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I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone has, and I'll be linking to posted updates over the next week.
Photo gallery here:
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m8d27-A-week-in-the-2010-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-Day-1-introduction
I already posted a comment on your page, but here goes:
1. ride quality
2. clutch engagement
Quote from: Vinsanity on August 27, 2009, 05:29:41 PM
I already posted a comment on your page, but here goes:
1. ride quality
2. clutch engagement
My transmission perception is skewed a bit from coming off the ridiculously difficult Forte SX, so I'm at the moment impressed with anything that doesn't try to stall when you move forward. But you will get a sharp jerk if you're not shifting very carefully into 4th and 5th.
And this impression may change as I drive over more roads, but I didn't have a major problem with the track suspension either so far on this car or on the 2.0T Track I drove a few months ago. It's certainly far from supple, but I haven't hit any truly terrible bumps yet. It's not all that much worse than a Grand Touring I'd driven. (Link to that review: http://tinyurl.com/lcewry )
Wish I could find a V6 manual version to test drive. The dealerships around here predominantly stock the 4 cylinder model (and most of those examples are automatics). The only 2 V6 models I've seen on local lots were both autos.
Quote from: MX793 on August 27, 2009, 05:53:10 PM
Wish I could find a V6 manual version to test drive. The dealerships around here predominantly stock the 4 cylinder model (and most of those examples are automatics). The only 2 V6 models I've seen on local lots were both autos.
There are a bunch of V6 manuals on DC lots. One dealer chain alone has six, all discounted much more than the automatics.
Quote from: ifcar on August 27, 2009, 05:36:22 PM
My transmission perception is skewed a bit from coming off the ridiculously difficult Forte SX, so I'm at the moment impressed with anything that doesn't try to stall when you move forward. But you will get a sharp jerk if you're not shifting very carefully into 4th and 5th.
Are you sure it's the car and not your skillz? 4-5 is the easiest shift. Reaching the gate might irritate you if you're not used to the car, but it shouldn't feel jerky at all.
Quote from: Tave on August 27, 2009, 05:57:13 PM
Are you sure it's the car and not your skillz? 4-5 is the easiest shift. Reaching the gate might irritate you if you're not used to the car, but it shouldn't feel jerky at all.
It's the clutch, not the shifter. I can't think of any other car I've driven where it was easier to shift smoothly in the lower gears than the higher ones.
Quote from: ifcar on August 27, 2009, 05:53:53 PM
There are a bunch of V6 manuals on DC lots. One dealer chain alone has six, all discounted much more than the automatics.
There are 3 dealerships within 50 miles of me. One of them is supposedly one of the biggest in the US. One dealership has a single base model 4 cylinder manual (said dealer has never had more than a single Genesis coupe in stock at any given time that I've seen). The second dealership, which is decent sized, has a single V6 base automatic in stock. The third, the aforementioned large dealership, has four 2.0T models (3 premiums, one base) and all of them are automatics. Upstate NY dealerships are simply terrified to stock manuals. If a particular model only comes with a manual gearbox, they won't carry that model at all (or they'll stock one and not hurry to restock it once it's gone). I haven't seen a WRX at a dealership since they became manual-only. I've seen Impreza GTs, but no WRXs.
Quote from: ifcar on August 27, 2009, 06:00:34 PM
It's the clutch, not the shifter. I can't think of any other car I've driven where it was easier to shift smoothly in the lower gears than the higher ones.
Neither can I, which is why I mentioned it (the bit about the gate pattern was an aside).
Details on the Genesis Coupe interior: seats/trunk/quality/visibility.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m8d29-A-week-in-the-2010-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-Day-3-interior-details
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Quote from: ifcar on August 29, 2009, 12:04:41 PM
Details on the Genesis Coupe interior: seats/trunk/quality/visibility.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m8d29-A-week-in-the-2010-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-Day-3-interior-details
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Wow, that's classy.
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So you have a Track model? C&D, in the ridiculous "comparison" between the GC and the Camaro, dinged the GC major points for having too harsh a ride. This complaint could have easily been remedied had they not checked the Track Pack option. :rolleyes: Pay attention to ride quality and let us know if C&D is full of beans.
Quote from: Laconian on August 29, 2009, 12:31:14 PM
So you have a Track model? C&D, in the ridiculous "comparison" between the GC and the Camaro, dinged the GC major points for having too harsh a ride. This complaint could have easily been remedied had they not checked the Track Pack option. :rolleyes: Pay attention to ride quality and let us know if C&D is full of beans.
The ride isn't great, especially over larger low-speed bumps, but it's not unlivable even on the Track version. But if C/D really hated, they likely wouldn't have cared much for the Grand Touring either; ride quality is fairly similar between the two versions.
That display sure is shitty.
Quote from: Laconian on August 29, 2009, 12:31:14 PM
Wow, that's classy.
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So you have a Track model? C&D, in the ridiculous "comparison" between the GC and the Camaro, dinged the GC major points for having too harsh a ride. This complaint could have easily been remedied had they not checked the Track Pack option. :rolleyes: Pay attention to ride quality and let us know if C&D is full of beans.
Well, to C&D's defense, the ride harshness (IIRC, they complained that the suspension would chatter on choppy roads and cause the ABS to activate under braking) may be something that only really becomes a real detriment when you start pushing the car past 8/10ths on rough roads. In a competition environment, the spring rates, damping compression and damping rebound need to be tuned specifically for the size and shape of the bumps as well the speed at which they are going to be taken. A vehicle that rides very well over choppy roads at low speeds may not follow the bumps of the road well at higher speeds and a vehicle that handles bumps well and high speeds may not absorb them as well at lower speeds.
My Mazda interior looks like a Sith starship. All black with red lights. :mrcool:
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I'm seeing more of these (well, the same one over and over, we commute at similar times), and I love the looks. I've only driven the 2.0T stick and V6 automatic, and the 2.0T was a huge disappointment. The clutch engagement was terrible, and the throttle felt overly light. I want to try a V6 stick though.
As usual, I had no problems with ride quality.
Details on driving dynamics and observed fuel economy:
http://www.examiner.com/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m8d31-A-week-in-the-2010-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-Day-5-driving-dynamics-and-fuel-economy (http://www.examiner.com/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m8d31-A-week-in-the-2010-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-Day-5-driving-dynamics-and-fuel-economy)
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Quotebut within reason law enforcement won't mind you zipping your way up to the speed limit and then immediately dropping to fifth or sixth gear to settle down.
I heard this can cause premature wear on the synchros of transmissions that weren't designed to skip gears (i.e. Honda S2000)
QuoteAlso, the transmission on the Genesis Coupe doesn't have a gear for relaxed highway cruising. Even sixth at 60 miles per hour is around 2300 revolutions per minute, which impacts noise levels and gas mileage.
2300 rpm @ 60 mph doesn't seem too bad. I think my car spins almost that much at 60, and most passengers say it's quieter than their own car (including my brother's G35)
QuoteAn advantage to a powerful engine is that driving it gently produces the same go as flooring the accelerator in an economy car, giving it a range of talents.
Welcome to Club V6 :praise:
Quote from: Vinsanity on August 31, 2009, 09:47:31 PM
I heard this can cause premature wear on the synchros of transmissions that weren't designed to skip gears (i.e. Honda S2000)
Skipping gears shouldn't cause any more wear than a sequential shift if you do it right (e.g. matching revs by way of double clutching, or just pausing longer than normal in neutral to let the input and output speeds get closer).
Quote from: MX793 on September 01, 2009, 04:16:33 AM
Skipping gears shouldn't cause any more wear than a sequential shift if you do it right (e.g. matching revs by way of double clutching, or just pausing longer than normal in neutral to let the input and output speeds get closer).
I thought you didn't have to double clutch on a modern transmission if you blip the throttle?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19732.msg1150988#msg1150988 date=1251815451
I thought you didn't have to double clutch on a modern transmission if you blip the throttle?
You don't. Double clutching was beneficial on cars without synchros.
Quote from: Raza on September 01, 2009, 08:30:51 AM
I thought you didn't have to double clutch on a modern transmission if you blip the throttle?
Blipping the throttle with the clutch in will eliminate and drivetrain lurch/jerk, but it won't match the transmission shafts or spare your synchros any. The only way to reduce synchro wear is to match the speed transmission shafts, and the only way to do that is to either double clutch or shift clutchlessly (presuming you do it correctly). Blipping the throttle with the clutch in only matches the clutch speed with the pressure plate speed, it has no effect on the spinning bits in the transmission. The synchros do the work of matching the speeds of the transmission shafts and gears. The greater the shaft speed differential, the harder the synchros have to work (and the more wear and tear you'll subject them to). While you don't need to double clutch a synchromesh box, if the transmission is known to have weak synchros, you can prolong their life by double clutching. In a non-synchromesh box, you must double clutch or the shifter simply won't engage the next gear (it'll grind and refuse to engage) because there's nothing to match the gear speeds to allow them to mesh up otherwise.
Quote from: MX793 on September 01, 2009, 03:35:47 PM
Blipping the throttle with the clutch in will eliminate and drivetrain lurch/jerk, but it won't match the transmission shafts or spare your synchros any. The only way to reduce synchro wear is to match the speed transmission shafts, and the only way to do that is to either double clutch or shift clutchlessly.
Swift :praise:
Anyone know what the auto is like? My father is cross shopping this and a v6 camaro but needs an auto for the wife. I know it has paddle shifters, but does it still take forever to shift like a traditional auto?
Quote from: Loro on September 01, 2009, 05:46:27 PM
Anyone know what the auto is like? My father is cross shopping this and a v6 camaro but needs an auto for the wife. I know it has paddle shifters, but does it still take forever to shift like a traditional auto?
It's very good about following driver demand, I can say that much. I don't recall how quickly it shifted, but another driver at the media event had unknowingly put it in manual mode and the car never overrode the manual gear selection to upshift out of first.
No Mustang?
Quote from: Loro on September 01, 2009, 05:46:27 PM
Anyone know what the auto is like? My father is cross shopping this and a v6 camaro but needs an auto for the wife. I know it has paddle shifters, but does it still take forever to shift like a traditional auto?
I thought it was pretty good. The paddle shift is nice, but I remember the Camaro's being better. The Genesis looks better and has a better interior, but the Camaro is a better value.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19732.msg1151688#msg1151688 date=1251899626
I thought it was pretty good. The paddle shift is nice, but I remember the Camaro's being better. The Genesis looks better and has a better interior, but the Camaro is a better value.
I found the paddle shifters in the Genesis to be very slow to react at times, especially on the downshift.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 02, 2009, 09:10:35 AM
I found the paddle shifters in the Genesis to be very slow to react at times, especially on the downshift.
Now that you mention, I do recall some downshift frustration. Some of that may be due to transmission protection; downshifts are never an area where tiptronics excel because they tend to be overly protective when it comes to manual downshifts.
Quote from: ifcar on September 01, 2009, 08:38:28 PM
No Mustang?
He's just not a fan of it. I keep telling him he'd have a HUGE amount of options if he bought used, but he's set on a new car. Too many bad experiences with used.
Quote from: ifcar on September 01, 2009, 08:38:28 PM
No Mustang?
besides, until it gets the 3.5L DOHC engine, the V6 in the Mustang sucks. The Genesis and Camaro are where it's at as far as V6 sport coupes go.
Quote from: Vinsanity on September 03, 2009, 10:36:47 AM
besides, until it gets the 3.5L DOHC engine, the V6 in the Mustang sucks. The Genesis and Camaro are where it's at as far as V6 sport coupes go.
2011 gets the 3.7L V6 with as much as 315 hp. I think it will be closer to 300 myself, but there have been "leaks" stating 315 hp.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 03, 2009, 02:06:48 PM
2011 gets the 3.7L V6 with as much as 315 hp. I think it will be closer to 300 myself, but there have been "leaks" stating 315 hp.
This is getting out of hand.
Quote from: NACar on September 03, 2009, 02:14:36 PM
This is getting out of hand starting to get interesting
fixed.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 03, 2009, 02:06:48 PM
2011 gets the 3.7L V6 with as much as 315 hp. I think it will be closer to 300 myself, but there have been "leaks" stating 315 hp.
That'll fix the power (and likely the fuel economy too, that 4.0L is both relatively gutless and a gas hog when compared to Hyundai's 3.8 and GM's 3.6). Now they just need to give it the same suspension tuning as the base V8. Dual exhausts would be nice too, just so it doesn't scream "I bought the cheap version" from two miles away.
Quote from: MX793 on September 03, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
That'll fix the power (and likely the fuel economy too, that 4.0L is both relatively gutless and a gas hog when compared to Hyundai's 3.8 and GM's 3.6). Now they just need to give it the same suspension tuning as the base V8. Dual exhausts would be nice too, just so it doesn't scream "I bought the cheap version" from two miles away.
Hmm, I'd say that's its better to maintain a distinction visually between the base and GT cars. Just my opinion.
Quote from: R-inge on September 03, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Hmm, I'd say that's its better to maintain a distinction visually between the base and GT cars. Just my opinion.
I agree. You should get some visual upgrades on top of the performance upgrades for the extra dough.
Quote from: R-inge on September 03, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Hmm, I'd say that's its better to maintain a distinction visually between the base and GT cars. Just my opinion.
They could leave the driving lights off and make those GT exclusive. The single granny exhaust the V6 Mustang just really adds to the lame factor. With Camaro and Genesis, the visual differences are minimal between base motors and uplevel motor. With the Genesis, the only visual distinction is the badge on the trunk. With Camaro, the only real difference is the little scoop on the top of the nose on the SS and the badging. To me, that's a big selling point.
Quote from: MX793 on September 03, 2009, 05:07:01 PM
They could leave the driving lights off and make those GT exclusive. The single granny exhaust the V6 Mustang just really adds to the lame factor. With Camaro and Genesis, the visual differences are minimal between base motors and uplevel motor. With the Genesis, the only visual distinction is the badge on the trunk. With Camaro, the only real difference is the little scoop on the top of the nose on the SS and the badging. To me, that's a big selling point.
My granny has dual exhaust. :huh:
That super V6 is gonna push the Stang into a crazy price territory
How big are they gonna make the V8?
Honestly though if they do that and keep the pricing reasonable.... :cry: I could see myself in a Rustang
Quote from: sportyaccordy on September 04, 2009, 08:10:02 AM
That super V6 is gonna push the Stang into a crazy price territory
How big are they gonna make the V8?
Honestly though if they do that and keep the pricing reasonable.... :cry: I could see myself in a Rustang
The new 5.0L has been all but officially confirmed at 400 hp.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on September 04, 2009, 08:10:02 AM
That super V6 is gonna push the Stang into a crazy price territory
How big are they gonna make the V8?
Honestly though if they do that and keep the pricing reasonable.... :cry: I could see myself in a Rustang
I would guess it'll stay within a couple grand of the Camaro
Quote from: sportyaccordy on September 04, 2009, 08:10:02 AM
That super V6 is gonna push the Stang into a crazy price territory
How big are they gonna make the V8?
Honestly though if they do that and keep the pricing reasonable.... :cry: I could see myself in a Rustang
Why would the price go up much? You can get that engine in a Fusion for $25K.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 04, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
Why would the price go up much?
bacause OMFG it has crazy numbers of valves and cams and movey type things!!!!
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 04, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
Why would the price go up much? You can get that engine in a Fusion for $25K.
Either the price will go up or their profit margins on the V6 model will go down. I would honestly be shocked if the Duratec was even close to the same cost to make as the ancient Cologne 4.0L SOHC.
Final full review of the Genesis Coupe:
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QuoteHad it come out one year earlier, the Hyundai Genesis Coupe would have been the hottest car on the market, joining only the then-aging Ford Mustang and the overweight reborn Dodge Challenger as stylish coupes with lots of power and rear-wheel-drive under $30,000.
But that timing was not to be. Instead, the 2010 Genesis Coupe ? which ended its week with the DC Car Examiner last Thursday ? came out at the same time as a redesigned and greatly improved Mustang and an overachieving new Chevrolet Camaro. The comparisons were inevitable...
Continued at link:
http://www.examiner.com/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Review-2010-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-38-Track
I find it stunning that the Genesis has a less settled ride than the Mustang, and that it is less involving. I guess Ford made that live axle work. As someone who vividly recalls scaring myself (and at least one squirrel) silly in a '97 Cobra convertible on a series of two-lane roads, I'd never have thought it possible.
Rubbish steering, rubbish brakes, twitchy back end. Awesome car, though. The sound above about 3,500 rpm, all the way to 6,000, was like a bear belting out Carmen.
Quote from: CaMIRO on September 07, 2009, 01:39:49 AM
I find it stunning that the Genesis has a less settled ride than the Mustang, and that it is less involving. I guess Ford made that live axle work. As someone who vividly recalls scaring myself (and at least one squirrel) silly in a '97 Cobra convertible on a series of two-lane roads, I'd never have thought it possible.
Rubbish steering, rubbish brakes, twitchy back end. Awesome car, though. The sound above about 3,500 rpm, all the way to 6,000, was like a bear belting out Carmen.
Holy crap I haven't seen you since the C&D forums. It's nice to know you're still around! :thumbsup: :rockon:
It's good to be here, thanks. :cheers:
Fantastic looking car. Some work on that interior, and they should sell it here. I could see it taking some TT sales.
Quote from: CaMIRO on September 07, 2009, 01:39:49 AM
I find it stunning that the Genesis has a less settled ride than the Mustang, and that it is less involving. I guess Ford made that live axle work. As someone who vividly recalls scaring myself (and at least one squirrel) silly in a '97 Cobra convertible on a series of two-lane roads, I'd never have thought it possible.
Rubbish steering, rubbish brakes, twitchy back end. Awesome car, though. The sound above about 3,500 rpm, all the way to 6,000, was like a bear belting out Carmen.
The new Mustang is too comfortable and too refined. It's not as fun or involving a car as the S197.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19732.msg1155383#msg1155383 date=1252417482
The new Mustang is too comfortable and too refined. It's not as fun or involving a car as the S197.
I finally got to drive one on Saturday and I...agree with you. If this were any other car I would say it's a big improvement over the last car. But since it's a Mustang and they're supposed to be somewhat crude, it's almost a step back. Don't get me wrong, I think it handles much better and is a much better car overall then the last car, but it's too quiet (it seemed strange that the exhaust is the only thing you can hear), too refined, and too well-mannered. I never thought I would say a Mustang was too well mannered.
A Mustang without theatre?
Quote from: omicron on September 08, 2009, 09:02:55 AM
A Mustang without theatre?
Oh there's theatre, but not as much as there used to be. It's almost like they got the balance between crudeness and refinement perfect with the 05-09 model.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 08, 2009, 09:01:32 AM
I finally got to drive one on Saturday and I...agree with you. If this were any other car I would say it's a big improvement over the last car. But since it's a Mustang and they're supposed to be somewhat crude, it's almost a step back. Don't get me wrong, I think it handles much better and is a much better car overall then the last car, but it's too quiet (it seemed strange that the exhaust is the only thing you can hear), too refined, and too well-mannered. I never thought I would say a Mustang was too well mannered.
I didn't get a chance to push it hard enough to glean handling differences, but I'll believe you on that. But yeah, it felt like I could have been driving almost any other car but a Mustang. The S197 is the top of the breed, I do believe.
Quote from: CaMIRO on September 07, 2009, 01:39:49 AM
I find it stunning that the Genesis has a less settled ride than the Mustang, and that it is less involving. I guess Ford made that live axle work. As someone who vividly recalls scaring myself (and at least one squirrel) silly in a '97 Cobra convertible on a series of two-lane roads, I'd never have thought it possible.
Rubbish steering, rubbish brakes, twitchy back end. Awesome car, though. The sound above about 3,500 rpm, all the way to 6,000 7000 rpm, was like a bear belting out Carmen.
The brakes on the '97 cobra were far from rubbish, they were PBR daul pistons and 13 inch PBR rotors.
They were high effort and did not fade, for '97 they were very good and are still reasonable for a 300 hp car.
Yea Cobra brakes of that vintage are popular upgrades for Nissans
I def prefer the look of the '10 Mustang to all others
Quote from: SVT32V on September 08, 2009, 09:51:03 AM
The brakes on the '97 cobra were far from rubbish, they were PBR daul pistons and 13 inch PBR rotors.
They were high effort and did not fade, for '97 they were very good and are still reasonable for a 300 hp car.
I'm sure the specs were good; I didn't experience fade, and they stopped the car - but there was no pedal feel whatsoever. Braking in the Cobra was as though stomping on a button; sort of like the brakes in most VW Group products, if somewhat more consistent.
Loved the car, despite the flaws. Too many things needed sorting. They ticked off all the right boxes, but the end product could have used more development. Mind you, this was a convertible, so some of the twitching could be put down to (an additional) lack of rigidity.
And you're probably right about the 7,000 rpm part, although I had the car on loan from a colleague and I doubt I pushed the engine into its last 800 revs or so.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 08, 2009, 09:01:32 AM
I finally got to drive one on Saturday and I...agree with you. If this were any other car I would say it's a big improvement over the last car. But since it's a Mustang and they're supposed to be somewhat crude, it's almost a step back. Don't get me wrong, I think it handles much better and is a much better car overall then the last car, but it's too quiet (it seemed strange that the exhaust is the only thing you can hear), too refined, and too well-mannered. I never thought I would say a Mustang was too well mannered.
This actually makes me more interested in the new Mustang :mask:
I don't think
Quote from: CaMIRO on September 08, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
I'm sure the specs were good; I didn't experience fade, and they stopped the car - but there was no pedal feel whatsoever. Braking in the Cobra was as though stomping on a button; sort of like the brakes in most VW Group products, if somewhat more consistent.
I don't think the pedal is lacking in feel, it needs a good bit of pressure but it is easily modulated. If you are used to overassisted brakes then you won't like it.
Loved the car, despite the flaws. Too many things needed sorting. They ticked off all the right boxes, but the end product could have used more development. Mind you, this was a convertible, so some of the twitching could be put down to (an additional) lack of rigidity.
The vert was a joke with respect to rigidity, without subframe connectors it was boneless chicken, not a nice feel.
And you're probably right about the 7,000 rpm part, although I had the car on loan from a colleague and I doubt I pushed the engine into its last 800 revs or so.
Quote from: CaMIRO on September 08, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
I'm sure the specs were good; I didn't experience fade, and they stopped the car - but there was no pedal feel whatsoever. Braking in the Cobra was as though stomping on a button; sort of like the brakes in most VW Group products, if somewhat more consistent.
Loved the car, despite the flaws. Too many things needed sorting. They ticked off all the right boxes, but the end product could have used more development. Mind you, this was a convertible, so some of the twitching could be put down to (an additional) lack of rigidity.
And you're probably right about the 7,000 rpm part, although I had the car on loan from a colleague and I doubt I pushed the engine into its last 800 revs or so.
You've got to drive more Volkswagens.
Quote from: Raza on September 12, 2009, 07:23:49 AM
You've got to drive more Volkswagens.
To be fair, he has a point.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 12, 2009, 09:47:19 AM
To be fair, he has a point.
Does he? Both Volkswagens I've owned have had very good brake feel. A guy I know complained about his 2.5 I5 Jetta's brakes, but I haven't heard anything about his new CC. My Jetta's got great brake feel, and I'm not just comparing it to my old Mercedes, but to my old Porsche as well. Porsche does the best brakes in the business, and while they aren't as good or better or anything like that, they certainly don't fall too far short of the mark; which is saying quite a bit for a sedan that costs one-third the price.
Miro's complained about VW brakes before (and throttle response, too, I believe), but from my experience with modern Volkswagens, I just don't see it.
Quote from: Vinsanity on September 08, 2009, 11:17:13 AM
This actually makes me more interested in the new Mustang :mask:
Yea past Mustangs almost punished you for their focus on straight line performance. There was no need for such low quality everywhere else. The new car finally looks like a quality piece worthy of sale in the 21st century (even though it still has a shitty interior design).
Can you think of a competitor in the Genesis Coupe 2.0T's niche?
If you want an inexpensive RWD four banger to tune up & maybe take to the track, I can't think of anything else out there. On the face of it, this thing's a spiritual successor to the 240SX. Everybody is lusting for the V6, but the 4 could well be a more accessible starting point for aftermarket wizardry.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Morris Minor on October 06, 2009, 01:09:08 PM
Can you think of a competitor in the Genesis Coupe 2.0T's niche?
If you want an inexpensive RWD four banger to tune up & maybe take to the track, I can't think of anything else out there. On the face of it, this thing's a spiritual successor to the 240SX. Everybody is lusting for the V6, but the 4 could well be a more accessible starting point for aftermarket wizardry.
Thoughts?
But why would you demand to have a four-cylinder?
Quote from: ifcar on October 06, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
But why would you demand to have a four-cylinder?
Quote from: Morris Minor on October 06, 2009, 01:09:08 PM
the 4 could well be a more accessible starting point for aftermarket wizardry.
In context, that's within the Genesis Coupe line. Will a Hyundai four-cylinder really have more aftermarket potential than, say, the GM 3.6-liter V6 in Camaro?
It's the only 30mpg RWD car in existence!
Quote from: ifcar on October 06, 2009, 02:35:50 PM
In context, that's within the Genesis Coupe line. Will a Hyundai four-cylinder really have more aftermarket potential than, say, the GM 3.6-liter V6 in Camaro?
Maybe, since the Hyundai 4 is already turboed. But the 3.6L already has aftermarket parts for it even before the camaro came out since it was in the CTS and it's the same motor. They already dynoed a CTS a while ago showing that aftermarket intake/exhaust increased power at the wheels by 30 HP.
I just have this irrational love of small engines that put out lots of power... & I'd feel less guilty stripping unneeded bits out of a $27K car than a $32K car.
Edit: It looks like Hyundai are thinking small is good too. This looks like a real bargain:
Hyundai introduces R-Spec Genesis Coupe for enthusiasts
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/11/chicago-2009-hyundai-introduces-r-spec-genesis-coupe-for-enthus/
3K less than the 2.0 Track, what does it not have? Sounds like a good deal. Hehe are all the color names a head nod to race tracks, I know the Tsukuba one is a race track in japan.
Quote from: Sigma Projects on October 06, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
3K less than the 2.0 Track, what does it not have? Sounds like a good deal. Hehe are all the color names a head nod to race tracks, I know the Tsukuba one is a race track in japan.
The 2.0 Track has a lot of creature comforts on top of the upgraded driving hardware (premium stereo, power moonroof, power seats...). The 2.0 R-spec gets the upgraded performance hardware of the track model, but is stripped of the upmarket creature comforts. In fact, it may even have fewer ammenities than the base 2.0 (I'm not sure the R-spec even gets cruise control).
No cruise control. Bah...I wonder how many they'll sell. Who's gonna buy a Genesis coupe solely for track use? :rolleyes:
Quote from: ifcar on October 06, 2009, 02:35:50 PM
In context, that's within the Genesis Coupe line. Will a Hyundai four-cylinder really have more aftermarket potential than, say, the GM 3.6-liter V6 in Camaro?
Supposedly the turbo 4 is pretty closely related to Mitsubishi's 4B11T which powers the Lancer Ralliart and Evolution. If that's true, there will be a lot of tuning potential there and a huge aftermarket. Much more than I'd expect from GM's OHC V6 line.
I want a 2.0T R-spec!
I see, R-Spec sounds great. I don't care for sun roofs and junk.
Quote from: MX793 on October 06, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
Supposedly the turbo 4 is pretty closely related to Mitsubishi's 4B11T which powers the Lancer Ralliart and Evolution. If that's true, there will be a lot of tuning potential there and a huge aftermarket. Much more than I'd expect from GM's OHC V6 line.
Is that really confirmed? I mean the 3SGTE is extremely tunable but no one did anything with it calling it a unmodifiable motor for a long time till someone started getting them up to 400hp. Any engine can be tuned up I mean there are 22RE (Toyota's old truck motor from the early 80's) pushing 300hp whp and over 350 wtq turboed. But there aren't any real aftermarket stuff for it.
There will probably be less mods for the GM 3.6L but already it has a huge lead on it in terms of power and the few aftermarket parts have shown good gains.
There's no cruise control, and that article is from February. We haven't heard anything since then about this car.
Quote from: Sigma Projects on October 06, 2009, 03:56:36 PM
I see, R-Spec sounds great. I don't care for sun roofs and junk.
Is that really confirmed? I mean the 3SGTE is extremely tunable but no one did anything with it calling it a unmodifiable motor for a long time till someone started getting them up to 400hp. Any engine can be tuned up I mean there are 22RE (Toyota's old truck motor from the early 80's) pushing 300hp whp and over 350 wtq turboed. But there aren't any real aftermarket stuff for it.
There will probably be less mods for the GM 3.6L but already it has a huge lead on it in terms of power and the few aftermarket parts have shown good gains.
If they are related motors, and depending on exactly how closely related they are, it may be a case where Mitsu parts will bolt right in. In which case, Hyundai owners may be able to buy hop-up parts from the Mitsu Evo parts catalogs. Cams, stronger pistons and con-rods, maybe even the entire head assembly.
And while Camaro has a good head start in power, it also weighs about 500 lbs more than the Genesis 2.0T. With that kind of weight disparity, the Genesis really only needs about 270 hp before it's on par with the V6 Camaro. That's certainly an easy number to get even if the motor isn't related to the Evo motor. IIRC, it supposedly makes 220 on Premium unleaded (it's rated for 210 on regular).
Also, was the 30 hp gain from intake/exhaust on the DI version of the 3.6 motor or the "regular" 3.6 (the 265 hp version in the base CTS and G8)?
Mods will be coming for the V6 Camaros.
http://www.camaro5.com/?p=1789
Quote from: the Teuton on October 06, 2009, 04:44:55 PM
Mods will be coming for the V6 Camaros.
http://www.camaro5.com/?p=1789
Putting a turbo on a car that was never turboed is a bit more complicated than upgrading an already turbocharged car. Particularly in the case of the 3.6L DI, since the compression ratios are pretty high on that motor.
Quote from: MX793 on October 06, 2009, 04:50:21 PM
Putting a turbo on a car that was never turboed is a bit more complicated than upgrading an already turbocharged car. Particularly in the case of the 3.6L DI, since the compression ratios are pretty high on that motor.
+1
Modifying a Genesis turbo would be as simple and bolting on some parts and reflashing the PCM in most cases.
SEMA preview: GReddy X-Gen Street Hyundai Genesis Coupe
10/06/2009, 3:21 PMBY DREW JOHNSON
The 3.8L V6 model of the Hyundai Genesis Coupe may be the hottest version of the coupe straight out of the box, but GReddy has developed a new range performance parts to turn the 2.0L turbo model from an also-ran to king of the hill.
GReddy Performance Parts has teamed with Hyundai to create the ?GReddy X-Gen Street Genesis Coupe?, set to hit the show stage at this year?s SEMA Show in Las Vegas. Based on the 2.0L version of the Genesis Coupe, GReddy has seriously upped the coupe?s street and track cred ? not the mention the obligatory SEMA body work.
The GReddy X-Gen Street Genesis Coupe is aimed at the driving enthusiasts that uses the vehicle as a daily driver, but also might pull weekend racing duties with the same rig. As such, the modifications aren?t over the top, but add up to a healthy 350 horsepower and 320 lb-ft of torque. GReddy says the tuned coupe can run from 0-60 in under 6 seconds.
If 350 horsepower still sounds a little too tame, GReddy is also working on a 500 horsepower version of the kit.
?The Hyundai Genesis Coupe is a perfect car for the automotive enthusiast and the GReddy products are designed to maximize the performance capabilities of the vehicle,? said Kenji Sumino, general manager, GReddy Performance Parts. ?The Genesis Coupe is the ideal car for SEMA and we are building upon the overall concepts originally designed by Hyundai engineers and are looking forward to developing a must-see car at this year?s SEMA Show.?
Look for GReddy to launch a number of other performance parts for the Genesis Coupe ? including exhaust and suspension components ? in the coming months.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 07, 2009, 09:11:02 AM
SEMA preview: GReddy X-Gen Street Hyundai Genesis Coupe
10/06/2009, 3:21 PMBY DREW JOHNSON
The 3.8L V6 model of the Hyundai Genesis Coupe may be the hottest version of the coupe straight out of the box, but GReddy has developed a new range performance parts to turn the 2.0L turbo model from an also-ran to king of the hill.
GReddy Performance Parts has teamed with Hyundai to create the ?GReddy X-Gen Street Genesis Coupe?, set to hit the show stage at this year?s SEMA Show in Las Vegas. Based on the 2.0L version of the Genesis Coupe, GReddy has seriously upped the coupe?s street and track cred ? not the mention the obligatory SEMA body work.
The GReddy X-Gen Street Genesis Coupe is aimed at the driving enthusiasts that uses the vehicle as a daily driver, but also might pull weekend racing duties with the same rig. As such, the modifications aren?t over the top, but add up to a healthy 350 horsepower and 320 lb-ft of torque. GReddy says the tuned coupe can run from 0-60 in under 6 seconds.
If 350 horsepower still sounds a little too tame, GReddy is also working on a 500 horsepower version of the kit.
?The Hyundai Genesis Coupe is a perfect car for the automotive enthusiast and the GReddy products are designed to maximize the performance capabilities of the vehicle,? said Kenji Sumino, general manager, GReddy Performance Parts. ?The Genesis Coupe is the ideal car for SEMA and we are building upon the overall concepts originally designed by Hyundai engineers and are looking forward to developing a must-see car at this year?s SEMA Show.?
Look for GReddy to launch a number of other performance parts for the Genesis Coupe ? including exhaust and suspension components ? in the coming months.
Why does 500 HP out of a turbo 2.0 4-pot sound a little...risky?
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 06, 2009, 03:57:32 PM
There's no cruise control, and that article is from February. We haven't heard anything since then about this car.
According to Wikipedia, the R-Spec will be released in mid-2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Genesis_Coupe
The weekend racer crowd is just going to have to wait
Quote from: MX793 on October 06, 2009, 04:14:15 PM
If they are related motors, and depending on exactly how closely related they are, it may be a case where Mitsu parts will bolt right in. In which case, Hyundai owners may be able to buy hop-up parts from the Mitsu Evo parts catalogs. Cams, stronger pistons and con-rods, maybe even the entire head assembly.
And while Camaro has a good head start in power, it also weighs about 500 lbs more than the Genesis 2.0T. With that kind of weight disparity, the Genesis really only needs about 270 hp before it's on par with the V6 Camaro. That's certainly an easy number to get even if the motor isn't related to the Evo motor. IIRC, it supposedly makes 220 on Premium unleaded (it's rated for 210 on regular).
Also, was the 30 hp gain from intake/exhaust on the DI version of the 3.6 motor or the "regular" 3.6 (the 265 hp version in the base CTS and G8)?
So no confirmation yet, at least GReady is making their kit it looks like from HEMI's post. The 30 rear wheel HP gain was from the DI version. Corsa dynoed the CTS before at 263hp and after with intake and exhaust to 294hp. Sadly though sounds like the Camaro makes a lot of waste as I saw someone dynoed their V6 and was putting down 246rwhp... but they did say it was running super rich from the factory, wonder what kind of results someone can get with a different tune.
Edit: just realized the dyno run of the V6 Camaro that put down 246rwhp was also equipped with an auto.
I'd have a 2.0T over the 3.8.
Quote from: Submariner on October 07, 2009, 09:50:45 AM
Why does 500 HP out of a turbo 2.0 4-pot sound a little...risky?
If one were to buy the R-Spec & decided to budget an extra $2K on mods, what would yield the best return on the buck? I'm thinking cold air intake & decent exhaust headers, but that would prolly give no more than about 20hp.
Quote from: Morris Minor on October 20, 2009, 12:21:39 PM
If one were to buy the R-Spec & decided to budget an extra $2K on mods, what would yield the best return on the buck? I'm thinking cold air intake & decent exhaust headers, but that would prolly give no more than about 20hp.
I'd look at anything involving the chip. There are a lot of similar power turbo fours (and fives, actually) out there that gain 50+bhp out of just a chip/reprogram/whatever they call it.
Depends on the vehicle, but yeah. Sometimes there is a huge amount of power to be gained. Whether it's safe or not... well, many thousands of cars are out there with over 100k on a tuned motor, so it can't be that bad. Someday if I keep my car long enough I'll let you guys know how long the engine lasts with one. :lol:
I am pretty sure this motor will benefit greatly from a chip. High compression + low boost = big power ceiling w/stock turbo and I think this has both. I don't think any new turbo motors have less than 10:1 compression, which not long ago was considered exotic on a non-turbo motor :P
SEMA preview: Rhys Millen-built mid-engine Hyundai Genesis RM460 Coupe
10/23/2009, 9:17 AMBY DREW JOHNSON
With the build process now all but complete, Rhys Millen Racing has released a rendering of its mid-engined RM460 Hyundai Genesis Coupe. Like all things with a spec sheet this wild, the RM460 Genesis Coupe will debut next month at the SMEA Show in Las Vegas.
Powered by a thoroughly massaged version of the V8 engine used in the Genesis sedan ? mounted midship, of course ? the show car promises handling more on par with the Porsche Cayman. The engine receives eight individual throttle bodies and a set of JE pistons, which bump the compression ratio up to about 11.0:1, although none of the internals have been modified. Hyundai says the show car will crank out 500 horsepower.
The V8 mounts to a five-speed race-ready Mendeola sequential transmission tuned for a maximum speed of 182 mph, according to Inside Line.
Despite the engine placement, RMR is keeping the suspension mostly stock since the driveshaft doesn?t interfere with the rear suspension.
To facilitate access to the engine, the Genesis Coupe has been converted into a hatchback.
RMR says the modified coupe was inspired by the Ferrari 599XX, so no over-the-top SEMA spec body kit here. Just some subtle tweaks capped off by a set of 20-inch rims.
Don?t forget to check back here the first week of November for Leftlane?s live coverage of SEMA from Las Vegas.
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