http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q3/2010_toyota_4runner_spotted_undisguised-car_news/gallery
:facepalm:
It looks like three different designers drew up the front, middle and rear sections separately, then mashed them all together.
Looks like a Highlander.
It looks a bit chunky like the older Land Cruisers.
I'm usually not one to say this, but that design looks already DATED. :confused:
Quote from: Catman on August 30, 2009, 01:51:07 PM
Looks like a Highlander.
Yeah, I agree, though a but more chunky/blocky.
I read on C/D they are droppiing the V8 (So I'm glad for my dad's sake that he bought his when he did), and are adding an optional 4-banger. Seems like it's going back to its roots a little more perhaps? Or at least not following the Land Cruiser on the inexorable climb up the power/size/luxury latter that ruined it as an offroader. This I could take seriously, and will hopefully someday if I can convince el Wifo that she doesn't really need a Taco, but this instead. :lol:
Quote from: R-inge on August 30, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
Yeah, I agree, though a but more chunky/blocky.
I read on C/D they are droppiing the V8 (So I'm glad for my dad's sake that he bought his when he did), and are adding an optional 4-banger. Seems like it's going back to its roots a little more perhaps? Or at least not following the Land Cruiser on the inexorable climb up the power/size/luxury latter that ruined it as an offroader. This I could take seriously, and will hopefully someday if I can convince el Wifo that she doesn't really need a Taco, but this instead. :lol:
I always felt that a V8 in the 4Runner and Pathfinder were overkill.
Quote from: Catman on August 30, 2009, 04:35:43 PM
I always felt that a V8 in the 4Runner and Pathfinder were overkill.
They were, but in a perfectly good way. :ohyeah:
I hope they offer a stick with one or both of the engines like they do in the FJ Cruiser.
I'm not a fan. Hell, I can't think of any Toyota I like.
I really hope we're seeing distorted images. If not, it's the 4Runner that's distorted.
i like it! it finally looks like a "real" suv, not a pick-up with a cap!
Quote from: Atomic on August 31, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
i like it! it finally looks like a "real" suv, not a pick-up with a cap!
Piss off. You're not allowed to like this abomination. The last 4Runner looked excellent. The one before that looked excellent as well. This is fucking appalling.
I'll reserve judgment until I see better pics. From what I see, I don't love it but given some of Toyota's recent designs it could have been a lot worse.
the current one looks to have more character
and IMO the V6 is adequate in my fathers 2006 4runner
:nutty:
If they're ditching the V8 and adding a four-cylinder, what's the point of the Highlander?
Quote from: 93JC on August 31, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
:nutty:
If they're ditching the V8 and adding a four-cylinder, what's the point of the Highlander?
Car-based comfort and interior versatility.
Then what's the point of the 4Runner? Truck-based discomfort and interior uselessness?
Quote from: 93JC on August 31, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Then what's the point of the 4Runner? Truck-based discomfort and interior uselessness?
Off-road prowess?
Quote from: 93JC on August 31, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Then what's the point of the 4Runner? Truck-based discomfort and interior uselessness?
Off-road and towing?
The existence of the 4Runner in general is for more off-road and towing ability than the Highlander. The existence of a 4-cylinder version is presumably for people who just want the image but want to save money, and/or to advertise a lower cost/higher mileage version.
Why not offer one?
I don't know why they offer it at all. My anecdotal evidence suggests no one buys the 4Runner anymore. Nor the Sequoia.
And they still sell a Land Cruiser down there, right? So... RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser?
Oh, and FJ Cruiser!
SIX SUVs? WTF? Toyota makes a wider variety of SUVs than Jeep!
Quote from: 93JC on August 31, 2009, 04:15:52 PM
I don't know why they offer it at all. My anecdotal evidence suggests no one buys the 4Runner anymore. Nor the Sequoia.
And they still sell a Land Cruiser down there, right? So... RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser?
Oh, and FJ Cruiser!
SIX SUVs? WTF?
Don't forget the Venza. It's supposed to be some kind of SUV thing.
Quote from: 93JC on August 31, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Then what's the point of the 4Runner? Truck-based discomfort and interior uselessness?
:wtf:
Quote from: 93JC on August 31, 2009, 04:15:52 PM
I don't know why they offer it at all. My anecdotal evidence suggests no one buys the 4Runner anymore. Nor the Sequoia.
And they still sell a Land Cruiser down there, right? So... RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner, Sequoia, Land Cruiser?
Oh, and FJ Cruiser!
SIX SUVs? WTF? Toyota makes a wider variety of SUVs than Jeep!
What's wrong with options?
Here are last month's US sales, by the way:
RAV4: 15,912
FJ Cruiser: 386
Venza: 5780
Highlander: 9407
4Runner: 1,055
Sequoia: 789
Land Cruiser: 209
Considering the 4Runner's age, its sales remain acceptable, and presumably a redesign would be a boost. The Sequoia and FJ likely won't see another generation, but offering the Land Cruiser here is low-investment because of its broad global appeal.
The poor FJ. At least it's probably outselling Ford's Flex, anyway.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/11gorvp.jpg)
Quote from: NACar on August 31, 2009, 04:37:39 PM
The poor FJ. At least it's probably outselling Ford's Flex, anyway.
The Flex's sales still aren't great, but they've been improving.
Quote from: 93JC on August 31, 2009, 04:06:19 PM
ROFLcopter.
... with a four-banger...? :nutty:
I realize you just turned like 13 or something so your experience in the world is limited, but it was relatively recently that the 4Runner even offered a V8 at all, in the past a 4-banger was offered, and historically it was always a fabulous offroad vehicle. This should only continue the legacy.
I wish the Rodeo had a 4.3 liter DOHC 32 valve V8. All things being equal, that would put it at 273 hp, and make it nearly as fast as a Camry V6. :wub:
Quote from: R-inge on August 31, 2009, 04:45:37 PM
I realize you just turned like 13 or something so your experience in the world is limited, but it was relatively recently that the 4Runner even offered a V8 at all, in the past a 4-banger was offered, and historically it was always a fabulous offroad vehicle. This should only continue the legacy.
Uh-oh, now he's going to say that the Wrangler is the only current vehicle that's even acceptable off-road.
The Wrangler is the only current vehicle that's even acceptable off-road.
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 31, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
The Wrangler is the only current vehicle that's even acceptable off-road.
you forgetting something?
(http://www.thetorquereport.com/05.buick.rendezvous.500.jpg)
:rolleyes:
Quote from: NACar on August 31, 2009, 05:09:50 PM
you forgetting something?
(http://www.thetorquereport.com/05.buick.rendezvous.500.jpg)
:rolleyes:
DOH! :banghead:
Quote from: NACar on August 31, 2009, 05:09:50 PM
you forgetting something?
(http://www.thetorquereport.com/05.buick.rendezvous.500.jpg)
:rolleyes:
That's not a current vehicle. Doesn't count.
Quote from: ifcar on August 31, 2009, 05:17:57 PM
That's not a current vehicle. Doesn't count.
Man, the Rendezvous is no joke. It will throw you on your back, jump on top of you, and make you call it's name... and that's even before you turn the key.
:lol:
Quote from: HEMI666 on August 31, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
The Wrangler is the only current vehicle that's even acceptable off-road.
Swift.
/thread.
What's the difference between 4Runner and Landcruiser?
(http://cdn.images.whatcar.com/deliver/WhatCar/656x438fffffff//Car/Toyota/LandCruiser/52991242360.jpg)
They don't sell the 4Runner here but I see a lot of old shape models (1990s generation) and they seem to be the same size as the LC, presuming the 4Runner has grown at the same rate as the LC.
And you guys forgot to mention the URBAN Cruiser. :rolleyes:
(http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/T/toyota/urban-cruiser/03-large/09-urban-cruiser-f3q-s.jpg)
That's the Land Cruiser "Prado" you posted, which is sold here as the Lexus GX470 -- an upscale version of the 4Runner.
The Land Cruiser is much bigger.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/2008_Toyota_Land_Cruiser.jpg/450px-2008_Toyota_Land_Cruiser.jpg)
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 03, 2009, 05:47:24 AM
What's the difference between 4Runner and Landcruiser?
About $35k.
Confusion w names I guess. We don't have a 'Prado', just the Land Cruiser (one I posted) and the Land Cruiser V8 (one ifcar posted).
So what is the difference between our Land Cruiser (your Lexus GX?) and the 4Runner? Surely not US$35k, because the Land Cruiser here costs about ?30k!!
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 05, 2009, 07:43:42 AM
Confusion w names I guess. We don't have a 'Prado', just the Land Cruiser (one I posted) and the Land Cruiser V8 (one ifcar posted).
So what is the difference between our Land Cruiser (your Lexus GX?) and the 4Runner? Surely not US$35k, because the Land Cruiser here costs about ?30k!!
Ours is like 70k I think, which isn't far off of what yours costs if you figure exchange rate is it?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 05, 2009, 07:43:42 AM
Confusion w names I guess. We don't have a 'Prado', just the Land Cruiser (one I posted) and the Land Cruiser V8 (one ifcar posted).
So what is the difference between our Land Cruiser (your Lexus GX?) and the 4Runner? Surely not US$35k, because the Land Cruiser here costs about ?30k!!
4Runner base price: $29,000
GX470 base price: $48,000
Land Cruiser base price: $65,000
Note that both the GX and Land Cruiser do come with much more standard equipment than the 4Runner, and that the Land Cruiser is much bigger.
Quote from: ifcar on August 31, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
Uh-oh, now he's going to say that the Wrangler is the only current vehicle that's even acceptable off-road.
I was betting more along the lines of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcXC5IUOdFk
:tounge:
Seriously though, a new 4Runner won't get far off-road without a lot of work. I doubt they've made this next generation any better. In fact, I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't even worse.
Quote from: 93JC on September 05, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
:tounge:
Seriously though, a new 4Runner won't get far off-road without a lot of work. I doubt they've made this next generation any better. In fact, I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't even worse.
Looks pretty impressive in the commercials. :huh:
Quote from: Catman on September 05, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
Looks pretty impressive in the commercials. :huh:
It takes an extremely high level of use-as-a-toy abilities for him to consider a vehicle even adequate off-road.
It isn't a secret that the 4runner's off-road prowess has diminished over the years.
Although Toyota does offer the FJ which is more capable.
Quote from: Tave on September 06, 2009, 09:52:09 AM
It isn't a secret that the 4runner's off-road prowess has diminished over the years.
Although Toyota does offer the FJ which is more capable.
Besides the compromised visibility, the FJ reminds me more of the two-door 4Runners from the mid-1980s than an FJ40 recreation. And it's available with 4WD and a stick!
Yeah, it reminds me a lot of my old ride.
Quote from: ifcar on September 05, 2009, 07:49:55 PM
It takes an extremely high level of use-as-a-toy abilities for him to consider a vehicle even adequate off-road.
But then we have to ask, What context does he have to make such a call?
The current 4Runner is the most off-road capable generation ever, and more capable than many storied 4x4 marques of the past; Bronco, Blazer, and plenty of others.
Quote from: GoCougs on September 06, 2009, 10:07:26 AM
But then we have to ask, What context does he have to make such a call?
The current 4Runner is the most off-road capable generation ever, and more capable than many storied 4x4 marques of the past; Bronco, Blazer, and plenty of others.
You say that based on...
don't know about rock crwling, but my fathers 05 is an absolute tank through mud and snow...
Quote from: ifcar on September 05, 2009, 08:01:50 AM
4Runner base price: $29,000
GX470 base price: $48,000
Land Cruiser base price: $65,000
Note that both the GX and Land Cruiser do come with much more standard equipment than the 4Runner, and that the Land Cruiser is much bigger.
Almost 50k for a rebadged Landcruiser?! It better have a lot of toys at that price...
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 06, 2009, 11:15:55 AM
Almost 50k for a rebadged Landcruiser?! It better have a lot of toys at that price...
The only rebadged Landcruiser is the Lexus LX570, which is even more expensive.
Quote from: GoCougs on September 06, 2009, 11:26:15 AM
The only rebadged Landcruiser is the Lexus LX570, which is even more expensive.
He means the SUV that's apparently called the Land Cruiser in Britain.
Quote from: 93JC on September 05, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
:tounge:
Seriously though, a new 4Runner won't get far off-road without a lot of work. I doubt they've made this next generation any better. In fact, I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't even worse.
Your and idiot. Vehicles with less capability do just fine off road.
Quote from: R-inge on September 06, 2009, 06:03:49 PM
Your and idiot. Vehicles with less capability do just fine off road.
Pfft! In Colorado maybe. I've seen your "off-roads," they've been tourist-ified. You guys don't even have mountains anymore, just progressively hillier subdivisions. :evildude:
:lol:
Quote from: Tave on September 06, 2009, 06:23:45 PM
Pfft! In Colorado maybe. I've seen your "off-roads," they've been tourist-ified. You guys don't even have mountains anymore, just progressively hillier subdivisions. :evildude:
lol
I guess you have a point. But I grew up around these roads: http://www.4x4now.com/a4f98b.htm , http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=engineer+pass+colorado&search_type=&aq=f , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvkspFMHX9I
And this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av7y77ytDw0 The camera car looks to be a Xterra.
Very ugly and the 4-cylinder will be a complete dog.
I wonder how much it will weigh? I met someone today with an older 1st gen with the fourbanger and they get high-20s for fuel economy. That could be nice.
Well, it depends how much you open her up. Don't expect to drive faster than 70 to get that. The around-town mileage is nice, but then the suspension isn't set-up for city driving. :loopy: :lol:
Quote from: R-inge on September 06, 2009, 07:39:32 PM
I wonder how much it will weigh? I met someone today with an older 1st gen with the fourbanger and they get high-20s for fuel economy. That could be nice.
I can't quite imagine the new one doing that well. The current V6 RWD weighs in at 4000 lbs, I can't imagine the new one weighing less.
Quote from: TBR on September 06, 2009, 07:47:37 PM
I can't quite imagine the new one doing that well. The current V6 RWD weighs in at 4000 lbs, I can't imagine the new one weighing less.
Yikes, what a pig.
The old ones weren't much better.
Quote from: Tave on September 06, 2009, 08:16:34 PM
The old ones weren't much better.
Rly? I bet the 1st gens were lighter though.
Quote from: R-inge on September 06, 2009, 08:17:17 PM
Rly? I bet the 1st gens were lighter though.
Barely; right around 2-tons themselves.
Quote from: Tave on September 06, 2009, 08:20:01 PM
Barely; right around 2-tons themselves.
Wow. I'm impressed then with those folks' fuel econ.
Quote from: R-inge on September 06, 2009, 08:10:48 PM
Yikes, what a pig.
That really doesn't strike me as all that bad. The Edge weighs just as much despite being a unibody. Now that's a pig.
Quote from: TBR on September 06, 2009, 08:36:17 PM
That really doesn't strike me as all that bad. The Edge weighs just as much despite being a unibody. Now that's a pig.
Good point.
Piss off.
umm... a little harsh, eh?!
i do not dispute the success of past 4runners, but i still like the new one much better.
i stand by my initial observation and subsequent opinion. i do admire your passion, though :tounge: !
Quote from: R-inge on September 06, 2009, 08:10:48 PM
Yikes, what a pig.
Are you kidding me? That's only 120 lbs more then a new Camaro.
Quote from: ifcar on September 06, 2009, 11:27:19 AM
He means the SUV that's apparently called the Land Cruiser in Britain.
It's the LandCruiser Prado here, too, and you can get a new one (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=7476263&__sid=1239BEBA554A&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%201246%204294962861%204294962685%204294927309&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=2&silo=1011) with unpainted bumpers, steel wheels and a 3.0 turbodiesel six.
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/cil/carpoint/192351.jpg)
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/cil/carpoint/192348.jpg)
Quote from: TBR on September 06, 2009, 07:34:50 PM
Very ugly and the 4-cylinder will be a complete dog.
There hasn't been a 4cylinder model since the last redesign.
It does look like someone took a highlander, made it a bit bigger, and smacked it in the face. Unfortunate. I've always liked the 4Runner, they're normally very capable at going places most SUVs don't go anymore, but they keep making it less and less truck-like, it seems. Eventually it'll just be a truck platform highlander, which I don't think is as much fun.
Quote from: thewizard16 on September 09, 2009, 08:41:41 AM
There hasn't been a 4cylinder model since the last redesign.
It does look like someone took a highlander, made it a bit bigger, and smacked it in the face. Unfortunate. I've always liked the 4Runner, they're normally very capable at going places most SUVs don't go anymore, but they keep making it less and less truck-like, it seems. Eventually it'll just be a truck platform highlander, which I don't think is as much fun.
With truck-based SUVs become a niche market now, perhaps they'll be more willing to make it a truck.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 07, 2009, 08:03:19 PM
Are you kidding me? That's only 120 lbs more then a new Camaro.
And only 70 lbs more than a GT500...
Quote from: omicron on September 08, 2009, 09:51:09 AM
It's the LandCruiser Prado here, too, and you can get a new one (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=7476263&__sid=1239BEBA554A&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%201246%204294962861%204294962685%204294927309&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=2&silo=1011) with unpainted bumpers, steel wheels and a 3.0 turbodiesel six.
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/cil/carpoint/192351.jpg)
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/cil/carpoint/192348.jpg)
And they try to pass this off as a Lexus.... :lol:
You can get a 3dr version in Europe.
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 07, 2009, 08:03:19 PM
Are you kidding me? That's only 120 lbs more then a new Camaro.
Also a pig. :lol:
Sweet! The Lexus GX! :wtf:
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/cil/carpoint/192351.jpg)
:lol:
The 4Runner looks pretty good IMO :mask:
(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachment.php?s=16dffb2e8e32ed01f59a84f84d6c7a17&attachmentid=20721&stc=1&d=1252297617)
(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20893&stc=1&d=1252648185)
Not too bad.
I like the basic shape, but the details on the front and rear look busy.
Very nice.
I hate the tailights!
Doesn't look bad actually.
I can't wait to see it in person.
Never been into rockers, and I think the front overhang is too low, but all in all it looks good (reminds me a lot of the Jeep GC).
Still would have loved to have seen the 5.7L as an option, but the beefed up 4.0L V6 should suffice; even in its previous lower HP form it felt far stronger than its peak HP number would indicate.
I bet you could automatically improve the front overhang by un-clipping that little blacked out chin spoiler bit and leaving it at home if you're going to take it off-road.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 12, 2009, 05:39:13 AM
The 4Runner looks pretty good IMO :mask:
(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachment.php?s=16dffb2e8e32ed01f59a84f84d6c7a17&attachmentid=20721&stc=1&d=1252297617)
(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20893&stc=1&d=1252648185)
Those pics look much better, the taillights are my biggest complaint.
Definitely looks better in these pictures, but still not nearly as attractive as the present model. Looks a lot like that new GMC suv to me.
Quote from: TBR on September 12, 2009, 12:20:12 PM
Definitely looks better in these pictures, but still not nearly as attractive as the present model. Looks a lot like that new GMC suv to me.
True, but looking back I didn't like the present model much when it first came out. It seemed to grow on me over time, in contrast to many GM products which to me look ok at first but age very very poorly.
Looking back at past 4runners, I don't think there's a single generation that hasn't aged very well.
I'm a fan.
Dang, finally something from Toyota we all seem to like.
Lets see if Honda can do that next with the next Pilot.
I doubt it.
I like Rodeos better.
Quote from: thecarnut on September 12, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
Dang, finally something from Toyota we all seem to like.
Lets see if Honda can do that next with the next Pilot.
I doubt it.
Yeah but the Pilot has an awesome USB port on the front. :huh:
Quote from: Catman on September 12, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Yeah but the Pilot has an awesome USB port on the front. :huh:
It's funny how they put the port there, but didn't hook it up to anything. I guess it's because nobody makes a garage/docking station to fit it... yet.
iPilot
That windshield isn't going to work.
Quote from: CJ on September 12, 2009, 05:22:06 PM
That windshield isn't going to work.
Why, it's not windy enough, or it's not shieldy enough?"
Too vertical.
Quote from: CJ on September 12, 2009, 05:32:35 PM
Too vertical.
(http://www.truckpaper.com/images/Truck/fullsize/81111257.jpg)
LOL WUT
I don't like it.
I think the Sequoia is a better design.
:orly:
:facepalm:
I like the chunky, large looking Sequoia better.
This car has too many lines, too many creases, and is too busy and boring at the same time.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 12, 2009, 06:44:12 PM
I like the chunky, large looking Sequoia better.
This car has too many lines, too many creases, and is too busy and boring at the same time.
Boring is what Toyota does best! :clap:
Quote from: Catman on September 12, 2009, 06:57:30 PM
Boring is what Toyota does best! :clap:
The new TL has the same problem. Everytime I see one in person, I can't tell what I'm even looking at.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 12, 2009, 07:02:47 PM
The new TL has the same problem. Everytime I see one in person, I can't tell what I'm even looking at.
So what does that make the Econoline?
Quote from: 2o6 on September 12, 2009, 07:02:47 PM
The new TL has the same problem. Everytime I see one in person, I can't tell what I'm even looking at.
LOL, yeah it's a mess. The weird thing about the TL is that's it's ugly but there's some details in the styling that almost look cool. :huh:
Not bad. Looks "decent" for a Toyota-designed product. :ohyeah: