Durango is getting up there in miles and thinking about trading (selling it outright) into somthing bigger. Wife drives the Durango and would be the daily driver of this one since i have a department take home car. We've test drove about 6 diff things looking for pro's/con's of each and remember we've got 2 kids to tote around.
Ram 1500 crew cab
Armada
Toyota Sequoia
GMC 4 door truck
We like them all and they all have things we like/dislike about them but the 0% financing of the Ram is really and I mean REALLY hard to pass up. I've seen you guys talk bad about the Toyota what gives with it?
Those are all well rated vehicles. the Sequoia is best in class overall but IMO its sin is terrible styling, especially interior.
If it were me I'd go minivan all the way; AWD Toyota Sienna.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 08, 2010, 10:19:55 AM
Those are all well rated vehicles. the Sequoia is best in class overall but IMO its sin is terrible styling, especially interior.
If it were me I'd go minivan all the way; AWD Toyota Sienna.
They tow a giant boat, IIRC.
We need real 4x4 where we live and the wife REFRAKKENFUSES to own a mini-van. I actually tried to get her to drive the Town & Country Limited but she wouldn't even look at it. She actually got mad at me when I pushed the subject. Where we are they only plow on weekdays now because of the budget and we can see drifts of a couple feet regularly. The minivan wouldn't do very well plus with the wife having the kids when she goes shopping in that weather I feel much better with her having a reliable heavy 4x4. Appreciate the thoughts on it though Cougs.
Wait for the new "Magnum"? (Durango) Unless you don't want to go another winter?
It looks like it's gonna be on the new Cherokee fram which is just too small. If the new durango was going on the ram frame then we'ld definately look but if it's not we're not interested.
The Armada is really old. I'd probably go with the Ram.
2004 is old? I mean yeah I guess it's probably due for an update at 7 years- I see what you mean but it's still pretty darned comparible.
Quote from: rohan on August 08, 2010, 01:32:55 PM
2004 is old? I mean yeah I guess it's probably due for an update at 7 years- I see what you mean but it's still pretty darned comparible.
I guess if you like it you should get it but the other 3 have been redesigned relatively recently and after seeing the Ram in person I like it. :lol:
Expedition!
Quote from: rohan on August 08, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
It looks like it's gonna be on the new Cherokee fram which is just too small. If the new durango was going on the ram frame then we'ld definately look but if it's not we're not interested.
It's on a lengthened version.
I fell in love with the GMC Acadia I rented. Tons of room, good power, nice interior, and a fantastic cruiser. I highly recommend you give them a look. Also, I'd look at the new Explorer... looks very promising.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 08, 2010, 03:11:31 PM
I fell in love with the GMC Acadia I rented. Tons of room, good power, nice interior, and a fantastic cruiser. I highly recommend you give them a look. Also, I'd look at the new Explorer... looks very promising.
There might be a problem with towing.
The only think I tow is a small trailer for my lawnmower so it wouldn't be a problem. I've looked at the Enclave in passing but they're smaller than the Durango. We're looking for something with more room since Lauren starts kindergarten and will be playing a couple little kid sports- we want the room to haul other kids to and from and so on. I know- mini van but that's a no go. We havent decided to do anything yet we're just thinking about it.
Quote from: rohan on August 08, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
The only think I tow is a small trailer for my lawnmower so it wouldn't be a problem. I've looked at the Enclave in passing but they're smaller than the Durango. We're looking for something with more room since Lauren starts kindergarten and will be playing a couple little kid sports- we want the room to haul other kids to and from and so on. I know- mini van but that's a no go. We havent decided to do anything yet we're just thinking about it.
I thought you had a massive boat?
I have no boat you're thinking of someone else. (hounddog or Minpin) I only get to ride on tony's occasionally.
Quote from: CJ on August 08, 2010, 01:48:40 PM
Expedition!
I just don't like the Fords can't explain why I just don't
Definitely go the crossover route then. More space-efficient.
Quote from: rohan on August 08, 2010, 03:53:31 PM
I have no boat you're thinking of someone else. (hounddog or Minpin) I only get to ride on tony's occasionally.
Does/did Tony have a Durango as well? Maybe I'm thinking of his.
Out of those choices, Sequoia.
Quote from: rohan on August 08, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
It looks like it's gonna be on the new Cherokee fram which is just too small. If the new durango was going on the ram frame then we'ld definately look but if it's not we're not interested.
Durango also gains 7 seats, though.
It seats 12?
:lol:
I was thinking 14.
If I was going full size SUV, I would get a Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon, or a Suburban. They are far and away the best looking SUVs on the market, and they are damn nice trucks too.
(http://images2.auction123.com/cb70ec1c-d886-4fe5-b908-cc177361a0d6/1GNUCCE05AR166747/01.jpg)
(http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/10/30/483153.1-lg.jpg)
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The Tahoe does look nice. The GMC looks like something was poked up its butt.
The Tahoe does look fantastic, and the Suburban even more so.
Getting a full size truck is way overkill for your needs, imo.
Man up, and tell your wife thare is only one person in the family knowledgeable about cars, and it aint her.
Then get her a XC90 or something :lol:
If you're seriously considering the Ram, it sounds to me like the extra space isn't that big of a concern. The Ram is going to have less interior space--specifically, no third row for the soccer team--than any midsize SUV on the market.
Hell, it'll probably have less interior space than a RAV4.
Why the need to size up to something full size pickup?
Quote from: thecarnut on August 08, 2010, 03:56:59 PM
Does/did Tony have a Durango as well? Maybe I'm thinking of his.
Yeah- and they're both pretty similar but his a year ot 2 newer.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 08, 2010, 10:21:20 PM
If I was going full size SUV, I would get a Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon, or a Suburban. They are far and away the best looking SUVs on the market, and they are damn nice trucks too.
Tahoe was actually supposed to be on the list I must have forgotten it. Very nice truck.
Quote from: Tave on August 09, 2010, 12:24:14 PM
If you're seriously considering the Ram, it sounds to me like the extra space isn't that big of a concern. The Ram is going to have less interior space--specifically, no third row for the soccer team--than any midsize SUV on the market.
I don't know if we're seriously considering it but that 0% financing is hard to look the other way on. But you're right it wouldn't do much for space.
Quote from: r0tor on August 09, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
Why the need to size up to something full size pickup?
Quote from: rohan on August 08, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
The only think I tow is a small trailer for my lawnmower so it wouldn't be a problem. I've looked at the Enclave in passing but they're smaller than the Durango. We're looking for something with more room since Lauren starts kindergarten and will be playing a couple little kid sports- we want the room to haul other kids to and from and so on. I know- mini van but that's a no go. We havent decided to do anything yet we're just thinking about it.
Seems like I've seen some of you guys rag pretty harshly on the Toyota truck but recommend it here- am I missing something?
(http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/Dodge%20Magnum%20SPY.jpg)
Maybe it's just me but I can't see where they could've added 7 seats. :lol:
That is pretty good looking though but I wonder why they won't put it on the ram platform? I looked at a new jeep and it just doesn't look any much bigger than a Ford Edge.
So you need to upside because you may need to transport the entire soccer team a few times a year? Do the other families not have the ability to drive their own kids?
Do you have 5 spare bedrooms in your house in case the soccer team might want to sleep over?
My neighbor's kid is a couple years older and he says they take turns driving them around. I'm thinking it's gonna be the same but no that's not the only reason the Durango is a bit small for a family when you drive it long distances having the extra width and space would be nice. Plus like yesterday I went and got a new landscaping tree and it wasn't very tall but reached all teh way to the windshield and was all bent over. More room to haul things would be very handy since I do alot of the work around the house myself - which is kind of why I was thinking pick up truck. Plus- we just want a little bit bigger truck.
Quote from: r0tor on August 09, 2010, 01:35:45 PM
So you need to upside because you may need to transport the entire soccer team a few times a year? Do the other families not have the ability to drive their own kids?
Do you have 5 spare bedrooms in your house in case the soccer team might want to sleep over?
I have 2 spares now and when I finish the basement I'll have 4 plus an office. :lol:
I played soccer for 10 years and I don't think I ever needed to be driven to a practice..... If you need to take a team once a month, take 2 cars that day
Ford Flex.
Quote from: r0tor on August 09, 2010, 01:51:43 PM
I played soccer for 10 years and I don't think I ever needed to be driven to a practice..... If you need to take a team once a month, take 2 cars that day
I'm not very interested in your opinions on how we should live our lives or being judged as to what size vehicle we need in your estimation or whether or not we should be hauling our kids' classmates around- I'm interested in your opinions on the different large vehicles out there.
The opinion is all the large vehicles you mentioned suck compared to decent suv like the new cherokee... Which would also fulfill 98% of the size you need
I have enough coworkers who bitch about being stick with a full size trick and suv because of a large boat our camper they have and the 90% of the time they are not hauling they live with shitty mileage, ride, and being a bitch in parking lots
he has the department takehome car, and it wont' do truck duties. So instead of buying a small car (that won't necessarily work for him and another car to do truck duties, he wants one decent truck that can do both. Perfectly logical and acceptable, so that he doens't have payments/registration/insurance on two vehicles.
Uh no, its a daily driver for the wifey...
Quote from: rohan on August 09, 2010, 01:34:10 PM
Maybe it's just me but I can't see where they could've added 7 seats. :lol:
That is pretty good looking though but I wonder why they won't put it on the ram platform? I looked at a new jeep and it just doesn't look any much bigger than a Ford Edge.
The new Durango is on an extended wheelbase version of the platform. I'm guessing the Ram platform doesn't drive as well and wouldn't offer much more utility.
Quote from: ChrisV on August 09, 2010, 02:51:01 PM
he has the department takehome car, and it wont' do truck duties. So instead of buying a small car (that won't necessarily work for him and another car to do truck duties, he wants one decent truck that can do both. Perfectly logical and acceptable, so that he doens't have payments/registration/insurance on two vehicles.
Quote from: r0tor on August 09, 2010, 02:57:27 PM
Uh no, its a daily driver for the wifey...
You're both right. And Rotor sorry I got so snappy- having a bit of a long day and snapped at you. Sorry. I appreciate your input.
I think the Durango is a little too small for the family and would like more room. When we get in my step-daughter's legs almost hit the front seat because of the car seat so my wife has to move her seat up and leaves only about 2 inches between her knee and the dash and that makes me real nervous. And it's could stand to be wider too. It would just be nice to have more room- and if we buy we are buying bigger not smaller and teh new durango will definately be smaller I think looking at the new Cherokee. besides like I said we're just considering and I thought this would be a good place to get some thoughts on models. And why do you think they suck? Seriously I would like to know. And I only pay for gas in one car going to work so I really don't care how much it uses as long as it's in the same ballpark as the Durango I have now.
Quote from: r0tor on August 09, 2010, 02:57:27 PM
Uh no, its a daily driver for the wifey...
MY wife's daily driver is a Ford Explorer, but it double duties as the family car which we also take camping, on holidays, skiing, etc. We don't need 3 rows of seats 85% of the time, but for that 15% of the time we do, it's nice not to have to take 2 cars everywhere. For the next family car we get I really want to get a Yukon or Chevy Tahoe. If everyone only bought what we need and not what we want, then there would only be a five cars on the market.
Quote from: MrH on August 09, 2010, 01:53:12 PM
Ford Flex.
Can't believe I didn't think of that. I'm almost 6ft and I had ample room in the third row. It's a hugely comfortable vehicle.
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Quote from: 68_427 on August 09, 2010, 03:44:36 PM
Can't believe I didn't think of that. I'm almost 6ft and I had ample room in the third row. It's a hugely comfortable vehicle.
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That's actually nice looking inside looks really well thought out- Too bad it looks like this outside
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I don't know what it is about Ford but I just don't like or even get their styling. :huh:
Quote from: 68_427 on August 09, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
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The more I look at this the more I like it. I'm curious to see if it's bigger than what we've got or smaller like the Cherokee.
Quote from: rohan on August 09, 2010, 03:55:54 PM
The more I look at this the more I like it. I'm curious to see if it's bigger than what we've got or smaller like the Cherokee.
It's basically a 7 seat Grand Cherokee.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 09, 2010, 04:03:14 PM
It's basically a 7 seat Grand Cherokee.
But bigger than a Grand Cherokee. It's not like the just shoved two tiny seats in the back.
Quote from: mzziaz on August 09, 2010, 03:37:15 AM
Getting a full size truck is way overkill for your needs, imo.
Man up, and tell your wife thare is only one person in the family knowledgeable about cars, and it aint her.
Then get her a XC90 or something :lol:
That's not a bad idea.
Quote from: rohan on August 09, 2010, 01:30:09 PM
Seems like I've seen some of you guys rag pretty harshly on the Toyota truck but recommend it here- am I missing something?
When it came out it was best in class, with its sole sin being that it offended many a domestic fanboy.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 09, 2010, 04:36:03 PM
But bigger than a Grand Cherokee. It's not like the just shoved two tiny seats in the back.
I didn't mean for it so sound like that. I meant that it's a Grand Cherokee that they extended and now seats 7.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 09, 2010, 07:18:25 PM
I didn't mean for it so sound like that. I meant that it's a Grand Cherokee that they extended and now seats 7.
I had a feeling that's what you meant, but I also had a feeling it might confuse people.
I am not really understanding why a Durango isn't big enough for a family of four. If you want something bigger then so be it, but my family of four did just fine with the biggest car we ever had being a 1st generation Durango (when my brother and I were the age of your kids we had a 626 sedan).
Quote from: r0tor on August 09, 2010, 02:57:27 PM
Uh no, its a daily driver for the wifey...
yes. AND a truck. That's the point. ONE vehicle to do both jobs.
Quote from: TBR on August 09, 2010, 08:41:44 PM
I am not really understanding why a Durango isn't big enough for a family of four. If you want something bigger then so be it, but my family of four did just fine with the biggest car we ever had being a 1st generation Durango (when my brother and I were the age of your kids we had a 626 sedan).
yeah, and we walked to school in the snow, uphill, both ways, with no shoes,
and we liked it.And our ancestors did just fine living in dirt caves. So who needs an air conditioned house with running water, right?
I honestly didn't know there were things out there bigger than the current Durango.
If you're looking at pickups, have you considered my favorite? The Nissan Frontier Crew Cab?
Quote from: rohan on August 09, 2010, 03:53:56 PM
That's actually nice looking inside looks really well thought out- Too bad it looks like this outside
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(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/rohowssgt/flex231.jpg)
I don't know what it is about Ford but I just don't like or even get their styling. :huh:
That looks fantastic.
After driving the Flex, getting past the looks was a piece of cake. I liked the looks to begin with, but my wife never liked it. She didn't care after driving it. The Explorer just fit our needs better though.
Quote from: ChrisV on August 10, 2010, 05:46:59 AM
yeah, and we walked to school in the snow, uphill, both ways, with no shoes, and we liked it.
And our ancestors did just fine living in dirt caves. So who needs an air conditioned house with running water, right?
You really are insufferable. My point is clear. If he wants a big truck then that's his prerogative. I don't have a problem with it. Whatever he buys is sure to get better gas mileage than that 1st gen Durango. I am just telling him that the extra space probably won't be as useful as he thinks it is.
Kia Sorento V6 AWD: Third Row. Tow 3500 lbs. 25 mpg.
(http://www.thetorquereport.com/2010_kia_sorento_official.jpg)
(http://gallery.carreview.com/data/car/741/medium/2011_kia_sorento_15.JPG)
(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/all-other-vehicles/23101d1260411046-2011-kia-sorento-take-look-10-kia-sorento-05.jpg)
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And much smaller than a Durango. It's closer to the size of a RAV4.
Quote from: Raza on August 10, 2010, 07:05:08 AM
I honestly didn't know there were things out there bigger than the current Durango.
If you're looking at pickups, have you considered my favorite? The Nissan Frontier Crew Cab?
That is incredibly small. I'll be taking a 4 hour trip in the back seat of one next week. They are not comfortable at all.
If it were me, given the constraints that the wifey won't do a minivan, and that fairly stout 4WD ability and lots of space is required, my vote goes to the Suburban.
Suburban is my vote as well if you don't like the Flex.
Even though you don't like the looks I think you and your wife should at least check one out.
(http://www.dubaichronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2009-ford-flex.jpg)
id you get it all black...
(http://image.trucktrend.com/f/auto-shows/sema-2008-well-we-made-it-the-motor-trend-flex/11045453+cr1+re0+ar1/motor-trend-ford-flex-rear-view.jpg)
Also the Ecoboost version kicks ass.
(http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2009/february-2009/FEB09-2009-FORD-FLEX-01.jpg)
IMO the Flex seems like the best option for his needs but he doesn't like Fords. :huh:
Quote from: thecarnut on August 10, 2010, 02:35:36 PM
IMO the Flex seems like the best option for his needs but he doesn't like Fords. :huh:
Well... he should try to get over it.
The Flex is one of those cars that gets totally set off by custom rimz
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I saw one today with black wheels with polished lip. Looked really sharp.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 10, 2010, 02:38:28 PM
Well... he should try to get over it.
I stopped and looked at one on the way home todya and I like the inside but a. it's not a 4x4 and b. it's just not very good looking. I like the Tahoe and the Toyota much more. But besides the pickups I really don't know if you can call full time 4 wheel drive 4x4 or if it's just a older name for all wheel drive.
Quote from: TBR on August 10, 2010, 09:35:49 AM
You really are insufferable. My point is clear. If he wants a big truck then that's his prerogative. I don't have a problem with it. Whatever he buys is sure to get better gas mileage than that 1st gen Durango. I am just telling him that the extra space probably won't be as useful as he thinks it is.
Says the guy with no little kids including the porta potty and stoller we have to take if we intend to go anywhere that's more than 1/2 hour away and or where we walk for a long time. And if we're going for several days it would be great to have the extra room for suitcases- in case you don't know women way overpack for their kids. We like to take trips here and there up north or to Chicago or Detroit and so on- on top of the hauling classmates thing which might or might not be issue. To top it off the wife likes the bigger trucks which was why she bought the Durango when it was just her right before we got married.
My family of four fit our fuck-ton of camping gear and ourselves into the back of a '88 Taurus until I was in my teens. :huh: ;)
I think you want a 'Burban, rohan.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=22720.msg1375969#msg1375969 date=1281445586
I love that truck.
Truck?
Quote from: Rupert on August 10, 2010, 10:32:03 PM
My family of four fit our fuck-ton of camping gear and ourselves into the back of a '88 Taurus until I was in my teens. :huh: ;)
I think you want a 'Burban, rohan.
But how comfy were you? And for some reason it seems like you said it was a wagon at some point or another- I'm prob wrong but that's what i remember.
Wow, uh, good memory, stalker. ;)
Yeah, it was a wagon, but that's still smaller than even a gen 1 Durango. Of course, no one was particularly comfy, but then, that's kind of the point of the family vacation, isn't it?
Quote from: rohan on August 10, 2010, 09:55:44 PM
Says the guy with no little kids including the porta potty and stoller we have to take if we intend to go anywhere that's more than 1/2 hour away and or where we walk for a long time. And if we're going for several days it would be great to have the extra room for suitcases- in case you don't know women way overpack for their kids. We like to take trips here and there up north or to Chicago or Detroit and so on- on top of the hauling classmates thing which might or might not be issue. To top it off the wife likes the bigger trucks which was why she bought the Durango when it was just her right before we got married.
I was a child once, not too long ago either. As I already noted, the biggest vehicle we ever had was a 1st generation Durango. It had plenty of cargo room for any trips we took (and all of our vacations were road trips), and on the rare occasion more than one friend was hauled around the 3rd row was plenty big enough. I can't imagine why anyone with two children would need more space, short of some special circumstances (which might include how we frequently took trips with a fullsize dog crate (plus food and water for the dog) in the back), but I don't really care as long as you don't respond to me in a condescending way since I am trying to help by offering a perspective different from your own.
Quote from: TBR on August 10, 2010, 11:04:41 PM
I was a child once, not too long ago either. As I already noted, the biggest vehicle we ever had was a 1st generation Durango. It had plenty of cargo room for any trips we took (and all of our vacations were road trips), and on the rare occasion more than one friend was hauled around the 3rd row was plenty big enough. I can't imagine why anyone with two children would need more space, short of some special circumstances (which might include how we frequently took trips with a fullsize dog crate (plus food and water for the dog) in the back), but I don't really care as long as you don't respond to me in a condescending way since I am trying to help by offering a perspective different from your own.
I have 2 kids. The double stroller we have takes up most of the cargo area in our Explorer. Short of throwing all the luggage on the roof, there's not much room left for anything more then a single medium suitcase. If you use the 3rd row, there's room a couple backpacks and that's it. It's fine now that we don't have the stroller to haul around because my son won't stay in it anymore anyway, but I could have done with a Tahoe if I had had the money to spend on one.
TBR, how much older/younger are your siblings? I think in rohan and SVT's case, they have kids who are only 1-2 years apart, which means a lot more shit to carry along.
My brother and I are 7 years apart, and the older you get the less stuff you need, so at any time, my parents only had to take 1 set of everything. 1 stroller, one bag full of diapers, etc. That's why we were able to grow up in relatively smaller cars. I grew up in an '86 Corolla and an '83 Mazda GLC and later a '93 Caravan, and my brother grew up in the Caravan and Accord.
Avalanche.
Yeah, the Flex is a station wagon, without low-range 4WD. If the wifey doesn't like minivans can't imagine she'd like the Flex.
A few weekends ago I drove around a new Suburban. It's not perfect - the leather feels like a rubber football, why GM insists on differing textures and finishes (gloss vs. matte) on the same dashboard I haven't a clue, and she could use an additional 50 hp or so, but it gets the job done.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 11, 2010, 12:52:19 AM
I have 2 kids. The double stroller we have takes up most of the cargo area in our Explorer. Short of throwing all the luggage on the roof, there's not much room left for anything more then a single medium suitcase. If you use the 3rd row, there's room a couple backpacks and that's it. It's fine now that we don't have the stroller to haul around because my son won't stay in it anymore anyway, but I could have done with a Tahoe if I had had the money to spend on one.
You have more third row and behind-third-row space than the Tahoe -- 17 vs. 13 cubic feet -- and your third row is more comfortable and folds flat. The Tahoe et al may be a nice vehicle, but it's lousy at one of the key things a jumbo ute is supposed to offer: lots of space.
(http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/CadillacEscalade/Images2007/Hatch.jpg)
(http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/FordExplorer/Images2006/Hatch.jpg)
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Just be done with it and get this. You know the Suburban is too small for your needs, and you'll be back here complaining how it's too small.
ChrisV will end up agreeing and you'll trade in on a bus, or something.
I'm skeptical about the Jeep GC. I don't have any seat time in the new one, but my roommate has newer WK, and while I think it's a nice car, in terms of interior space and ergonomics it's an absolute nightmare, and feels like it has less space than a compact SUV.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on August 11, 2010, 08:11:43 AM
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Just be done with it and get this. You know the Suburban is too small for your needs, and you'll be back here complaining how it's too small.
ChrisV will end up agreeing and you'll trade in on a bus, or something.
I think that will be my next car (/monster truck)
What about the Jeep Commander? Do they even still make those? 3 rows, larger than a Durango, etc. etc.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 11, 2010, 11:12:06 AM
What about the Jeep Commander? Do they even still make those? 3 rows, larger than a Durango, etc. etc.
It's a POS. I drove two of them before we bought the Explorer. One was a V6 and the other was a V8. Not a good truck at all.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=22720.msg1376654#msg1376654 date=1281545312
Crossover?
Close enough...
We're gonna take another look at the Toyota which is the one the wife seems to prefer I think and I think she's getting closer to buying something.
A closer look at the Sequoia? ew. That thing is ugly inside and out.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 11, 2010, 12:55:37 PM
A closer look at the Sequoia? ew. That thing is ugly inside and out.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 10, 2010, 02:38:28 PM
Well... he should try to get over it.
I see your advice only applies to other people. :nono: :lol:
Quote from: SVT666 on August 11, 2010, 11:13:23 AM
It's a POS the best looking truck since the G class. I drove two of them before we bought the Explorer. One was a V6 and the other was a V8. Not a good truck at all Both were equally awesome I'm a fool for not buying them, and I consider seppuku nightly.
:lol:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=22720.msg1379758#msg1379758 date=1281978493
If the Commander had the Porsche shield on the front it wouldn't matter if there was catastrophic engine failure every 500 miles, I would buy forgive it and I would make love to it every night.
:lol:
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 11, 2010, 11:12:06 AM
What about the Jeep Commander? Do they even still make those? 3 rows, larger than a Durango, etc. etc.
A commander with the hemi or 300+ hp 4.7 is a good alternative, especially with the QDII drive system, which is better by far than anything else in the class.
The commander is smaller than a sequoia, but on par with the exploder/4runner/pahtfinder midsizers and each has better dimensions at different places but all are about the same.
One gives up a bit of room for the stadium seating, but lets face it the 3rd row for midsizers are for kids and for short distances (soccer practice, B-day parties). Most kids seem to love the stadium seating.
Since the exploder, 4 runner and all but the pathfinder only offer weak engines, it is worth checking out commander. I absolutely love mine and after driving the 4runner (didn't like the seating position), the explorer seemed to try to be car-like while not offering the capability advantages of a BOF and the engines were weak-sauce, the pathfinder was too ugly but a nice engine.
The Commander uni-frame also seemed more tight than the BOFs.
I went and drove a couple Tundras the other day. (Yes: monkey see, monkey do)
Then for fun I drove a Sequoia.
Boy, is that thing big and powerful. 0-60 in something like 6.6 seconds.
At 6080 pounds. :confused:
Quote from: rohan on August 09, 2010, 01:38:30 PM
My neighbor's kid is a couple years older and he says they take turns driving them around. I'm thinking it's gonna be the same but no that's not the only reason the Durango is a bit small for a family when you drive it long distances having the extra width and space would be nice. Plus like yesterday I went and got a new landscaping tree and it wasn't very tall but reached all teh way to the windshield and was all bent over. More room to haul things would be very handy since I do alot of the work around the house myself - which is kind of why I was thinking pick up truck. Plus- we just want a little bit bigger truck.
LOLS
Pay someone to bend the fenders out so it doesn't look so "efficient", put a 3" lift on it, and you'd have more space inside than you could ever imagine.
Odyssey or Sienna. Both in AWD.
I understand exactly what you're saying about "can't do a minivan" but that is so utterly irrational it hurts. She wants everything a minivan is but the
image.
(Go sit in a pimped out one with the 2nd row recliners and maybe influence her. :lol:)
He needs 4x4 because of where he lives, very rural area where they do not plow on weekends as is the case for most of Michigan, not because of image. If he or his wife get called into work for an emergency they need the abilities of a 4x4 in bad weather.
As for it being irrational: his money.
:huh:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 06, 2011, 01:26:59 PM
LOLS
Pay someone to bend the fenders out so it doesn't look so "efficient", put a 3" lift on it, and you'd have more space inside than you could ever imagine.
Odyssey or Sienna. Both in AWD.
I understand exactly what you're saying about "can't do a minivan" but that is so utterly irrational it hurts. She wants everything a minivan is but the image.
(Go sit in a pimped out one with the 2nd row recliners and maybe influence her. :lol:)
Only the Sienna offers AWD.
Haven't sifted through all 4 pages yet, but the big advantage of the SUV is that you have dry storage for the various kid related items that need to be in the vehicle, and a 3rd row for hauling additional kids (friends, carpool, whatever).
Truck bed is certainly handy, but with your criteria, I'd be looking at SUVs (and a trailer) for family duty. I'll second Hemi's suggestion of the Tahoe, and Sequioa (per your original contenders) would be second.
Come on, dude. Be a man. Be a real f_____g man.
Get a Ford F-650. :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 06, 2011, 06:09:37 PM
Come on, dude. Be a man. Be a real f_____g man.
Get a Ford F-650. :lol:
Shut the fuck up. Seriously.
(http://www.2010chevysuburban.net/suburban.jpg)
Quote from: CJ on May 06, 2011, 07:34:53 PM
Shut the fuck up. Seriously.
No more Volvo pictures for you. :devil:
Quote from: hounddog on May 06, 2011, 02:17:44 PM
He needs 4x4 because of where he lives, very rural area where they do not plow on weekends as is the case for most of Michigan, not because of image. If he or his wife get called into work for an emergency they need the abilities of a 4x4 in bad weather.
As for it being irrational: his money.
:huh:
Irrational= not even looking at an option before dismissing it. Crazy women. ;)
AWD would get someone through the majority of winters almost anywheres. Yours truly grew up in Wyoming, not far at all from Park City, UT. Lotz of snowz.
(AWD Sienna with a slight lift would be rockin'. :lol: )
Quote from: GoCougs on August 08, 2010, 10:19:55 AM
Those are all well rated vehicles. the Sequoia is best in class overall but IMO its sin is terrible styling, especially interior.
If it were me I'd go minivan all the way; AWD Toyota Sienna.
the sequoia is a beast! of mpg and price are not factors, i'd go for this favorite of mine. i like "understated" luxury.
btw, the 2011 durango is F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C! the srt-8 is due out in the fall, along with 6.4 liter srt-8 versions of the jeep gc, chrysler 300, dodge charger and a rumored chrysler t&c srt-8... something i doubt, but chrysler has really delivered this past year. there is speculation of srt-6 editions, with modified for speed pentastar v6 chrysler's, jeep's, dodge's and maybe even ram's (i.e., dakota). who knows :huh:?!
Tundras are by far the most obnoxious cars on the road.
Quote from: rohan on August 11, 2010, 12:50:50 PM
We're gonna take another look at the Toyota which is the one the wife seems to prefer I think and I think she's getting closer to buying something.
I'm not a fan of the current Toyota National Forest mostly because I despise the dash styling and layout on it (and the newer Tundra), but if that's what she likes, it seemed like a nice truck otherwise. I've been brought back into the Chevy Suburban fold though- I loved that Tahoe and with the number of passengers and luggage I was hauling a couple days that week the extra cargo space of the Suburban would have been perfect, the Tahoe has very little usable room with the 3rd row seat up. Handled and accelerated better than expected, and got better mileage than I'd have guessed too. No way for me to rationalize one, but if I were in the land yacht market, I'd be hard pressed to pick something else. So my suggestion is Suburban- it won't accelerate like the Sequoia most likely, but it's a bit roomier in the back and gets better mileage and I have a suspicion you'll be able to get a similarly equipped one for about the same price if not a little less- Sequoias get expensive fast.
"Sequoias get expensive fast."
...even the base price is steep (i believe), but a really great product.
Quote from: Atomic on May 08, 2011, 01:52:14 PM
"Sequoias get expensive fast."
...even the base price is steep (i believe), but a really great product.
Well, they're all expensive to be honest, but the Sequoia is just a little more expensive than most. I'm sure it's a fine truck, I just don't think I'd want to pay more for it than I would for a similarly equipped Suburban unless I really needed that 5.7L engine.
Quote from: thewizard16 on May 07, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
I'm not a fan of the current Toyota National Forest mostly because I despise the dash styling and layout on it (and the newer Tundra), but if that's what she likes, it seemed like a nice truck otherwise. I've been brought back into the Chevy Suburban fold though- I loved that Tahoe and with the number of passengers and luggage I was hauling a couple days that week the extra cargo space of the Suburban would have been perfect, the Tahoe has very little usable room with the 3rd row seat up. Handled and accelerated better than expected, and got better mileage than I'd have guessed too. No way for me to rationalize one, but if I were in the land yacht market, I'd be hard pressed to pick something else. So my suggestion is Suburban- it won't accelerate like the Sequoia most likely, but it's a bit roomier in the back and gets better mileage and I have a suspicion you'll be able to get a similarly equipped one for about the same price if not a little less- Sequoias get expensive fast.
You can get a Yukon is available with the 6.2L I think, which has over 400hp.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 08, 2011, 03:39:44 PM
You can get a Yukon is available with the 6.2L I think, which has over 400hp.
Yeah, you can get the Yukon XL Denali with the 403hp 6.2L if you need an excessive amount of power, but I don't love the Yukon's styling and the Suburban is a little cheaper comparably equipped.
Oh only the Denali? I thought it became an option across the board after the Silverado got it.
The Tahoe did have the 6.2L, rated at 395 hp, available in top trim. Looking at Chevy's website looks like that is no longer the case.
Um, this thread is like...old? Whatever happened to the replacement? Did it not happen?
If not, I vote Durango.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 08, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
The Tahoe did have the 6.2L, rated at 395 hp, available in top trim. Looking at Chevy's website looks like that is no longer the case.
That's why I second guessed myself.
Quote from: Raza on May 07, 2011, 07:52:02 PM
Tundras are by far the most obnoxious cars on the road.
Well, you're half right.
(http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/ford/f-350superduty/2011/ft/2011_ford_f-350superduty_actf34_ft_4_717.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on May 08, 2011, 05:28:03 PM
Oh only the Denali? I thought it became an option across the board after the Silverado got it.
Most reviewers wrote about how underpowered that engine felt.
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on May 09, 2011, 08:46:35 AM
Um, this thread is like...old? Whatever happened to the replacement? Did it not happen?
If not, I vote Durango.
They were waiting on incentives for the Sequoia, I believe.
I, on the other hand, am nearing a purchase of a Tundra.
Quote from: hounddog on May 12, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
Most reviewers wrote about how underpowered that engine felt. They were waiting on incentives for the Sequoia, I believe.
I, on the other hand, am nearing a purchase of a Tundra.
CrewMax?
Or you could tell Toyoder to make one of these for you.
(http://blogs.automobilemag.com/files/2008/05/9651629-623x416.jpg)
I have no response to that. [confused]
Yes, crew cab for me, please.
Has Toyota fixed that truck bed shimmy issue they've been having trouble with?
Quote from: hounddog on May 12, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
I have no response to that. [confused]
Yes, crew cab for me, please.
Too bad the bed is so short on the Mega Cab/Crew Max.
Also if you can get the TRD pack in a dark color, it actually looks pretty good.
(http://i.imgur.com/00Fz2.jpg)
The beds on all those larger size cabs are shorter, but, to be fair, if a guy is like me and is not hauling hay or straw on the farm, or hauling construction equipment it is little more than occasionally inconvenient.
I am a silver guy. Only shows dirt when it gets to the level of absolutly filthy,and pusually is easier to give a great shine than most other colors with less work.
Plus, resale is higher on silver cars, well, not resale per se but they are quicker to sell.
I'm not sure what's going on here, but I think I'd go Silverado or Sierra crew cab with 6.2L V8 if I had to buy a 1/2-ton. The Tundra's 5.7L is a bit better motor but the styling in and out of the Tundra is horrifically wrong, especially the dash and gauges.
GM overall did a better styling job (not just beyond the Tundra but all full-size trucks). Most all trucks are caricatures with the absolute worst being the LOLz F-Super Duty. You gotta be kidding my with that grill and interior. :facepalm:
With the size of your kids Dog, I would go with the Ram Mega Cab.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 13, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
With the size of your kids Dog, I would go with the Ram Mega Cab.
Why? (I mean I would too) The Tundra Crew Max has the same size back seat.
Have you tried the F-150 Ecoboost? I think in top spec the Ford actually has the most comfortable/nicest interior.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 13, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Why? (I mean I would too) The Tundra Crew Max has the same size back seat.
The Ram Mega Cab has the most legroom of any production vehicle on the market...period. More than a Maybach or even a LWB Rolls.
But you need an HD version to get it. It's not as if any current half-ton crew cab has anything short of a huge rear seat as it is.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 14, 2011, 09:26:25 AM
The Ram Mega Cab has the most legroom of any production vehicle on the market...period. More than a Maybach or even a LWB Rolls.
Unless his kids are over 6'3" they shouldn't care about those uber legroom trucks anyways.
The Crewmax is the best you can get in a half ton leg room wise, but I've never sat in one so I can't say how comfortable the seats are. (Ford has the best seats, as far as top trim level goes)
(http://image.trucktrend.com/f/14747321/163_0902_17z%2B2010_toyota_Tundra_CrewMax_Platinum_Pkg%2Binterior_view.jpg)
(http://image.automotive.com/f/auto-shows/2007-toyota-tundra-crewmax-ready-to-rumble/1067586+w630+cr1+re0+ar1/2007-toyota-tundra-crew-max-interior-seatsjpg.jpg)
The Megacab however does offer quite a bit of room behind the rear seats to keep stuff, but I'm not sure how easy you could access it when the seat is being used.
Also about the Mega Cab having the most rear legroom...
LWB Rolls you state has less legroom than a Mega Cab:
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2005_rolls_royce_phantom_lwb_100008829_l.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on May 14, 2011, 11:59:57 AM
Also about the Mega Cab having the most rear legroom...
LWB Rolls you state has less legroom than a Mega Cab:
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2005_rolls_royce_phantom_lwb_100008829_l.jpg)
That's bigger than my living room.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 13, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
With the size of your kids Dog, I would go with the Ram Mega Cab.
I looked at them. To be honest, there is not enough extra room to justify an additional $4,000 for just the larger cab. If I were to buy a Dodge, I would only buy diesel and adding in the MegaCab would add up to $12,000 in just engine and cab upgrades.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 14, 2011, 11:55:31 AM
Unless his kids are over 6'3" they shouldn't care about those uber legroom trucks anyways.
The Crewmax is the best you can get in a half ton leg room wise, but I've never sat in one so I can't say how comfortable the seats are. (Ford has the best seats, as far as top trim level goes)
(http://image.trucktrend.com/f/14747321/163_0902_17z%2B2010_toyota_Tundra_CrewMax_Platinum_Pkg%2Binterior_view.jpg)
(http://image.automotive.com/f/auto-shows/2007-toyota-tundra-crewmax-ready-to-rumble/1067586+w630+cr1+re0+ar1/2007-toyota-tundra-crew-max-interior-seatsjpg.jpg)
The Megacab however does offer quite a bit of room behind the rear seats to keep stuff, but I'm not sure how easy you could access it when the seat is being used.
I am pretty sure both of the photos you posted are of the Toyota CrewMax, unless that was you intention.
And, my oldest son is over 6'3 at 15 years old. I honestly believe both he and his brother will top over 6'5. :huh: Leg room is already at a premium in our Durango. And, truth be told, I really like the Sequoia as well, but, I want more towing capacity.
Yeah my point was posting the Crewmax. Given their height a normal Ram/F150 crew cab would do for anything but long road trips, but they will appreciate the Crewmax's increased leg room.
Have you thought about one'o'these? :lol:
(http://www.autoweb.com/images/2007/International/MXT/400/07_International_MXT_5.jpg)
One of my brother's LaX teammate's dad daily drives one.
Look at a new F150. Seriously. The interior is much better than that of the Tundra and it's a very solid truck. With the Ecoboost V6, it also has the highest towing ability of the segment.
Quote from: CJ on May 15, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Look at a new F150. Seriously. The interior is much better than that of the Tundra and it's a very solid truck. With the Ecoboost V6, it also has the highest towing ability of the segment.
I looked, I left.
~ Built in River Rouge, MI by the UAW. I will never buy another UAW vehicle again.
~ Unproven and complex engine. It is probably very good, but I need one that IS good. Ya know?
~ It just does not have the second row leg room the Tundra has.
~ I can get the Tundra without a console leaving all the floor space open in the front area.
~ I question the ability of a V6 with 355 to 365 horsepower and 350 pound-feet of torque to have higher towing capacity than a V8 with 381 horsepower and 405 pound-feet of torque. Or, at least be able to pull weights better in the real world as more power almost universally means better real world performance.
In short- no thanks to the F-150.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 15, 2011, 10:05:20 AM
Yeah my point was posting the Crewmax. Given their height a normal Ram/F150 crew cab would do for anything but long road trips, but they will appreciate the Crewmax's increased leg room.
Have you thought about one'o'these? :lol:
(http://www.autoweb.com/images/2007/International/MXT/400/07_International_MXT_5.jpg)
One of my brother's LaX teammate's dad daily drives one.
:lol:
No.
My biggest problem with Dodge and Ford is the UAW. GM is just completely out of the question.
I have to admit, I do love the Cummins and its 800 pound-feet of torque and the fact that I could get one made by someone other than the UAW, though.
Quote from: hounddog on May 15, 2011, 03:14:48 PM
I looked, I left.
~ Built in River Rouge, MI by the UAW. I will never buy another UAW vehicle again.
~ Unproven and complex engine. It is probably very good, but I need one that IS good. Ya know?
~ It just does not have the second row leg room the Tundra has.
~ I can get the Tundra without a console leaving all the floor space open in the front area.
~ I question the ability of a V6 with 355 to 365 horsepower and 350 pound-feet of torque to have higher towing capacity than a V8 with 381 horsepower and 405 pound-feet of torque. Or, at least be able to pull weights better in the real world as more power almost universally means better real world performance.
In short- no thanks to the F-150.
The EcoBoost engine in the F150 makes 420 lb. ft. of torque at 2500 rpm. The F150's 5.0L V8 and 6.2L V8 make 380 lb. ft. of torque at 4250 rpm and 434 lb. ft. of torque at 4500 rpm, respectively. I should think that the forced induction coupled with that torque curve probably means the EcoBoost will tow as well as anything else in the class.
No contest on the rest of your criteria (your money, not mine). I like the Tundra an awful lot, anyway.
Huh, the saleman at the Ford dealership in TC was apparently talking out his ass then. Those were his numbers. :huh:
I hate it when they bullshit their way through a salespitch. If you do not know the answer, just say you do not know the answer and go find out.
Why is that so hard?
If I were your kids I'd be saying hell no to skipping the front center console, just because HVAC vents in the rear are very nice.
One argument for the Cummins is fuel economy. My neighbor gets 24mpg with his Cummins 6.7L.
My dad has a '10 with the long bed and 4.10 gears, he gets about 22 to 23 without a trailer.
With his horse trailer he gets about 18 or 19, with eight horses he gets about 15.
Yeah, and his MPG should get better as he puts the miles on 'er.
My experience with most Ford salesmen is that they don't know anything about the products they're selling. I had one tell me on Friday that the Mustang GT witht he Track Pack has IRS.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 15, 2011, 06:15:51 PM
My experience with most Ford salesmen is that they don't know anything about the products they're selling. I had one tell me on Friday that the Mustang GT witht he Track Pack has IRS.
Either that, or they expect you don't know anything and tell you what they think you want to hear.
I could tell you guys about an experience with a salesman, but it makes me rage just thinking about it.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 15, 2011, 06:15:51 PM
My experience with most Ford salesmen is that they don't know anything about the products they're selling. I had one tell me on Friday that the Mustang GT witht he Track Pack has IRS.
At least he's heard of an IRS.
Quote from: ifcar on May 15, 2011, 06:19:07 PM
At least he's heard of an IRS.
Well, this was after I asked him if this car had the Track Pack. His answer: "Track pack? You mean Traction Control?" I had to explain what the Track Pack was. Then he proceded to tell me it had "independent suspension".
Quote from: ifcar on May 14, 2011, 09:28:50 AM
But you need an HD version to get it. It's not as if any current half-ton crew cab has anything short of a huge rear seat as it is.
It's available in 1/2 Ton.
Quote from: hounddog on May 15, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
I looked at them. To be honest, there is not enough extra room to justify an additional $4,000 for just the larger cab. If I were to buy a Dodge, I would only buy diesel and adding in the MegaCab would add up to $12,000 in just engine and cab upgrades.
Why would you only get diesel if it's a Dodge, but you will get gas in the others? The Hemi is a tried and true and proven motor.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 16, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
It's available in 1/2 Ton.
http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/2011/ram_1500/cabs_and_trims/
Quote from: SVT666 on May 16, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
It's available in 1/2 Ton.
No.
http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/2011/ram_1500/cabs_and_trims/
At least not according to the site.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 16, 2011, 01:54:49 PM
Why would you only get diesel if it's a Dodge, but you will get gas in the others? The Hemi is a tried and true and proven motor.
Yes, it is a tried and true and proven motor which I love.
The half ton differentials require changing every 15,000 miles due to an additive which breaks down. Failure to replace the fluid and additive can potentially result in destruction of the limited slip. And, it is about $250 to do it.
No thanks, I have the going on now and I absolutely HATE it. I feel like I am being robbed at gunpoint because they have to be making them this way on purpose.
The HD does not have this issue, and if I buy a HD why would I not just get a diesel? :huh: It is just better in every way to get a diesel in a HD in my opinion, having had an 04 2500 with the Hemi.
Quote from: ifcar on May 16, 2011, 02:00:29 PM
http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/2011/ram_1500/cabs_and_trims/
The old body style was available in 1500 as well. They must have ditched that option with the new body style.
Quote from: hounddog on May 16, 2011, 02:08:55 PM
Yes, it is a tried and true and proven motor which I love.
The half ton differentials require changing every 15,000 miles due to an additive which breaks down. Failure to replace the fluid and additive can potentially result in destruction of the limited slip. And, it is about $250 to do it.
No thanks, I have the going on now and I absolutely HATE it. I feel like I am being robbed at gunpoint because they have to be making them this way on purpose.
The HD does not have this issue, and if I buy a HD why would I not just get a diesel? :huh: It is just better in every way to get a diesel in a HD in my opinion, having had an 04 2500 with the Hemi.
I don't know if the deal we have is available in the US right now, but in Canada Ram is offering the Cummins at no additional charge over the Hemi right now.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 16, 2011, 09:34:45 PM
I don't know if the deal we have is available in the US right now, but in Canada Ram is offering the Cummins at no additional charge over the Hemi right now.
That's insane! The Cummins is a $7600 option in the US.
:confused:
I will have to make a call to the Dodge dealership in the AM.
Appreciate the info.
Quote from: hounddog on May 16, 2011, 09:52:33 PM
:confused:
I will have to make a call to the Dodge dealership in the AM.
Appreciate the info.
Yeah, if that deal is going on right now, I'd be signing papers tomorrow if I were you. Hell, it makes me wish I had an extra $40K sitting around!
Quote from: SVT666 on May 14, 2011, 09:26:25 AM
The Ram Mega Cab has the most legroom of any production vehicle on the market...period. More than a Maybach or even a LWB Rolls.
Yeah, no.
(http://www.car-newsfocus.info/images/maybach-62.jpg)
Quote from: The Pirate on May 16, 2011, 09:54:38 PM
Yeah, if that deal is going on right now, I'd be signing papers tomorrow if I were you. Hell, it makes me wish I had an extra $40K sitting around!
Not going on in the US.
$4500 cash back plus; $1,000 for former military, $2,500 for our friends and family discount and $500 for repeat customer. :lol:
They are going to give me $17,500 for my truck, which is paid off. :lol: Oh, and 3 year 0.9% interest through my bank on a savings secured loan.
I put an order in for a Big Horn, $1k down and 16-18 weeks for delivery. Only bitch I have is no leather, but the parts guys says he can put factory leather on the seats, with seat heaters in every position, for only $2k. :huh: Also going to have head-rest video put in with two seperate players and input for game thingys. He has a little side business where he helps out customers, but it got me wondering what a true custom-leather job would cost.
800 pound feet of torque ftw! :rockon:
(crew cab)
Quote from: hounddog on May 22, 2011, 06:48:17 AM
Not going on in the US.
$4500 cash back plus; $1,000 for former military, $2,500 for our friends and family discount and $500 for repeat customer. :lol:
They are going to give me $17,500 for my truck, which is paid off. :lol: Oh, and 3 year 0.9% interest through my bank on a savings secured loan.
I put an order in for a Big Horn, $1k down and 16-18 weeks for delivery. Only bitch I have is no leather, but the parts guys says he can put factory leather on the seats, with seat heaters in every position, for only $2k. :huh: Also going to have head-rest video put in with two seperate players and input for game thingys. He has a little side business where he helps out customers, but it got me wondering what a true custom-leather job would cost.
800 pound feet of torque ftw! :rockon:
(crew cab)
AWESOME.
My dad has the oportunity to buy an '07 Big Horn, but back then it was nothing more than a badge and the back seat is too small.
Edit: Wait it still sounds like it's just a badge. How much was the Longhorn edition?
GoCougs says 800 is too many torques.
Congrats Dog. I'm glad I could help.
Did you get an 8ft box?
Quote from: hounddog on May 22, 2011, 06:48:17 AM
but the parts guys says he can put factory leather on the seats, with seat heaters in every position
Wait, where would the switches go?
Why didn't you just order the leather?
MSU green I imagine? :thumbsup:
Quote from: hounddog on May 22, 2011, 06:48:17 AM
I put an order in for a Big Horn, $1k down and 16-18 weeks for delivery.
Congrats!
(That long of a wait would kill me.... :lol: )
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 23, 2011, 05:08:21 PM
Why didn't you just order the leather?
Not available in th Big Horn, and, it was already $55,470. :lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on May 22, 2011, 09:09:17 AM
Wait, where would the switches go?
I have no idea, but he said it will look factory. :huh:
Quote from: MrH on May 23, 2011, 05:37:29 PM
MSU green I imagine? :thumbsup:
Silver. I like silver for trucks, makes them appear fairly clean even when filthy and makes them appear larger than they really are. :lol:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 24, 2011, 05:18:55 AM
Congrats!
(That long of a wait would kill me.... :lol: )
Yes, the last one I ordered, the 2004, only took six weeks. I think what I was told was worst case scenario.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 22, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
Did you get an 8ft box?
I have zero need for that. My dad has it with the crew cab, just far too long for what I need.
The eight foot box rides a little nicer, however.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 22, 2011, 08:36:56 AM
AWESOME.
My dad has the oportunity to buy an '07 Big Horn, but back then it was nothing more than a badge and the back seat is too small.
Edit: Wait it still sounds like it's just a badge. How much was the Longhorn edition?
No, not a badge. Instead of offering regular packages within the trim level, Dodge is now naming the packages, i.e. "convenience group" is now the Big Horn sort of a thing.
It is rather annoying, truth be told.
Base on the BH is $40k I believe.
I did slip this by the little lady, however. :lol:
I had not told her I was shopping, and as we were making dinner I mentioned between her sentences about how she just spent $500 on whatever she was talking about, I mentioned that the Durango was having trouble.
She said, "You should look at new vehicles then, if you think its going to be a problem."
I said, "Already taken care of."
She said, "Ok, good."
I said nothing.
She said, "Uhm, wait, what does "already taken care of" mean?"
I said, "I ordered a new truck today."
She said, " Oh really. " (note sense of time lapse)
I said, " :confused: "
Then, I said, "Sorry?"
She said, " [sigh] "
I would like to point out to the patrons of the Significant Other thread the timely use of sorry, and that it led to no further discussion on the matter. :lol:
Quote from: hounddog on May 24, 2011, 05:55:47 AM
I did slip this by the little lady, however. :lol:
I had not told her I was shopping, and as we were making dinner I mentioned between her sentences about how she just spent $500 on whatever she was talking about, I mentioned that the Durango was having trouble.
She said, "You should look at new vehicles then, if you think its going to be a problem."
I said, "Already taken care of."
She said, "Ok, good."
I said nothing.
She said, "Uhm, wait, what does "already taken care of" mean?"
I said, "I ordered a new truck today."
She said, " Oh really. " (note sense of time lapse)
I said, " :confused: "
Then, I said, "Sorry?"
She said, " [sigh] "
I would like to point out to the patrons of the Significant Other thread the timely use of sorry, and that it led to no further discussion on the matter. :lol:
:clap: Well played sir.
Some newer vehicles already have provision in the wiring harness and control modules for all of the potential features a truck might be built with, so hypothetically it's only a matter of installing the hardware, putting the switches in place, and reprogramming the applicable control modules to make it work. In fact this is a much better way to go than after-market, because it won't mess with the airbags or other safety devices in the truck, and you don't have some kid hacking your wiring harness with scotch locks and other ghetto shit.
Quote from: R-inge on May 24, 2011, 11:45:59 AM
Some newer vehicles already have provision in the wiring harness and control modules for all of the potential features a truck might be built with, so hypothetically it's only a matter of installing the hardware, putting the switches in place, and reprogramming the applicable control modules to make it work. In fact this is a much better way to go than after-market, because it won't mess with the airbags or other safety devices in the truck, and you don't have some kid hacking your wiring harness with scotch locks and other ghetto shit.
When I put a power seat into my Mustang, all I had to do was plug it in to the provided wiring harness and it worked.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 22, 2011, 08:53:00 AM
GoCougs says 800 is too many torques.
Plus diesels suck.
Dog's new truck = garbage. Clearly.
[/cougsmode]
I just found out why 16-18 weeks on the delivery date: they had to put my order into the hold mode because they have not yet begun production on the new HO engine.
Dealership owner called me himself to try to keep me from blowing up I guess, offered to upgrade to chrome package and and backup camera free to me since his sales manager blew it on the engine.
Free backup camera + pimp out chrome = :rockon:
Quote from: hounddog on May 24, 2011, 04:43:48 PM
I just found out why 16-18 weeks on the delivery date: they had to put my order into the hold mode because they have not yet begun production on the new HO engine.
Dealership owner called me himself to try to keep me from blowing up I guess, offered to upgrade to chrome package and and backup camera free to me since his sales manager blew it on the engine.
Free backup camera + pimp out chrome = :rockon:
What's new about the engine?
HO, duh. :lol:
Quote from: R-inge on May 24, 2011, 05:05:32 PM
HO, duh. :lol:
:lol: I want to know what the old and new numbers are.
800tq versus 650tq.
Quote from: R-inge on May 24, 2011, 05:05:32 PM
HO, duh. :lol:
Yup.
:lol:
350hp ---> 385hp
650lb-ft---> 800lb-ft (808 actually, but who is counting)
It means my truck will go from having a towing capacity of about 13,500 to about 16,000, and GVRW will go to around 10,000ish. 5500 Rams will have a GVWR of 30,000lbs and a towing capacity of about 23,000lbs.
Dodge is still calling this a 350,000 mile engine.
That's an incredible amount of power.
You gonna swap in a 18-speed semi-truck tranny when you get it?
:lol:
Quote from: hounddog on May 25, 2011, 06:14:14 AM
Yup.
:lol:
350hp ---> 385hp
650lb-ft---> 800lb-ft (808 actually, but who is counting)
It means my truck will go from having a towing capacity of about 13,500 to about 16,000, and GVRW will go to around 10,000ish. 5500 Rams will have a GVWR of 30,000lbs and a towing capacity of about 23,000lbs.
Dodge is still calling this a 350,000 mile engine.
If they want to bring in crazy sales, warranty them bitches to 350,000 miles.
Supposedly, if you believe everything a salesman tells you, if you blow it up before that point you get a new engine free of charge.
Who knows if its true or not. :huh:
Quote from: hounddog on May 25, 2011, 03:47:21 PM
Supposedly, if you believe everything a salesman tells you, if you blow it up before that point you get a new engine free of charge.
Who knows if its true or not. :huh:
I wouldn't believe it. Maybe if you do the
all scheduled maintenance at the dealer. :huh: But I find it hard to believe, since by then the truck is barely worth more than the diesel option cost, or the trade in value would be lower than the engine. Who knows. Maybe you should try it out.
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 25, 2011, 01:59:21 PM
That's an incredible amount of power.
You gonna swap in a 18-speed semi-truck tranny when you get it?
:lol:
:lol:
Ahhhh, no.
I want to not have to shift because I am growing lazy in my ever increasing age.
Quote from: hounddog on May 25, 2011, 06:14:14 AM
Yup.
:lol:
350hp ---> 385hp
650lb-ft---> 800lb-ft (808 actually, but who is counting)
It means my truck will go from having a towing capacity of about 13,500 to about 16,000, and GVRW will go to around 10,000ish. 5500 Rams will have a GVWR of 30,000lbs and a towing capacity of about 23,000lbs.
Dodge is still calling this a 350,000 mile engine.
Sweat feathery Jesus... that's epic.
800 lb-ft at 1500 rpm is nuts. I think I'd just go around with a chain and rip out street lamps because I could.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNq-0QWcukE
Quote from: MrH on May 24, 2011, 11:33:39 AM
:clap: Well played sir.
+1
Quote from: hounddog on May 25, 2011, 06:14:14 AM
Dodge is still calling this a 350,000 mile engine.
Can I have it when you're done then? :lol:
Hounddog, YOU WANNA PICK UP CHICKS WITH YOU PICK UP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42o668Cnx54&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: 68_427 on June 22, 2011, 01:41:54 PM
Hounddog, YOU WANNA PICK UP CHICKS WITH YOU PICK UP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42o668Cnx54&feature=player_embedded
At first I thought that was a joke, but damn, that think kicks ass.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 22, 2011, 01:48:45 PM
At first I thought that was a joke, but damn, that think kicks ass.
It looks like it'd be really easy to either have it stuck in your bed or roll out on accident depending on which direction your bed isn't level.
No HEENEPOWERROLLERRRRS
LOL, Heene is the same guy who pulled that Balloon Boy prank with his kid (who later barfed on TV) a couple years ago.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 22, 2011, 04:23:15 PM
LOL, Heene is the same guy who pulled that Balloon Boy prank with his kid (who later barfed on TV) a couple years ago.
That guy is that guy?! wtf
It is pretty fucking cool, but I wouldn't buy anything from a website that promises the first 100 Heenedutys sold will be serialized and autographed by Richard Heene.
Got a text from my salesman yesterday, truck is in.
Wrong color.
:rage:
major di$count?
Not sure yet.
I ordered silver, came in charcoal grey. I asked him if it was not mine and someone had made a mistake, told me it has my name on the window sticker so it is definately mine.
I double checked the order forms, they have "Bright Silver Metallic Clearcoat" checked, so it is a factory error.
He said it has the right engine, so they got that right at least.
I am going down tomorrow to check it out and talk with the manager.
Quote from: hounddog on June 26, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
Not sure yet.
I ordered silver, came in charcoal grey. I asked him if it was not mine and someone had made a mistake, told me it has my name on the window sticker so it is definately mine.
I double checked the order forms, they have "Bright Silver Metallic Clearcoat" checked, so it is a factory error.
He said it has the right engine, so they got that right at least.
I am going down tomorrow to check it out and talk with the manager.
Did you get the Cummins or the Hemi?
Quote from: hounddog on June 26, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
Not sure yet.
I ordered silver, came in charcoal grey. I asked him if it was not mine and someone had made a mistake, told me it has my name on the window sticker so it is definately mine.
I double checked the order forms, they have "Bright Silver Metallic Clearcoat" checked, so it is a factory error.
He said it has the right engine, so they got that right at least.
I am going down tomorrow to check it out and talk with the manager.
Is charcoal grey a tolerable color for you? Maybe they'll give you a discount for their fuckup.
Quote from: The Pirate on June 26, 2011, 06:44:01 PM
Did you get the Cummins or the Hemi?
Cummins, I hope. Otherwise, he might as well castrate himself.
Quote from: The Pirate on June 26, 2011, 06:44:01 PM
Did you get the Cummins or the Hemi?
Quote from: hounddog on May 22, 2011, 06:48:17 AM
Not going on in the US.
$4500 cash back plus; $1,000 for former military, $2,500 for our friends and family discount and $500 for repeat customer. :lol:
They are going to give me $17,500 for my truck, which is paid off. :lol: Oh, and 3 year 0.9% interest through my bank on a savings secured loan.
I put an order in for a Big Horn, $1k down and 16-18 weeks for delivery. Only bitch I have is no leather, but the parts guys says he can put factory leather on the seats, with seat heaters in every position, for only $2k. :huh: Also going to have head-rest video put in with two seperate players and input for game thingys. He has a little side business where he helps out customers, but it got me wondering what a true custom-leather job would cost.
800 pound feet of torque ftw! :rockon:
(crew cab)
diesel = :rockon:
Quote from: dazzleman on June 26, 2011, 07:04:30 PM
Is charcoal grey a tolerable color for you? Maybe they'll give you a discount for their fuckup.
I have seen the charcoal grey on the new 300c (ultra freakin smokin hawt, btw) but not on the truck. It will probably be ok as long as they make it right, and as long as the other options are all accurate.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 22, 2011, 01:41:54 PM
Hounddog, YOU WANNA PICK UP CHICKS WITH YOU PICK UP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42o668Cnx54&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 22, 2011, 01:48:45 PM
At first I thought that was a joke, but damn, that think kicks ass.
^^^ YEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
If I were in business where I needed to load my truck that thing would be wicked awesome fun.
I have no need for it, but still, very very clever idea.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 26, 2011, 07:45:28 PM
Cummins, I hope. Otherwise, he might as well castrate himself.
My 2004 2500 was a hemi.
Still have mah nuts. :huh:
I'd probably prefer the charcoal, actually. :lol:
But even if you like it, might as well milk 'em if you can and get a discount for the mistake.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 26, 2011, 10:52:38 PM
I'd probably prefer the charcoal, actually. :lol:
But even if you like it, might as well milk 'em if you can and get a discount for the mistake.
+1
You should ask them for a free Dodge Caliber because of their mistake. They would probably give you one. :lol:
Although, I think you might be worse off than if you didn't get the Caliber...
I cannot say as I have never seen a charcoal grey Ram of the new body style. Unless I saw one and it was so un-memorable that I simply do not remember.
I ordered silver because it really pops with chrome, so hopefully this will as well.
As for the Caliber:
a) do they still make it?
b) no thanks.
c) no thanks.
Ok, off to take a look at the truck.
Back later this afternoon.
Well?....
Its ok. I am not jumping up and down about the color, it is just Ok.
Also missing is the Nav/upgrade radio.
Owner is offering to have another built at $xx,xxx less than sticker but I have no desire to wait that long. I will probably just take his offer of -$5k off my negotiated price. :huh:
I thought you said it would take 16-18 weeks? It's only been 5 weeks.
Sucks about the Nav though. I don't think I'd accept the truck without that if you really wanted it.
Quote from: hounddog on June 28, 2011, 04:57:24 PM
Its ok. I am not jumping up and down about the color, it is just Ok.
Also missing is the Nav/upgrade radio.
Owner is offering to have another built at $xx,xxx less than sticker but I have no desire to wait that long. I will probably just take his offer of -$5k off my negotiated price. :huh:
-$5k is fair for an expensive vehicle with the wrong color, but they also removed a pricey option. It should be -$5k and minus the cost of the options you negotiated for but weren't delivered.
Quote from: hounddog on June 28, 2011, 04:57:24 PM
Its ok. I am not jumping up and down about the color, it is just Ok.
Also missing is the Nav/upgrade radio.
Owner is offering to have another built at $xx,xxx less than sticker but I have no desire to wait that long. I will probably just take his offer of -$5k off my negotiated price. :huh:
I'd wait. You ordered a truck to have it as you wanted and should expect that.
Such a shitty deal man. I'd be super fucking pissed, did you ask if the dealer could find any like what you ordered?
Quote from: thecarnut on June 28, 2011, 05:34:40 PM
I thought you said it would take 16-18 weeks? It's only been 5 weeks.
Sucks about the Nav though. I don't think I'd accept the truck without that if you really wanted it.
I wondered the same thing.
I also wonder if they did not just take one from the line and say, "Ehh, close enough" put my name and order number on it and send it.
Oh well.
Quote from: ifcar on June 28, 2011, 05:39:22 PM
-$5k is fair for an expensive vehicle with the wrong color, but they also removed a pricey option. It should be -$5k and minus the cost of the options you negotiated for but weren't delivered.
Well, I have not signed anything so I guess I could hit him with that.
Truth be told, I really would rather have the sunroof then the nav if it came down to brass tacks.
They make these really cool manual navigation assists, and, it weighs less than my wallet. I can literally put it anywhere in the truck when I am not using it.
Quote from: CJ on June 28, 2011, 05:54:14 PM
I'd wait. You ordered a truck to have it as you wanted and should expect that.
I know I play the part of a hard assed meanie, but the reality is that I am really easy to get along with, and very seldom make a stink out of things.
I also hated HATED the idea of having to wait more than four months to get the truck.
I like ifcars suggestion and will hit them with that.
All told, right now I am on the hook for only $42k on a stickered $55k vehicle, BEFORE my trade in.
I hate to rock that boat and get told to piss off and end up paying $49k on that same vehicle.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 28, 2011, 06:06:06 PM
Such a shitty deal man. I'd be super fucking pissed, did you ask if the dealer could find any like what you ordered?
Missed this.
In real life I almost never get "super fucking pissed." I usually suck it up and try to make wine with my squashed grapes. That is the real me.
I will not purchase a lot vehicle.
They are set at idle for long periods of time to restore the batteries and then shut off, moisture builds throughout the entire engine and exhaust; they get absolutely hammered on by people testing them for only the purpose of testing them; and they sit in the sun for untold periods of time which is hard on the paint, interior and tires.
No, I order vehicles when I buy them because I want a "new" vehicle not a "sit on the lot and be driven by idiots demo" vehicle.
Makes sense.
It's too bad dealers have to put up with this crap, as well as you though.
That is just it, the dealership did everything right; I have the proof.
It is the factory which made the mistakes.
I was told when I ordered my 2004 that sometimes if they have one close enough scheduled for lot delivery they will just grab it and slap the customer special order window sticker on and send it. I have no idea if that is true, however, just what the salesman told me.
Were they not able to find a silver one, however? Really? THEE most popular color, and they could not find ONE?
Yeeesh. I can't believe they'd fuck up the order that bad. It's even worse if they're just taking things off the line that are close enough and slapping your name on it :facepalm:
That's painful to even read.
I have no proof of that being true, but I have to admit, it does sorta feel that way to me on this order.
The last order was exactly right.
I dunno. :huh:
Is that discount from the dealer or from the factory? If it's a factory mistake, they should pay for it, not the dealer.
IMO unless you need it now for some specific purpose, I'd hold out and wait for the truck you ordered. In the long run I think you'll be happier that way.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 28, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
Is that discount from the dealer or from the factory? If it's a factory mistake, they should pay for it, not the dealer.
Spoke to the dealership manager a short time ago, they are to take off the cost of the items not on the truck, obviously. He said they are also willing to hand me the amounts back into the cost of the truck. About $2k worth.
I asked him if they were eating it or if the corporation was and he said the way it works; they make it right then bill corporate.
He said his store will not eat anything because they got it right and have the paperwork to proove it, and that this is actually a very painless process for them.
In the end, after removing the cost of items not gotten the truck sticker is about $52,500, and being compensated it will come to a grand total of about $38k before they add in my trade.
I can live with the color. :rockon:
Quote from: Lebowski on June 29, 2011, 08:59:55 AM
IMO unless you need it now for some specific purpose, I'd hold out and wait for the truck you ordered. In the long run I think you'll be happier that way.
After my talk with the manager today, I am satisfied.
I would rather get the unexpected deal and learn to love the color.
Just wish it had the sunroof. :huh: Going to sign the papers and pick it up tonight depending on when they have it detailed and prepped.
Picks to follow soon. :ohyeah:
In case you cannot tell from my posting like a school-girl talks, I am very excited to have a real truck again.
I missed having a truck.
Damn women and their interfering with good intents.
Wait so you're only getting $2k back for the missing equipment and nothing more for the factory's mistake?
Shame about the sunroof. I'm not sure I could live without one.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 29, 2011, 11:36:54 AM
Wait so you're only getting $2k back for the missing equipment and nothing more for the factory's mistake?
Works out to $7k, actually.
Well, $9k really.
They are taking the roughly $2k of missing options off the sticker, then putting that same $2k into "incentive" type money into the truck, plus the originally offered $5k for it not being right.
I have a supplier discount, so I had already gotten a very large knock off on the price, this is just gravy at this point. I can live with it for the price.
Congrats man. I'm glad I was of service.
What a dumb mistake. Way to have horrible customer service, and kill their commission/profit on the sale to boot.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on June 29, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
What a dumb mistake. Way to have horrible customer service, and kill their commission/profit on the sale to boot.
It wasn't the dealer's fault, nor are they being billed for the error.
Congrats on the price!
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on June 29, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
What a dumb mistake. Way to have horrible customer service, and kill their commission/profit on the sale to boot.
Good customer service is all about doing the right thing when something goes wrong. Sounds like they did an admirable job on this one.
I don't want to read the whole thread... What did you get? Ram 1500 or 2500? Cab? Bed? 4WD? Cummins? We just got a 2500 crew cab, 6' bed, 5.7 Hemi (can be hard to find diesel in some of the places we take it), 4WD at work. It's a pretty bomb truck, though it's fucking huge for tiny dirt roads and cities. We also had a brake problem within the first 200 miles, where the pedal would go to the floor. They replaced the master cylinder and something with the anti-lock brakes. I drove it 2000 miles last week. :lol:
2500 crew cab cummins.
Quote from: Rupert on June 29, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
I don't want to read the whole thread... What did you get? Ram 1500 or 2500? Cab? Bed? 4WD? Cummins? We just got a 2500 crew cab, 6' bed, 5.7 Hemi (can be hard to find diesel in some of the places we take it), 4WD at work. It's a pretty bomb truck, though it's fucking huge for tiny dirt roads and cities. We also had a brake problem within the first 200 miles, where the pedal would go to the floor. They replaced the master cylinder and something with the anti-lock brakes. I drove it 2000 miles last week. :lol:
2011 Crew Cab, Cummins, Big Horn package (but missing a couple importanti items; nav and sunroof), Aluminum alloy wheels, no console shifter, 34 gallon tank, Jake-break, and 4.10 gearing.
18,000 pound towing capacity! :rockon: :ohyeah: :cheers:
Picked it up last night. They had not gotten to detailing it, but did have all the other prep work done. I have not taken photos of it yet since it still needs cleaning, am heading out to do that in about ten minutes and will try to find a nice spot to snap a few shots for you guys.
I drove it about 120 miles last night, what a freaking BEAST this thing is. Not the ride, the ride is really nice, I am talking power, tons of power. Takes a moment for the turbo to spool, but once it does it will, literally, smoke the tires in 4x4. :lol: :clap:
Slick.
1200+ miles already. :lol:
Snapped a couple photos doing some crop monitoring at the farm this afternoon.
Will have them up in a little while.
Ok, here they are and then I am done with the truck talk.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3415.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3419.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3424.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3427.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3422.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3423.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3429.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3430.jpg)
Trying to show the ridiculously huge brakes on the last one.
Love the color!
Smartass.
:lol:
I also like the color. With all the chrome on the front end, I've thought the silver didn't work as well -- some contrast was needed.
Well then, thanks. It is growing on me.
It was dark and rainy today, so it looked a little dark in the photos, sorry for that.
Kat wants me to find some chrome door trim to add so that it looks a little less bare from the side. Thought I might try all front door pieces from the last body style and see how that looks.
If they fit.
Possibly some chrome pinstriping.
Looks like the same color on our TSX.
I have never really been a huge fan of the charcoal grey, but admit, it is growing on me.
The problem I have with it is there is no chrome, or anything really, on the doors or side to break it up. It is just one huge chunk of charcoal greyness. I think once I find something to break it up I will be alot happier with the color.
It also shows every speck of dirt. :(
Love the color, inside and out!
And those brakes are damn massive! And how did you put 1200 miles on it already?!
Aren't those little hide-a-way cubbies in the back awesome? We stick our jumper cables and first aid kit in them. Great place for that kind of stuff. Looks good.
Quote from: thecarnut on July 01, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
Love the color, inside and out!
And those brakes are damn massive! And how did you put 1200 miles on it already?!
Thanks. I appreciate it.
I have really enjoyed driving it, I put 120 or so on the very first night I had it. I went down to the family farm today and back, about 220 miles each way so that helped put a few on.
Otherwise, just TBW.
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2011, 09:34:45 PM
Aren't those little hide-a-way cubbies in the back awesome? We stick our jumper cables and first aid kit in them. Great place for that kind of stuff. Looks good.
Yes they are. The kids can put some ice and drinks or snacks in there if we take it to MSU or downstate since they are just plastic tubs.
One thing I miss from my '04 is the folding flat steel floor. My old dog used to sleep there on our trips back and forth. Oh well.
I keep a tub in the bed, well I did, with all that stuff including my jack and four-way, flares and other stuff for break downs.
I am so happy to have a truck again.
I hope she doesn't mean those thin strips of chrome that go in the door gaps, because those look like SHIT.
I'm thinking maybe some chrome mirrors, and side steps, or something like this maybe for a two tone like effect.
http://www.pickupspecialties.com/rockerpanel-main.htm
(http://www.deluxeautomall.com/images/products/original/product-id-4400.jpg)
(Not sure if they have any for your truck though)
Edit: (http://dodgeforum.com/forum/image.php?u=114077&type=sigpic&dateline=1274836326)
Yeah, I miss having a truck. A Tacoma will very likely be my next vehicle.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 09:40:14 PM
Thanks. I appreciate it.
I have really enjoyed driving it, I put 120 or so on the very first night I had it. I went down to the family farm today and back, about 220 miles each way so that helped put a few on.
Otherwise, just TBW.
Yes they are. The kids can put some ice and drinks or snacks in there if we take it to MSU or downstate since they are just plastic tubs.
One thing I miss from my '04 is the folding flat steel floor. My old dog used to sleep there on our trips back and forth. Oh well.
I keep a tub in the bed, well I did, with all that stuff including my jack and four-way, flares and other stuff for break downs.
I am so happy to have a truck again.
I hate having tubs of shit rolling around the back of trucks... We stuck the rest of our stuff (toolbox, flares, chains, etc) under the rear seat, which lifts up and has some room under it.
Trucks are awesome for a lot of stuff. I admit that I enjoy driving the work trucks around all summer. :lol:
Quote from: The Pirate on July 01, 2011, 09:46:34 PM
Yeah, I miss having a truck. A Tacoma will very likely be my next vehicle.
Sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma
I feel like I'm repeating myself. :lol:
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2011, 09:49:45 PM
Sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma
I feel like I'm repeating myself. :lol:
Mazda isn't worth nearly enough to get a halfway decent Tacoma (indeed, it's not even worth enough to get a hammersmashed Tacoma), and I don't want car payments, so I'll wait and save.
But yeah...
sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma sell Mazda buy Tacoma
:lol:
The trouble with Tacomas is that they're 75% more expensive than you think they should be, and 30% more than, say, an equivalent Ranger.
2500s just have leaf springs in the back, right?
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
I hate having tubs of shit rolling around the back of trucks... We stuck the rest of our stuff (toolbox, flares, chains, etc) under the rear seat, which lifts up and has some room under it.
Trucks are awesome for a lot of stuff. I admit that I enjoy driving the work trucks around all summer. :lol:
Cargo bar set to exact bed width, stuck into slots designed for said cargo bar. 2 1" holes drilled into side of tub, bungee cord connected to bed tie down.
= no sliding around.
:huh:
:lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2011, 09:43:58 PM
I hope she doesn't mean those thin strips of chrome that go in the door gaps, because those look like SHIT.
No, not what I mean.
QuoteI'm thinking maybe some chrome mirrors, and side steps, or something like this maybe for a two tone like effect.
(Not sure if they have any for your truck though)
No, I am talking about the chrome finished factory trim which went near the bottom of the door.
Can still get new OEM trim for the old body style.
http://www.autotrucktoys.com/ram/Mopar-OEM-Dodge-Ram-Chrome-Body-Side-Molding-PRD27457.aspx
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 01, 2011, 10:08:43 PM
2500s just have leaf springs in the back, right?
Yes.
Something like a stack of five or six.
Yeah, it's enough, that's fore sure. Does yours have the integrated trailer brake controller?
Quote from: thecarnut on July 01, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
And how did you put 1200 miles on it already?!
I have to admit, I really like the interior at night. High-beams pretty well suck ass, however.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3433.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3435.jpg)
Ok thank god you weren't talking about the ghetto fake chrome shit people line every gap on their cars with.
Ha, yeah, the low beams are pretty good, but the highs are sub-par.
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2011, 10:14:25 PM
Yeah, it's enough, that's fore sure. Does yours have the integrated trailer brake controller?
Yes. I think that is standard on the Big Horn package, possible all the 2500s, I am not certain.
I would honestly not have gotten one without out it.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2011, 10:22:12 PM
Ok thank god you weren't talking about the ghetto fake chrome shit people line every gap on their cars with.
Nope, not rolling 'tto in my 2500. :lol:
Looking for something factory-esque that will break up the massive amount of grey, not somthing that makes me look like I just rolled a fatty.
Hmm... if the high-beams are the right type a modified 9011 HIR bulb might fit...
My inner lighting-geek is coming back out. Quick Raza, your shovel please.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:25:03 PM
Yes. I think that is standard on the Big Horn package, possible all the 2500s, I am not certain.
I would honestly not have gotten one without out it.
Nope, not rolling 'tto in my 2500. :lol:
Looking for something factory-esque that will break up the massive amount of grey, not somthing that makes me look like I just rolled a fatty.
It was an option box I checked when I ordered the one for work. Pretty sweet.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:25:03 PM
Yes. I think that is standard on the Big Horn package, possible all the 2500s, I am not certain.
I would honestly not have gotten one without out it.
Nope, not rolling 'tto in my 2500. :lol:
Looking for something factory-esque that will break up the massive amount of grey, not somthing that makes me look like I just rolled a fatty.
Not sure if the wife will approve, but you should get a mural of a naked woman on the side of the truck.
Just snapped this when I grabbed the interior photos.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3440-1-1.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
Not sure if the wife will approve, but you should get a mural of a naked woman on the side of the truck.
Yep, that's the classiest thing you can do with a truck. Or a van!
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2011, 10:31:13 PM
Yep, that's the classiest thing you can do with a truck. Or a van!
Yeah then he could get matching ones for the boat.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:30:50 PM
Just snapped this when I grabbed the interior photos.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3440-1-1.jpg)
Intimidating. So what are the roof lights for?
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2011, 10:31:58 PM
Yeah then he could get matching ones for the boat.
Do it, hd!
Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
Not sure if the wife will approve, but you should get a mural of a naked woman on the side of the truck.
Yes, that would surely go over well.
:lol:
Also, naked lady mud flaps. And the angel/demon lady stickers on the rear windows. Oh, and a set of nuts to hang from the hitch.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:34:35 PM
Yes, that would surely go over well.
:lol:
What if you did a naked woman on your side and a naked dude on her side?
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM
Intimidating. So what are the roof lights for?
I dunno.
I like them so I ordered them. :huh:
My grandpa always had them on his duallys, my dad always had them on his duallys (but not on his last couple 2500s) and I grew up liking them. They just look the part, I suppose.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:36:37 PM
I dunno.
I like them so I ordered them. :huh:
My grandpa always had them on his duallys, my dad always had them on his duallys (but not on his last couple 2500s) and I grew up liking them. They just look the part, I suppose.
Well at least they got that option right! :lol:
Probably some DOT thing having to do with height or size or something.
Quote from: R-inge on July 01, 2011, 10:35:45 PM
Oh, and a set of nuts to hang from the hitch.
I happened to see a set of those today, chrome.
I lauged at the thought of them on my truck.
Well, you have a photo of the front, what do you think about switching to something like a Silverstar?
Quote from: R-inge on July 01, 2011, 10:35:45 PM
Also, naked lady mud flaps. And the angel/demon lady stickers on the rear windows. Oh, and a set of nuts to hang from the hitch.
Us, together, would make an awesome team.
Oh wait, this on the back, too:
(http://www.imcdb.org/i000363.jpg)
Is that an actual photo, or was a shop?
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 01, 2011, 10:37:33 PM
Well at least they got that option right! :lol:
:lol:
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM
Intimidating. So what are the roof lights for?
Badassery.
You always carry a gun or something?
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 01, 2011, 11:14:11 PM
You always carry a gun or something?
:confused:
Yes.
Why?
:huh:
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:45:44 PM
Is that an actual photo, or was a shop?
It's from the movie Kill Bill Vol 1. If memory serves me correctly, in the movie it belong to a gentlemen who was having intercourse with a comatose woman mercenary who then woke up, beat the shit out of him, and stole his truck.
Quote from: R-inge on July 01, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
Probably some DOT thing having to do with height or size or something.
They aren't on a lot of same size and larger trucks, including the 2011 2500 at work. :huh:
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:38:02 PM
I happened to see a set of those today, chrome.
I lauged at the thought of them on my truck.
Well, you have a photo of the front, what do you think about switching to something like a Silverstar?
I think Silverstars are a waste of money.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 10:45:44 PM
Is that an actual photo, or was a shop?
That's from Kill Bill.
The Philips equivalent are better for sure. I helped a guy at my old job install some on his Outback and the result was noticeably improved lighting, but none of this blue-headlight bullshit.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 11:16:23 PM
:confused:
Yes.
Why?
:huh:
Well I assumed the gun didn't come with the truck
Quote from: R-inge on July 01, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
Probably some DOT thing having to do with height or size or something.
I think i read somewhere they're a width-related requirement
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 02, 2011, 09:43:13 AM
Well I assumed the gun didn't come with the truck
?
I am not understanding.
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 02, 2011, 09:45:15 AM
I think i read somewhere they're a width-related requirement
They are an option, not standard.
Quote from: R-inge on July 02, 2011, 07:37:41 AM
The Philips equivalent are better for sure. I helped a guy at my old job install some on his Outback and the result was noticeably improved lighting, but none of this blue-headlight bullshit.
I was talking about the Xtravision bulbs, just did not remember the name of them is all.
I had them in my last vehicle and really liked them.
I think I will give the high beam bulbs an upgrade and see how they look.
Quote from: hounddog on July 01, 2011, 09:05:42 PM
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3427.jpg)
Ha!
It never even occured to me.
I have no use for such a truck, and I probably never will. That said, this thing is fucking cool, man. Do want.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 02, 2011, 11:51:14 AM
I have no use for such a truck, and I probably never will. That said, this thing is fucking cool, man. Do want.
You would
find reasons to use it, if you had access to it. Nothing like the big diesel power.
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 02, 2011, 09:45:15 AM
I think i read somewhere they're a width-related requirement
Could be, but not for something this size. Like I said, the same-size 2500 at work doesn't have them.
get a tractor
(http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m00/829931555.gif)
Quote from: Rupert on July 02, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
Could be, but not for something this size. Like I said, the same-size 2500 at work doesn't have them.
"Government regulations stipulate the trucks over 80-inches in width also include roof mounted marker lamps"
So I'm assuming some people like the look, so companies offer them on trucks that don't require them.
The only light duty, non-dually that requires them right now is the SVT Raptor. It's 86 inches wide without mirrors.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 02, 2011, 11:51:14 AM
I have no use for such a truck, and I probably never will. That said, this thing is fucking cool, man. Do want.
Thanks.
So far I love it.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 02, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
You would find reasons to use it, if you had access to it. Nothing like the big diesel power.
:hesaid:
With the power this engine has it is actually more fun than driving a gasser.
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 02, 2011, 02:41:32 PM
So I'm assuming some people like the look, so companies offer them on trucks that don't require them.
Well, I bought them. Not that I count for much, but, I did specifically order them.
:cheers:
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 02, 2011, 02:40:04 PM
"Government regulations stipulate the trucks over 80-inches in width also include roof mounted marker lamps"
"There are no government regulations on non-commercial vehicle roof-mount lighting."
I can put quotes around random statements, too. :huh:
At any rate, my original question could be rephrased as, "is there any reason for those lights on these trucks, other than to look cool?". The answer is, apparently, no.
Quote from: Rupert on July 02, 2011, 03:34:13 PM
"There are no government regulations on non-commercial vehicle roof-mount lighting."
I can put quotes around random statements, too. :huh:
At any rate, my original question could be rephrased as, "is there any reason for those lights on these trucks, other than to look cool?". The answer is, apparently, no.
Sure be a dick without looking it up :huh:
I pulled that quote from here http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/stories/gmctech/three2.html thus the quotation marks.
Uncredited quotes are totally useless at best, and make it appear as if you're making shit up to support your argument at worst. ;)
(Oh god not the winky!)
Quote from: Rupert on July 02, 2011, 06:12:37 PM
Uncredited quotes are totally useless at best, and make it appear as if you're making shit up to support your argument at worst. ;)
(Oh god not the winky!)
Maybe you should've at least looked up what you were talking about before attacking people ;)
I didn't attack people, plural; I attacked person, you, because you were dumb. :huh:
Even I, one of the boards biggest pissing contest enablers, thinks this is a ridiculous argument.
At least get it over with and argue about something men would argue about.
:lol:
Quote from: Rupert on July 02, 2011, 07:12:35 PM
I didn't attack people, plural; I attacked person, you, because you were dumb. :huh:
Thanks for the clarification asshole :huh:
:lol:
For the record, "Thanks for the clarification , asshole."
:devil:
So what's diesel availability in Michigan like?
Not too bad, we use Shell pretty exclusively and they have diesel at almost all their locations.
Beyond that, maybe 25-50% of stations?
I have yet to really take stock.
Quote from: hounddog on July 02, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
Thanks.
So far I love it.
:hesaid:
With the power this engine has it is actually more fun than driving a gasser.
Oh, I have no doubt about that. If I were getting a Ram, I'd do everything I could to get the Cummins motor.
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 02, 2011, 07:36:23 PM
Thanks for the clarification asshole :huh:
Meh, I'm a dick, you're an idiot. What else is new? ;)
Quote from: hounddog on July 02, 2011, 03:07:37 PM
Well, I bought them. Not that I count for much, but, I did specifically order them.
:cheers:
Maybe they become mandatory with towing mirrors?
I've always wanted a big diesel truck - I have no use for one, but I'd love to buy one none the less. A family friend has a 6-speed diesel F250. The transmission blows, but there is something incredibly fun about driving it.
BTW - congrats on the truck. It's a beast in the best possible sense of the word. :praise:
Quote from: Submariner on July 04, 2011, 04:08:59 PM
Maybe they become mandatory with towing mirrors?
Nope; work truck has those and no roof lights.
It just occured to me:
What a woman sees as a truck:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/rohowssgt/rohowssgt2/IMG_0600-1.jpg)
What a man sees as a Truck:
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3415.jpg)
2nd pic isn't loading...
My hard drive is registering several failures.
:huh:
Starting to annoy me.
Man truck:
(http://www.volvotrucks.com/SiteCollectionImages/VTNA_Tree/ILF/Products/VN%20Series/780/780_yellow_motion_566x228.jpg)
Girl truck:
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/lawhog/lawhog2/IMG_3415.jpg)
:devil:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 04, 2011, 05:37:45 PM
Man truck:
Girl truck:
:devil:
Well, well. Look who needs a flashy color.
Man truck:
(http://www.parelastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/super-dump-truck.jpg)
Girl truck:
(http://www.volvotrucks.com/SiteCollectionImages/VTNA_Tree/ILF/Products/VN%20Series/780/780_yellow_motion_566x228.jpg)
Quote from: Rupert on July 03, 2011, 04:08:27 AM
Meh, I'm a dick, you're an idiot. What else is new? ;)
....but Ed's actually right.
That makes you both the asshole and idiot. What else is new? ;)
Nice truck. I actually prefer the gray you got instead of the silver you ordered. Still think it's strange they butchered that order so bad, but looks like you came out with a bad ass truck :rockon:. I like the lights on the top too.
Oh, H, just put me on ignore already. ;)
I wa ;) s being a dick about his uncredited quote, which was pretty clear, not whether or not he was factually correct. I hate uncredited quotes, as explained above. Of course, his correctness is pret ;) ty irrelevant, as we were talking about light duty trucks the size of hd's, not commercial heavy ;) duty trucks.;) See my post:
Quote from: Rupert on July 02, 2011, 03:34:13 PM
"There are no government regulations on non-commercial vehicle roof-mount lighting."
I can put quotes around random statements, too. :huh:
At any rate, my original question could be rephrased as, "is there any reason for those lights on these trucks, other than to look cool?". The answer is, apparently, no.
;) ;) ;) ;) etc