...which would it be?
It can be a past or present company. Once you have made your choice you are restricted to only owning cars produced by that company for the rest of your life. However, that includes cars made at any time by that maker. Money is no object in your decision.
That's easy for me. I've always found a Ford that has suited my purpose and my budget. If I wanted a new car now, there are excellent choices from the 4 corners of the world.
If money is no object and I wanted to indulge in fantasy cars, I could choose from several that are a car guy's dream. The remarkable Mustangs of the late '60s and 1970; the 1970 Boss 302 along with any of the Shelbys would be my first choices. Of course the Cobras and the remarkable GT40 would be a must for my collection. If I wanted that certain je-ne-sais-quoi of the noble marques, there would always be something from the era of Jaguars and Aston Martins that were produced by Ford along with the racing legends, often powered by a Cosworth racing engine while under the stewardship of Ford; or even before when Ford supplied the money to those 2 geniuses who created the most remarkable of all engines of their era. The list is endless.
GM. Currently they cover a wide range of autos from Pick ups to the almighty ZR1 to the plush Caddys! I could also own 1970 454 Chevelles, '57 Bel Airs and '64 Impalas. The list goes on.
Porsche. Easiest question ever.
Oh yeah, BMW takes second place in this race.
mercedes-benz. no doubt.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 07:25:31 AM
Porsche. Easiest question ever.
Especially now that they have the Panamera, choosing them seems like a pretty good choice.
Still, I think I might have to go with BMW.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 30, 2010, 06:59:04 AM
That's easy for me. I've always found a Ford that has suited my purpose and my budget. If I wanted a new car now, there are excellent choices from the 4 corners of the world.
If money is no object and I wanted to indulge in fantasy cars, I could choose from several that are a car guy's dream. The remarkable Mustangs of the late '60s and 1970; the 1970 Boss 302 along with any of the Shelbys would be my first choices. Of course the Cobras and the remarkable GT40 would be a must for my collection. If I wanted that certain je-ne-sais-quoi of the noble marques, there would always be something from the era of Jaguars and Aston Martins that were produced by Ford along with the racing legends, often powered by a Cosworth racing engine while under the stewardship of Ford; or even before when Ford supplied the money to those 2 geniuses who created the most remarkable of all engines of their era. The list is endless.
You make a compelling argument. I was headed in the Audi direction or even Honda on the small side ( motorcycles!! ) , but you've just reminded me of some of the other car companies they owned ( volvo too! ).
I'm going with Ford as well.
To be technical, he did say marque, not corporation, so choosing Ford would limit you to Ford-branded vehicles, not anything owned by FoMoCo.
So easy. BMW.
E34 wagon, E46 M3 CSL, E31 850CSi
Hmm, hard one. It would have to be a company which makes high performance vehicles as well as something which is highly capable offroad. Ford would be one option as long as I could get a Focus RS (the 300hp version), as would be Nissan, and possibly Toyota if they make the AE86 successor a reasonably good car. I guess for now I'm undecided on the matter.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 30, 2010, 10:24:27 AM
So easy. BMW.
E34 wagon, E46 M3 CSL, E31 850CSi
You're missing the best parts.
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Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on January 30, 2010, 07:09:16 AM
GM. Currently they cover a wide range of autos from Pick ups to the almighty ZR1 to the plush Caddys! I could also own 1970 454 Chevelles, '57 Bel Airs and '64 Impalas. The list goes on.
When I said marque, I meant specific as in Chevy, Cadillac, etc. Otherwise I could just say VAG and be done with it :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 07:25:31 AM
Porsche. Easiest question ever.
Easier now that they make the Cayenne and Panamera, less easy before that.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 30, 2010, 06:59:04 AM
That's easy for me. I've always found a Ford that has suited my purpose and my budget. If I wanted a new car now, there are excellent choices from the 4 corners of the world.
If money is no object and I wanted to indulge in fantasy cars, I could choose from several that are a car guy's dream. The remarkable Mustangs of the late '60s and 1970; the 1970 Boss 302 along with any of the Shelbys would be my first choices. Of course the Cobras and the remarkable GT40 would be a must for my collection. If I wanted that certain je-ne-sais-quoi of the noble marques, there would always be something from the era of Jaguars and Aston Martins that were produced by Ford along with the racing legends, often powered by a Cosworth racing engine while under the stewardship of Ford; or even before when Ford supplied the money to those 2 geniuses who created the most remarkable of all engines of their era. The list is endless.
Good choice. I never would have thought of Ford because I'm not used to Mustangs and I always forget that the GT is a Ford, as stupid as that will sound.
BimmerM3....
Those are good cars, but IIRC the Z8 weighs the same as the E39 M5 (which I like more), the 3.0 CS is nice but too old, 2002tii has too much boost lag and the ??? is tooo tooo old.
BMW's best motors have cylinder counts in multiples of 6. E34 wagon is nice and still from BMW's solid days, plus easy to turbocharge. E46 CSL is awesome. E31 CSi is one of my favorite Bimmers of the last 30 years...
For me, Ford.
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man, I'm just scratching the surface. Hot rod, road race, trucking, family haulers, drag race... Like GM, they cover everything. it was a toss-up between Ford and Chevy, but the GT-40s really put it over the top for me. And of course all the Ford Cosworth F1 and road racing stuff.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 30, 2010, 10:15:10 AM
To be technical, he did say marque, not corporation, so choosing Ford would limit you to Ford-branded vehicles, not anything owned by FoMoCo.
I still think it would be Ford. They pretty much make something for most any situation I'd be in driving wise.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 30, 2010, 11:06:05 AM
BimmerM3....
Those are good cars, but IIRC the Z8 weighs the same as the E39 M5 (which I like more), the 3.0 CS is nice but too old, 2002tii has too much boost lag and the ??? is tooo tooo old.
BMW's best motors have cylinder counts in multiples of 6. E34 wagon is nice and still from BMW's solid days, plus easy to turbocharge. E46 CSL is awesome. E31 CSi is one of my favorite Bimmers of the last 30 years...
I mean, they're all fantastic cars. My dream garage would likely be a huge collection of BMWs, old, new, and in between, with a few other cars thrown in here and there. And yes, the E31 is sexy as hell.
The only real downside of choosing BMW is that they've never had a real super car, at least not in the past 28 years.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 30, 2010, 10:15:10 AM
To be technical, he did say marque, not corporation, so choosing Ford would limit you to Ford-branded vehicles, not anything owned by FoMoCo.
I noticed that, but then I noticed he referred to company and maker so I expanded my choices to anything that Ford had been involved in the making of; including a number of iconic hybrids, the Cobra, the Tiger, the Pantera, the Noble and even, a bit of a stretch, the koenigsegg CC plus many others.
I'd like to pick one of your fancy sports-car companies, but what if I need a truck? I'm left with Ford.
Porsche, or perhaps Audi with the R8 and Q7.
Realistically though, probably Chevrolet.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on January 30, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
When I said marque, I meant specific as in Chevy, Cadillac, etc. Otherwise I could just say VAG and be done with it :lol:
I'll go with Chevy.
Other than the highly unrealistic luxury and/or sports car (BMW, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, etc.) makers and the we-make-everything-under-sun makers (Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge)... who's going to pick anything else?
Quote from: 93JC on January 30, 2010, 01:17:25 PM
Other than the highly unrealistic luxury and/or sports car (BMW, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, etc.) makers and the we-make-everything-under-sun makers (Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge)... who's going to pick anything else?
With a few exceptions, the Japanese marques have uglified their product ranges. Of these brands though, I'll go with Infiniti.
Shit, I forgot about motorcycles.
Suzuki it is, then. :lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 30, 2010, 01:22:41 PM
Shit, I forgot about motorcycles.
Suzuki it is, then. :lol:
He said DRIVE for the rest of our lives,not RIDE! So it's only fair that we get keep our Suzuki motorcycles! :cheers:
Honda.
BMW, because their trend of making a new niche SUV for every jackoff means I'll never have a car that doesn't fit my dynamic lifestyle.
Quote from: 93JC on January 30, 2010, 01:17:25 PM
Other than the highly unrealistic luxury and/or sports car (BMW, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, etc.) makers and the we-make-everything-under-sun makers (Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge)... who's going to pick anything else?
Do you say that BMW, Porsche and M-B are unrealistic because they're expensive or because they're impractical? Really the only type of car you can't get from those manufacturers is a truck, but you could just use one of the SUVs and a trailer if you needed to haul something.
Both impractical and expensive. Impractical because they're expensive. Yes, hypothetically you could buy one of the SUVs and tow around a trailer if you needed to haul something, but it's preposterously silly. You wouldn't ever dare take one offroad because it would cost an arm and a leg to fix anything. You wouldn't want kids to go near them for fear of wrecking the interior.
I guess it's just a product of my lifestyle: I don't think I'd ever buy a luxury car, let alone own one for the rest of my life. And it's a little hard to fathom a lifestyle which would accommodate that.
Quote from: 93JC on January 30, 2010, 03:04:57 PM
Both impractical and expensive. Impractical because they're expensive. Yes, hypothetically you could buy one of the SUVs and tow around a trailer if you needed to haul something, but it's preposterously silly. You wouldn't ever dare take one offroad because it would cost an arm and a leg to fix anything. You wouldn't want kids to go near them for fear of wrecking the interior.
I guess it's just a product of my lifestyle: I don't think I'd ever buy a luxury car, let alone own one for the rest of my life. And it's a little hard to fathom a lifestyle which would accommodate that.
Hmm. I guess I shouldn't have bought a used luxury car or luxury SUV. Considering that neither one cost as much as a new economy car, however...
And I use my luxury SUV to tow trailers and go offroad... Hmmm. I guess I'm just "preposterously silly..." :rolleyes:
I've only ever owned Mazda's before but this still isn't an easy pick for me. For one I'd like to have a pickup truck for work one of these days and they don't make one. And buying a B2000, 2200 or 2600 would mean I'm buying a truck almost old enough to drink legally. I also know that most Mazda dealerships suck ass. I never had to deal with that before because I had a hook up with my local one. But it's gone under and now I've got to deal with the only one still around and I'll just be a normal customer to treat like crap. Well see how it works out before I make my judgment on them.
I'm also not a fan of the face on their now cars. Hopefully by the next time I need a new car that will be long gone.
It would have to be a company that made or makes good trucks, SUVs and sports cars. That rules out the Europeans.
Mazda: Miata, RX7, RX8, old B-series trucks, some cool things like the Cosmo.
Toyota: 4Runner, Tacoma/truck, Tundra, Land Cruisers, Celica, Supra, MR2, tons of non-U.S. market cars, etc.
Nissan: decent pick-ups, Pathfinder, X-Terra, Patrol, Z-cars, 240SX, cool old cars like the 510.
Ford: lots of cool old cars and trucks, F-series, Ranger, Explorer ( :lol: ), SHO, Mustang, GT40, yadda yadda.
Chevy: lots of cool old cars and trucks, Silverado/C10 and heavy duty versions, Blazer, S10, Corvette, Camaro, yadda yadda.
Dodge: lots of cool old cars and trucks, Viper, Ram, Durango, Dakota.
Those are pretty much the options, I think. Of those, I think I'd go with Mazda.
Quote from: Onslaught on January 30, 2010, 04:01:48 PM
I've only ever owned Mazda's before but this still isn't an easy pick for me. For one I'd like to have a pickup truck for work one of these days and they don't make one. And buying a B2000, 2200 or 2600 would mean I'm buying a truck almost old enough to drink legally. I also know that most Mazda dealerships suck ass. I never had to deal with that before because I had a hook up with my local one. But it's gone under and now I've got to deal with the only one still around and I'll just be a normal customer to treat like crap. Well see how
it works out before I make my judgment on them.
I'm also not a fan of the face on their now cars. Hopefully by the next time I need a new car that will be long gone.
I bet the Ranger re-badges count as Mazda B-series.
Quote from: Rupert on January 30, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
I bet the Ranger re-badges count as Mazda B-series.
Not a fan. Happy they dumped them.
Quote from: Onslaught on January 30, 2010, 04:01:48 PM
I've only ever owned Mazda's before but this still isn't an easy pick for me. For one I'd like to have a pickup truck for work one of these days and they don't make one. And buying a B2000, 2200 or 2600 would mean I'm buying a truck almost old enough to drink legally. I also know that most Mazda dealerships suck ass. I never had to deal with that before because I had a hook up with my local one. But it's gone under and now I've got to deal with the only one still around and I'll just be a normal customer to treat like crap. Well see how it works out before I make my judgment on them.
I'm also not a fan of the face on their now cars. Hopefully by the next time I need a new car that will be long gone.
Why is this? I'm seriously unimpressed with both of the Mazda dealerships in this area, for both sales and service. At this point, I try to avoid them, but some things I just can't get at NAPA (parking brake cable, for example). It's certainly going to influence what I buy next (which is a shame, 'cause I'd totally rock a last gen Mazda6 or a last gen Mazdaspeed3).
Quote from: Onslaught on January 30, 2010, 04:25:00 PM
Not a fan. Happy they dumped them.
Crappy vehicles to do bodywork on? My dad's B4000 has proven to be a remarkably reliable vehicle. My Ranger was pretty reliable too, and easy enough to do mechanical work on.
I liked my Ranger, but it's definitely a crappy American mini truck. :huh:
The Mazda dealer I used to go to in Eugene, OR was fine. I wasn't as impressed as I am with Boise's Ford dealer, but I didn't have any problems with them.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 30, 2010, 03:38:13 PM
Hmm. I guess I shouldn't have bought a used luxury car or luxury SUV. Considering that neither one cost as much as a new economy car, however...
And I use my luxury SUV to tow trailers and go offroad... Hmmm. I guess I'm just "preposterously silly..." :rolleyes:
Go fuck yourself, Chris.
Quote from: 93JC on January 30, 2010, 03:04:57 PM
Both impractical and expensive. Impractical because they're expensive. Yes, hypothetically you could buy one of the SUVs and tow around a trailer if you needed to haul something, but it's preposterously silly. You wouldn't ever dare take one offroad because it would cost an arm and a leg to fix anything. You wouldn't want kids to go near them for fear of wrecking the interior.
I guess it's just a product of my lifestyle: I don't think I'd ever buy a luxury car, let alone own one for the rest of my life. And it's a little hard to fathom a lifestyle which would accommodate that.
If money is no object, then expensive repairs ain't no big deal, yo. My first thought was Mercedes. Everything from the classic 600's and pagoda SL's to the G-wagen would suit me just fine :mrcool:
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 07:25:31 AM
Porsche. Easiest question ever.
Ding Ding, my first thought exactly.
Supercar performance with everyday appeal.
The 911, the 911 turbo, trackday toys like the GT3 even with a new king of super sedans and a SUV for the wife.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 30, 2010, 07:25:31 AM
Porsche. Easiest question ever.
I dunno about easiest, but definitely porsche for me as well.
I think I would go with Ford. See ChrisV's post for my reason.
Quote from: The Pirate on January 30, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
Why is this? I'm seriously unimpressed with both of the Mazda dealerships in this area, for both sales and service. At this point, I try to avoid them, but some things I just can't get at NAPA (parking brake cable, for example). It's certainly going to influence what I buy next (which is a shame, 'cause I'd totally rock a last gen Mazda6 or a last gen Mazdaspeed3).
I don't know. But you hear it from so many people that it just must be true. I hear the one I'm going to go to now is nice and I hope that it's true. The one that my last employer owned was a joke. But I knew one really good guy in the parts department and the main tech who was really good. So I never had to deal with anyone at that place other than them if I needed something. So having a Mazda was no problem for me. You would think that
being a small manufacture that having great customer services would be something Mazda would want all their dealerships to have. I just don't get it.
Quote from: The Pirate on January 30, 2010, 09:06:26 PM
Crappy vehicles to do bodywork on? My dad's B4000 has proven to be a remarkably reliable vehicle. My Ranger was pretty reliable too, and easy enough to do mechanical work on.
Yes. It's one of my top 5 things I hate working on. I want them to die and go away already! And my family had 2 BULLETPROOF B2000 trucks for over 20 years and I always liked them more. I could never grow to accept a Ford truck with a Mazda sticker on it.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on January 30, 2010, 10:52:39 AM
Easier now that they make the Cayenne and Panamera, less easy before that.
911s have surprisingly big boots.
But yes, I'll take Porsche as well. 911, 911, 911, Boxster, Cayenne GTS, Panamera, 911, and 911. Sounds like quite a garage to me.
I was going to pick Porsche but wanted to be realistic. I can't afford anything other than a Boxster or base Cayman right now. And then the upkeep and insurance on these cars cost more than normal cars.
I'll also need something that can hold more than two people sometimes and Porsche makes nothing that I could buy or would want to buy that can do that.
So while Porsche is one of my favorite all time manufactures, and the 911 and Cayman S are some of my favorite cars out today I can't pick them for this post.
Quote from: Onslaught on January 31, 2010, 06:45:11 AM
I was going to pick Porsche but wanted to be realistic. I can't afford anything other than a Boxster or base Cayman right now. And then the upkeep and insurance on these cars cost more than normal cars.
I'll also need something that can hold more than two people sometimes and Porsche makes nothing that I could buy or would want to buy that can do that.
So while Porsche is one of my favorite all time manufactures, and the 911 and Cayman S are some of my favorite cars out today I can't pick them for this post.
I'd put money on a Boxster or 911 being cheaper to insure than your RX-8.
Bimmer,
BMW has enough engines and chassis' for me to make a supercar, like that incredible V10 E30 M3. Something like a turbo + rollcaged E30 with an E36 M3 engine would be more than enough for me.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on January 30, 2010, 10:53:47 AM
Good choice. I never would have thought of Ford because I'm not used to Mustangs and I always forget that the GT is a Ford, as stupid as that will sound.
hmm... i completely forgot about the gt, as well. btw, how long will production last? i recall fmc stating that only a very few will be made.
Ford.
Porsche. BMW in a close second.
Quote from: Onslaught on January 31, 2010, 06:18:20 AM
Yes. It's one of my top 5 things I hate working on. I want them to die and go away already! And my family had 2 BULLETPROOF B2000 trucks for over 20 years and I always liked them more. I could never grow to accept a Ford truck with a Mazda sticker on it.
What are the other four?
Mercedes. They have a car for just about every occasion and their current product mix is pretty damn good, imo.
1 - Porsche .... Panamera, Cayman, Cayenne GTS, 911 GT3
2 - Audi ..... A8, TT-RS, Q7 V12 diesel, R8
porsche only gets it because of the option of having rwd...
I saw a Panamera yesterday. Looks really bloated.
Quote from: SVT666 on January 31, 2010, 05:52:58 PM
I saw a Panamera yesterday. Looks really bloated.
I saw one take a corner at an intersection and I thought it looked good... from the front. Once it went into profile it was nasty. And then from the rear... :facepalm:
Saw one for the second time when I was in manhattan over the weekend. Still looked awkward and terrible
I think it looks great. Much better in darker colors. It's definitely really wide and low in person.
Bimmer.
Easy question. Nice cars in almost every conceivable segment.
Quote from: mzziaz on February 01, 2010, 12:01:09 AM
Bimmer.
Easy question. Nice cars in almost every conceivable segment.
They're missing lots of segments, but I digress.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 12:12:25 AM
They're missing lots of segments, but I digress.
What segments are they missing other than a pick-up truck?
Anything not luxury. Also a real SUV.
Quote from: Rupert on February 01, 2010, 02:31:39 AM
Anything not luxury. Also a real SUV.
116 isn't very luxurious, imo. And since a premise was that money didn't matter, I don't mind some amenities (and driving dynamics) in the car.
the X5 is SUV enough, albeit not as truck like as some of the US competitors.
They do lack a pick up, however - which I'll never need anyway.
Quote from: Rupert on February 01, 2010, 02:31:39 AM
Anything not luxury. Also a real SUV.
Who cares if it's "luxury" or not? Wouldn't you prefer a luxury vehicle if given a choice?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 01, 2010, 01:13:35 AM
What segments are they missing other than a pick-up truck?
You said "almost every conceivable segment", which is patently false. They are missing small pickup, large pickup, large SUV, a proper 4x4, a supercar, a minivan, an SUV or crossover with 3 rows of seating, and small, medium, and large sedans and coupes that are not luxury.
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 08:16:50 AM
Who cares if it's "luxury" or not? Wouldn't you prefer a luxury vehicle if given a choice?
He said, "almost every conceivable segment". Not having any cars that aren't luxury is not almost every conceivable segment.
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Volkswagen. Air cooled.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 09:08:56 AM
You said "almost every conceivable segment", which is patently false. They are missing small pickup, large pickup, large SUV, a proper 4x4, a supercar, a minivan, an SUV or crossover with 3 rows of seating, and small, medium, and large sedans and coupes that are not luxury.
Well, I'm not going to directly argue with because you're right on all counts except for one (X5 has a 3rd row), but rather I'm going to share more of my thought process behind what I'm thinking and, for the purposes of this post, I'm assuming that mizzaz is thinking (since he's who said "almost every conceivable segment," not me).
So when I chose BMW, I was thinking of every conceivable segment that I could imagine myself wanting/needing given the stipulation that money is no object. To knock the "no non-luxury" argument out off the bat - why would you need non-luxury cars if you can get luxury cars at no cost to you? Not to mention that a lot of the decontented European models aren't exactly the pinnacle of luxury.
These are the segments that I had in mind (and some of which I added to fit your categories better) for this thread, and the BMWs that fit the bill.
Subcompact hatch/coupe: 1er
Subcompact sedan: N/A
Compact sedan/wagon/coupe: 3er
Mid-size sedan/wagon: 5er
Mid-size coupe: 6er
Full-size sedan: 7er
Full-size wagon/coupe: N/A
Compact SUV: X3
Mid-size SUV: X5
Full-size SUV: N/A
Small Pick-up: N/A
Large Pick-up: N/A
People hauler: X5 (available 3rd row)
Proper 4x4: N/A, but I'm pretty sure the X5 could handle anything that I'd need to throw at it.
Supercar: N/A, or you could count the M1 (personally I don't).
So out of those, BMW doesn't have full-sized wagons (I can't think of a single company that does offer one) and coupes (Rolls and Bentley make them... who else?), small and full-size pick-up trucks, a proper 4x4, a subcompact sedan (There are a few out there now, Yaris, Versa, Aveo, Kizashi, but it's unnecessary when you have a hatch that would be more practical than it's sedan equivalent.) or a supercar.
Out of those categories, I could personally only ever imagine myself wanting a mid or full-size pick-up truck (i.e. an older full-size truck before they got gigantic on me, or a truck sized like the current Dakota), a proper 4x4, and a supercar, but as far as I'm concerned, those are the three least important categories, and no matter which marque you choose, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. For me, it seems like the fewest number of sacrifices would have to be made with BMW.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 01, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
Well, I'm not going to directly argue with because you're right on all counts except for one (X5 has a 3rd row), but rather I'm going to share more of my thought process behind what I'm thinking and, for the purposes of this post, I'm assuming that mizzaz is thinking (since he's who said "almost every conceivable segemnt," not me).
You're right about the X5. I actually didn't know that it came with a 3rd row, even though that 3rd row is the smallest third row I've ever seen, it's still a 3rd row.
QuoteSo when I chose BMW, I was thinking of every conceivable segment that I could imagine myself wanting/needing given the stipulation that money is no object. To knock the "no non-luxury" argument out off the bat - why would you need non-luxury cars if you can get luxury cars at no cost to you? Not to mention that a lot of the decontented European models aren't exactly the pinnacle of luxury.
Those are European models that are not available here.
QuoteThese are the segments that I had in mind (and some of which I added to fit your categories better) for this thread, and the BMWs that fit the bill.
Subcompact hatch/coupe: 1er
Subcompact sedan: N/A
Compact sedan/wagon/coupe: 3er
Mid-size sedan/wagon: 5er
Mid-size coupe: 6er
Full-size sedan: 7er
Full-size wagon/coupe: N/A
Compact SUV: X3
Mid-size SUV: X5
Full-size SUV: N/A
Small Pick-up: N/A
Large Pick-up: N/A
People hauler: X5 (available 3rd row)
Proper 4x4: N/A, but I'm pretty sure the X5 could handle anything that I'd need to throw at it.
Supercar: N/A, or you could count the M1 (personally I don't).
So out of those, BMW doesn't have full-sized wagons (I can't think of a single company that does offer one)
Dodge Magnum
Quoteand coupes (Rolls and Bentley make them... who else?), small and full-size pick-up trucks, a proper 4x4, a subcompact sedan (There are a few out there now, Yaris, Versa, Aveo, Kizashi, but it's unnecessary when you have a hatch that would be more practical than it's sedan equivalent. or a supercar.
Out of those categories, I could personally only ever imagine myself wanting a mid or full-size pick-up truck (i.e. an older full-size truck before they got gigantic on me, or a truck sized like the current Dakota), a proper 4x4, and a supercar, but as far as I'm concerned, those are the three least important categories, and no matter which marque you choose, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. For me, it seems like the fewest number of sacrifices would have to be made with BMW.
I have no problem with someone picking BMW. It was the "almost every conceivable segment" that I was arguing. BMW is far from having a full compliment of vehicles. Not like Ford, GM, or Chrysler. Hell, even M-B has a more complete lineup.
But BMW makes cars I actually want to own. Chrysler and GM don't.
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
But BMW makes cars I actually want to own. Chrysler and GM don't.
That's not the point. :banghead: It was the statement that BMW makes cars in almost every conceivable segment.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 10:24:51 AM
Those are European models that are not available here.
One of the stipulations for the poll was that you could choose "cars made at any time by that maker," so I kind of took that to mean cars made any time and anywhere.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 10:24:51 AM
Dodge Magnum
Good call, I forgot about those. I guess they aren't for sale anymore since they're not on the website, but again you can choose cars from any time period and they're recent enough.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 10:24:51 AM
I have no problem with someone picking BMW. It was the "almost every conceivable segment" that I was arguing. BMW is far from having a full compliment of vehicles. Not like Ford, GM, or Chrysler. Hell, even M-B has a more complete lineup.
Fair enough and true enough. At the same time though, while Ford or GM (or Honda, or Toyota, or....) fills more market segments, they just (generally) aren't as satisfying to drive, which, IMO, is just as important in having a full compliment of vehicles as variety.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 31, 2010, 10:42:27 AM
You first, sweetie.
You know I was going to try and explain my comment further, but there's really no point in explaining anything to you.
Do you realize how big a pompous asshole you are, or do you just not care?
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
But BMW makes cars I actually want to own. Chrysler and GM don't.
QuoteHowever, that includes cars made at any time by that maker
So there's never ever been a Chrysler or GM car ever made that appeals to you in some way?
My thought process was, if I'm limited to owning from only one brand, but could choose from ANY timeframe, then I look back and see which brand has the widest variety of vehicles to choose from that could cover ANY conceivable desire I might have from now until I die. And since I like vastly more than just a new sports coupe, the the possibility of having a garage with not just road race cars, but cruisers, street rods, trucks, family cars, economy cars, etc stands more of a chance of happening when an entire history of a manufacture is considered. Ford and GM head that list. Even if I'd never actually have all of them, the fact that they could fit the bill if my tastes or mood changes puts them at the top.
Quote from: 93JC on February 01, 2010, 10:54:43 AM
You know I was going to try and explain my comment further, but there's really no point in explaining anything to you.
Do you realize how big a pompous asshole you are, or do you just not care?
You made a stupid comment, I responded to it. Then you made another stupid comment, and I responded to that. Do you realize how petty and ignorant you are, or do you just not care?
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 10:53:36 AM
That's not the point. :banghead: It was the statement that BMW makes cars in almost every conceivable segment.
I figured it was implied that it was every conceivable segment that he'd want to own. Sure, BMW doesn't make a Yaris competitor, but come on, who cares?
I get what you're saying, I'm just saying that I thought it was implied he was only talking about segments he'd ever want to own.
Quote from: MrH on January 31, 2010, 11:40:38 PM
I think it looks great. Much better in darker colors. It's definitely really wide and low in person.
Surprise, surprise, but I like it too.
Quote from: ChrisV on February 01, 2010, 11:19:29 AM
So there's never ever been a Chrysler or GM car ever made that appeals to you in some way?
My thought process was, if I'm limited to owning from only one brand, but could choose from ANY timeframe, then I look back and see which brand has the widest variety of vehicles to choose from that could cover ANY conceivable desire I might have from now until I die. And since I like vastly more than just a new sports coupe, the the possibility of having a garage with not just road race cars, but cruisers, street rods, trucks, family cars, economy cars, etc stands more of a chance of happening when an entire history of a manufacture is considered. Ford and GM head that list. Even if I'd never actually have all of them, the fact that they could fit the bill if my tastes or mood changes puts them at the top.
You made a stupid comment, I responded to it. Then you made another stupid comment, and I responded to that. Do you realize how petty and ignorant you are, or do you just not care?
Of course there are some, but bare in mind, I'm much younger than you. I don't have the emotional attachment to a lot of older cars like you do. And frankly, newer cars drive better for the most part. If you choose Chrysler, what are you going to daily drive? A sebring? Ew.
I'd never be able to justify having more than a handful of vehicles anyways.
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 11:25:58 AM
Of course there are some, but bare in mind, I'm much younger than you. I don't have the emotional attachment to a lot of older cars like you do. And frankly, newer cars drive better for the most part.
Actually, the worst driving car on the market today is better then most from just 15 years ago.
I guess I'd say Ford. I'd be quite happy with something Ford made in just about any category in any era.
I would go with Mercedes.
BMW is already in too many segments. We don't need the 1 Series Convertible, X6, 5 Series GT, forthcoming 3 Series GT, and X1/X3 (delete one).
Ironic that BMW is seen as 'The Ultimate Driving Machine' yet they don't sell a real sports car any more.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on February 01, 2010, 01:12:52 PM
BMW is already in too many segments. We don't need the 1 Series Convertible, X6, 5 Series GT, forthcoming 3 Series GT, and X1/X3 (delete one).
Ironic that BMW is seen as 'The Ultimate Driving Machine' yet they don't sell a real sports car any more.
What do you call this?
(http://gustomobil.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/new-2010-bmw-z41.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 11:25:58 AM
Of course there are some, but bare in mind, I'm much younger than you. I don't have the emotional attachment to a lot of older cars like you do. And frankly, newer cars drive better for the most part. If you choose Chrysler, what are you going to daily drive? A sebring? Ew.
+1. My first thought when I started thinking about this was "which brand would I be happiest driving every day." The first two immediate thoughts to that were Porsche and BMW. From their I thought about the variety of awesome historical cars that they've produced over the years. Porsche has a ton of incredible cars over the years, but BMW has a lot. Finally, you look at the variety of cars are made and BMW wins out.
As cool as I find old street rods and classic Mustangs, etc, they just aren't cars that I like enough to sacrifice having awesome DDs that I could find at other companies. Personally, I'd rather own BMWs than Fords, from most eras of cars.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on February 01, 2010, 01:12:52 PM
BMW is already in too many segments. We don't need the 1 Series Convertible, X6, 5 Series GT, forthcoming 3 Series GT, and X1/X3 (delete one).
Ironic that BMW is seen as 'The Ultimate Driving Machine' yet they don't sell a real sports car any more.
BMW has always been more about fun to drive, but practical cars more than real sports cars. Think about their most iconic cars over the years have been the 2002 Turbo, E30 M3, E39 M5, 850CSi, E24 6ers, etc.
Besides, when you consider that most of anyone's driving is to get from one place to another, would you really consider a car like an Elise or an F430 to be the Ultimate Driving Machine? Sure they can get around a track pretty quick, but they have some drawbacks when commuting to work in the morning.
I'd say after reading some of the responses here that my mind is finally made up. If I could have a cross section of all the cars made by Ford over all the different continents, not even all the different eras, I could have a pretty sweet garage. Euro Ranger diesel for lugging stuff around, snow days, and offroading; Focus RS for everything else. One of the fastest point-to-point cars on the planet, good looking, and extremely cool.
I think that Ford is the best mix of fun, style, and a wide variety of products.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 01:14:48 PM
What do you call this?
(http://gustomobil.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/new-2010-bmw-z41.jpg)
A GT. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=21185.msg1257879#msg1257879 date=1265059330
A GT. :ohyeah:
Bullshit. That's a sports car. Especially the M version.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=21185.msg1257879#msg1257879 date=1265059330
A GT. :ohyeah:
And so is a Miata.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
Bullshit. That's a sports car. Especially the M version.
...there isn't an M version :confused:
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
...there isn't an M version :confused:
There will be. There was one for the last car. Regardless, this is a sports car.
Please do not let this turn into a fucking Sports Car v. GT thread.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 01, 2010, 01:36:31 PM
Besides, when you consider that most of anyone's driving is to get from one place to another, would you really consider an Elise to be the Ultimate Driving Machine?
Yes.
Being the ultimate "driving machine" has nothing to do with track times or your commute.
Quote from: Raza on February 01, 2010, 02:40:14 PM
Yes.
Being the ultimate "driving machine" has nothing to do with track times or your commute.
This clearly explains why you drive a Jetta as your daily driver :evildude:
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 02:34:58 PM
There will be. There was one for the last car. Regardless, this is a sports car.
Everything I've heard is saying there won't be. We'll see I guess.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
Bullshit. That's a sports car. Especially the M version.
It's a hardtop convertible, which makes it a GT. And I don't believe there will be an M version.
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 02:43:58 PM
This clearly explains why you drive a Jetta as your daily driver :evildude:
Nor do I claim it to be the ultimate driving machine. It is a very good, very involving daily driver.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=21185.msg1257918#msg1257918 date=1265061938
Nor do I claim it to be the ultimate driving machine.
Should have bought a 3-series. :lol:
Quote from: Raza on February 01, 2010, 03:04:33 PM
It's a hardtop convertible, which makes it a GT. And I don't believe there will be an M version.
I want to debate, but I won't.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 03:06:44 PM
Should have bought a 3-series. :lol:
I want to debate, but I won't.
Let's do it, because I can go all day.
And yes, I do consider the MX-5 PRHT to be a GT and the MX-5 to be a sports car.
Well, that's just stupid.
Moving on.
Main Entry: sports car
Function: noun
Date: 1928
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sports%20car
I'll stick with this, thanks!
If I had to drive one marque, it'd be Ford.
They have a bit of everything, including the Ford GT, which is my ultimate dream car.
Win.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
Well, that's just stupid.
Moving on.
It indicates a more comfort-oriented purpose, which is in line with the GT classification (not that all GTs are comfort-oriented).
Quote from: Raza link=topic=21185.msg1256917#msg1256917 date=1264947086
I'd put money on a Boxster or 911 being cheaper to insure than your RX-8.
I don't think so. The 8 is a 4 door car. It's not much more than a MX-5. I was very happy to see how low it was for a brand new car.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 01, 2010, 03:53:32 PM
I don't think so. The 8 is a 4 door car. It's not much more than a MX-5. I was very happy to see how low it was for a brand new car.
Porsches in general are very cheap to insure. The Boxster S was cheaper than my Jetta, and when I was running quotes, it was cheaper than a Civic Si and BMW 3 series as well.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
Bullshit. That's a sports car. Especially the M version.
That's as much of a sports car as the late Thunderbird
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
Well, that's just stupid.
No, it's worse then stupid. It's fucking stupid.
Well this thread has officially gone down the shitter.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 01, 2010, 06:21:10 PM
Well this thread has officially gone down the shitter.
Daewoo
I kinda want an Unimog.
Ford if I'm paying the bill. Porsche if I'm not.
I don't know about you guys, but I would feel terrible driving a Porsche other than a Cayenne in the winter. They're too nice. I could picture a bad weather day, and my 911 getting rear ended by some plebian car because they couldn't stop.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 07:46:41 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I would feel terrible driving a Porsche other than a Cayenne in the winter. They're too nice. I could picture a bad weather day, and my 911 getting rear ended by some plebian car because they couldn't stop.
If you can afford it, what does it matter?
That said, give me a 959 for winter.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 01, 2010, 07:48:11 PM
If you can afford it, what does it matter?
That said, give me a 959 for winter.
Even so, I would still be pretty throttled and angry.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
Even so, I would still be pretty throttled and angry.
I'd be pretty mad if someone did that to my Focus, but they still made a gazillion just like it.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
Even so, I would still be pretty throttled and angry.
If I could afford a $400k Porsche, I would have my indentured servants hand-washing it every day.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 07:46:41 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I would feel terrible driving a Porsche other than a Cayenne in the winter. They're too nice. I could picture a bad weather day, and my 911 getting rear ended by some plebian car because they couldn't stop.
911 Turbo with Blizzaks.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 01, 2010, 07:51:24 PM
If I could afford a $400k Porsche, I would have my indentured servants hand-washing it every day.
You're way too cheap to ever pay that much for a car.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 01, 2010, 08:41:59 PM
You're way too cheap to ever pay that much for a car.
My hypothetical limit for a 993 Turbo S is still somewhere around $130k or so...
I'd probably just opt for a standard $60k Turbo, though...
He'd just fix the exhaust on plasticar and continue driving it below 3000 rpm.
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 08:16:50 AM
Who cares if it's "luxury" or not? Wouldn't you prefer a luxury vehicle if given a choice?
No, I would prefer a sports vehicle if given the choice (oh, look, I have a choice, and I have a sports car).
I believe this ridiculous argument got started because of a misunderstanding about the word "segment." The word for the intended meaning is "size," not "segment." "Segment" refers to the segment of the market, and so depends a great deal on price.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 09:10:01 AM
He said, "almost every conceivable segment". Not having any cars that aren't luxury is not almost every conceivable segment.
:hesaid:
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2010, 11:25:58 AM
Of course there are some, but bare in mind, I'm much younger than you. I don't have the emotional attachment to a lot of older cars like you do. And frankly, newer cars drive better for the most part. If you choose Chrysler, what are you going to daily drive? A sebring? Ew.
I'd never be able to justify having more than a handful of vehicles anyways.
I like older cars, too, and I'm 25.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 01, 2010, 08:47:11 PM
He'd just fix the exhaust on plasticar and continue driving it below 3000 rpm.
Saturns are statistically better race cars than 280ZXs.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 01, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
Saturns are statistically better race cars than 280ZXs.
That's because 280ZX owners don't have to beat a Saturn around a track but THEY KNOW THEY COULD (http://www.jdmorigins.com/2009/03/datsun-280zx-you-know-you-could/)
Quote from: the Teuton on February 01, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
Saturns are statistically better race cars than 280ZXs.
The 280ZX is still very competitive in ITS.
Wouldn't it be cool if you were to buy one car, and just be able to trade it to the dealership and exchange it for a different model?
Like you'd pay $30K for Taurus, but times get hard and you're able to simply trade it for a Fiesta to save gas.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 08:58:35 PM
Wouldn't it be cool if you were to buy one car, and just be able to trade it to the dealership and exchange it for a different model?
Like you'd pay $30K for Taurus, but times get hard and you're able to simply trade it for a Fiesta to save gas.
What if I trade it for a GT?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 01, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
What if I trade it for a GT?
You would save gas... from being wasted in a Taurus.
I think it says a lot about Ford, that the majority of people on here are picking the blue oval.
It just says that it's a big, old company, and it's better than GM. :huh:
Quote from: SVT666 on February 01, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
I think it says a lot about Ford, that the majority of people on here are picking the blue oval.
How other names are on an all-around line up of good vehicles, from sub-compacts to trucks?
Chevy has good trucks and sportsy cars, but the mainstream cars are not great, and the smaller cars are worse.
Dodge has a few good trucks, and that's it. They don't even have Viper anymore.
Nissan isn't bad, until you look at the smaller cars.
Toyota... they don't even build cars anymore.
Nobody else has an actual lineup of trucks that I can think of.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 01, 2010, 07:46:41 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I would feel terrible driving a Porsche other than a Cayenne in the winter. They're too nice. I could picture a bad weather day, and my 911 getting rear ended by some plebian car because they couldn't stop.
911 with snow tires.
Edit: Beat by Bimmer.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 01, 2010, 08:44:56 PM
My hypothetical limit for a 993 Turbo S is still somewhere around $130k or so...
I'd probably just opt for a standard $60k Turbo, though...
God, how I love both of those cars. 993 Turbo S would be awesome, but that's a steep price, and the "plebeian" Turbo has 90% of the goodness for 50% of the price - easy decision for me.
Between Mercedes-Benz and Audi for me, but it's got to be Audi since their cars are looking better and better to me while Mercedes-Benzes just aren't.
Quote from: The Pirate on February 01, 2010, 10:33:59 PM
God, how I love both of those cars. 993 Turbo S would be awesome, but that's a steep price, and the "plebeian" Turbo has 90% of the goodness for 50% of the price - easy decision for me.
Rich people would buy a 997 Turbo. Wealthy people would buy the 993 Turbo S. Sensible people would just get the normal 993 Turbo.
You'd be a sensible chap with a good 993 Turbo. There. Problem solved.
Quote from: The Pirate on February 01, 2010, 10:31:19 PM
911 with snow tires.
Edit: Beat by Bimmer.
How will snow tires help it from someone sliding into ME?
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
How will snow tires help it from someone sliding into ME?
Move somewhere that there is no snow.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
How will snow tires help it from someone sliding into ME?
That could happen to you in any car. You're never going to have anything nice in case someone else breaks it?
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
How will snow tires help it from someone sliding into ME?
They won't. You're playing the semantics game, but I'll bite anyway. With proper tires, you could likely evade the situation, provided you're paying attention. With snow tires, I've made maneuvers that saved my car from being hit. Wouldn't have been possible with all-season tires.
Quote from: The Pirate on February 02, 2010, 09:11:39 AM
They won't. You're playing the semantics game, but I'll bite anyway. With proper tires, you could likely evade the situation, provided you're paying attention. With snow tires, I've made maneuvers that saved my car from being hit. Wouldn't have been possible with all-season tires.
Exactly. People underestimate the importance of good tires. They are the only thing keeping you attached to the road. They are extremely important.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
How will snow tires help it from someone sliding into ME?
The same way that I didn't get rear ended a couple weeks ago. I was paying attention and moved out of the way.
Quote from: Rupert on February 01, 2010, 09:28:00 PM
It just says that it's a big, old company, and it's better than GM. :huh:
Don't forget heritage ;).
I guess we all have different reasons for choosing a favourite manufacturer. In the '60s, when I was still impressionable, Ford, or Ford motors, dominated at pretty much every major racetrack in the world; which is what forged my loyalty towards them.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=21185.msg1258532#msg1258532 date=1265124050
That could happen to you in any car. You're never going to have anything nice in case someone else breaks it?
It happens more in the wintertime, and I'd rather drive something not as nice in the winter.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
It happens more in the wintertime, and I'd rather drive something not as nice in the winter.
Like a Swift?
Fuck no.
Gimme an STI.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
It happens more in the wintertime, and I'd rather drive something not as nice in the winter.
Move to Florida, or Texas. You're black, there's no reason you should live in a snowy climate if you don't have to.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 02, 2010, 12:11:38 PM
Don't forget heritage ;).
I guess we all have different reasons for choosing a favourite manufacturer. In the '60s, when I was still impressionable, Ford, or Ford motors, dominated at pretty much every major racetrack in the world; which is what forged my loyalty towards them.
I said they're an old company.
:lol:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on February 02, 2010, 07:44:38 PM
Move to Florida, or Texas. You're black, there's no reason you should live in a snowy climate if you don't have to.
I like snow.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 08:12:52 PM
I like snow.
Not to be racist but I think you're the first black person I've ever met that likes cold/snow
Quote from: 2o6 on February 02, 2010, 08:12:52 PM
I like snow.
:nutty:
Quote from: SVT_Power on February 02, 2010, 10:39:29 PM
Not to be racist but I think you're the first black person I've ever met that likes cold/snow
Well I'm black and I agree with you 100%! :partyon:
I have a black cousin who pretty much snowboards all year 'round if he can. :huh:
I had a friend from Bermuda in college and i thought she was going to go on a massive killing spree the first time it snowed... although it probably wouldn't have went to far seeing she couldn't walk on ice or stay outside in the cold for more then about 5 min
:tounge:
Quote from: Rupert on February 03, 2010, 01:16:54 AM
I have a black cousin who pretty much snowboards all year 'round if he can. :huh:
No, no, NO!
Ethnicity determines preferences. ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: SVT666 on February 02, 2010, 09:36:18 AM
Exactly. People underestimate the importance of good tires. They are the only thing keeping you attached to the road. They are extremely important.
Actually gravity keeps you attached othe road, tires keep you from sliding all over it.
Sorry, couldn't resist that. :lol: :lol:
Then never underestimate the importance of gravity!
Quote from: mzziaz on February 03, 2010, 06:37:03 AM
No, no, NO!
Ethnicity determines preferences. ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
true story: my coworker is dating a black guy whose brother is a surfer :mask:
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 03, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
true story: my coworker is dating a black guy whose brother is a surfer :mask:
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 03, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
true story: my coworker is dating a black guy whose brother is a surfer :mask:
Pictures or this is BULLSHIT!!!!
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on February 03, 2010, 12:46:09 AM
:nutty: Well I'm black and I agree with you 100%! :partyon:
My boss, who's black, says that if you have a house full of your black friends/co-workers and they won't leave, turn the thermostat down about 5 degrees. Within a few minutes they'll all be saying, "we gotta go 'cause it's cold up in this b..."
;)
Quote from: SVT666 on February 04, 2010, 09:23:11 AM
Pictures or this is BULLSHIT!!!!
lol. I have a hard time believing it myself. I went to HS overrun by surfer dudes, and all eight of the black guys in the school wanted nothing to do with the nonsense.
of the black people on the forums I wonder if any of you guys find this offensive?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Blackface_hajjifirouz_in_nyc.jpg)
not sure if the black lady to the right is happy :tounge:
As a mostly white person, I find this extremely offensive:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uwrfHnrV_9I/SWGdSNb_EDI/AAAAAAAAAA8/vrojEpXUdGY/s400/BlackMime.jpg)
:rage:
I'm surprise nobody picked Mercedes Benz, you get everything from the Unimog to the Mercedes-McLaren SLR, to this
(http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2010/01/mercedes-gp-car.jpg)
Quote from: NomisR on February 04, 2010, 04:24:47 PM
I'm surprise nobody picked Mercedes Benz, you get everything from the Unimog to the Mercedes-McLaren SLR, to this
(http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2010/01/mercedes-gp-car.jpg)
That would be my second choice :huh:, although I'm not overly fond on the Germanic "masculine" design theme.
Wimmer picked M-B.
Quote from: NomisR on February 04, 2010, 04:24:47 PM
I'm surprise nobody picked Mercedes Benz, you get everything from the Unimog to the Mercedes-McLaren SLR, to this
I did. But my vehicles of choice would be these:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Black_G_55_AMG_fr.jpg/800px-Black_G_55_AMG_fr.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/MB_230_SL%2C_Bj._1964%2C_Front_%282009-05-01%29.jpg/800px-MB_230_SL%2C_Bj._1964%2C_Front_%282009-05-01%29.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/MB600_side_view.jpg/800px-MB600_side_view.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on February 04, 2010, 04:36:17 PM
Wimmer picked M-B.
Well, that one's predictable anyways, it's not like there's any way he would pick Lexus or Toyota.
Quote from: Sigma Projects on February 04, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
of the black people on the forums I wonder if any of you guys find this offensive?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Blackface_hajjifirouz_in_nyc.jpg)
not sure if the black lady to the right is happy :tounge:
She's not happy....at all. :lol:
Quote from: ChrisV on February 04, 2010, 11:00:39 AM
My boss, who's black, says that if you have a house full of your black friends/co-workers and they won't leave, turn the thermostat down about 5 degrees. Within a few minutes they'll all be saying, "we gotta go 'cause it's cold up in this b..."
;)
Ain't that the truth.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 04, 2010, 09:23:11 AM
Pictures or this is BULLSHIT!!!!
Next he'll try to make us think he knows some black guys that ski. :lol: :lol:
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on February 04, 2010, 06:12:24 PM
Next he'll try to make us think he knows some black guys that ski. :lol: :lol:
My black cousin snowboards, but that's not quite as white as skiing. :lol:
hey now...to be fair, they do live in a city nicknamed "Surf City USA"
Quote from: Sigma Projects on February 04, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
of the black people on the forums I wonder if any of you guys find this offensive?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Blackface_hajjifirouz_in_nyc.jpg)
not sure if the black lady to the right is happy :tounge:
These are my two roommates from freshman year. I still live with the (actually) black one.
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v45/45/0/12819133/n12819133_31029307_4340.jpg)
(http://sarahsilvermanonline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/sarah-silverman-blackface.jpg)
:lol:
Hey, can you blackies answer why black women always drive in the left hand lane doing 5 over and refuse to yield to a faster car?
Quote from: Raza on February 05, 2010, 11:26:30 AM
Hey, can you blackies answer why black women always drive in the left hand lane doing 5 over and refuse to yield to a faster car?
just sounds like the average SoCal freeway driver to me :huh:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=21185.msg1261152#msg1261152 date=1265394390
Hey, can you blackies answer why black women always drive in the left hand lane doing 5 over and refuse to yield to a faster car?
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 05, 2010, 01:59:02 PM
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
(http://www.ep.tc/problems/seven/thats_racist.gif) :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 05, 2010, 01:59:02 PM
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
I drive 107 miles a day, dude, I notice traffic patterns.
Quote from: Raza on February 05, 2010, 02:16:26 PM
I drive 107 miles a day, dude, I notice traffic patterns.
Still better than Asian women or middle aged asian men who drives 5 mph below the speed limit and refused to move.. damn Ornamentals..
Quote from: NomisR on February 05, 2010, 02:20:26 PM
Still better than Asian women or middle aged asian men who drives 5 mph below the speed limit and refused to move.. damn Ornamentals..
I never see Asian people on my commute, other than young Asian guys driving Acura TLs and G35s.
I have Surfer's "50 Best Surfers of All Time" issue sitting next to me, so let me count how many of them are black...
0. There are some dark skinned Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders, but no "black" ones (as in African/African-American)
Quote from: hotrodalex on February 05, 2010, 04:57:12 PM
I have Surfer's "50 Best Surfers of All Time" issue sitting next to me, so let me count how many of them are black...
0. There are some dark skinned Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders, but no "black" ones (as in African/African-American)
Black people don't like water.. I mean, there's a total of what.. 1 Black Olympic Gold metalist?
Quote from: Raza on February 05, 2010, 11:26:30 AM
Hey, can you blackies answer why black women always drive in the left hand lane doing 5 over and refuse to yield to a faster car?
I think that a woman thing! I see just as many white females (usually in a minivan) holing up the passing lane. Stubborn heffas!
Quote from: NomisR on February 04, 2010, 04:24:47 PM
I'm surprise nobody picked Mercedes Benz, you get everything from the Unimog to the Mercedes-McLaren SLR, to this
(http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2010/01/mercedes-gp-car.jpg)
I'm considering picking MB, but I really dislike their current lineup. (yeah, i know this is about more than just current cars, but still)
A few years ago I really liked MB. The CLK, E-Class, S-Class were awesome, awesome cars. I think that run of coolness ended with the just-finished E-Class, or maybe even the outgoing CLK.
I think the mid to late 90s were probably the peak for MB, if not earlier if we're talking from a quality perspective. Then they started overstyling their cars and going into far too many niche markets.
I picked MB.
BMW