Quote from: 2o6 on August 21, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
Oh.


Honestly, I don't see why people are in such a tizzy about it.

Ever heard of "Up With People!?"

That's what it reminds me of; and they make me think homicidal thoughts.

"Black" and "White" are two special editions, so that's why those words are there.

Quote from: 2o6 on August 21, 2011, 11:23:02 PM
"Black" and "White" are two special editions, so that's why those words are there.

That's marginally better, I suppose.

Quote from: MrH on August 21, 2011, 09:33:43 PM
How the fuck do you guys get excited over little shit box economy cars?  I don't understand that at all.

Actually, I like this thing. It's small, it's light, but most of all, it's sort of cool to see what can be made on a tight budget for people with tight budgets.

I do agree, however. The name is ridiculous.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 21, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
I completely missed that. Yeah, that'd annoy the crap out of me.

Nothing some floss can't get rid of.

Quote from: thecarnut on August 21, 2011, 11:42:38 PM
Nothing some floss can't get rid of.

Then how will I know what color my car is?

Why does everybody gotta be making small cars with the rear ends chopped off? The wheel base is long enough, so how about a trunk?

Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 21, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
I completely missed that. Yeah, that'd annoy the crap out of me.

What's wrong with including the color blind in the excitement about the Up!?

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2011, 11:50:55 PM
Why does everybody gotta be making small cars with the rear ends chopped off? The wheel base is long enough, so how about a trunk?

It does make squeezing into tight spots easier.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2011, 11:50:55 PM
Why does everybody gotta be making small cars with the rear ends chopped off? The wheel base is long enough, so how about a trunk?

The wheel arches trick you into thinking that. Rear hatch is perfectly normal; the proportions are pretty conventional and a little generic.

I wonder if VW will see an oddly high number of sales in my area.

LULZ

Quote from: giant_mtb on August 22, 2011, 12:17:37 AM
I wonder if VW will see an oddly high number of sales in my area.

LULZ

Not unless the name of the car is pronounced, "you pee". lulululz

So this is a Hyundai 10i by way of VW?

This is predicted to become VW's biggest seller, and I can well believe it.

I like it........ nearly as much as my favourite A Segment car, the Fiat 500.

Quote from: 93JC on August 21, 2011, 11:21:51 PM
What colour is the red one? It doesn't say on the side.

Well, if you are color blind then red should be sort of greyish. 

Overall, I think this is a pleasant economy car. I would have wished for a better name, but I don't think it is that horrible.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 22, 2011, 12:20:58 AM
Not unless the name of the car is pronounced, "you pee". lulululz

And has a special-order "MUTHAFUCKIN" badge to go in front.

And here we have one of those stupid comments again. 


"59 HP from a one-liter turbo???  That is pathetic for VW - why are their base engines so lame?  The 2.0 120 HP motor in the Jetta; the 2.5L in-line 5 in the Passat; and now this slug in the UP!  How come Kia gets 274 hp from their 2.0 turbo whil VW only manages 208? in theirs?"



Link: http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/up/2012/volkswagen-up-unveiled-ahead-of-2011-frankfurt-auto-show.html

Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 22, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
And here we have one of those stupid comments again. 


"59 HP from a one-liter turbo???  That is pathetic for VW - why are their base engines so lame?  The 2.0 120 HP motor in the Jetta; the 2.5L in-line 5 in the Passat; and now this slug in the UP!  How come Kia gets 274 hp from their 2.0 turbo whil VW only manages 208? in theirs?"

-dagmar3

Link: http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/up/2012/volkswagen-up-unveiled-ahead-of-2011-frankfurt-auto-show.html

That appears to be a reasonable inquirey. Why is Kia so awesome while VW is not? Why?

Since Kia has now been mentioned in this thread, I think we should follow their precedent of pronouncing the punctuation in a model name. This Volkswagen should be called the "Up Exclaim."

Another note: I hope they add a second exclamation point for Spanish-speaking markets.

Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 22, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
And here we have one of those stupid comments again. 


"59 HP from a one-liter turbo???  That is pathetic for VW - why are their base engines so lame?  The 2.0 120 HP motor in the Jetta; the 2.5L in-line 5 in the Passat; and now this slug in the UP!  How come Kia gets 274 hp from their 2.0 turbo whil VW only manages 208? in theirs?"

-dagmar3

Link: http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/up/2012/volkswagen-up-unveiled-ahead-of-2011-frankfurt-auto-show.html

59 hp from a 1L turbo is pretty weak.  I would have expected at least 80.  You could get 59 hp from a naturally aspirated 1L motor without much effort.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 22, 2011, 04:17:50 PM
That appears to be a reasonable inquirey. Why is Kia so awesome while VW is not? Why?

It's a silly inquiry IMO. This guy doesn't stop to think that maybe this engine is tuned for efficiency and not burning rubber on the 'Ring.

It's also one of those "In the year 1723 Honda produced a 1.0-l engine with 115-horsepower. Now in the year 2525 VW's 1.0-l engine can only produce 59-hp?" claims.

Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 22, 2011, 04:54:45 PM
It's a silly inquiry IMO. This guy doesn't stop to think that maybe this engine is tuned for efficiency and not burning rubber on the 'Ring.

It's also one of those "In the year 1723 Honda produced a 1.0-l engine with 115-horsepower. Now in the year 2525 VW's 1.0-l engine can only produce 59-hp?" claims.

Yes, sort of like all of the late 70s and early 80s American cars with 5.0L V8s that had been choked down to 120-140 hp for "efficiency" that still only got 15 mpg.

Quote from: MX793 on August 22, 2011, 05:07:34 PM
Yes, sort of like all of the late 70s and early 80s American cars with 5.0L V8s that had been choked down to 120-140 hp for "efficiency" that still only got 15 mpg.

But those were FULLSIZE, RWD and OVERWEIGHT CARS. They and their engines weren't designed for efficiency. Seems to me like the chocking down of horsepower in the hopes of getting better gas mileage was a measure of desperation. I honestly don't think a say a 7.5-l Buick Electra with 350-hp that has been chocked down to 150-hp can get better mileage than the 350-hp version. The [over]weight of the car and the big block nature of the engine would seem to be the two main causes for poor gas mileage. By the way I am making up that engine for an Electra for the sake of this argument.

The VW UP! is completely designed for efficiency from ground up. FWD, aerodynamics, efficient engines, light-weight materials.

Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 22, 2011, 05:19:16 PM
But those were FULLSIZE, RWD and OVERWEIGHT CARS. They and their engines weren't designed for efficiency. Seems to me like the chocking down of horsepower in the hopes of getting better gas mileage was a measure of desperation. I honestly don't think a say a 7.5-l Buick Electra with 350-hp that has been chocked down to 150-hp can get better mileage than the 350-hp version. The [over]weight of the car and the big block nature of the engine would seem to be the two main causes for poor gas mileage. By the way I am making up that engine for an Electra for the sake of this argument.

The VW UP! is completely designed for efficiency from ground up. FWD, aerodynamics, efficient engines, light-weight materials.

This thing's engine doesn't seem designed for efficiency.

If it's stupid for GM to have choked down their V8s, why is it not stupid for this car's engine to be so inefficient? Do you think it would get much worse gas mileage if it had 100HP instead of 59?

Oh I know why. Because the Up! is

- German
- fitting in your view that poor people should only drive 2 stroke tin cans

This thing's engine is a joke.

Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 22, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
And here we have one of those stupid comments again. 


"59 HP from a one-liter turbo???  That is pathetic for VW - why are their base engines so lame?  The 2.0 120 HP motor in the Jetta; the 2.5L in-line 5 in the Passat; and now this slug in the UP!  How come Kia gets 274 hp from their 2.0 turbo whil VW only manages 208? in theirs?"

-dagmar3

Link: http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/up/2012/volkswagen-up-unveiled-ahead-of-2011-frankfurt-auto-show.html

Interesting. Wonder if he even knows what a Dagmar is?

Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 22, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
And here we have one of those stupid comments again. 


"59 HP from a one-liter turbo???  That is pathetic for VW - why are their base engines so lame?  The 2.0 120 HP motor in the Jetta; the 2.5L in-line 5 in the Passat; and now this slug in the UP!  How come Kia gets 274 hp from their 2.0 turbo whil VW only manages 208? in theirs?"

-dagmar3

Link: http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/up/2012/volkswagen-up-unveiled-ahead-of-2011-frankfurt-auto-show.html

If you can't deal with stupid comments, you should just stay off the internet. You'd be much happier.

Quote from: MX793 on August 22, 2011, 04:54:14 PM
59 hp from a 1L turbo is pretty weak.  I would have expected at least 80.  You could get 59 hp from a naturally aspirated 1L motor without much effort.

Cost.


The other optional motor is a 1.0L Turbo making about ~80 HP.

Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 22, 2011, 05:21:41 PM
This thing's engine doesn't seem designed for efficiency.

Rubber-burning performance then? 

Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 22, 2011, 05:21:41 PMIf it's stupid for GM to have choked down their V8s, why is it not stupid for this car's engine to be so inefficient? Do you think it would get much worse gas mileage if it had 100HP instead of 59?

Where do I claim it was a "stupid" idea? What I basically said was that it didn't make much sense to me to detune a big block, heavy, RWD and fullsize sedan. I'm pretty sure the 150-hp Buick Electra was completely underpowered and got worse mileage than a 350-hp Buick Electra.

Come on. Most American fullsize cars (and probably most American cars) from the early '70s were not designed to get good gas mileage. Only the oil crisis of 1973 and the smaller ones thereafter caused fuel economy and emissions to become a topic.

Detuning the engines was a knee-jerk-reaction to a problem. It was probably the only thing the carmakers could logically do without pulling off from the market a brand new 455cid V8 Buick Electra that had debuted two weeks before the oil crisis...

Maybe at the time it made sense, but now, looking back, I don't think it did. Like I said. I think a 350-hp Buick Electra would probably have gotten the same if not better mileage than the detuned 150-hp Electra.

Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 22, 2011, 05:21:41 PMOh I know why. Because the Up! is

- German
- fitting in your view that poor people should only drive 2 stroke tin cans

Why yes. Everything made in Germany is so super duper awesome. Don't you know that? It baffles me why people even buy products from all other countries in the world...

Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 22, 2011, 05:21:41 PMThis thing's engine is a joke.

It needs a high-revving V10 engine for safe highway merging maneuvers. I agree.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 22, 2011, 05:22:40 PM
Interesting. Wonder if he even knows what a Dagmar is?

A German female name and an extinct automobile brand.