"Truly Overrated"

S204STi · May 08, 2012, 03:09:47 PM

There are quite a few owners in CO, the PNW, and New England who would completely disagree.

CJ · May 08, 2012, 03:29:45 PM

Quote from: SVT666 on May 08, 2012, 12:07:49 PM
Of course not.

He's got a point...

Gotta-Qik-C7 · May 08, 2012, 03:34:31 PM

Quote from: 2o6 on May 08, 2012, 01:18:28 PM

(That generation, specifically)

It's just as dull as all the rest of the other Midsized sedans. And if you don't really need AWD, I find the whole vehicle to be pointless.

Dude that is the whole point of the car....

68_427 · May 08, 2012, 04:13:22 PM

Which mid sizers were available in wagon form then? And they get really fun when the roads are slick, especially in automatic guise.

2o6 · May 08, 2012, 04:30:34 PM

Looks like I struck a nerve.

It's a good vehicle, yes, but it's not the pinnicle of driving involvement; the inputs are just as dull as other cars, the boxer four only makes adequate power (can't say for the six-cylinder) and although I know many people like AWD, if you don't really need it, there are so much more fun to drive cars out there.

Now the model after it, I would take any day, any time.

Secret Chimp · May 08, 2012, 05:58:08 PM

Quote from: 2o6 on May 08, 2012, 04:30:34 PM
Looks like I struck a nerve.

It's a good vehicle, yes, but it's not the pinnicle of driving involvement; the inputs are just as dull as other cars, the boxer four only makes adequate power (can't say for the six-cylinder) and although I know many people like AWD, if you don't really need it, there are so much more fun to drive cars out there.

Now the model after it, I would take any day, any time.

Who the hell ever called an Outback anything close to "the pinnacle of driving involvement"? WTF are you talking about?

S204STi · May 08, 2012, 06:00:24 PM

He's trying to be a LOLtroll like Cougs.

Laconian · May 08, 2012, 06:13:42 PM

The pinnacle of driving involvement is a mid 90s Impreza.

GoCougs · May 08, 2012, 06:22:22 PM

Quote from: 2o6 on May 08, 2012, 01:18:28 PM

(That generation, specifically)

It's just as dull as all the rest of the other Midsized sedans. And if you don't really need AWD, I find the whole vehicle to be pointless.

I'm going agree.

Not a terrible car but despite the wheels, two-tone paint, and sometimes leather and moonroof, it was basically a econo car, and a very expensive one at that. To all this we can add the ever-present head problems.

The generation that followed made a moderate leap but still retained a bit of that econo car feel. The current generation however made a HUGE leap such that I doubt anyone could materially criticize it let alone call it overrated.

r0tor · May 08, 2012, 06:27:51 PM

Accord... Seriously? It's not magical...

Raza · May 08, 2012, 06:29:54 PM

Quote from: Secret Chimp on May 08, 2012, 05:58:08 PM
Who the hell ever called an Outback anything close to "the pinnacle of driving involvement"? WTF are you talking about?

Jake did once say that a 93 Impreza wagon was the best handling car ever.

Payman · May 08, 2012, 06:36:18 PM

Quote from: Raza on May 08, 2012, 06:29:54 PM
Jake did once say that a 93 Impreza wagon was the best handling car ever.

If you're driving in a foot of snow, it probably is.

Laconian · May 08, 2012, 07:15:58 PM

Quote from: Rockraven on May 08, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
If you're driving in a foot of snow, it probably is.

Yes, Subarus are really point and shoot easy in shitty conditions. I have friends that go through 4x4s and AWDs like crazy (they do a lot of winter photography and stay in cabins in the mountains etc), and their latest Outback has blown their minds.

Onslaught · May 08, 2012, 07:16:40 PM

Quote from: GoCougs on May 08, 2012, 12:43:34 PM
Hard to qualify "overrated." Cars that sell well but suck? Cars that militant enthusiasts hate? For me, it's simply cars I see on the road and think, Wow, there are better cars to buy than that:

2. Ford Super Duty and Dodge Ram (diesel variants)

I agree. Every time I work on a Diesel Ford SD I just think "what junk."

Laconian · May 08, 2012, 07:19:27 PM

Quote from: Onslaught on May 08, 2012, 07:16:40 PM
I agree. Every time I work on a Diesel Ford SD I just think "what junk."

What's junky about them?

There are a lot of douches that love their jacked-up SDs.

Onslaught · May 08, 2012, 07:27:21 PM

Quote from: Laconian on May 08, 2012, 07:19:27 PM
What's junky about them?

There are a lot of douches that love their jacked-up SDs.

They stink. The sound like your riding in a train engine. And you have to give it so much gas just to get it up the hill in the parking lot.

Laconian · May 08, 2012, 07:30:26 PM

It makes lots of noise! Real man's truck!

2o6 · May 08, 2012, 08:17:18 PM

Quote from: S204STi on May 08, 2012, 06:00:24 PM
He's trying to be a LOLtroll like Cougs.

Quote from: Secret Chimp on May 08, 2012, 05:58:08 PM
Who the hell ever called an Outback anything close to "the pinnacle of driving involvement"? WTF are you talking about?

I'm not trolling, but there are a lot of guys out there that call the Outback one of the most fun-to-drive vehicles out there for the class.

Quote from: GoCougs on May 08, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
I'm going agree.

Not a terrible car but despite the wheels, two-tone paint, and sometimes leather and moonroof, it was basically a econo car, and a very expensive one at that. To all this we can add the ever-present head problems.

The generation that followed made a moderate leap but still retained a bit of that econo car feel. The current generation however made a HUGE leap such that I doubt anyone could materially criticize it let alone call it overrated.

See! I thought the same thing. Inside and out, I felt it wasn't quite as good as other cars in the class (Camry and Accord, namely). It still is a good car, though.

Secret Chimp · May 08, 2012, 08:34:59 PM

Quote from: 2o6 on May 08, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
I'm not trolling, but there are a lot of guys out there that call the Outback one of the most fun-to-drive vehicles out there for the class.

You keep going on forums populated by the dumbest people known to man, i.e. the "lot of guys" you refer to all the time that none of us come within 1000 miles of associating with.

Madman · May 09, 2012, 09:11:15 AM

Most of the best selling names out there are truly overrated.

Camry, Civic, Accord, Altima, Corolla, etc. Every last one is a prime example of middle-of-the-road mediocrity.

Northlands · May 09, 2012, 02:16:36 PM

Quote from: Madman on May 09, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
Most of the best selling names out there are truly overrated.

Camry, Civic, Accord, Altima, Corolla, etc. Every last one is a prime example of middle-of-the-road mediocrity.

TBR · May 09, 2012, 02:53:33 PM

Quote from: 2o6 on May 08, 2012, 01:18:28 PM

(That generation, specifically)

It's just as dull as all the rest of the other Midsized sedans. And if you don't really need AWD, I find the whole vehicle to be pointless.

It is a fairly dull car, but I also don't think anyone pretends otherwise.

The unique thing about it was that it was an affordable midsize wagon. Those have been a rarity for a long time.

Madman · May 09, 2012, 04:10:17 PM

Quote from: Northlands on May 09, 2012, 02:16:36 PM

Am I to understand that you disagree? If so, then please tell me what is so friggin' wonderful about any of these personal mobility appliances. The way I see it, these cars are the mechanical equivalent of Top-40 radio; bland mindless pablum for the ignorant masses too lazy to seek out anything better. They are cynically developed to pander to the lowest common denominator who easily fall victim to the herd mentality. Sneer all you like but I adamantly refuse to become one of the mindless sheep who feels the need to cave in to peer pressure and brainless conformity.

Laconian · May 09, 2012, 04:15:11 PM

Quote from: Madman on May 09, 2012, 04:10:17 PM

Am I to understand that you disagree? If so, then please tell me what is so friggin' wonderful about any of these personal mobility appliances. The way I see it, these cars are the mechanical equivalent of Top-40 radio; bland mindless pablum for the ignorant masses too lazy to seek out anything better. They are cynically developed to pander to the lowest common denominator who easily fall victim to the herd mentality. Sneer all you like but I adamantly refuse to become one of the mindless sheep who feels the need to cave in to peer pressure and brainless conformity.

I bet you're using a computer with Windows. Why not Linux? It's way more fun. Unthusiast!

Vinsanity · May 09, 2012, 04:17:57 PM

Quote from: Madman on May 09, 2012, 04:10:17 PM

Am I to understand that you disagree? If so, then please tell me what is so friggin' wonderful about any of these personal mobility appliances. The way I see it, these cars are the mechanical equivalent of Top-40 radio; bland mindless pablum for the ignorant masses too lazy to seek out anything better. They are cynically developed to pander to the lowest common denominator who easily fall victim to the herd mentality. Sneer all you like but I adamantly refuse to become one of the mindless sheep who feels the need to cave in to peer pressure and brainless conformity.

Or, to put it in a simpler, less pretentious way, some people just want a car. A Camry honestly isn't a bad choice. It's not like there are competitors out there that will give you a BJ when you're stuck in traffic or anything, so there's really not much that average Joe is missing out on when he drives off the lot in his Camry.

shp4man · May 09, 2012, 04:34:07 PM

I think Japanese brand full size trucks are/were overrated. When they first came out, everybody thought they would take over the market. Instead, they just sucked. It's because the Japanese don't know anything about American pickups and what sells them. Plus, the only engines they had that were big enough were complicated, high revving transplants from their "luxury" models. They sucked as truck engines.

SVT666 · May 09, 2012, 04:34:32 PM

Quote from: Madman on May 09, 2012, 04:10:17 PM

Am I to understand that you disagree? If so, then please tell me what is so friggin' wonderful about any of these personal mobility appliances. The way I see it, these cars are the mechanical equivalent of Top-40 radio; bland mindless pablum for the ignorant masses too lazy to seek out anything better. They are cynically developed to pander to the lowest common denominator who easily fall victim to the herd mentality. Sneer all you like but I adamantly refuse to become one of the mindless sheep who feels the need to cave in to peer pressure and brainless conformity.

You have a really high opinion of yourself don't you?

MrH · May 09, 2012, 05:03:41 PM

Quote from: Madman on May 09, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
Most of the best selling names out there are truly overrated.

Camry, Civic, Accord, Altima, Corolla, etc. Every last one is a prime example of middle-of-the-road mediocrity.

Exactly! They can't even touch the Catera, truly an enthusiast dream vehicles. Rarity, prestige, and uniqueness simply ooze out of it.

2o6 · May 09, 2012, 05:04:54 PM

I don't understand why he oozes over the Catera....it was a flop because it sucked.

Madman · May 09, 2012, 05:15:59 PM

Quote from: MrH on May 09, 2012, 05:03:41 PM
Exactly! They can't even touch the Catera, truly an enthusiast dream vehicles. Rarity, prestige, and uniqueness simply ooze out of it.

Quote from: 2o6 on May 09, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
I don't understand why he oozes over the Catera....it was a flop because it sucked.

I have NEVER said the Catera was the greatest car in the world. Nevertheless, it still has more character in one lugnut than an entire fleet of CamCords.

And, as I've pointed out many times before, the Catera was never meant to be a high-volume model. It was intended to be a test bed for a smaller and sportier Cadillac. The fact that Cadillac used the Catera as a template when developing the CTS proves the Catera succeeded in it's mission.

If you like the CTS and upcoming ATS then you can thank the Catera for paving the way. Without the Catera, Cadillac would still be building hopeless wallowing front-drive geezer barges for the Geritol-addicted AARP crowd!

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