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I bet it drives fine, but man, puffing up the greenhouse ruined the lines. Especially that C-pillar. :cry:
I think it looks fantastic, and the C-pillar treatment looks sharp and unique. I'm glad they didn't copy everything else in the segment.
For the segment, it looks fine; especially, the interior. I'm not keen on the segment though. Just as soon have a 5 door hatch.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 19, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
For the segment, it looks fine; especially, the interior. I'm not keen on the segment though. Just as soon have a 5 door hatch.
Yebbut, 5 door hatch w/AWD and extra ground clearance, yet good mileage, great interior and packaging makes it pretty compelling to me.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 19, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
Yebbut, 5 door hatch w/AWD and extra ground clearance, yet good mileage, great interior and packaging makes it pretty compelling to me.
Well, I was thinking of the Focus ST. Really considering getting one next spring.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 19, 2014, 11:03:01 AM
Well, I was thinking of the Focus ST. Really considering getting one next spring.
Oh yes. You must do this.
The CX-5 is immensely popular here. This will continue the hits for Mazda for sure.
I like it a lot. An AWD 6MT version would be amazing. I'm probably dreaming though.
It looks pretty nifty, beats the brakes off the Trax and Vezel
Quote from: 2o6 on November 19, 2014, 12:46:37 PM
It looks pretty nifty, beats the brakes off the Trax and Vezel
Yah those cars look like 3rd world dodgeballs
That nose though
(http://i.imgur.com/biDFHU0.gif)
Makes the X1 look FWD
Joy, another SUV. No longer Zoom-Zoom and more like ZZZZ....ZZZZ...ZZZZ
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 19, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Yah those cars look like 3rd world dodgeballs
That nose though
(http://i.imgur.com/biDFHU0.gif)
Makes the X1 look FWD
I think it's just the angle. It's probably not that nose long in person.
This should be a wonderful alternative to the Mazda3 hatch for someone who wants a bit of extra practicality -- it's definitely on the small side. Here's hoping they preserved as much of the dynamics as possible.
Quote from: ifcar on November 19, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
This should be a wonderful alternative to the Mazda3 hatch for someone who wants a bit of extra practicality -- it's definitely on the small side. Here's hoping they preserved as much of the dynamics as possible.
Would that be the CX-5?
Quote from: Onslaught on November 19, 2014, 01:07:27 PM
Joy, another SUV. No longer Zoom-Zoom and more like ZZZZ....ZZZZ...ZZZZ
Mazda is fighting the good fight with the Miata. Ultimately though, generally speaking, next to nobody cares about sports cars anymore.
I dislike the focus on SUV's just like anyone else. But mazda hasn't given up on anything yet. Once the 3 starts chasing corrolla driving dynamics and the miata gets a v6 and adds 1000lbs then I'll start bitching. Until then let them do what they want, as long as they still give enthusiasts something to buy.
Plus mazda really gets a pass, the Miata is probably going to be the best drivers car under 40(maybe 50K).
Yep, the Miata and BRZ are about as bold as cars can get in this market climate. Mazda also going for style and engagement over volume is pretty risky. But then, VW's sales are down, all thanks to the character-washing of the gasoline Jetta/Passat. Sales exploded when they were new but the allure is fading, whereas on the flip side I think Mazda will really be able to lure people in with their new lineup. They look good in and out and drive well too.
I want a CX-2. It would be like a Samurai, but with 155hp and independent suspensions.
Quote from: 68_427 on November 19, 2014, 03:42:11 PM
Would that be the CX-5?
Smaller and more fun than the CX-5 with still more room than the Mazda3 is a great sweet spot if this car meets expectations .
Quote from: ifcar on November 20, 2014, 09:58:15 AM
Smaller and more fun than the CX-5 with still more room than the Mazda3 is a great sweet spot if this car meets expectations .
CX-5 gets pretty good reviews - the sprightlier 2.5L version at least. It's a blip on my radar if & when I decide to sell the Prius & the G
I want an MX-3.
And an MX-6.
And an RX-7.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 19, 2014, 01:07:27 PM
Joy, another SUV. No longer Zoom-Zoom and more like ZZZZ....ZZZZ...ZZZZ
+1
From pictures it looks like it combines the brilliance of a uselessly small rear seat and a uselessly small cargo area... Don't care enough to research that anymore
Quote from: MX793 on November 20, 2014, 11:15:13 AM
I want an MX-3.
And an MX-6.
And an RX-7.
Why... a Mazda 3 and Miata are probably 99% as good as those cars would be today............
Quote from: r0tor on November 20, 2014, 01:04:32 PM
From pictures it looks like it combines the brilliance of a uselessly small rear seat and a uselessly small cargo area... Don't care enough to research that anymore
An RX-9 would surely be more practical, and a better investment for Mazda's financial future......
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 20, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
An RX-9 would surely be more practical, and a better investment for Mazda's financial future......
Halo cars keep people interested in the brand. Toyota and Honda are just now grasping this concept. Mazda CEO Mr Beancounter will realize in 3 years his wide selection of sluggish 4 cylinders turned the brand into a Scion level of unimportance.
Quote from: r0tor on November 20, 2014, 01:11:57 PM
Halo cars keep people interested in the brand. Toyota and Honda are just now grasping this concept. Mazda CEO Mr Beancounter will realize in 3 years his wide selection of sluggish 4 cylinders turned the brand into a Scion level of unimportance.
No they don't. "Halo cars" are the biggest myth ever. Halo cars don't keep people interested in a brand, good desirable cars across the range do. A GT-R doesn't make a Sentra any less awful, and the absence of an RX doesn't change the 3 & 6's status as dynamic benchmarks in their segments. The "halo car" red herring is right up there with the "compete with the Germans" one... unproven, "feel good" memes people use to rationalize manufacturers building cars they want in the absence of demand or benefit for the manufacturers.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 20, 2014, 01:06:19 PM
Why... a Mazda 3 and Miata are probably 99% as good as those cars would be today............
The miata perhaps. The Mazda3, fuck no. Not in the same ball park as the MX-3 GS or MX-6 LS.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 20, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
No they don't. "Halo cars" are the biggest myth ever. Halo cars don't keep people interested in a brand, good desirable cars across the range do. A GT-R doesn't make a Sentra any less awful, and the absence of an RX doesn't change the 3 & 6's status as dynamic benchmarks in their segments. The "halo car" red herring is right up there with the "compete with the Germans" one... unproven, "feel good" memes people use to rationalize manufacturers building cars they want in the absence of demand or benefit for the manufacturers.
Well, they lost me as a customer and fan of the brand. FWD "benchmarks" are completely lame... as are their uninspiring 4 cylinders
Quote from: Onslaught on November 20, 2014, 01:31:11 PM
MX-3 GS
Dat V6. Always wanted a Miata with one swapped in.
Quote from: r0tor on November 20, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
Well, they lost me as a customer and fan of the brand. FWD "benchmarks" are completely lame... as are their uninspiring 4 cylinders
Thats a huge loss for them. I dont know if theyll recover
Quote from: Onslaught on November 20, 2014, 01:31:11 PM
The miata perhaps. The Mazda3, fuck no. Not in the same ball park as the MX-3 GS or MX-6 LS.
Small coupes are irrelevant. And the 93-97 626 GS V6 was every bit as good as the same year MX-6 V6s, while being way more practical. MX-3 V6 was pure bubble economy hubris, as awesome as it may have been. The CX-3 is the new MX-3
Oh sporty, you are epically wrong by the way.
A few years ago I see a Raptor. Think holy shit that's cool. Go to Fords website and play with builds. Notice Foci are really reasonably priced. Several months later when my wife's car takes a shit and we need to replace it - where did my search start? Ford.
I see a Porsche GT3 in the news. I go to Porsches website and play. I become fascinated and do a bunch of Google searches on Porsches. Few months later, I get a Google Now card pop up on my phone when the Macan debuted because now google thinks I'm a Porsche fan. I would never had even think about researching the Macan and now I think its an awesome choice.
You mentioned Nissan. Frankly I don't even know if the Maxima, Altima, and Sentra even exist anymore yet alone know anything about them. I haven't been to Nissan's website probably since the GTR came out. Maybe a new GTR or Z car would draw my interest and I would know something about their lineup. Same with Toyota. Same with Honda.
Rinse and repeat with the Mustang, M3, Corvette, ect... We have all been to their websites because of Halo type cars and all know more about their line up then we otherwise would. The web has made a Halo car more important then ever.
The GT-R makes me want a Versa so bad. Loljk. Nissan is kinda boring.
Quote from: r0tor on November 20, 2014, 02:36:27 PM
Oh sporty, you are epically wrong by the way.
A few years ago I see a Raptor. Think holy shit that's cool. Go to Fords website and play with builds. Notice Foci are really reasonably priced. Several months later when my wife's car takes a shit and we need to replace it - where did my search start? Ford.
I see a Porsche GT3 in the news. I go to Porsches website and play. I become fascinated and do a bunch of Google searches on Porsches. Few months later, I get a Google Now card pop up on my phone when the Macan debuted because now google thinks I'm a Porsche fan. I would never had even think about researching the Macan and now I think its an awesome choice.
You mentioned Nissan. Frankly I don't even know if the Maxima, Altima, and Sentra even exist anymore yet alone know anything about them. I haven't been to Nissan's website probably since the GTR came out. Maybe a new GTR or Z car would draw my interest and I would know something about their lineup. Same with Toyota. Same with Honda.
Rinse and repeat with the Mustang, M3, Corvette, ect... We have all been to their websites because of Halo type cars and all know more about their line up then we otherwise would. The web has made a Halo car more important then ever.
We are enthusiasts. And even then, that's BS. When I bought wifey's car I looked up Consumer Reports. On my car search I have been going on the brand websites... and looking at the cars I want to buy. I.e. when I got to thinking about the Fiesta ST, it had nothing to do with the fact that there was a new Mustang. It had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that barring the GTI it's the best hot hatch on the market. I also looked at the Mazda 3- no halo car there- cause it's one of the best entries in its segment. 9999/10000 people don't give a shit about halo cars, and again, numbers dont lie. Top sellign cars are from companies with no halo cars, and I doubt the GT500 was a deciding factor in your parents' purchase of their Fusion Hybrid. Halo. Cars. Don't. Matter. And are a complete waste of time if nobody is going to buy them, or they aren't going to be a test bed for tech that will trickle down.
Quote from: 68_427 on November 20, 2014, 02:04:47 PM
Dat V6. Always wanted a Miata with one swapped in.
Mazda made one. But only one.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 20, 2014, 02:09:21 PM
Small coupes are irrelevant. And the 93-97 626 GS V6 was every bit as good as the same year MX-6 V6s, while being way more practical. MX-3 V6 was pure bubble economy hubris, as awesome as it may have been. The CX-3 is the new MX-3
Um, as someone who worked on both cars and who's brother and aunt owned the MX-6 andI spent much time behind the wheels of all of them I can tell you that's just bull shit. The 626 was in no way as good at sporty driving as the MX-6 was.
The CX-3 is as pointless as the MX-3 was. You need an SUV and not a Mazda3? Buy a fucking CX-5.
Quote from: r0tor on November 20, 2014, 02:36:27 PM
Oh sporty, you are epically wrong by the way.
A few years ago I see a Raptor. Think holy shit that's cool. Go to Fords website and play with builds. Notice Foci are really reasonably priced. Several months later when my wife's car takes a shit and we need to replace it - where did my search start? Ford.
I see a Porsche GT3 in the news. I go to Porsches website and play. I become fascinated and do a bunch of Google searches on Porsches. Few months later, I get a Google Now card pop up on my phone when the Macan debuted because now google thinks I'm a Porsche fan. I would never had even think about researching the Macan and now I think its an awesome choice.
You mentioned Nissan. Frankly I don't even know if the Maxima, Altima, and Sentra even exist anymore yet alone know anything about them. I haven't been to Nissan's website probably since the GTR came out. Maybe a new GTR or Z car would draw my interest and I would know something about their lineup. Same with Toyota. Same with Honda.
Rinse and repeat with the Mustang, M3, Corvette, ect... We have all been to their websites because of Halo type cars and all know more about their line up then we otherwise would. The web has made a Halo car more important then ever.
Lol, you bought a focus because the Raptor exists?
I've never really thought HALO cars worked. I never got an Acura even if I went to look at the NSX all the time. And even so, the only "HALO car Mazda ever had in the US was the RX-7. And it's been gone for a very long time.
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2014, 04:02:04 PM
Lol, you bought a focus because the Raptor exists?
Yup and everyone who bought a Focus did too
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 20, 2014, 06:10:44 PM
Yup and everyone who bought a Focus did too
It doesn't make any sense. If you're so simple minded you didn't even consider the focus until you looked at their monster truck, then you're a pretty dumb consumer.
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2014, 06:43:28 PM
It doesn't make any sense. If you're so simple minded you didn't even consider the focus until you looked at their monster truck, then you're a pretty dumb consumer.
U just dont understand how halo cars work
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2014, 04:02:04 PM
Lol, you bought a focus because the Raptor exists?
Haha, you beat me to it. If that's the reason rotor bought a Focus, he's an idiot.
I prefer CoD-edition Jeeps over HALO cars.
This actually looks decent. It's stupid segment, but if it sells, go for it. At some point, we're going to have "SUVs" that are smaller than my Z4 and have no room at all.
Quote from: Raza on November 21, 2014, 04:52:17 AM
This actually looks decent. It's stupid segment, but if it sells, go for it. At some point, we're going to have "SUVs" that are smaller than my Z4 and have no room at all.
That's how I look at it. If they can make money off the thing then go for it. But why anyone would want a thing like this is beyond me.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 21, 2014, 05:05:24 AM
That's how I look at it. If they can make money off the thing then go for it. But why anyone would want a thing like this is beyond me.
You can't see why the CX-3 might appeal to the small car shopper in northern climates? I'd seriously consider buying this after the Focus... empty nesters wanting economical car with AWD that's stylish.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 21, 2014, 05:38:58 AM
You can't see why the CX-3 might appeal to the small car shopper in northern climates? I'd seriously consider buying this after the Focus... empty nesters wanting economical car with AWD that's stylish.
As a person in a northern climate, I can't see any real advantage over a similar car at a normal height.
I dont think I will ever have a CUV, but I can def see one for wifey/family duty. Loading kids into a CUV is way easier than loading them into a low wagon. CX-3 is too small but something like a CX-5 or Lexus NX sounds good to me.
Quote from: Raza on November 21, 2014, 06:37:22 AM
As a person in a northern climate, I can't see any real advantage over a similar car at a normal height.
That's because you don't get dumped on with snow that often. You can't deny the advantages of having higher ground clearance and AWD in relatively deep snow.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 21, 2014, 05:38:58 AM
You can't see why the CX-3 might appeal to the small car shopper in northern climates? I'd seriously consider buying this after the Focus... empty nesters wanting economical car with AWD that's stylish.
I just can't see a need for this over a CX-5.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 21, 2014, 10:13:12 AM
I just can't see a need for this over a CX-5.
C'mon, what's the need of a Mazda2 over a Mazda3? The same answer is a little less cost, a little more fuel economy, and a different style choice. I'd buy a CX-3 over a CX-5 for these reasons. I think it looks better, I like the interior better, it'll cost less, and I don't need the slightly extra space of the CX-5. Why complain about more choice, especially when you gripe that you don't like anything on the market right now?
I don't see a need in the Mazda 2 either. Unless you live in a massive city with no space all those little cars are retarted.?And giving me more choices that are all family cars is not what I'm asking for.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 21, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
I don't see a need in the Mazda 2 either. Unless you live in a massive city with no space all those little cars are retarted.?And giving me more choices that are all family cars is not what I'm asking for.
Exactly, the 2 is worthless unless you are in a condensed city area. So why the hell did they even bother offering it? Who even lives in a big city? Barely anybody, what a joke.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 21, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
I don't see a need in the Mazda 2 either. Unless you live in a massive city with no space all those little cars are retarted.?And giving me more choices that are all family cars is not what I'm asking for.
Okay, you don't like little cars. But here's a reality check... those cars help the company meet fuel economy and emissions regulations. SUVs, crossovers and trucks bring the profits. Without those, the company cannot make the low volume niche cars you want. The Miata had to be co-developed with Fiat to be even viable, and if there ever is another rotary engined halo car, most likely it'll have to be partnered with another company as well.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 21, 2014, 01:14:39 PM
Exactly, the 2 is worthless unless you are in a condensed city area. So why the hell did they even bother offering it? Who even lives in a big city? Barely anybody, what a joke.
:lol:
You guys are fun. Easy, but fun.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 21, 2014, 01:55:08 PM
mmmhmmm
I'm play'n with you. I could see the point of a 2 in a huge city. I'm still not 100% sure about this CX-3 thing but I've never seen the point of baby SUV's in the first place.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
I'm play'n with you. I could see the point of a 2 in a huge city. I'm still not 100% sure about this CX-3 thing but I've never seen the point of baby SUV's in the first place.
mmmhmm
Quote from: Onslaught on November 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
I'm play'n with you. I could see the point of a 2 in a huge city. I'm still not 100% sure about this CX-3 thing but I've never seen the point of baby SUV's in the first place.
They're great. I had a decrepit Samurai back in '97 that was unstoppable in the woods. Terrifying on the highway though.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 21, 2014, 02:16:13 PM
They're great. I had a decrepit Samurai back in '97 that was unstoppable in the woods. Terrifying on the highway though.
Between the screaming engine, flapping soft top, and inability to go in a straight line, it sure keeps you awake on long trips. :ohyeah:
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 21, 2014, 07:14:31 AM
That's because you don't get dumped on with snow that often. You can't deny the advantages of having higher ground clearance and AWD in relatively deep snow.
Yeah, but it's got to get pretty deep, pretty often to be worth it.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 21, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
I don't see a need in the Mazda 2 either. Unless you live in a massive city with no space all those little cars are retarted.?And giving me more choices that are all family cars is not what I'm asking for.
People who live in cities.....you just described millions of people.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 21, 2014, 02:16:13 PM
They're great. I had a decrepit Samurai back in '97 that was unstoppable in the woods. Terrifying on the highway though.
One of my torts cases in class involved a Suzuki Samurai. I actually had to do that one in class.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 21, 2014, 02:16:13 PM
They're great. I had a decrepit Samurai back in '97 that was unstoppable in the woods. Terrifying on the highway though.
The Samurai was a legit 4x4 SUV with legit off-road capability and a low range transfer case. The CX-3 is a Mazda3 with a bit more ground clearance and a fwd biased AWD system.
True, my first girlfriend had a Samurai that wasn't a soft top. It wasn't what I'd call comfortable but I'm sure it do ok. Or way better then a jacked up Mazda3 with "AWD."
Quote from: MX793 on November 21, 2014, 04:05:56 PM
The Samurai was a legit 4x4 SUV with legit off-road capability and a low range transfer case. The CX-3 is a Mazda3 with a bit more ground clearance and a fwd biased AWD system.
Mazda2. Point is, some people do like small SUVs and crossovers.
The Mazda6 is damn nice looking, and gets 37-40mpghwy. Mazda2 gets 35mpghwy. Might as well give it a lift kit.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 21, 2014, 05:49:45 PM
The Mazda6 is damn nice looking, and gets 37-40mpghwy. Mazda2 gets 35mpghwy. Might as well give it a lift kit.
This is a salient point.
IIRC though Mazda2 has an old non DI engine. Mazda 2 needs the 2.0L Skyactiv lump and a kammback option. 50 MPG
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 22, 2014, 07:26:15 AM
This is a salient point.
IIRC though Mazda2 has an old non DI engine. Mazda 2 needs the 2.0L Skyactiv lump and a kammback option. 50 MPG
- short cars are inherently less aerodynamic
- mazda 2 will beat the car in city miles all day
- less of a penalty for little engines and wringing the shit out of them.(the worst I've ever seen in my Yaris is 25MPG)
- they're also geared really short.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 22, 2014, 02:16:32 PM
- short cars are inherently less aerodynamic
- mazda 2 will beat the car in city miles all day
- less of a penalty for little engines and wringing the shit out of them.(the worst I've ever seen in my Yaris is 25MPG)
- they're also geared really short.
Right, so less of a penalty when turned into a mini CUV.
Such as: Accent. With a lift, taller tires and rally flaps, it actually gets better highway mileage. Aerodynamics are already shit, so the taller tires make up for everything.
Either way, a Mazda2 with the 2.0 Skyactivia would be BOSS.