No poll, too convoluted
Say you have a family w/2 young kids, and 2 driving + working adults. Could one of those adults have a 2 seat car w/o complicating things? For you guys with families... what's the deal?
I think it can totally happen.
But, there needs to be a trade off. Obviously the 2 seater will benefit one more than the other so the one that is kind of being shitted on should get something more somewhere else in the relationship.
It would take some planning, and your SO would have to be able to drive the car when/if you need to use the other one.
Wait, you don't have kids. Not much planning then I guess.
I have yet to see a family with that sort of setup. When the "mommymobile" is in the shop, a backup is needed. Which is why more often than not I see a minivan paired with a sedan.
If the 2 seater's a project/play/race car, that's a different story. But for shared family duties, a 2 seater simply isn't practical.
the biggest problem I'd imagine is that most females don't want to bother driving stickshift. And other than a Mercedes SL, having an automatic 2-seater is kinda pointless to me.
Quote from: L. ed foote on June 23, 2011, 12:54:59 PM
I have yet to see a family with that sort of setup. When the "mommymobile" is in the shop, a backup is needed.
Damn it, very good point. Scratch that idea. So at best a 3 vehicle home. Aw forget it.
I dunno. Stickshifts and females are making a comeback. I see a lot of non-stereotypes when I load stuff into people's cars:
Late 50's black woman with a handicap placard - 5MT Saturn Astra 5-door
Late 50's overweight black woman, also with a handicap placard - 5MT Chrysler PT
Mid 40's Older white woman - FWD 5-speed Escape
Early 50's older white woman - FWD 5-speed Sportage
Late 40's older white woman - 5-speed Mazda 3 Hatch, with JDM Axela badges
I sold my neon to a guy who bought it for his wife, and that car was also a 5-speed.
I have only ever seen this setup in a 3 car family. I know I could never make it work because I need to pick up the kids quite a bit. Also, my wife has already said that it wouldn't be fair that I get a sports car and she gets stuck with the SUV. In fact, she got downright pissed off at the very suggestion.
It's a bad idea... won't work out at all. You will be caught on a day where you need to take more than another passenger and you'll be fucked.
Hell I bitch endlessly about having a 2 seater as a 20 year old college student... add a family to that and no way that'll work out, even with another car.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 23, 2011, 01:24:32 PM
I have only ever seen this setup in a 3 car family. I know I could never make it work because I need to pick up the kids quite a bit. Also, my wife has already said that it wouldn't be fair that I get a sports car and she gets stuck with the SUV. In fact, she got downright pissed off at the very suggestion.
She is only mildly accepting of a Charger R/T because she wants a fun car too. I tried to tell her it drives like shit and that it only "looks" fun. She glared at me and said, "Do you think I'm fucking stupid?"
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 23, 2011, 12:59:42 PM
the biggest problem I'd imagine is that most females don't want to bother driving stickshift. And other than a Mercedes SL, having an automatic 2-seater is kinda pointless to me.
I would wager that most people don't like to drive stickshifts. I would hazard to guess the issue is that family women wouldn't want to drive 2-seaters, be they auto or manuals.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 23, 2011, 01:14:17 PM
Damn it, very good point. Scratch that idea. So at best a 3 vehicle home. Aw forget it.
It's not that bad when you think of it. I used to carry 2 cars on my policy, so it's feasible that you can carry another car with another person on the policy.
Well my future wife will have to put up with me having a 2 seater. The Road will not be going anywhere just because I got married.
(Maybe that can be an excuse to get '63 Impala or something, you know, a family car! :lol: )
Not quite the same thing, but I know of some 2-car families where the guy drives a single-cab pickup.
And there are 1-car families. Although they probably wouldn't choose that if they have the option, obviously 2 is better than 1.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 23, 2011, 01:27:30 PM
She is only mildly accepting of a Charger R/T because she wants a fun car too. I tried to tell her it drives like shit and that it only "looks" fun. She glared at me and said, "Do you think I'm fucking stupid?"
And the Charger works, because it's a 4DSD. :praise:
I plan on going the 2DD, 1 play car route myself, when I tie the knot. Or I just may get a fun DD. With all the relatively cheap speed to be found out there, I don't know if I'll ever go with a project car again, unless it were a track toy.
I also tried telling her that her kitchen cost $37,000 and a Charger is less than that. That didn't go over well either.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 23, 2011, 01:32:33 PM
Well my future wife will have to put up with me having a 2 seater. The Road will not be going anywhere just because I got married.
(Maybe that can be an excuse to get '63 Impala or something, you know, a family car! :lol: )
Same, if I ever get married, Miata isn't going anywhere.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 23, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
Same, if I ever get married, Miata isn't going anywhere.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 23, 2011, 01:25:39 PM
Hell I bitch endlessly about having a 2 seater as a 20 year old college student...
Lol
3 cars could work. Sports car, family car, automatic spare. 3.5 4th gen Maxima.... w/the 6th gen 5AT... and Works Bell paddles... that would be pretty rad.
Are there any fun cheap automatic FWD cars? Volvo maybe?
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 23, 2011, 12:44:49 PM
No poll, too convoluted
Say you have a family w/2 young kids, and 2 driving + working adults. Could one of those adults have a 2 seat car w/o complicating things? For you guys with families... what's the deal?
We do it, but we have 5 cars.
The red fleet:
1969 Jaguar E-type
1995 Miata
2006 Mazda3
2007 Mazda6
The green fleet:
1999 Buick Century.
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 23, 2011, 12:59:42 PM
the biggest problem I'd imagine is that most females don't want to bother driving stickshift. And other than a Mercedes SL, having an automatic 2-seater is kinda pointless to me.
My wife won't have an automatic. She enjoys driving a car with a manual transmission.
Can you do it? I'm sure you could. But will you do it? No, because the wife won't like it in the end.
Just don't have kids and you can have all kinds of nice things.
I'll have two or three cars before I get married. I'll always have something fun.
Quote from: MrH on June 23, 2011, 03:39:25 PM
I'll have two or three cars before I get married. I'll always have something fun.
When you start having kids and the wife wants stuff then a few of those cars will be gone.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 23, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
When you start having kids and the wife wants stuff then a few of those cars will be gone.
He didn't say he would have em all at the same time. And every husband isn't his wife's bitch. There's a diff between reasonable compromise & total domination I'm not sure you understand
This is why you make the sports car an RX-8
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 23, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
He didn't say he would have em all at the same time. And every husband isn't his wife's bitch. There's a diff between reasonable compromise & total domination I'm not sure you understand
Oh, I "get" it. But you don't see "it" very much these days.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 23, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
He didn't say he would have em all at the same time. And every husband isn't his wife's bitch. There's a diff between reasonable compromise & total domination I'm not sure you understand
making personal sacrifices to ensure the financial stability of your family =! being dominated by a woman
Kids cost a lot of money/effort/time, even when everything goes right. Throw in a few illnesses or emergencies here and there, and it can become astronomical. That's why it's called sacrifice.
"Jimmy needs his booster shots and some new clothes."
"Fuck you Bitch. I do what I want, and I want a Ferrari."
Quote from: Onslaught on June 23, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
When you start having kids and the wife wants stuff then a few of those cars will be gone.
Any woman who can't put up with me having two cars, isn't one I want to marry. Sorry, comes with the territory of dating me. I have two cars right now :huh:
Quote from: Tave on June 23, 2011, 06:09:22 PM
making personal sacrifices to ensure the financial stability of your family =! being dominated by a woman
Kids cost a lot of money/effort/time, even when everything goes right. Throw in a few illnesses or emergencies here and there, and it can become astronomical. That's why it's called sacrifice.
"Jimmy needs his booster shots and some new clothes."
"Fuck you Bitch. I do what I want, and I want a Ferrari."
What does this have to do with what I said?
Onslaught suggested that when "the wife" wants something, my wants would go out the window. Obviously sacrifices have to be made... hence the thread.... but like I said there's a difference between that and what I think Onslaught was driving at.
Quote from: MrH on June 23, 2011, 06:48:51 PM
Any woman who can't put up with me having two cars, isn't one I want to marry. Sorry, comes with the territory of dating me. I have two cars right now :huh:
If you make enough money to buy the cars and still give her the life she wants then it will work. But if you don't make enough money to give her the stuff she wants then it won't.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 23, 2011, 01:55:26 PM
Lol
3 cars could work. Sports car, family car, automatic spare. 3.5 4th gen Maxima.... w/the 6th gen 5AT... and Works Bell paddles... that would be pretty rad.
Are there any fun cheap automatic FWD cars? Volvo maybe?
S40 sucks.
Mazda 3.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 23, 2011, 07:20:35 PM
If you make enough money to buy the cars and still give her the life she wants then it will work. But if you don't make enough money to give her the stuff she wants then it won't.
If you let a woman dominate you, what kind of a man are you?
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 08:41:54 PM
S40 sucks.
Mazda 3.
Mazda 3 with an automatic sucks.
Regal GS.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 23, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
What does this have to do with what I said?
Certain things are inevitable. Onslaught was being half serious and half sarcastic, but he was right in that things will inevitably change once you marry a girl and start popping out little squirts.
Quote from: MrH on June 23, 2011, 06:48:51 PM
Any woman who can't put up with me having two cars, isn't one I want to marry. Sorry, comes with the territory of dating me. I have two cars right now :huh:
I don't think you understand his point.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 08:43:01 PM
If you let a woman dominate you, what kind of a man are you?
Neither do you.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 08:44:05 PM
Mazda 3 with an automatic sucks.
Regal GS.
Yeah, that sound awesome.
Even the new Verano with the likely 2.0T sounds nice.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 08:43:01 PM
If you let a woman dominate you, what kind of a man are you?
I don't let them dominate me. That's why I'm single. ;)
But many men do let them.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 08:46:06 PM
Yeah, that sound awesome.
Even the new Verano with the likely 2.0T sounds nice.
Does that really sound awesome? I don't think they sound awesome.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
Does that really sound awesome? I don't think they sound awesome.
It's an Opel Astra for Buick.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 08:59:20 PM
It's an Opel Astra for Buick.
(http://cdn.vflyer.com/r2/prodinsts/3/7/5/2/4/3/1/images/11992637_max.jpg)
Yup. Looks just like an Astra.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 09:01:50 PM
(http://cdn.vflyer.com/r2/prodinsts/3/7/5/2/4/3/1/images/11992637_max.jpg)
Yup. Looks just like an Astra.
The new Regal GS makes 270HP from a 2.0L Turbo.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 09:12:29 PM
The new Regal GS makes 270HP from a 2.0L Turbo.
Is that a 2012 model or something?
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 09:24:32 PM
Yes.
It's not cheap, though. The criteria for this discussion is strictly fun cheap automatic FWD cars.
GTI with the flappy paddle thingy
You speak like you know this from experience. I totally get it. Things change when you get married. But I'm going to be a car dork regardless. Having two cars is not totally unreasonable. I'm willing to make a ton of sacrifices. Handing in my keys to something fun isn't one of them.
Quote from: MrH on June 23, 2011, 09:43:23 PM
You speak like you know this from experience. I totally get it. Things change when you get married. But I'm going to be a car dork regardless. Having two cars is not totally unreasonable. I'm willing to make a ton of sacrifices. Handing in my keys to something fun isn't one of them.
Such is why sports sedans were created.
I always find it amusing when people who have never been married speak about it as if they know what they're talking about.
Quote from: Tave on June 23, 2011, 08:45:26 PM
Certain things are inevitable. Onslaught was being half serious and half sarcastic, but he was right in that things will inevitably change once you marry a girl and start popping out little squirts.
When we had my daughter, I voluntarily sold my Mustang so that I could have a vehicle more suited to having kids. That's what marriage is about...compromise, from both parties. My wife doesn't want to drive an SUV (she wants a Miata), but she drives an Explorer. Both of us would love to drop 5 large on a holiday to Europe, but instead we go camping in our tent trailer. I also wouldn't have it any other way if it meant not having kids.
Quote from: MrH on June 23, 2011, 06:48:51 PM
Any woman who can't put up with me having two cars, isn't one I want to marry. Sorry, comes with the territory of dating me. I have two cars right now :huh:
It's not when you get married, it's when the kids come and you need the extra money you are spending on your fun car for diapers. That's when it changes.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 23, 2011, 10:32:17 PM
When we had my daughter, I voluntarily sold my Mustang so that I could have a vehicle more suited to having kids. That's what marriage is about...compromise, from both parties. My wife doesn't want to drive an SUV (she wants a Miata), but she drives an Explorer. Both of us would love to drop 5 large on a holiday to Europe, but instead we go camping in our tent trailer. I also wouldn't have it any other way if it meant not having kids.
I don't see what is so impossible about having a Mustang with a kid or two. It might not be easy, but people do it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 10:36:45 PM
I don't see what is so impossible about having a Mustang with a kid or two. It might not be easy, but people do it.
Have you seen the crazy car seats that the government forces people to buy? Those things are practically bigger than the cars themselves. I don't blame parents for wanting dedicated doors to shoehorn those monoliths in into their cars.
Quote from: Laconian on June 23, 2011, 10:39:25 PM
Have you seen the crazy car seats that the government forces people to buy? Those things are practically bigger than the cars themselves. I don't blame parents for wanting dedicated doors to shoehorn those monoliths in into their cars.
They make them for race cars
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Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 10:36:45 PM
I don't see what is so impossible about having a Mustang with a kid or two. It might not be easy, but people do it.
Car seats are so big that my wife had to sit in the back seat of our Olds Alero sedan because we had to slide the front passenger seat almost as far forward as it would go.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 10:43:38 PM
They make them for race cars
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/productImages/5/0/00000118750-GracoUltraCarGoBoosterCarSeatinSimpsonRacing8487SMP-large.jpeg)
Can I dress my babby up in logos from household brands, like he's an officially sponsored pro pooper?
Quote from: SVT666 on June 23, 2011, 11:48:25 PM
Car seats are so big that my wife had to sit in the back seat of our Olds Alero sedan because we had to slide the front passenger seat almost as far forward as it would go.
My friend's Fit actually turned out pretty well for baby duty. The doors have special hinges that allow the doors to be opened 90 degrees (maybe a little more???) It's insane.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 10:36:45 PM
I don't see what is so impossible about having a Mustang with a kid or two. It might not be easy, but people do it.
That's why people don't do it. You see when you get older you won't put up with the shit you would as a young person. I know everyone of you guys thinks "that won't happen to me!" But it will. Trust me.
And unless you have the best wife in the world she won't put up with having to pull a kid in and out of a Mustang too. And I want you to trust me on this, if a wife isn't happy about something then you
won't be happy about it too.
I don't have a wife but I've been around long enough to know that this is true. I've had a girlfriend for 5-6 years and lived with her for 4 so I get the small version of this everyday.
As for some of the stuff I say, it's just to egg on some of the young people in here who have a little too rosy view relationships. While some of what I say is true, I blow it out of proportion. Just a little.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 23, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
I always find it amusing when people who have never been married speak about it as if they know what they're talking about.
Well it can't be
that funny; you just confirmed what Onslaught and I were telling them! :huh: :lol:
I don't claim to be an expert on marriage, but I think I know a little bit more about it than some of these younger guys, given that I'm old enough to where I have a lot of married friends and a lot of friends with children. You learn some things about marriage from them that you never learned from your parents.
:hesaid:
I'm 37 and almost all my guy friends have been around me from the 4th grade on. I'm the last one without a wife and half of them have kids. They all still live down the road from me too and I see them every Friday. So I see and here what it's like. Some of it's good and some not so much. But take my long term relationships, talking with friends and my parents and being around people and I can say I have a good idea what it's like.
I'm sure I don't know it all. But I've got a better idea then some of the kids on this site.
Who is putting car seats in Mustangs? :wtf:
If you had a family hauler why would you ever take the car seats out of it? I don't understand. My parents switched them, but that was because for some reason up till about '95 my mom always had the smaller car, so when the family traveled w/my baby sister we would put the car seat in my dad's car. Would have made more sense for the family to have a minivan- which we eventually got. Now in the rare occasion that my family travels together, we all jump in the RX. My dad could easily have bought a sports car once we were in school.
Plus its not like each person would have to be limited to only one car. I have no probs driving a minivan, I'd hope my gf would embrace the joys of driving stick and enjoying driving as well. Yea things would change but you guys are taking things to unrealistic extremes.
I'm 28, I have 2 older married sisters and a shit load of uncles, aunts and family friends.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 23, 2011, 10:36:45 PM
I don't see what is so impossible about having a Mustang with a kid or two. It might not be easy, but people do it.
Try moving them in and out of that cramped back seat, or check the lack of trunk space for their stuff...
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 24, 2011, 06:08:21 AM
I'd hope my gf would embrace the joys of driving stick and enjoying driving as well.
How good of a driver is she now?
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 24, 2011, 06:08:21 AM
Who is putting car seats in Mustangs? :wtf:
No one, evidently.
QuotePlus its not like each person would have to be limited to only one car. I have no probs driving a minivan, I'd hope my gf would embrace the joys of driving stick and enjoying driving as well. Yea things would change but you guys are taking things to unrealistic extremes.
By saying things change when you get married?
I specifically avoided making any blanket statements, and Onslaught admitted he's half-joking. I don't see any extremists in this thread.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 24, 2011, 06:09:51 AM
I'm 28, I have 2 older married sisters and a shit load of uncles, aunts and family friends.
I was talking more about MrH, 2o6, thecarnut, and hodrodalex. I think you know exactly what we're talking about, but for some reason you got all bent out of shape when Onslaught started cracking jokes.
FWIW, I know plenty of married people with cool cars and fun toys, but a lot of them also scraped by and did without when they first got married and were trying to get on their feet.
I could have said it more bluntly, but my main point was that it's not about what your wife wants versus what you want: it's about what you both want for your family. Some of these guys are going to learn what they "want" changes when they take on other responsibilities. That's not to say that they won't still enjoy cars, won't own cool cars, won't continue to be a hobbyist, etc...
Quote from: L. ed foote on June 24, 2011, 06:27:07 AM
How good of a driver is she now?
I haven't seen her in action in the city, but on the highway she is a much better driver than me. Plays the balance between aggression and safety much better.
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 06:28:42 AM
I could have said it more bluntly, but my main point was that it's not about what your wife wants versus what you want: it's about what you both want for your family. Some of these guys are going to learn what they "want" changes when they take on other responsibilities. That's not to say that they won't still enjoy cars, won't own cool cars, won't continue to be a hobbyist, etc...
I do agree that the younger guys are being a bit naively rigid. People need to directly address who & what they are responding to.
But I really don't even want do have to daily drive a car I don't enjoy. And I'm hoping my cars in the future are all nicer than the ones I've had.
Thank you Tave. You get it.
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 05:49:47 AM
Well it can't be that funny; you just confirmed what Onslaught and I were telling them! :huh: :lol:
I don't claim to be an expert on marriage, but I think I know a little bit more about it than some of these younger guys, given that I'm old enough to where I have a lot of married friends and a lot of friends with children. You learn some things about marriage from them that you never learned from your parents.
Who said I was referring to you?
I'm referring to the guys saying things like, "I won't marry anyone who won't let me have two cars", or "men who sell their cool cars are controlled by their wives and I will never let that happen to me", and all that other nonsense. Sure there are some men who let their wives control them....and vice versa, but not every man who sells his sports car when a kid arrives is doing it because he was told...they do it because if they don't it makes life hell trying to live with a sports car in a 2 car family with kids. It doesn't work and that is why you never see it. Not because the man is controlled by his wife.
Gotcha.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2011, 01:22:06 PM
I dunno. Stickshifts and females are making a comeback. I see a lot of non-stereotypes when I load stuff into people's cars:
Late 50's black woman with a handicap placard - 5MT Saturn Astra 5-door
Late 50's overweight black woman, also with a handicap placard - 5MT Chrysler PT
Mid 40's Older white woman - FWD 5-speed Escape
Early 50's older white woman - FWD 5-speed Sportage
Late 40's older white woman - 5-speed Mazda 3 Hatch, with JDM Axela badges
I sold my neon to a guy who bought it for his wife, and that car was also a 5-speed.
Loaded mulch for a lady in her late 30's, early 40's
New Fiesta Sedan 5MT, uplevel SEL with leather.
I like driving the vette but even as a single guy w/ a dog it was getting to be a pain, especially once I bought a house.
In the case of a 2 car household w/ a kid, you're either going to have to make the 2-seater a third car or compromise and get a fun 4-door like a 3-series.
Me I think I'll always have a fun car but will also have 2 cars just for me (if I was married we'd have to have 3 or more cars).
Quote from: Lebowski on June 24, 2011, 09:56:21 AM
I like driving the vette but even as a single guy w/ a dog it was getting to be a pain, especially once I bought a house.
In the case of a 2 car household w/ a kid, you're either going to have to make the 2-seated a third car or compromise and get a fun 4-door like a 3-series.
Me I think I'll always have a fun car but will also have 2 cars just for me (if I was married we'd have to have 3 or more cars).
What is your other car?
Quote from: 2o6 on June 24, 2011, 09:52:04 AM
Loaded mulch for a lady in her late 30's, early 40's
New Fiesta Sedan 5MT, uplevel SEL with leather.
Do you think it's a coincidence that all those women are over than the age of 40?
Stickshifts aren't making a comeback; you're simply running across people who learned how to drive during the 70s, when stickshifts were common.
If it was making a comeback, you'd be seeing young girls driving stick, not older women.
Well, come to think of it, there were quite a few girls at my HS who drove stickshift; they were mostly hand-me-down 1980's BMW's, or new MkIV Jettas that mommy and daddy bought them. The thing is, that when they buy their own cars, they're almost always automatics. Hell, my sister changed her mind on buying my old NA Miata because she thought that driving stickshift was too much of a hassle.
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
Do you think it's a coincidence that all those women are over than the age of 40?
Stickshifts aren't making a comeback; you're simply running across people who learned how to drive during the 70s, when stickshifts were common.
If it was making a comeback, you'd be seeing young girls driving stick, not older women.
The lady who bought my Neon was only a few years older than me.
My dad has always had either a project car or two cars. He had a Chevelle when my parents first got married, then sold it to get another Chevelle which was in worse shape for DD/family duty (much more racecar than DD), and then there was a line of 2 door sport coupes, including a BMW 6 series when my brother was born. His next car was his Camaro, which he kept when he bought his next car (Jeep Cherokee) and thus has had two cars ever since. I believe he has only had two 4 door cars, one of the Jeeps and his current BMW.
I will say that part of it was because my parents didn't have kids until they were 30, but I plan on doing the same if I can. (I'd rather be married for a few years and enjoy the company of my wife than start poppin out kids right after the honeymoon and never have alone time with my wife until I'm 50)
Quote from: L. ed foote on June 24, 2011, 06:24:12 AM
Try moving them in and out of that cramped back seat, or check the lack of trunk space for their stuff...
I had two full child seats in the Mustang Cobra, you don't need to take the seats out all the time, you put 'em in there and they stay. For the record, it was fine with two small kids, hell they liked it, and if you are in reasonable shape, it isn't so hard to get them in and out. Even now they like rides in the cobra, as of now, there is one car seat in the cobra for situations where I need to be somehwere with one and and the wife with the other. While the family hauler (7-seat commander) has the other cars seats all the time.
It can be done and it isn't that bad but I wouldn't want to do a long trip.
Actually I find the need for more room as they get bigger they have activities with friends and you are a douche if you aren't doing your share of the driving. At this point, it seems 4 seaters are not enough.
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 06:28:42 AM
No one, evidently.
By saying things change when you get married?
I specifically avoided making any blanket statements, and Onslaught admitted he's half-joking. I don't see any extremists in this thread.
I was talking more about MrH, 2o6, thecarnut, and hodrodalex. I think you know exactly what we're talking about, but for some reason you got all bent out of shape when Onslaught started cracking jokes.
FWIW, I know plenty of married people with cool cars and fun toys, but a lot of them also scraped by and did without when they first got married and were trying to get on their feet.
I could have said it more bluntly, but my main point was that it's not about what your wife wants versus what you want: it's about what you both want for your family. Some of these guys are going to learn what they "want" changes when they take on other responsibilities. That's not to say that they won't still enjoy cars, won't own cool cars, won't continue to be a hobbyist, etc...
:wtf: I'm closer in age to you than I am to most of them.
If having a few thousand tied up in a second car is a make or break for having kids, I'm in no position financially to be having kids. You have no idea who I am or what I value to be saying that it's a given I'll be trading in my keys for a minivan when I have kids. I'll always drive something fun. It will probably be in the form of 2 cars, one being horribly impractical. Doesn't need to be a Ferrari either.
Quote from: MrH on June 24, 2011, 03:37:59 PM
:wtf: I'm closer in age to you than I am to most of them.
If having a few thousand tied up in a second car is a make or break for having kids, I'm in no position financially to be having kids. You have no idea who I am or what I value to be saying that it's a given I'll be trading in my keys for a minivan when I have kids. I'll always drive something fun. It will probably be in the form of 2 cars, one being horribly impractical. Doesn't need to be a Ferrari either.
I actually agree with you for once. :mask:
But yeah, if I need to trade a car for diapers or something I think I'd rather not have kids and wait till I'm at a more financially stable point to have kids.
Quote from: MrH on June 24, 2011, 03:37:59 PM
:wtf: I'm closer in age to you than I am to most of them.
If having a few thousand tied up in a second car is a make or break for having kids, I'm in no position financially to be having kids. You have no idea who I am or what I value to be saying that it's a given I'll be trading in my keys for a minivan when I have kids. I'll always drive something fun. It will probably be in the form of 2 cars, one being horribly impractical. Doesn't need to be a Ferrari either.
:rolleyes:
"That's not to say that they won't still enjoy cars, won't own cool cars, won't continue to be a hobbyist, etc..."
The point is even you don't know what you value or what you can afford until you're put in that situation. No one does. It's something that you have to figure out as it unfolds.
For all my sports car lust, I think I would drive a civilian car if it meant being able to have a kid right now. We are ready emotionally but the pieces aren't in place. However, it would be nice to have the cake, and also eat the cake. E46 M3 maybe
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
I actually agree with you for once. :mask:
But yeah, if I need to trade a car for diapers or something I think I'd rather not have kids and wait till I'm at a more financially stable point to have kids.
You're not getting it, the diapers comment was a joke. It's not that simple.
Here's a hypothetical:
What if things are going along fine financially, but then a couple expenses arise within a 6month-1year span that you didn't plan on: your hot water heater dies sooner than it was supposed to, your daughter gets pneumonia and spends a couple days in the hospital, your fence is damaged in a storm, and your wife decides to cut back her hours at work while she tries to find a better-paying job.
Now, you're not insolvent or anything--you can still afford to pay your bills and put food on the table--but things have gotten a bit tighter since everything happened. Between the repairs on the house, the cost of the hospital visit your insurance didn't cover, and your current net earnings, you're simply in a different position than you were. You start thinking: you were planning on getting braces for your son next year and taking the kids to see their grandparents for a couple weeks during the summer. You know you can cover everything, but it is going to eat into your cushion a little more than you'd like it to.
Then one day, a friend comes along and offers to buy your old Miata off of you. You love the car, but to be honest, you haven't been driving it as often as you used to, and it needs a little work to get into the type of shape you wish it was in. Also, the clutch is going out and it'll cost you $1000 to replace it. You talk with your friend, and he's willing to pay a little more than it's worth because he's always wanted a Miata, and he'd rather buy it from someone he knows who knows what it needs.
You think, "Ha, well this will work out perfectly! We can still take that vacation next summer and I won't have to move money out of savings. I wasn't enjoying driving that old thing all that much anyway; I think I'd rather save up and buy something in the future that's a little cooler."
You eventually do get something else, but not until some time passes.
Please tell me that isn't a perfectly plausible, mundane, completely understandable scenario. I'd love to hear you try.
Tave, the knower of the universe.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
I actually agree with you for once. :mask:
But yeah, if I need to trade a car for diapers or something I think I'd rather not have kids and wait till I'm at a more financially stable point to have kids.
If you wait until you have enough in the bank before having kids...you will never have kids.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 24, 2011, 05:40:05 PM
Tave, the knower of the universe.
The only prognosticators in this thread are the guys claiming to know how many and what type of car they're going to drive at some indefinite point in the future when they're living a completely different life than they are now.
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 05:37:57 PM
You're not getting it, the diapers comment was a joke. It's not that simple.
Here's a hypothetical:
What if things are going along fine financially, but then a couple expenses arise within a 6month-1year span that you didn't plan on: your hot water heater dies sooner than it was supposed to, your daughter gets pneumonia and spends a couple days in the hospital, your fence is damaged in a storm, and your wife decides to cut back her hours at work while she tries to find a better-paying job.
Now, you're not insolvent or anything--you can still afford to pay your bills and put food on the table--but things have gotten a bit tighter since everything happened. Between the repairs on the house, the cost of the hospital visit your insurance didn't cover, and your current net earnings, you're simply in a different position than you were. You start thinking: you were planning on getting braces for your son next year and taking the kids to see their grandparents for a couple weeks during the summer. You know you cover everything, but it is going to eat into your cushion a little more than you'd like it to.
Then one day, a friend comes along and offers to buy your old Miata off of you. You love the car, but to be honest, you haven't been driving it as often as you used to, and it needs a little work to get into the type of shape you wish it was in. Also, the clutch is going out and it'll cost you $1000 to replace it. You talk with your friend, and he's willing to pay a little more than it's worth because he's always wanted a Miata, and he'd rather buy it from someone he knows who knows what it needs.
You think, "Ha, well this will work out perfectly! We can still take that vacation next summer and I won't have to move money out of savings. I wasn't enjoying driving that old thing all that much anyway; I think I'd rather save up and buy something in the future that's a little cooler."
You eventually do get something else, but not until some time passes.
Please tell me that isn't a perfectly plausible, mundane, completely understandable scenario. I'd love to hear you try.
Sure, that's perfectly plausible and I'm not going to deny that. But that's assuming I'm not using the car as a DD, or a as a track toy every weekend, or that I'm just letting it sit around. At that point, yeah I'd sell the car, just as I'd sell anything else that was just sitting around, not being used. I do it now, even. If I'm not using it for what it's worth, it's better off to me as money in the bank.
However, if it's my DD, in good condition, why would I sell it? It's paid for, gets good gas mileage, etc. I'd cut down on other things first (not going out to eat so often, not spending money to hang out with buddies, not getting a new computer and tough it out with the old one for a while longer, etc). When times get tough, why automatically go and sell your car? As a last resort, sure, but if it's getting used a lot, there are many other things I would cut down on first before cutting out a paid off car. It's all about priorities. Cutting back doesn't always mean cutting out the car.
And I know I'm young but I also know people who've kept the car as well as the kids. They just cut something else out somewhere. It's not like the 3rd car is the only luxury item in the family.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 24, 2011, 05:48:14 PM
If you wait until you have enough in the bank before having kids...you will never have kids.
So you're saying it's financially impossible to not go into debt while having kids? :confused:
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
Sure, that's perfectly plausible and I'm not going to deny that. But that's assuming I'm not using the car as a DD, or a as a track toy every weekend, or that I'm just letting it sit around. At that point, yeah I'd sell the car, just as I'd sell anything else that was just sitting around, not being used. I do it now, even. If I'm not using it for what it's worth, it's better off to me as money in the bank.
However, if it's my DD, in good condition, why would I sell it? It's paid for, gets good gas mileage, etc. I'd cut down on other things first (not going out to eat so often, not spending money to hang out with buddies, not getting a new computer and tough it out with the old one for a while longer, etc). When times get tough, why automatically go and sell your car? As a last resort, sure, but if it's getting used a lot, there are many other things I would cut down on first before cutting out a paid off car. It's all about priorities. Cutting back doesn't always mean cutting out the car.
And I know I'm young but I also know people who've kept the car as well as the kids. They just cut something else out somewhere. It's not like the 3rd car is the only luxury item in the family.
You aren't getting my point. Whether you keep the car or not is irrelevant. Whether you're using it as a DD doesn't matter.
The broader lesson is that you don't know what life is going to bring you until it happens.
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 05:58:01 PM
You aren't getting my point. Whether you keep the car or not is irrelevant. Whether you're using it as a DD doesn't matter.
The broader lesson is that you don't know what life is going to bring you until it happens.
OK, what I'm asking is, why should the car be the first to go? There are many other things that can be let go first before the car. It's what you prioritize. Yes, ultimately, I'd let go of the car if I had to, but I'd cut out other, less important (to me) things like buying myself new clothes, eating out, etc.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
So you're saying it's financially impossible to not go into debt while having kids? :confused:
He's saying it's financially improbable to pay for a kid before he or she is born. He's pointing out that you have to work for years to afford a kid, while you're raising that child.
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 06:00:34 PM
He's saying it's financially improbable to pay for a kid before it's born. He's pointing out that you have to work for years to afford a kid, while you're raising him or her.
Well, yeah, it's not like I'd immediately stop working after having kids... :confused:
I guess I am missing his/your point.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 06:02:13 PM
Well, yeah, it's not like I'd immediately stop working after having kids... :confused:
I guess I am missing his/your point.
Let me put it this way,
Do you know how much money you will make, save, and spend over the next 50 years, and do you know much money your kids will cost to raise?
For most people, you never know if you can "afford" a child. You have a general idea of whether you're in a good position or a bad position, but that is subject to change, sometimes completely out of your control.
To all of you guys with kids I was thinking about this today and perhaps you can help me with it. I'm sure this will sound over the top.
If you're a parent should you want a sports car? What I mean is, as soon as you've got a child then he/she is your number one responsibility in the world. Your life is devoted to taking care of the child and making sure that it's got everything needed in life until it's old enough to go out on his/her own. Or if you're a parent that's worth a shit that's how it is.
So driving around in a Mustang or whatever with a kids seat in the back would be torture. Here you've got a fast car and for the love of God I'd think you wouldn't drive it in a "Sporty" way with your defenseless child in the back seat. So what's the point of it?
And should you drive it in a "sporty" way even if the kid isn't in it? What if you fuck up and crash and can't work for some time and put food on the table? What if you get killed and the kid won't have a dad. Sure these things could happen to you in a Camry too. Just driving like a grandpa from work and some kid in a Honda with a fart can plows into you. Anything can happen.
But you must admit that driving a sports car/sedan and getting any real feeling of fun out of them means taking it past the point that's normal legal or safe on public roads. And doing so increases the chances of you fucking up.
So you'll just take it out on track days? Well how often do you really do that? Sounds great but most people I know don't do it all that much. And you can still get hurt or worse doing it. Not a very good chance of that but I've seen it happen before.
I'm not sure if I'm suggesting that a parent shouldn't have any kind of life. But I was wondering if these things come to mind after you've had a kid? To tell you the truth us kid-less people shouldn't drive in too much of a fun way too. We could be the ones running into someones family car. But if I go out on a track day and wrap the RX-8 around a tree then it will only hurt my parents and brother. If a dad did it then his kid would be hurt more.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 06:00:08 PM
OK, what I'm asking is, why should the car be the first to go? There are many other things that can be let go first before the car. It's what you prioritize. Yes, ultimately, I'd let go of the car if I had to, but I'd cut out other, less important (to me) things like buying myself new clothes, eating out, etc.
That was just one of an infinite number of scenarios. Yours is probable as well. Like I said, I know people who had cool cars growing up, and I'm not saying you won't. I'm just saying you won't really know one way or the other until it happens. That's life.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 24, 2011, 05:48:14 PM
If you wait until you have enough in the bank before having kids...you will never have kids.
this will probably be me
Quote from: Tave on June 24, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
That was just one of an infinite number of scenarios. Yours is probable as well. Like I said, I know people who had cool cars growing up, and I'm not saying you won't. I'm just saying you won't really know one way or the other until it happens. That's life.
Yeah, I agree that you don't really know what'll happen until it happens, but it sounds like some of you guys (mainly SVT666) are saying that as soon as you get married and have a kid, the car is gone.
My only comment originally was that I wouldn't let my wife sell my car when we get married just because she doesn't like it. Unfortunately I know some people like that too and it kinda pisses me off. I kind of think that's what MrH was implying as well. I don't know how I got roped into this other bullshit.
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 24, 2011, 07:20:31 PM
this will probably be me
I'm banking on my lack of social skills to never get married in the first place. :devil: :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 06:00:08 PM
OK, what I'm asking is, why should the car be the first to go? There are many other things that can be let go first before the car. It's what you prioritize. Yes, ultimately, I'd let go of the car if I had to, but I'd cut out other, less important (to me) things like buying myself new clothes, eating out, etc.
Yea this is a good point. Everyone has their things, they let go of a bunch of them when they have kids.
I'd think it's rather clear why the car would be the first thing to go. Other then your house, a car is normally one of your most expensive possessions. So it would be one of the things you could get the most money for. And a less sporty car would cost much less to keep up. Gas, general up keep and tires cost MUCH less on a family car compared to a sports car.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
I'd think it's rather clear why the car would be the first thing to go. Other then your house, a car is normally one of your most expensive possessions. So it would be one of the things you could get the most money for. And a less sporty car would cost much less to keep up. Gas, general up keep and tires cost MUCH less on a family car compared to a sports car.
Not on something like a Miata. :huh:
If it's a Porsche or Ferrari, or something, then yeah I agree, but at that point you probably shouldn't be owning a sports car like that if you need to sell it due to unforseen circumstances.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
I'd think it's rather clear why the car would be the first thing to go. Other then your house, a car is normally one of your most expensive possessions. So it would be one of the things you could get the most money for. And a less sporty car would cost much less to keep up. Gas, general up keep and tires cost MUCH less on a family car compared to a sports car.
Not necessarily. Miata is a perfect example. Family sedans like Altima 3.5 or Accord V6 have the same big engines/wheels/brakes as some sports cars. RX-8 is supposedly a perfect combo of everything.
Plus obv if an emergency comes up and you need to liquidate a car is obviously something to get rid of. But if you need cash you won't get much money replacing a car, unless you have like a 911 GT3 and downgrade to a '90 Sentra. Plus having a kid shouldn't be an emergency or surprise to begin with. If you can't afford it don't have it.
A lot of sports cars have bottomed out on their depreciation curves. Obv you have to pay insurance + gas + maintenance but that's a given for any car. Point being the case can be made to keep a cheapish sports car once you have it.
I grew up in the back if a Monte Carlo SS. I don't know how I survived with two doors and such a modest
backseat.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 24, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
I grew up in the back if a Monte Carlo SS. I don't know how I survived with two doors and such a modest
backseat.
I grew up in the back of an '83 Mazda GLC. It must have stunted my growth. I would have been 8'6" otherwise. :rage:
First of all I'm drunk, so forgive me.
But I thought we're talking about having just two cars. One a family car like a Mazda6 or Camry and the other a sports car/sedan for dad.
How did the Miata come into this? Did we not already say that having a pure two seat car as the only back up was illogical? What if the other car
is in the shop? What if the wife calls and says she needs you to pick up the kid from daycare?
So you can't have something like the Miata (by the way, not having a Miata is evil) as your second car. It's got to be something like an RX-8 or 3 series.
And those cost much more to keep up then something like an MX-5 or MR-2 Spyder.
I could be off on this because I've been hitting the Gentleman Jack rather hard.
I said hard.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 08:22:51 PM
I grew up in the back of an '83 Mazda GLC. It must have stunted my growth. I would have been 8'6" otherwise. :rage:
Whatever, I would ride in the back of my dad's 1978 Chevy truck in lawn chairs going to the beach in a 4 1/2 drive. It was fun when he had to stop.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2011, 08:29:45 PM
First of all I'm drunk, so forgive me.
But I thought we're talking about having just two cars. One a family car like a Mazda6 or Camry and the other a sports car/sedan for dad.
How did the Miata come into this? Did we not already say that having a pure two seat car as the only back up was illogical? What if the other car
is in the shop? What if the wife calls and says she needs you to pick up the kid from daycare?
So you can't have something like the Miata (by the way, not having a Miata is evil) as your second car. It's got to be something like an RX-8 or 3 series.
And those cost much more to keep up then something like an MX-5 or MR-2 Spyder.
I could be off on this because I've been hitting the Gentleman Jack rather hard.
I said hard.
I was talking about the Miata as a 3rd car. Gas, maintenance and insurance wouldn't be any more (in fact may be less) than a normal family sedan.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 08:34:07 PM
I was talking about the Miata as a 3rd car. Gas, maintenance and insurance wouldn't be any more (in fact may be less) than a normal family sedan.
Oh, as a 3rd car then ok. My car is cheap as shit. Hell, it cost me less then $2K over 14 years ago.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2011, 08:37:10 PM
Oh, as a 3rd car then ok. My car is cheap as shit. Hell, it cost me less then $2K over 14 years ago.
You got a 7 year old car for less than $2k??
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
You got a 7 year old car for less than $2k??
I have skillz. And it came out of a junk yard. That helped.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 24, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
I grew up in the back if a Monte Carlo SS. I don't know how I survived with two doors and such a modest
backseat.
The back seat of at least the early 2000's Monte is entirely habitable by grown people.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 24, 2011, 09:40:31 PM
The back seat of at least the early 2000's Monte is entirely habitable by grown people.
Pretty sure they didn't have early 2000's Monte Carlos back in the '80's and '90's when Nick was growing up...
Quote from: 68_427 on June 24, 2011, 09:40:31 PM
The back seat of at least the early 2000's Monte is entirely habitable by grown people.
I'm a bit older than that.
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/555/2469/38886234001_large.jpg)
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 09:44:38 PM
Pretty sure they didn't have early 2000's Monte Carlos back in the '80's and '90's when Nick was growing up...
I can't imagine there being much of a size difference.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 24, 2011, 09:45:25 PM
I'm a bit older than that.
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/555/2469/38886234001_large.jpg)
Your parents had a Nascar? :wub:
Quote from: 68_427 on June 24, 2011, 09:46:16 PM
Your parents had a Nascar? :wub:
Yeah, with a "H.O." 305 boat anchor.
Too bad it wasn't an aero coupe. Cus you woulda been going like 200mph anytime you went somewhere.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 24, 2011, 09:56:32 PM
Too bad it wasn't an aero coupe. Cus you woulda been going like 200mph anytime you went somewhere.
Ya I know. My dad says he got it up to 85 once.
Now he'll drive 85 in his SUV without even realizing it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 24, 2011, 10:00:55 PM
Ya I know. My dad says he got it up to 85 once.
Now he'll drive 85 in his SUV without even realizing it.
Maybe because the speedo only showed 85mph? Coulda been like 87mph.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 24, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
Maybe because the speedo only showed 85mph? Coulda been like 87mph.
That is true, it only showed up to 85. Supposedly, the actual top speed was 130.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 24, 2011, 10:12:24 PM
That is true, it only showed up to 85. Supposedly, the actual top speed was 130.
If you drop it from the heavens...
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 07:37:23 PM
My only comment originally was that I wouldn't let my wife sell my car when we get married just because she doesn't like it. Unfortunately I know some people like that too and it kinda pisses me off. I kind of think that's what MrH was implying as well. I don't know how I got roped into this other bullshit.
:hesaid:
I grew up in the back seat of a Chrysler Cordoba and an extended cab pickup. But we also didn't have car seats...oh and once I started growing it was also hell riding in the back seat of those things.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2011, 07:38:44 PM
I'm banking on my lack of social skills to never get married in the first place. :devil: :lol:
I'm hoping to land a D.I.N.K. deal (dual income no kids). I managed to connect with a woman my age who isn't interested in having kids, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping this works out.
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 25, 2011, 12:45:02 AM
I'm hoping to land a D.I.N.K. deal (dual income no kids). I managed to connect with a woman my age who isn't interested in having kids, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping this works out.
Yeah, and in a few years the bio clock will start ticking and she'll go completely baby crazy...
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 25, 2011, 12:45:02 AM
I'm hoping to land a D.I.N.K. deal (dual income no kids). I managed to connect with a woman my age who isn't interested in having kids, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping this works out.
I'm not far from what you want. But let me ask you this. If you don't want kids then why would you put a ring on it in the first place? Just keep all your money and things for you.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 25, 2011, 05:37:53 AM
I'm not far from what you want. But let me ask you this. If you don't want kids then why would you put a ring on it in the first place? Just keep all your money and things for you.
Are you a card carrying member of MGTOW?
Quote from: Laconian on June 25, 2011, 12:58:37 AM
Yeah, and in a few years the bio clock will start ticking and she'll go completely baby crazy...
haha, might as well make the best of those last few years, then
Quote from: Onslaught on June 25, 2011, 05:37:53 AM
I'm not far from what you want. But let me ask you this. If you don't want kids then why would you put a ring on it in the first place? Just keep all your money and things for you.
A few reasons: I'm getting tired of the pursuit. I can't realistically count on having the charm and sophistication of The Most Interesting Man in the World to attract younger attractive women when I'm older. And I don't want to be that creepy old guy in the club trying to pick up girls. Sleeping with the same woman for the rest of your life is preferable to no one at all.
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 25, 2011, 09:13:30 AM
haha, might as well make the best of those last few years, then
A few reasons: I'm getting tired of the pursuit. I can't realistically count on having the charm and sophistication of The Most Interesting Man in the World to attract younger attractive women when I'm older. And I don't want to be that creepy old guy in the club trying to pick up girls. Sleeping with the same woman for the rest of your life is preferable to no one at all.
Ok, just wondering. I've come to the conclusion that not having a woman around at all wouldn't kill me. I'm not saying that it won't happen. But if it never happens then I'll be fine with just me and my cars and electronics.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 25, 2011, 08:34:10 AM
Are you a card carrying member of MGTOW?
I had to look that up. But it sounds like people I'd like to go out and drink and smoke cigars with. And then get a lap dance from an Asian girl.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
To all of you guys with kids I was thinking about this today and perhaps you can help me with it. I'm sure this will sound over the top.
If you're a parent should you want a sports car? What I mean is, as soon as you've got a child then he/she is your number one responsibility in the world. Your life is devoted to taking care of the child and making sure that it's got everything needed in life until it's old enough to go out on his/her own. Or if you're a parent that's worth a shit that's how it is.
So driving around in a Mustang or whatever with a kids seat in the back would be torture. Here you've got a fast car and for the love of God I'd think you wouldn't drive it in a "Sporty" way with your defenseless child in the back seat. So what's the point of it?
And should you drive it in a "sporty" way even if the kid isn't in it? What if you fuck up and crash and can't work for some time and put food on the table? What if you get killed and the kid won't have a dad. Sure these things could happen to you in a Camry too. Just driving like a grandpa from work and some kid in a Honda with a fart can plows into you. Anything can happen.
But you must admit that driving a sports car/sedan and getting any real feeling of fun out of them means taking it past the point that's normal legal or safe on public roads. And doing so increases the chances of you fucking up.
So you'll just take it out on track days? Well how often do you really do that? Sounds great but most people I know don't do it all that much. And you can still get hurt or worse doing it. Not a very good chance of that but I've seen it happen before.
I'm not sure if I'm suggesting that a parent shouldn't have any kind of life. But I was wondering if these things come to mind after you've had a kid? To tell you the truth us kid-less people shouldn't drive in too much of a fun way too. We could be the ones running into someones family car. But if I go out on a track day and wrap the RX-8 around a tree then it will only hurt my parents and brother. If a dad did it then his kid would be hurt more.
These are good points, to sum up your comments, you shouldn't be F'in around when you have kids in the car or take care of.
Truth be told it takes serious self control to keep it under wraps, then again I see minivan drivers doing some pretty aggressive stuff and they are faster/more powerful than mnay performance cars 10-15 years ago.
Father of the year award right here, racing with kid in car, the kid is not even buckled up, I thought for sure he would get out before the race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS4YKWu_uKg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS4YKWu_uKg)
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
To all of you guys with kids I was thinking about this today and perhaps you can help me with it. I'm sure this will sound over the top.
If you're a parent should you want a sports car? What I mean is, as soon as you've got a child then he/she is your number one responsibility in the world. Your life is devoted to taking care of the child and making sure that it's got everything needed in life until it's old enough to go out on his/her own. Or if you're a parent that's worth a shit that's how it is.
So driving around in a Mustang or whatever with a kids seat in the back would be torture. Here you've got a fast car and for the love of God I'd think you wouldn't drive it in a "Sporty" way with your defenseless child in the back seat. So what's the point of it?
And should you drive it in a "sporty" way even if the kid isn't in it? What if you fuck up and crash and can't work for some time and put food on the table? What if you get killed and the kid won't have a dad. Sure these things could happen to you in a Camry too. Just driving like a grandpa from work and some kid in a Honda with a fart can plows into you. Anything can happen.
But you must admit that driving a sports car/sedan and getting any real feeling of fun out of them means taking it past the point that's normal legal or safe on public roads. And doing so increases the chances of you fucking up.
So you'll just take it out on track days? Well how often do you really do that? Sounds great but most people I know don't do it all that much. And you can still get hurt or worse doing it. Not a very good chance of that but I've seen it happen before.
I'm not sure if I'm suggesting that a parent shouldn't have any kind of life. But I was wondering if these things come to mind after you've had a kid? To tell you the truth us kid-less people shouldn't drive in too much of a fun way too. We could be the ones running into someones family car. But if I go out on a track day and wrap the RX-8 around a tree then it will only hurt my parents and brother. If a dad did it then his kid would be hurt more.
The kind of car isn't going to matter. You already made a good point. People will drive fast and retarded in pretty much anything.
Being married with children has altered fun activities a little bit, but you do have to have a bit of a life too. I plan on owning a third vehicle purely built around entertainment ( read: not a family mobile/something fast-entertaining ). I don't do the things I used to do when I was younger, because speeding tickets are just too damned expensive and your personal regard for others increases as you get older. :lol: However, cutting off a part of your life that you truly love will only make you miserable, and that will translate poorly to the rest of your daily life, and the kids/wife will be worse for it.
I still go for long drives and head to car shows around town. My daughter just comes with me. Hell, maybe when she's older, she'll still be into cars.
Onslaught I get what you're saying, but it's kinda silly considering the cars you yourself own and the statistically low chance of getting in a horrific accident. I can't find the fcking articles but the most deadly new car on the road is the 370Z, with something like 140 deaths per million miles driven. That means if I bought a 370Z I'd have a .014% chance of dying, and that's not considering that I'd probably be a more careful driver than the avg young childless dude racing on public streets.
The shitty logistics of a 2 + 5 seat 2 car household are enough to steer me away... but I don't think fear of death is a legit reason. I mean if that is the driving factor then a new 370Z is a better choice than say, an old Volvo, just cause new safety regs have been proven to be effective thru the continuing decline of MVAs/fatalities.
It seems most people who track cars get cheap things that are effective on smaller + cheaper wheels + tires. That's fine with me, I would love a rattle trap 4th gen Prelude as a track toy.
Not much point to my post I guess, other than the conclusion being once kids come into play you need at least 2 cars w/4 seats. Kind of a bummer but there are a lot of good cheap 3rd car candidates out there.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 23, 2011, 12:44:49 PM
No poll, too convoluted
Say you have a family w/2 young kids, and 2 driving + working adults. Could one of those adults have a 2 seat car w/o complicating things? For you guys with families... what's the deal?
I think you could make it work as long as the primary caretaker of the children drives the car with more than one extra seat. Definitely a bit of a hassle though.
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I think you could make it work as long as the primary caretaker of the children drives the car with more than one extra seat. Definitely a bit of a hassle though.
See, that's the thing. In most households both parents share the duties of parenting.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 28, 2011, 09:29:59 PM
See, that's the thing. In most households both parents share the duties of parenting.
In dual income households, sure. But if just the dad works then the mom does most of the running around with the kids.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 28, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
In dual income households, sure. But if just the dad works then the mom does most of the running around with the kids.
Most, but not all.
The lesson here is don't have kids.
x10
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 28, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
In dual income households, sure. But if just the dad works then the mom does most of the running around with the kids.
Even then, there are times when the other car ends up with kid duty. Otherwise, the father probably just isn't involved in the kids life
Quote from: SVT32V on June 29, 2011, 10:53:46 AM
Even then, there are times when the other car ends up with kid duty. Otherwise, the father probably just isn't involved in the kids life
You just switch cars. :huh:
My parents did it for 7 years.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 29, 2011, 11:55:20 AM
You just switch cars. :huh:
My parents did it for 7 years.
Yeah that works, until the instances when there are conflicting engagements at the same time (Kid A in one place Kid B has to be in another place, at the same time).
BTW, I am surprised at the lack of comments of this fellow in the new ZR1 (with the toddler in the car, unfastened at that) racing a GTR from a dig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS4YKWu_uKg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS4YKWu_uKg)
Quote from: 93JC on June 28, 2011, 10:30:59 PM
The lesson here is don't have kids.
Would you want some of these 'Spinners breeding? :huh:
:lol:
Quote from: SVT32V on June 29, 2011, 12:16:58 PM
Yeah that works, until the instances when there are conflicting engagements at the same time (Kid A in one place Kid B has to be in another place, at the same time).
And why can't you then take one kid in teh family sedan to the one appointment and the other in the 2 seater? Not like you have to get 4 people in one car at that time.
Trust me, I've done it.
I plan on keeping the 3 cars, but I don't really know what I'll do with my DD yet. So far from testing, the stroller fits in the RSX, so it's ok. It doesn't even come close to fitting into the Elise unfortunately...
Quote from: ChrisV on July 29, 2011, 12:09:46 PM
And why can't you then take one kid in teh family sedan to the one appointment and the other in the 2 seater? Not like you have to get 4 people in one car at that time.
Trust me, I've done it.
As long as the airbag can be turned off or it is smart enough to turn itself off with the lower weight of the kid it could be OK and there are no other friends in the mix.
I didn't have an airbag in my 2 seater.
My other solution was to only have one kid.
Quote from: ChrisV on August 03, 2011, 07:40:27 AM
I didn't have an airbag in my 2 seater.
My other solution was to only have one kid.
Basing the size of your family around the kind of car you want to drive is kinda sad.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 03, 2011, 07:57:44 AM
Basing the size of your family around the kind of car you want to drive is kinda sad.
Removing 90% of who you are so you can spit out more crotchfruit is kinda sad.
See how easy it is to be insulting in response?
Quote from: ChrisV on August 03, 2011, 07:59:38 AM
Removing 90% of who you are so you can spit out more crotchfruit is kinda sad.
See how easy it is to be insulting in response?
I wonder how your stepson would feel if he knew you referred to him as crotchfruit and that he gets in the way of you being you.
Quote from: ChrisV on August 03, 2011, 07:40:27 AM
I didn't have an airbag in my 2 seater.
My other solution was to only have one kid.
If you only have one kid, how do you know what it's like to live day-to-day with more than one? :huh: