theirs, take rate will probably end up similar to Wrangler.
My GF put in a reservation for 2-door Big Bend this week. Though from what I've heard, it'll be this time next year before she gets it.
When they hit the showrooms in a few weeks she's going to take a closer look and decide whether to keep or cancel but so far she's pretty jazzed about it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pDd7rgc/bbbronc.jpg)
Quote from: Speed_Racer on June 17, 2021, 03:55:47 PM
My GF put in a reservation for 2-door Big Bend this week. Though from what I've heard, it'll be this time next year before she gets it.
When they hit the showrooms in a few weeks she's going to take a closer look and decide whether to keep or cancel but so far she's pretty jazzed about it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pDd7rgc/bbbronc.jpg)
I'm like a 1/4 inch from ordering one as well.
Which model?
2-door, black diamond, MT.
I already have 2 first year cars, can't order a first year Bronco
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 17, 2021, 09:34:27 PM
I already have 2 first year cars, can't order a first year Bronco
This is what keeps me from ordering: including the possibility that next year the manual will be available with the larger engine.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2021, 09:12:24 AM
This is what keeps me from ordering: including the possibility that next year the manual will be available with the larger engine.
That would make it significantly more appealing. I can't imagine driving something with 35" tires with a 2 liter turbo.
Quote from: MrH on June 18, 2021, 09:17:31 AM
That would make it significantly more appealing. I can't imagine driving something with 35" tires with a 2 liter turbo.
Wouldn't do 35" tires. If you can't get there on 31s, you're going the wrong way.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
Wouldn't do 35" tires. If you can't get there on 31s, you're going the wrong way.
There's a difference in off-roaders... ones who are there to take the hard line and spend $$$ to do it and the others (like me) who will take the easy line and just enjoy being out there.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 18, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
There's a difference in off-roaders... one's who are there to take the hard line and spend $$$ to do it and the others (like me) who will take the easy line and just enjoy being out there.
There are; and almost never are the smart ones doing it (taking the hard line) in a rig that does double duty as a daily driver, or is a new, basically stock vehicle.
Serious question: why get this over a Jeep?
Quote from: Submariner on June 18, 2021, 12:43:30 PM
Serious question: why get this over a Jeep?
Better standard equipment for the price.
No death wobble
Not a Chrysler/Stellantis product with Chrysler/Stellantis quality and reliability (Jeep is a perpetual cellar dweller).
Quote from: Submariner on June 18, 2021, 12:43:30 PM
Serious question: why get this over a Jeep?
It looks better, is considerably a better daily vehicle when it comes to comfort, and its not a Jeep so I don't have to do that stupid wave.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2021, 01:02:50 PM
It looks better, is considerably a better daily vehicle when it comes to comfort, and its not a Jeep so I don't have to do that stupid wave.
The Jeep club greeting wave or the flag down a tow truck wave?
Quote from: MX793 on June 18, 2021, 01:13:50 PM
The Jeep club greeting wave or the flag down a tow truck wave?
the first.
After a couple failed appointments at our awful local Ford dealer, Melissa was finally able to get a short test drive of a 2-door Badlands.
Pros:
- Ride and handling is leaps and bounds better than the Wrangler. Ride was firm but not choppy.
- Steering & manual trans are pretty darn good
- Survivable rear seat
- It's just plain fun to ride in & drive around
Cons:
- 2.3L ecoboost has some lag at low RPMs but has pep when the turbo kicks in
- Not a fan of the vinyl or waterproof seat material. Sticks to my legs
- If she sticks with what she pre-ordered, they're expecting it to be multiple years until her reservation is built
She's still deciding if she wants to stick with this or explore other vehicles. They could swap her reservation for a stock model if/when they arrive but she'd have to compromise on some features & options. They were also shady about ADMs - they're selling at MSRP on pre-ordered versions but adding +$5k adjustments to floor models. They were shifty about whether a pre-order to floor model conversion would be hit with the $5k ADM. If so, she's calling around and will transfer her pre-order to a dealer that has committed to selling preorders & floor models at MSRP and go with that.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2ZGjpM5/20210804-135316.jpg)
Fun, I really like the looks.
Multiple. Years. Are you kidding me?
Quote from: Laconian on August 04, 2021, 06:12:47 PM
Multiple. Years. Are you kidding me?
No, he's not. Its ridiculous.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2021, 06:51:47 PM
No, he's not. Its ridiculous.
Sounds like the Same crap that's going on with C8 Corvettes......
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 04, 2021, 06:02:05 PM
Fun, I really like the looks.
The car's not bad either.
:thatsthejoke:
If it was me I'd wait until the car market died down a bit.
You have to wonder if this will finally force the Wrangler to evolve into a vehicle that at least resembles something made in the last 30 years
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 04, 2021, 06:02:05 PM
Fun, I really like the looks.
Yeah Ford got this one right! This is what the Blazer should have been!
Quote from: Laconian on August 04, 2021, 06:12:47 PM
Multiple. Years. Are you kidding me?
Insane popularity! From what I've read, they have close to 200k official pre-orders ($100 deposit) but the salesperson said they're only going to get 80k off the factory line each year.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 05, 2021, 05:44:37 AM
The car's not bad either.
:thatsthejoke:
If it was me I'd wait until the car market died down a bit.
Hehheh they're both keepers ;)
If it were me I'd wait too. But ideally she's looking to buy
something fun in the next 6-12 months. Waiting 24-36+ until demand dies down would probably have her buy something else. If the Bronco is anything like the Wrangler, used prices will be crazy so that's not a great option.
Quote from: r0tor on August 05, 2021, 05:59:24 AM
You have to wonder if this will finally force the Wrangler to evolve into a vehicle that at least resembles something made in the last 30 years
About time! We spent some time in our friend's brand new Wrangler 4-door and it is a brutal ride. Why would you buy it for commuting?! It's too bad because the 4xe hybrid is a pretty cool deal
I thought the punishing ride was some kind of tacticool cosplay thing.
I think I read they're getting like a 60-65% conversion rate on preorders for Bronco. It might get less after they get through the die hard fans that reserved in the first few hours.
I put in a reservation for a Lightning, so I'm curious how this will play out for Bronco.
I know another guy with a Lightning reservation. He's really not a truck guy, but the spec sheet and price were just too enticing. Lots of possibilities with that enormous battery.
I would buy one if I could afford another damn monthly payment. The powertrain is from the new Ranger, shouldn't be too many bugs. It would be a special order, Ford always delivers the optioned up ones first. I want a base model.
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
I know another guy with a Lightning reservation. He's really not a truck guy, but the spec sheet and price were just too enticing. Lots of possibilities with that enormous battery.
Yeah, I'm not a huge truck guy either, but it's a hell of a compelling argument. The big front trunk adds a lot of functionality. You basically have a massive crossover worth of passenger space and a trunk in the front, plus a huge bed. Then you add in 0-60 in 4 seconds, AWD, instant torque. Throw in subsidies and lack of gas costs, and it's within spitting distance of what my Outback is worth. There are at least a few times a month where having a truck bed would be really nice. EV applied to trucks make the most sense to me. They benefit from instant torque a lot, they consume the most gas, etc. An EV drivetrain eliminates pretty much everything I hate about ICE trucks.
If the girlfriend has an ICE crossover that we can take on anything over a Lightning's range, why not go for it? Especially with all the talk of more EV subsidies, especially UAW produced EVs...
I totally hate EV subsidies, but I don't hate the player, I hate the game. If these are the cards we're dealt, I'm going to take advantage of it.
I'll be interested to see the towing range on the Lightning. Every tow test I've seen for an EV results in really abysmal range. Not great if you tow a camper unless your campsite is really close to home.
Yeah, I don't think it's really intended for people who tow campers regularly. It's great for suburban home depot types
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2021, 10:41:20 AM
I thought the punishing ride was some kind of tacticool cosplay thing.
Everything about these vehicles is at least partially fantasy based.
Not 1% of Jeep owners will ever go to Moab, or trek across the Gobi desert, or do a mountain trail. Sure, some do; but the other 99% are fantasizing they could, while they load up the groceries.
The same could be said about most Vette and Lamborghini, and other high performance car owners. Very few will ever do anything other than 15 over on the highway or stop light drags.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 05, 2021, 03:52:08 PM
Everything about these vehicles is at least partially fantasy based.
Not 1% of Jeep owners will ever go to Moab, or trek across the Gobi desert, or do a mountain trail. Sure, some do; but the other 99% are fantasizing they could, while they load up the groceries.
The same could be said about most Vette and Lamborghini, and other high performance car owners. Very few will ever do anything other than 15 over on the highway or stop light drags.
And some percentage of these will end up putting their car into a ditch or wrapping it around a tree.
Quote from: MX793 on August 05, 2021, 05:19:19 PM
And some percentage of these will end up putting their car into a ditch or wrapping it around a tree.
All part of the circle of life.
https://youtu.be/wLvJd6V7HTo
Quote from: MX793 on August 05, 2021, 05:19:19 PM
And some percentage of these will end up putting their car into a ditch or wrapping it around a tree.
My wife loves watching these videos. First thing in the morning, well first thing when she gets up, she's watching her cell phone cackling away watching dumb driver crash videos.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 05, 2021, 06:38:56 PM
My wife loves watching these videos. First thing in the morning, well first thing when she gets up, she's watching her cell phone cackling away watching dumb driver crash videos.
How does she feel about dumb boat launch videos?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 05, 2021, 03:52:08 PM
Everything about these vehicles is at least partially fantasy based.
Not 1% of Jeep owners will ever go to Moab, or trek across the Gobi desert, or do a mountain trail. Sure, some do; but the other 99% are fantasizing they could, while they load up the groceries.
The same could be said about most Vette and Lamborghini, and other high performance car owners. Very few will ever do anything other than 15 over on the highway or stop light drags.
The difference is all the dreaming stuff actually results in something like a Vette driving great... Your not shooting yourself in the foot living with an ancient recirculating ball steering rack
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 05, 2021, 07:00:07 PM
How does she feel about dumb boat launch videos?
I don't think that she's found them yet.
Quote from: r0tor on August 05, 2021, 07:14:09 PM
The difference is all the dreaming stuff actually results in something like a Vette driving great... Your not shooting yourself in the foot living with an ancient recirculating ball steering rack
To a certain extent, yeah.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 05, 2021, 07:35:19 PM
I don't think that she's found them yet.
One of my major guilty pleasures.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 05, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
One of my major guilty pleasures.
I'll suggest it to her. Anything to put her in a good mood.
I literally just realized that the bronco and bronco sport are two different vehicles entirely.
Quote from: Submariner on August 05, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
I literally just realized that the bronco and bronco sport are two different vehicles entirely.
The Bronco Sport is another iteration of the Escape. Looks better IMO.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 05, 2021, 07:49:52 PM
I'll suggest it to her. Anything to put her in a good mood.
Broncosguru on YouTube
Lol about vehicles not being used right, few years back I saw a yellow Lambo at the post office in SC then a half hour later as I was doing my errands saw it again, doing their errands. :)
As CarSPINners I think we can all agree that a Lamborghini is the ideal car to run errands in.
GF got the email that she could convert her online reservation to a dealer reservation today. Progress!
As for when they'll start building and deliver it...it's still up in the air. So far it seems like "sometime" next year.
2022 Big Bend 2-dr in "Eruption Green Metallic" over Onyx interior
2.3L + 7 speed man.
Options: LED signature headlights, 4.46 axle w/ rear locker, keypad entry, rear door table, console locking storage, crossbars, tow pkg
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvKJTTKW/Capture.png)
Woah, congrats. Really cool configuration. 2-door green manual is going to be a total unicorn car.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on October 15, 2021, 03:15:10 PM
GF got the email that she could convert her online reservation to a dealer reservation today. Progress!
As for when they'll start building and deliver it...it's still up in the air. So far it seems like "sometime" next year.
2022 Big Bend 2-dr in "Eruption Green Metallic" over Onyx interior
2.3L + 7 speed man.
Options: LED signature headlights, 4.46 axle w/ rear locker, keypad entry, rear door table, console locking storage, crossbars, tow pkg
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvKJTTKW/Capture.png)
Nice!
It really is a nice green.
I don't think they made that one at first, did they? I looked, and remembered being disappointed there wasn't a better green.
I like a good green.
I call dibs on buying it when she's done with it
It's a brand new color for 2022 models. She originally wanted Area 51 but has been seeing it pretty frequently
She wanted something unique without being too flashy like the orange or yellow colors
Quote from: Speed_Racer on October 15, 2021, 11:35:17 PM
It's a brand new color for 2022 models. She originally wanted Area 51 but has been seeing it pretty frequently
She wanted something unique without being too flashy like the orange or yellow colors
Looks very nice!
Quote from: Speed_Racer on October 15, 2021, 03:15:10 PM
GF got the email that she could convert her online reservation to a dealer reservation today. Progress!
As for when they'll start building and deliver it...it's still up in the air. So far it seems like "sometime" next year.
2022 Big Bend 2-dr in "Eruption Green Metallic" over Onyx interior
2.3L + 7 speed man.
Options: LED signature headlights, 4.46 axle w/ rear locker, keypad entry, rear door table, console locking storage, crossbars, tow pkg
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvKJTTKW/Capture.png)
I'm not really a 4x4 guy, but I do like the new Broncos. Especially in 2-door form. I even kind of like the little Bronco Sport.
Quote from: MX793 on October 16, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
I'm not really a 4x4 guy, but I do like the new Broncos. Especially in 2-door form. I even kind of like the little Bronco Sport.
Rugged, but in a suave sort of way.
Awesome, just awesome.
Melissa got her initial production date (Jan 24, 2022) & VIN today. It's getting built earlier than expected but she's not complaining. It'd be a nice surprise if she can take delivery in Feb, her birthday month :muffin:
Quote from: Speed_Racer on November 18, 2021, 03:21:37 PM
Melissa got her initial production date (Jan 24, 2022) & VIN today. It's getting built earlier than expected but she's not complaining. It'd be a nice surprise if she can take delivery in Feb, her birthday month :muffin:
:rockon:
I just learned about the Bronco's weight.. wow, it's quite a porker!
Quote from: Laconian on November 20, 2021, 03:12:15 PM
I just learned about the Bronco's weight.. wow, it's quite a porker!
Maybe the pictures play tricks on my mind, or it's the wheel/tire pkgs, but I'm always surprised how much larger they are in person than I expect them to be.
A 4-dr next to her current whip:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Dyf8zh5d/20211009-152644-2.jpg)
Vs. Ranger:
(https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/area-51-2021-ford-bronco-looks-sasquatch-big-compared-to-its-t6-platform-sibling-158148_1.jpg)
They're in the same range as the competitors I could think of.
Modern vehicles are heavy.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 20, 2021, 07:53:48 PM
They're in the same range as the competitors I could think of.
Modern vehicles are heavy.
IIRC, Wrangler is a fair bit lighter.
Quote from: MX793 on November 20, 2021, 08:01:49 PM
IIRC, Wrangler is a fair bit lighter.
Google says 3900 to 4500 with the Bronco at 4200-4900.
Not enough of a difference to make much of a difference.
Maverick hybrid is coming in around 3700 at the low end. Which is why the gas mileage numbers are so much better, even on the non-hybrid terbow version.
I've seen a few 4 door Broncos in person now, and they are big. I'd like to see a 2 door to see if they are also very big or if the shorter length reduces the overall perception of bigness
For those with bags of cash and the urge to climb mountains...2022 Ford Bronco Raptor (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/2022-ford-bronco-raptor-brings-monster-energy/ar-AAT5qJX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
Slide Show (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/2022-ford-bronco-raptor-brings-monster-energy/ar-AAT5qJX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fullscreen=true#image=AAT5qJX_1%7C1)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0jfHsKbz/AAT5qDP.jpg)
Those fender flares look pretty bad.
So with the gouging going on for Regular Cooking Grade Broncos, what will this actually go for?
https://www.vroom.com/inventory/ford-bronco-2021-1FMDE5FPXMLA20471
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 24, 2022, 09:54:45 AM
So with the gouging going on for Regular Cooking Grade Broncos, what will this actually go for?
https://www.vroom.com/inventory/ford-bronco-2021-1FMDE5FPXMLA20471
$180K
Same flaw as the regular Raptor - too wide for everyday usage
Quote from: r0tor on January 24, 2022, 11:35:34 AM
Same flaw as the regular Raptor - too wide for everyday usage
I have the same problem with my ass.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 24, 2022, 10:47:25 AM
$180K
2022 Ford Bronco Raptor Price Starts At $69,995, Gets Big Upgrades (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/enthusiasts/2022-ford-bronco-raptor-price-starts-at-69-995-gets-big-upgrades/ar-AAT5Mou?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMMMLfzAGrI
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 25, 2022, 08:28:32 AM
2022 Ford Bronco Raptor Price Starts At $69,995, Gets Big Upgrades (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/enthusiasts/2022-ford-bronco-raptor-price-starts-at-69-995-gets-big-upgrades/ar-AAT5Mou?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMMMLfzAGrI
Yes, and I posted an ad for a first edition (which is just a badge on a normal Bronco) going for $80k. I'm wondernt what the actual markup on the Raptor will be.
(I think Ford should have waited another year and milked sales of the non-Raptor before releasing this)
Ford's Latest Bronco One-Off Is Excellent, Somehow Pope-Themed (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/enthusiasts/ford-s-latest-bronco-one-off-is-excellent-somehow-pope-themed/ar-AAT7Lsh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
After selling the first production 2022 Bronco at a Barrett-Jackson auction last year, Ford is once again bringing one to the auction house this week. This example, however, is a four-door with a theme. This one is a customized four-door Bronco First Edition, set to be auctioned to support Detroit's Pope Francis Center. To follow the theme, the Bronco is Pope-themed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pxb4wtVs/2021-ford-bronco-pope-francis-center-first-edition-01-1643085320.jpg)
I wonder if they'll have an OJ themed version. It would sell for really big bucks at Barrett-Jackson.
These massive stock tires on Broncos and Wranglers; they're not really that good in the snow or ice, correct? They're more for off-roading.
Quote from: veeman on January 26, 2022, 11:43:01 AM
These massive stock tires on Broncos and Wranglers; they're not really that good in the snow or ice, correct? They're more for off-roading.
It depends on the tire? If the all-terrain tire has a 3 Peak Mountain Snowflake rating then it is designed for better handling in snow and ice. Many all-terrain tires don't have this rating but they are available. The tires on the Bronco in the picture above appear to be BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 tires which are 3PMSF rated.
Some of them would benefit from having skinnier tires, even if they are snow rated. Depends on how much and what type of snow you're driving on.
Quote from: veeman on January 26, 2022, 11:43:01 AM
These massive stock tires on Broncos and Wranglers; they're not really that good in the snow or ice, correct? They're more for off-roading.
ice, no; they're pretty bad actually. Snow, it depends- if its deep packed snow, they can be some help, but usually no.
Quote from: RomanChariot on January 26, 2022, 12:02:38 PM
It depends on the tire? If the all-terrain tire has a 3 Peak Mountain Snowflake rating then it is designed for better handling in snow and ice. Many all-terrain tires don't have this rating but they are available. The tires on the Bronco in the picture above appear to be BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 tires which are 3PMSF rated.
Remember though- the 3PMSF symbol is a minimum rating, and it means compared to an identical sized regular all season tire that it does 10% better on medium packed snow. That's it.
The size of the tire may still be inappropriate for the conditions.
Yeah thanks.
The police Ford Explorer cruisers all have these undersized skinny winter wheels/tires on in our town in the winter and I know winter tire/wheel packages are never these massive stock tires I'm seeing on Broncos, Wranglers, and the like. They look cool (especially the full size spare hanging on the rear). Probably great on pot holes because there is so much tire side wall height.
Big tires can be great for sand, mud, and rocks. They can be good for deep snow. Just not the kind of packed snow and ice that is a hazard on roads.
Yeah the Artic exploration trucks have massive balloon tires. But skinny tires that can cut through the snow/ice/slush are usually better for driving on roads
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 26, 2022, 03:55:41 PM
Big tires can be great for sand, mud, and rocks. They can be good for deep snow. Just not the kind of packed snow and ice that is a hazard on roads.
What about if you put chains on them?
Quote from: Submariner on January 26, 2022, 07:38:26 PM
What about if you put chains on them?
It's not going anywhere if you chain it up.
Quote from: Submariner on January 26, 2022, 07:38:26 PM
What about if you put chains on them?
I don't know. Would oversized tires with chains be better than normal sized ones with chains? I don't know. My only experience with tire chains is on large trucks.
Wouldn't chains damage one's driveway, especially on such a heavy car? Unless the driveway was completely covered with several inches of snow/ice?
Quote from: veeman on January 27, 2022, 05:26:07 AM
Wouldn't chains damage one's driveway, especially on such a heavy car? Unless the driveway was completely covered with several inches of snow/ice?
Over time, yeah.
Maybe try one of these products...
https://youtu.be/8KQHxbzt1gw
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 26, 2022, 01:10:44 PM
Remember though- the 3PMSF symbol is a minimum rating, and it means compared to an identical sized regular all season tire that it does 10% better on medium packed snow. That's it.
The size of the tire may still be inappropriate for the conditions.
I haven't actually used 3PMSF AT tires but in general AT tires are not great in snow. I bought the truck I am driving now used with 35 inch AT tires with about 50% tread. The tires work great in dirt, sand and mud off-road conditions. They are not great on wet roads and they are terrible on roads with light and/or slushy snow. My previous Suburban with smaller all season tires did much better in those conditions.
BTDT - AT/knobby tires are terrible in winter, esp. on roads (ice, compact snow, slush) - hard tire compound and not good at holding snow in the tread.
Quote from: GoCougs on January 31, 2022, 05:34:52 PM
BTDT - AT/knobby tires are terrible in winter, esp. on roads (ice, compact snow, slush) - hard tire compound and not good at holding snow in the tread.
My AT tires are spectacular on snow. Absolute shit on ice.
3PMSF
I put Michelin X-LTs M+S all-seasons on the F150 and they're surprisingly good in snow. The Salt Lake valley doesn't get enough snow anymore to justify dedicated snow tires (and I don't go up the canyons to the ski resorts). I do keep chains just in case though.
GF's Bronco production date has been pushed a couple times so it's now scheduled to begin next week on the 7th but we'll see if that holds. YouTube vids of the Eruption Green paint look stellar though.
I saw my first Bronco out and about today (still had dealer tags). It was bigger than I expected.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on February 02, 2022, 02:12:32 PM
I saw my first Bronco out and about today (still had dealer tags). It was bigger than I expected.
So they're still rarish outside of the Detroit area then? I see them all the time- and occasionally a new Hummer or Rivian.
I've seen a few in Utah. But no one should be surprised by that
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 02, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
I've seen a few in Utah. But no one should be surprised by that
I'm sure Ford shipped some to some magazine wonks near Moab as soon as they could.
They crashed last spring's Jeep Easter Safari event in Moab - brought a few custom examples to show off to the Jeeple. That's Jeep-people.
It's still fairly rare in So Cal, I've seen maybe 4 at most.. I haven't seen any new Hummers yet and saw 2 Rivians, plus once before it was available to the public.
I see at least a few Broncos a week in Ohio :huh:
I guess that makes sense. This area is big on trucks, off roading SUVs, etc.
I don't think I have seen a non "sport" version yet. Of course I also don't go to malls anymore so maybe that's why
Quote from: MrH on February 14, 2022, 07:18:38 AM
I see at least a few Broncos a week in Ohio :huh:
I guess that makes sense. This area is big on trucks, off roading SUVs, etc.
That's funny, because when I go back to Ohio/Kentucky now, I comment on how there's half as many big trucks as there are in Utah. :lol: Lots more regular sedans for commuting.
But part of that is Utah spends a lot of money on appearances vs. the midwest. And everyone has a camper trailer, UTV, boat, etc. Lots more household debt per capita.
Quote from: MrH on February 14, 2022, 07:18:38 AM
I see at least a few Broncos a week in Ohio :huh:
I guess that makes sense. This area is big on trucks, off roading SUVs, etc.
Quote from: r0tor on February 14, 2022, 08:14:12 AM
I don't think I have seen a non "sport" version yet. Of course I also don't go to malls anymore so maybe that's why
Yeah, regular or sports version, because I don't really consider sports versions real Broncos, at least not the Broncos that we're talking about in this thread.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 14, 2022, 09:24:58 AM
That's funny, because when I go back to Ohio/Kentucky now, I comment on how there's half as many big trucks as there are in Utah. :lol: Lots more regular sedans for commuting.
But part of that is Utah spends a lot of money on appearances vs. the midwest. And everyone has a camper trailer, UTV, boat, etc. Lots more household debt per capita.
I thought Mormons are really into prepping too.
Utah has always been a big state for outdoor recreation and these days a lot of that involves camp trailers and off-road vehicles. My family has always done a fair amount of camping but my wife enjoys it a lot more now that we have a camp trailer and having a trailer requires a suitable tow vehicle.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 14, 2022, 09:24:58 AM
That's funny, because when I go back to Ohio/Kentucky now, I comment on how there's half as many big trucks as there are in Utah. :lol: Lots more regular sedans for commuting.
But part of that is Utah spends a lot of money on appearances vs. the midwest. And everyone has a camper trailer, UTV, boat, etc. Lots more household debt per capita.
Active outdoor lifestyles facilitated by loud, gas-burning toys with zero calories expended from exercise. RIP quiet walks in the snow.
Quote from: Laconian on February 14, 2022, 11:55:25 AM
Active outdoor lifestyles facilitated by loud, gas-burning toys with zero calories expended from exercise. RIP quiet walks in the snow.
I really want electric UTVs to catch on. I love UTVs but they sound horrible with their dumb CVT transmissions.
Quote from: RomanChariot on February 14, 2022, 11:27:56 AM
Utah has always been a big state for outdoor recreation and these days a lot of that involves camp trailers and off-road vehicles. My family has always done a fair amount of camping but my wife enjoys it a lot more now that we have a camp trailer and having a trailer requires a suitable tow vehicle.
Yes, there are plenty of BroDozers that never tow anything but I think a majority of trucks around here do tow a camper/boat/UTV semi-frequently. A higher percentage than most states.
GF's build date got bumped several times from 1/24 to 2/21. After that date passed without any new bumps or updates, I did some digging through the Bronco forum to figure out if that was good or bad news.
I found some backend links and found that her Bronco rolled off the line 2/26 and is en route to Utah. And just a few hours ago she finally got a build confirmation email and the assembly line photo! She should have it by the end of the month.
We saw a green Bronco in person at a local RV show and it is sharp indeed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hfLxBD3V/IMG-9049.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfLxBD3V)
Looks good! :ohyeah:
:rockon:
That green looks great. Good choice.
Today has been a very good day.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rz4FQrvv/IMG-20220324-142439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rz4FQrvv)
Quote from: Speed_Racer on March 24, 2022, 05:12:53 PM
Today has been a very good day.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rz4FQrvv/IMG-20220324-142439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rz4FQrvv)
Nice! Its absolutely my favorite color.
Very nice! Better pics?
My wife's Subaru (Rich has it in NY now) had LHM marking on it!
Let's see some Moab videos. Hell's Revenge?
I haven't taken any quality shots of it yet, but here are some from the past couple of days. Her first mod is pulling the fender badges and replacing them with retro Bronco badges she bought, they should hopefully look like the example in the last pic when I mount them.
She wants to take it out to Capitol Reef - lots of beautiful backcountry trails out there. We explored a little last year in the truck and she wants to go again. She has to get thru the break-in period first!
(https://i.postimg.cc/FHt0fZ7t/20220324-133820.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjtNcSHZ/20220324-160635.jpg)
Just a little shorter than the F150 thanks to the roof rack:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjhLDmm1/20220325-150234.jpg)
(https://i.etsystatic.com/26603324/r/il/f09917/3749193385/il_1588xN.3749193385_g4ag.jpg)
Such pretty green. I want that paint.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on March 26, 2022, 10:55:18 AM
I haven't taken any quality shots of it yet, but here are some from the past couple of days. Her first mod is pulling the fender badges and replacing them with retro Bronco badges she bought, they should hopefully look like the example in the last pic when I mount them.
She wants to take it out to Capitol Reef - lots of beautiful backcountry trails out there. We explored a little last year in the truck and she wants to go again. She has to get thru the break-in period first!
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjhLDmm1/20220325-150234.jpg)
That is one fine pair of vehicles.
Very pretty! Those badges will look awesome!
Congrats!
Looks great
Quote from: FoMoJo on March 26, 2022, 03:07:56 PM
That is one fine pair of vehicles.
We wouldn't have predicted we'd go from being Mazda/Suzuki people to owning two Fords. We're just grateful to be in a position to treat ourselves here and there.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on March 27, 2022, 11:02:44 AM
We wouldn't have predicted we'd go from being Mazda/Suzuki people to owning two Fords. We're just grateful to be in a position to treat ourselves here and there.
:rockon:
That green is the best!
The classic badge looks much better, love the color!
Sitting at the Mini dealer, getting the kid's car serviced. They have two Broncos parked out front; with price tags of $85 and $90,000 on them.
Yeah, sorry. That's beyond nuts.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 12, 2022, 09:24:42 AM
Sitting at the Mini dealer, getting the kid's car serviced. They have two Broncos parked out front; with price tags of $85 and $90,000 on them.
Yeah, sorry. That's beyond nuts.
Yeah that's stupid money for what they are. Melissa got hers at MSRP, they locked her in 2021's price even though she ended up with a 2022 MY.
Decals update:
Before(https://i.postimg.cc/pr0cjZzf/20220402-145250.jpg)
After(https://i.postimg.cc/VvsH5Trs/e99d8ef8-face-4809-80a0-7cd7a5e9d7c9.jpg)
Yeah. I like that a lot.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 12, 2022, 09:24:42 AM
Sitting at the Mini dealer, getting the kid's car serviced. They have two Broncos parked out front; with price tags of $85 and $90,000 on them.
Yeah, sorry. That's beyond nuts.
Rover money
Quote from: r0tor on April 14, 2022, 10:06:13 AM
Rover money
It is. I mean, if the Defender is the "equivalent" of the Bronco for cross-shopping purposes, its well over Rover money- its bordering on Range Rover/ Land Cruiser money.
For that money, I think a 4Runner or a GX would be more than enough for most people if you want to off road. If it was a normal market, I'd say buying used..
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 14, 2022, 10:34:58 AM
It is. I mean, if the Defender is the "equivalent" of the Bronco for cross-shopping purposes, its well over Rover money- its bordering on Range Rover/ Land Cruiser money.
The appeal of brands like "Bronco" is that you're buying "history" as well. This applies to other brands as well, but the nature of the history matters also.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 16, 2022, 05:17:36 PM
The appeal of brands like "Bronco" is that you're buying "history" as well. This applies to other brands as well, but the nature of the history matters also.
I think to majority of the buying public, the only history they can remember from the Bronco is when OJ drove it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 14, 2022, 10:34:58 AM
It is. I mean, if the Defender is the "equivalent" of the Bronco for cross-shopping purposes, its well over Rover money- its bordering on Range Rover/ Land Cruiser money.
The
new Range Rover isn't going for anything close to MSRP. Just like the G-class where used examples are going for well above sticker, the new RR will be in short supply and trading for 50% +'what they should be.
Quote from: NomisR on April 16, 2022, 08:59:24 PM
I think to majority of the buying public, the only history they can remember from the Bronco is when OJ drove it.
Probably true. The majority of the public are pretty clueless when it comes to history. However, I would like to think that the enthusiasts remember the exploits of the likes of Parnelli Jones at Baja in the early '70s in the series 1 Bronco, which the new Bronco is styled after.
Quote from: Submariner on April 16, 2022, 09:59:23 PM
The new Range Rover isn't going for anything close to MSRP. Just like the G-class where used examples are going for well above sticker, the new RR will be in short supply and trading for 50% +'what they should be.
Well yeah, the entire market is wonky.
Quote from: Submariner on April 16, 2022, 09:59:23 PM
The new Range Rover isn't going for anything close to MSRP. Just like the G-class where used examples are going for well above sticker, the new RR will be in short supply and trading for 50% +'what they should be.
What rover are you talking about?
Quote from: r0tor on April 18, 2022, 07:20:45 AM
What rover are you talking about?
I think he's talking about the actual Range Rover Range Rover.. not the sub models. There's a new one.
Just saw this video comparing the 4Runner to the Bronco though..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8FlRMwiJy4
I really wish Toyota improved on the camera tech, it definitely is dated..
Quote from: NomisR on April 18, 2022, 09:22:54 AM
Just saw this video comparing the 4Runner to the Bronco though..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8FlRMwiJy4
I really wish Toyota improved on the camera tech, it definitely is dated..
I saw this; and the review is crap. He doesn't try to explain the differences between toyota's crawl control and Ford's: says Toyota's is better, but completely fails to acknowledge that the Ford system has two different settings for traction control on it and he has the TC turned off- Toyota turns both on with the same button.
He gives credit to the Bronco for the sway bar disconnect; but the Toyota doesn't have KDSS, which is an option, and does the same thing, automatically.
He then says the Toyota won't pull the Bronco out- but he literally drove the truck into a stump and refused to go around it.
I mean, its a crap review for both vehicles.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 09:37:43 AM
I saw this; and the review is crap. He doesn't try to explain the differences between toyota's crawl control and Ford's: says Toyota's is better, but completely fails to acknowledge that the Ford system has two different settings for traction control on it and he has the TC turned off- Toyota turns both on with the same button.
He gives credit to the Bronco for the sway bar disconnect; but the Toyota doesn't have KDSS, which is an option, and does the same thing, automatically.
He then says the Toyota won't pull the Bronco out- but he literally drove the truck into a stump and refused to go around it.
I mean, its a crap review for both vehicles.
Yeah, the only thing I really got out of it is the fact that for most people, the 4Runner is a good enough off roader and better daily.. but if you want the looks, get the Bronco. I'm surprised the 4Runner has a part time 4WD though.
You can get it in part-time or AWD.
Personally, I'd rather have the part time.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 10:08:41 AM
You can get it in part-time or AWD.
Personally, I'd rather have the part time.
Yeah, I guess it's only avaiable on the Limited version whereas the other models all have part time. I'm really going down the rabbit hole on looking into modding my wife's car.. not a good thing.
Quote from: NomisR on April 18, 2022, 10:12:12 AM
Yeah, I guess it's only avaiable on the Limited version whereas the other models all have part time. I'm really going down the rabbit hole on looking into modding my wife's car.. not a good thing.
The GX?
FWIW, I considered for a time, converting the landcruiser to part time, as it would make it better for towing. It wasn't hard, the center diff gets replaced with a spool and the diff lock button becomes the front axle engage button.
I decided it wasn't worth it on a car with almost 200,000 miles.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 10:27:38 AM
The GX?
Yeah, i'm so unfamiliar with this that I'm not sure where I would start.. i guess chopping off a good portion of the front bumper and taking off the step rails would be a good start, but i don't think she would like any of that.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 10:32:51 AM
FWIW, I considered for a time, converting the landcruiser to part time, as it would make it better for towing. It wasn't hard, the center diff gets replaced with a spool and the diff lock button becomes the front axle engage button.
I decided it wasn't worth it on a car with almost 200,000 miles.
Would there be any other benefit?
Quote from: NomisR on April 18, 2022, 10:42:10 AM
Yeah, i'm so unfamiliar with this that I'm not sure where I would start.. i guess chopping off a good portion of the front bumper and taking off the step rails would be a good start, but i don't think she would like any of that.
Would there be any other benefit?
I would think it would help mileage overall, but how much seems to be a point of debate.
Quote from: r0tor on April 18, 2022, 07:20:45 AM
What rover are you talking about?
The full size Range Rover. The big one.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 09:37:43 AM
I saw this; and the review is crap. He doesn't try to explain the differences between toyota's crawl control and Ford's: says Toyota's is better, but completely fails to acknowledge that the Ford system has two different settings for traction control on it and he has the TC turned off- Toyota turns both on with the same button.
He gives credit to the Bronco for the sway bar disconnect; but the Toyota doesn't have KDSS, which is an option, and does the same thing, automatically.
He then says the Toyota won't pull the Bronco out- but he literally drove the truck into a stump and refused to go around it.
I mean, its a crap review for both vehicles.
Most YT videos with someone making an idiotic pose in the thumbnail are crap.
Quote from: Submariner on April 18, 2022, 11:02:35 AM
The full size Range Rover. The big one.
You mean the one they call "Range Rover?"
Quote from: NomisR on April 18, 2022, 10:42:10 AM
Yeah, i'm so unfamiliar with this that I'm not sure where I would start.. i guess chopping off a good portion of the front bumper and taking off the step rails would be a good start, but i don't think she would like any of that.
Would there be any other benefit?
There is a pretty active GX modding scene. Most of it involves coil lifts, tires, lighting, winches and new bumpers.
Not sure if swapping in a part time T case is common. I've never seen that on any of the 100's of lifted land cruisers that make their way into BaT. The GX is much less common but I can't see that being a mod many people do.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 11:09:12 AM
You mean the one they call "Range Rover?"
Yup. Thing is a lot of people call any Land Rover a Range Rover.
Quote from: Submariner on April 18, 2022, 11:02:35 AM
The full size Range Rover. The big one.
One of the better looking full size SUVs. See quite a few of them around here.
Quote from: Submariner on April 18, 2022, 11:36:41 AM
There is a pretty active GX modding scene. Most of it involves coil lifts, tires, lighting, winches and new bumpers.
Not sure if swapping in a part time T case is common. I've never seen that on any of the 100's of lifted land cruisers that make their way into BaT. The GX is much less common but I can't see that being a mod many people do.
Its not uncommon in Australia. You don't actually swap the transfer case, you just remove the center diff. then, the stock diff lock button acts as a switch to turn the front axle on and off.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 11:53:45 AM
Its not uncommon in Australia. You don't actually swap the transfer case, you just remove the center diff. then, the stock diff lock button acts as a switch to turn the front axle on and off.
Hmm...interesting.
Quote from: Submariner on April 18, 2022, 11:55:00 AM
Hmm...interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_rKOZCl4rM
I considered it mainly because towing, on pavement, in 4WD, does some weird things; especially it causes torque steer at when accelerating, and when pulling around tighter turns.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 10:49:34 AM
I would think it would help mileage overall, but how much seems to be a point of debate.
I'll probably skip this one since we're not towing any time soon.
Quote from: Submariner on April 18, 2022, 11:36:41 AM
There is a pretty active GX modding scene. Most of it involves coil lifts, tires, lighting, winches and new bumpers.
Not sure if swapping in a part time T case is common. I've never seen that on any of the 100's of lifted land cruisers that make their way into BaT. The GX is much less common but I can't see that being a mod many people do.
Based on what I can find, there's modding for suspension and everything else, even the electronic one to add a full screen to the center console and even surround cameras, but i haven't seen anyone do a transfer case mod. I am interested in doing a surround camera mod though and I would like to upgrade the camera to something decent if possible since the Toyota cameras are absolute garbage. And also add crawl/mts function to the car but they haven't found the part numbers for the 2022s yet.
The part time 4WD was the least reliable thing on my father's 4Runner. He normally drove in 2WD and practically everytime he went to 4WD the transfer case actuator would get seized up
Quote from: r0tor on April 18, 2022, 02:32:13 PM
The part time 4WD was the least reliable thing on my father's 4Runner. He normally drove in 2WD and practically everytime he went to 4WD the transfer case actuator would get seized up
I see almost no occurrence of that in warranty reports or even anecdotes about it, from any generation of 4runner. I have to assume your dad's was a unicorn of sorts.
I think part, or a lot, of the pent up demand in the U.S. for the new Ford Bronco is that it's a legit off-road worthy super cool looking "American" branded car (namely a GM, Ford, Dodge, etc) to go against the American branded Jeep Wrangler.
If Toyota had made a new FJ Cruiser or Nissan had made a new Pathfinder that were this cool looking and off-road worthy I doubt they would be this sought after.
I think this is also the reason why the Escalade is so successful. Big, brash, and "American". It's also why the Tundra and Titan pickups don't sell that well.
Quote from: veeman on April 18, 2022, 03:07:33 PM
I think part, or a lot, of the pent up demand in the U.S. for the new Ford Bronco is that it's a legit off-road worthy super cool looking "American" branded car (namely a GM, Ford, Dodge, etc) to go against the American branded Jeep Wrangler.
If Toyota had made a new FJ Cruiser or Nissan had made a new Pathfinder that were this cool looking and off-road worthy I doubt they would be this sought after.
I think this is also the reason why the Escalade is so successful. Big, brash, and "American". It's also why the Tundra and Titan pickups don't sell that well.
For sure there's a big nostalgia factor with these; but the pent-up demand applies to everything.
Quote from: veeman on April 18, 2022, 03:07:33 PM
I think part, or a lot, of the pent up demand in the U.S. for the new Ford Bronco is that it's a legit off-road worthy super cool looking "American" branded car (namely a GM, Ford, Dodge, etc) to go against the American branded Jeep Wrangler.
If Toyota had made a new FJ Cruiser or Nissan had made a new Pathfinder that were this cool looking and off-road worthy I doubt they would be this sought after.
I think this is also the reason why the Escalade is so successful. Big, brash, and "American". It's also why the Tundra and Titan pickups don't sell that well.
I think a new FJ cruiser would make a lot of sense. For whatever reason, I'm seeing a lot of FJ Cruisers popped up in my area.
To be honest, I never liked the FJ Cruiser. It was too cartoony, too much gunslit window styling, and those dumb half doors made no sense.
I'd rather they sold a basic trim level Land Cruiser, or even a 2 door 4Runner to fill that spot in the market.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 02:42:30 PM
I see almost no occurrence of that in warranty reports or even anecdotes about it, from any generation of 4runner. I have to assume your dad's was a unicorn of sorts.
Seems to be a 4th gen issue... Lots of posts and DIYs
Quote from: r0tor on April 18, 2022, 04:05:47 PM
Seems to be a 4th gen issue... Lots of posts and DIYs
You're talking about the vacuum actuator? Yeah. I guess I was confused by you saying it "seized," making me think it locked up the driveline or something.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 18, 2022, 03:57:22 PM
To be honest, I never liked the FJ Cruiser. It was too cartoony, too much gunslit window styling, and those dumb half doors made no sense.
I'd rather they sold a basic trim level Land Cruiser, or even a 2 door 4Runner to fill that spot in the market.
Well, the overall style seems to be the result of those wanna be retro look. So it's basically a nod to the FJ40. And I feel like the suicide doors might be appearance of the suicide doors in Japanese cars during those times with Rx8 and Honda Element, so Toyota decide to do a #metoo.
Quote from: NomisR on April 19, 2022, 09:49:18 AM
Well, the overall style seems to be the result of those wanna be retro look. So it's basically a nod to the FJ40. And I feel like the suicide doors might be appearance of the suicide doors in Japanese cars during those times with Rx8 and Honda Element, so Toyota decide to do a #metoo.
Yeah, it was trying to be a new FJ40, which was a 2-door, but they wouldn't commit to only 2-doors.
Oops.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/04/water-way-to-go-ford-bronco-submerged-by-maine-high-tide-for-two-nights/amp/
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on April 19, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Oops.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/04/water-way-to-go-ford-bronco-submerged-by-maine-high-tide-for-two-nights/amp/
Seems not that uncommon...
Land Cruiser Police Car Gets Stuck On Beach, Then Is Swamped By The Tide (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/land-cruiser-police-car-gets-stuck-on-beach-then-is-swamped-by-the-tide/ar-AAWnk4F?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0f249e4bb18248eada33c21434c60fa4)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqhsBPQt/AAWnncf.jpg)
I've heard that the tie rods on these are breaking at an abnormal rate. Especially on the units with larger tires that people take out to do some real wheeling.
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 19, 2022, 08:04:31 PM
I've heard that the tie rods on these are breaking at an abnormal rate. Especially on the units with larger tires that people take out to do some real wheeling.
I've heard this. I'm unsure how "real" the problem really is- but I'm sure there will be an update for the next year.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 19, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
Seems not that uncommon...Land Cruiser Police Car Gets Stuck On Beach, Then Is Swamped By The Tide (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/land-cruiser-police-car-gets-stuck-on-beach-then-is-swamped-by-the-tide/ar-AAWnk4F?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0f249e4bb18248eada33c21434c60fa4)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqhsBPQt/AAWnncf.jpg)
I mean, any time people drive near beaches, it happens eventually; especially in places with real tides. I remember being heartbroken a few years ago watching somebody do it with a beautiful little CRX.
I love the comment in the one I posted about the locals "warning the driver". Means they've seen it happen before, too!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 19, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
I've heard this. I'm unsure how "real" the problem really is- but I'm sure there will be an update for the next year.
I follow a YouTube channel that does off-road recoveries and they had one recently that had a Bronco with a broken tie-rod. Of course they are also constantly towing out side-by-sides with busted front suspensions. Off-roading is a great way to find out what a vehicles weaknesses are.
Quote from: RomanChariot on April 20, 2022, 09:27:19 AM
I follow a YouTube channel that does off-road recoveries and they had one recently that had a Bronco with a broken tie-rod. Of course they are also constantly towing out side-by-sides with busted front suspensions. Off-roading is a great way to find out what a vehicles weaknesses are.
It is; which is why most people are running older trucks that are paid for and modified.
I mean, yeah; there are reports of busted tie-rods. The question is really "how did they bust them," and secondly, were they doing something that would break most any truck any ways.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 20, 2022, 10:01:39 AM
It is; which is why most people are running older trucks that are paid for and modified.
I mean, yeah; there are reports of busted tie-rods. The question is really "how did they bust them," and secondly, were they doing something that would break most any truck any ways.
Lots of Ford Raptors with bent frames due to fast runs with jumps in the desert.
Quote from: RomanChariot on April 20, 2022, 09:27:19 AM
I follow a YouTube channel that does off-road recoveries and they had one recently that had a Bronco with a broken tie-rod. Of course they are also constantly towing out side-by-sides with busted front suspensions. Off-roading is a great way to find out what a vehicles weaknesses are.
Matt's Off Road Recovery? The guy did a great job doing that fix for it right on the trail...I didn't even know portable welders like that existed.
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 20, 2022, 11:03:49 AM
Matt's Off Road Recovery? The guy did a great job doing that fix for it right on the trail...I didn't even know portable welders like that existed.
I love that channel.
XJ FTW
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 20, 2022, 11:04:39 AM
I love that channel.
XJ FTW
Morrvair sounds cooler, but I like seeing the XJs hold their own. And a leaky straight-6 XJ exhaust has its own auditory charm.
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 20, 2022, 11:16:17 AM
Morrvair sounds cooler, but I like seeing the XJs hold their own. And a leaky straight-6 XJ exhaust has its own auditory charm.
Yeah, I put three mufflers on mine. It's Lexus Quiet now. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 20, 2022, 11:03:49 AM
Matt's Off Road Recovery? The guy did a great job doing that fix for it right on the trail...I didn't even know portable welders like that existed.
Yeah, that's the one. I live in Utah and have spent a fair amount of time in southern Utah but most of it on foot.
Quote from: veeman on April 20, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
Lots of Ford Raptors with bent frames due to fast runs with jumps in the desert.
Exactly; and I don't think anybody is seriously saying that's caused by weak frames.
Quote from: RomanChariot on April 20, 2022, 03:06:11 PM
Yeah, that's the one. I live in Utah and have spent a fair amount of time in southern Utah but most of it on foot.
If I was in Utah I would get stuck intentionally, then call him so I can get a T-shirt.
Speaking of issues, our GX started getting a creaking sound on bumpy roads after going offroading a bit, the sound seems like it's coming from the back of the car. But went away after the car sat over night. Still can't figure out what caused it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 20, 2022, 04:13:55 PM
If I was in Utah I would get stuck intentionally, then call him so I can get a T-shirt.
Give me $500 for a Jeep or UTV rental and I'll do it
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 20, 2022, 05:27:22 PM
Give me $500 for a Jeep or UTV rental and I'll do it
It's easier to get stuck in a rental Nissan Versa. Find a trail and keep going until you can't go no more.
Quote from: NomisR on April 20, 2022, 05:06:43 PM
Speaking of issues, our GX started getting a creaking sound on bumpy roads after going offroading a bit, the sound seems like it's coming from the back of the car. But went away after the car sat over night. Still can't figure out what caused it.
Dirt getting into bushings and stuff. It happens.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 20, 2022, 06:04:02 PM
Dirt getting into bushings and stuff. It happens.
That's what i'm assuming too and it came loose somehow, lower part of the back bumper is all scratched up.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on April 19, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Oops.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/04/water-way-to-go-ford-bronco-submerged-by-maine-high-tide-for-two-nights/amp/
"Unconfirmed local reports say the out-of-state driver ignored warning signs about driving cars on the bar too near to high tide and was performing donuts on the sand before they got stuck."
Well, the Jersey plates check out. :lol:
Summertime and the livin's easy. The hard top is off, I finally installed the mesh bikini top she ordered when she bought it, and she picked up a fun vintage tan spare cover.
It's going in to the dealer in a few weeks for a couple bumper-to-bumper repairs - two bolts on the hood (the branch guard hoop things) were corroded when she took delivery, and they've been backordered for a while. And one of the two rear defroster wires popped off the rear window unprovoked. Bad adhesive or QA? They're replacing the entire rear window - it's two weeks out.
Otherwise, no major issues or complaints. She's already at 3,000 miles and averaging almost 23 mpg. The old dudes LOVE to chat her up about it. We'll be popping into the mountains for some off-roading soon now that trails are open.
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0RL9VNq/20220430-182738.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/KzNzQTS0/20220605-122431.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zB5vnjML/e55a7e31-fdec-48c2-ae4a-33a1facf32f8.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QC7jwKRL/20220604-203102.jpg)
The tan green combo looks great!
Yeah, great color!
Just needs some Eddie Bauer badges :lol:
Throw some BFG KO2's or Goodyear DuraTracs on 'er and make her look nice and CHONKY. :cheers:
Quote from: Speed_Racer on June 05, 2022, 08:45:44 PM
Summertime and the livin's easy. The hard top is off, I finally installed the mesh bikini top she ordered when she bought it, and she picked up a fun vintage tan spare cover.
It's going in to the dealer in a few weeks for a couple bumper-to-bumper repairs - two bolts on the hood (the branch guard hoop things) were corroded when she took delivery, and they've been backordered for a while. And one of the two rear defroster wires popped off the rear window unprovoked. Bad adhesive or QA? They're replacing the entire rear window - it's two weeks out.
Otherwise, no major issues or complaints. She's already at 3,000 miles and averaging almost 23 mpg. The old dudes LOVE to chat her up about it. We'll be popping into the mountains for some off-roading soon now that trails are open.
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0RL9VNq/20220430-182738.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/KzNzQTS0/20220605-122431.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zB5vnjML/e55a7e31-fdec-48c2-ae4a-33a1facf32f8.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QC7jwKRL/20220604-203102.jpg)
Love it!
Awesome sauce!
https://youtu.be/SB-ZV-7JVeY
Bronco Raptor.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QKhHwyFL/C7-A02-DC3-CDBD-43-D7-873-E-AE876-A57-F401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKhHwyFL)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 12, 2022, 03:41:26 PM
Bronco Raptor.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QKhHwyFL/C7-A02-DC3-CDBD-43-D7-873-E-AE876-A57-F401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKhHwyFL)
Did ya race 'em?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 12, 2022, 03:41:26 PM
Bronco Raptor.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QKhHwyFL/C7-A02-DC3-CDBD-43-D7-873-E-AE876-A57-F401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKhHwyFL)
Manufacturer plates?
Were they testing?
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 12, 2022, 03:57:43 PM
Manufacturer plates?
Were they testing?
By the time they're driving around without camo on, they're usually done testing, but they'll lend the cars to engineers for a few weeks under the guise of "driving impression gathering."
JFC estimated curb weight is 5,800 lbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bJov5Ju7QA
I've just started watching it, but it's got Cammisa so it must be good
so insane.
Insane?
(https://tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Bronco-OB-sticker-sames.jpg)
(https://tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Bronco-SF-Ford-sticker.jpg)
:lol:
Who are the people dumb enough to pay that?
Between car mark ups and GPU mark ups last year, apparently there are a lot of bored, desperate, or just otherwise bad with their money idiots
Me, I'm bad with money too.
Because of the crazy market I paid $16k for a 7 year old Civic.... :facepalm:
But still not dumb enough to pay that!
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 28, 2022, 04:14:52 AM
Me, I'm bad with money too.
Because of the crazy market I paid $16k for a 7 year old Civic.... :facepalm:
But still not dumb enough to pay that!
I won't call that dumb. You got a good working car for 2/3 the cost of just the dealer markup on that first Bronco
Someone could buy a Bronco plus a new Maverick for the cost of that Bronco + markup. And a Bronco + C8 Corvette for the second one.
I actually just saw a Bronco driving around with the doors off. Doors should be optional.
https://youtu.be/QBM6cS_dRns
I'm sure 10 owners will actual use the capabilities of the bRaptor
Quote from: r0tor on August 19, 2022, 11:41:15 AM
I'm sure 10 owners will actual use the capabilities of the bRaptor
I'm sure at least 50 will use MORE than the capabilities and end up with bent/broken frames :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 19, 2022, 01:21:30 PM
I'm sure at least 50 will use MORE than the capabilities and end up with bent/broken frames :lol:
:cheers:
Quote from: r0tor on August 19, 2022, 11:41:15 AM
I'm sure 10 owners will actual use the capabilities of the bRaptor
There's a zillion YouTube videos of people wheeling their non-bRaptor Broncos. This one will be no different.
This thing is fun as hell
(https://i.postimg.cc/c1cJtb9q/DSC-0020.jpg)