Ford Bronco first look!

[NomisR]

The GX?

Yeah, i'm so unfamiliar with this that I'm not sure where I would start.. i guess chopping off a good portion of the front bumper and taking off the step rails would be a good start, but i don't think she would like any of that.

FWIW, I considered for a time, converting the landcruiser to part time, as it would make it better for towing. It wasn't hard, the center diff gets replaced with a spool and the diff lock button becomes the front axle engage button.

I decided it wasn't worth it on a car with almost 200,000 miles.

Would there be any other benefit?

[Soup DeVille]

Yeah, i'm so unfamiliar with this that I'm not sure where I would start.. i guess chopping off a good portion of the front bumper and taking off the step rails would be a good start, but i don't think she would like any of that.

Would there be any other benefit?

I would think it would help mileage overall, but how much seems to be a point of debate.

[Submariner]

What rover are you talking about?

The full size Range Rover.  The big one.

[Submariner]

I saw this; and the review is crap. He doesn't try to explain the differences between toyota's crawl control and Ford's: says Toyota's is better, but completely fails to acknowledge that the Ford system has two different settings for traction control on it and he has the TC turned off- Toyota turns both on with the same button.

He gives credit to the Bronco for the sway bar disconnect; but the Toyota doesn't have KDSS, which is an option, and does the same thing, automatically.

He then says the Toyota won't pull the Bronco out- but he literally drove the truck into a stump and refused to go around it.

I mean, its a crap review for both vehicles.

Most YT videos with someone making an idiotic pose in the thumbnail are crap.

[Soup DeVille]

The full size Range Rover.  The big one.

You mean the one they call "Range Rover?"

[Submariner]

Yeah, i'm so unfamiliar with this that I'm not sure where I would start.. i guess chopping off a good portion of the front bumper and taking off the step rails would be a good start, but i don't think she would like any of that.

Would there be any other benefit?

There is a pretty active GX modding scene.  Most of it involves coil lifts, tires, lighting, winches and new bumpers.

Not sure if swapping in a part time T case is common.  I've never seen that on any of the 100's of lifted land cruisers that make their way into BaT.  The GX is much less common but I can't see that being a mod many people do.

[Submariner]

You mean the one they call "Range Rover?"

Yup.  Thing is a lot of people call any Land Rover a Range Rover. 

[FoMoJo]

The full size Range Rover.  The big one.

One of the better looking full size SUVs.  See quite a few of them around here.

[Soup DeVille]

There is a pretty active GX modding scene.  Most of it involves coil lifts, tires, lighting, winches and new bumpers.

Not sure if swapping in a part time T case is common.  I've never seen that on any of the 100's of lifted land cruisers that make their way into BaT.  The GX is much less common but I can't see that being a mod many people do.

Its not uncommon in Australia. You don't actually swap the transfer case, you just remove the center diff. then, the stock diff lock button acts as a switch to turn the front axle on and off.

[Submariner]

Its not uncommon in Australia. You don't actually swap the transfer case, you just remove the center diff. then, the stock diff lock button acts as a switch to turn the front axle on and off.

Hmm...interesting.

[Soup DeVille]

Hmm...interesting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_rKOZCl4rM

I considered it mainly because towing, on pavement, in 4WD, does some weird things; especially it causes torque steer at when accelerating, and when pulling around tighter turns.

[NomisR]

I would think it would help mileage overall, but how much seems to be a point of debate.

I'll probably skip this one since we're not towing any time soon.

[NomisR]

There is a pretty active GX modding scene.  Most of it involves coil lifts, tires, lighting, winches and new bumpers.

Not sure if swapping in a part time T case is common.  I've never seen that on any of the 100's of lifted land cruisers that make their way into BaT.  The GX is much less common but I can't see that being a mod many people do.

Based on what I can find, there's modding for suspension and everything else, even the electronic one to add a full screen to the center console and even surround cameras, but i haven't seen anyone do a transfer case mod.  I am interested in doing a surround camera mod though and I would like to upgrade the camera to something decent if possible since the Toyota cameras are absolute garbage.  And also add crawl/mts function to the car but they haven't found the part numbers for the 2022s yet.

[r0tor]

The part time 4WD was the least reliable thing on my father's 4Runner.  He normally drove in 2WD and practically everytime he went to 4WD the transfer case actuator would get seized up

[Soup DeVille]

The part time 4WD was the least reliable thing on my father's 4Runner.  He normally drove in 2WD and practically everytime he went to 4WD the transfer case actuator would get seized up

I see almost no occurrence of that in warranty reports or even anecdotes about it, from any generation of 4runner. I have to assume your dad's was a unicorn of sorts.

[veeman]

I think part, or a lot, of the pent up demand in the U.S. for the new Ford Bronco is that it's a legit off-road worthy super cool looking "American" branded car (namely a GM, Ford, Dodge, etc) to go against the American branded Jeep Wrangler.

If Toyota had made a new FJ Cruiser or Nissan had made a new Pathfinder that were this cool looking and off-road worthy I doubt they would be this sought after. 

I think this is also the reason why the Escalade is so successful.  Big, brash, and "American".  It's also why the Tundra and Titan pickups don't sell that well. 

[Soup DeVille]

I think part, or a lot, of the pent up demand in the U.S. for the new Ford Bronco is that it's a legit off-road worthy super cool looking "American" branded car (namely a GM, Ford, Dodge, etc) to go against the American branded Jeep Wrangler.

If Toyota had made a new FJ Cruiser or Nissan had made a new Pathfinder that were this cool looking and off-road worthy I doubt they would be this sought after. 

I think this is also the reason why the Escalade is so successful.  Big, brash, and "American".  It's also why the Tundra and Titan pickups don't sell that well. 

For sure there's a big nostalgia factor with these; but the pent-up demand applies to everything.

[NomisR]

I think part, or a lot, of the pent up demand in the U.S. for the new Ford Bronco is that it's a legit off-road worthy super cool looking "American" branded car (namely a GM, Ford, Dodge, etc) to go against the American branded Jeep Wrangler.

If Toyota had made a new FJ Cruiser or Nissan had made a new Pathfinder that were this cool looking and off-road worthy I doubt they would be this sought after. 

I think this is also the reason why the Escalade is so successful.  Big, brash, and "American".  It's also why the Tundra and Titan pickups don't sell that well. 

I think a new FJ cruiser would make a lot of sense.  For whatever reason, I'm seeing a lot of FJ Cruisers popped up in my area.

[Soup DeVille]

To be honest, I never liked the FJ Cruiser. It was too cartoony, too much gunslit window styling, and those dumb half doors made no sense.

I'd rather they sold a basic trim level Land Cruiser, or even a 2 door 4Runner to fill that spot in the market.

[r0tor]

I see almost no occurrence of that in warranty reports or even anecdotes about it, from any generation of 4runner. I have to assume your dad's was a unicorn of sorts.

Seems to be a 4th gen issue... Lots of posts and DIYs

[Soup DeVille]

Seems to be a 4th gen issue... Lots of posts and DIYs

You're talking about the vacuum actuator? Yeah. I guess I was confused by you saying it "seized," making me think it locked up the driveline or something.

[NomisR]

To be honest, I never liked the FJ Cruiser. It was too cartoony, too much gunslit window styling, and those dumb half doors made no sense.

I'd rather they sold a basic trim level Land Cruiser, or even a 2 door 4Runner to fill that spot in the market.

Well, the overall style seems to be the result of those wanna be retro look.  So it's basically a nod to the FJ40.  And I feel like the suicide doors might be appearance of the suicide doors in Japanese cars during those times with Rx8 and Honda Element, so Toyota decide to do a #metoo. 

[Soup DeVille]

Well, the overall style seems to be the result of those wanna be retro look.  So it's basically a nod to the FJ40.  And I feel like the suicide doors might be appearance of the suicide doors in Japanese cars during those times with Rx8 and Honda Element, so Toyota decide to do a #metoo. 

Yeah, it was trying to be a new FJ40, which was a 2-door, but they wouldn't commit to only 2-doors.

[AutobahnSHO]

Oops.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/04/water-way-to-go-ford-bronco-submerged-by-maine-high-tide-for-two-nights/amp/

[FoMoJo]

Oops.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/04/water-way-to-go-ford-bronco-submerged-by-maine-high-tide-for-two-nights/amp/

Seems not that uncommon...Land Cruiser Police Car Gets Stuck On Beach, Then Is Swamped By The Tide

[giant_mtb]

I've heard that the tie rods on these are breaking at an abnormal rate.  Especially on the units with larger tires that people take out to do some real wheeling.

[Soup DeVille]

I've heard that the tie rods on these are breaking at an abnormal rate.  Especially on the units with larger tires that people take out to do some real wheeling.

I've heard this. I'm unsure how "real" the problem really is- but I'm sure there will be an update for the next year.

[Soup DeVille]

Seems not that uncommon...Land Cruiser Police Car Gets Stuck On Beach, Then Is Swamped By The Tide

I mean, any time people drive near beaches, it happens eventually; especially in places with real tides. I remember being heartbroken a few years ago watching somebody do it with a beautiful little CRX.

[AutobahnSHO]

I love the comment in the one I posted about the locals "warning the driver". Means they've seen it happen before, too!

[RomanChariot]

I've heard this. I'm unsure how "real" the problem really is- but I'm sure there will be an update for the next year.

I follow a YouTube channel that does off-road recoveries and they had one recently that had a Bronco with a broken tie-rod. Of course they are also constantly towing out side-by-sides with busted front suspensions. Off-roading is a great way to find out what a vehicles weaknesses are.