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MrH

#30
May 20, 2012, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: Madman on May 16, 2012, 05:06:25 PM
GM seems to have a thing about bringing it's most useful and fuel efficient models (Trax, Orlando, etc) to Canada but not the USA.  While I have no burning desire to own this thing, I find it a bit incredulous GM thinks it's American customers don't deserve to have a choice.


:facepalm:
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GoCougs

#31
May 20, 2012, 02:44:23 PM
Yep - Why would GM bother with choices customers by and large wouldn't choose?

CJ

#32
May 20, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on May 20, 2012, 02:44:23 PM
Yep - Why would GM bother with choices customers by and large wouldn't choose?


Can't imagine why...

Madman

#33
May 20, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
Yeah, because everyone should be made to drive the same freakin' car!  :rolleyes:
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ifcar

#34
May 20, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: Madman on May 20, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
Yeah, because everyone should be made to drive the same freakin' car!  :rolleyes:


They're not made to. They can buy any competitor they like if GM isn't making something that satisfies them. Judging by the Equinox's sales -- and at rather high prices, too -- that's not the case.

The maximum amount of choice is great for the consumer, but it's not in the automaker's best interest to offer more selection than it has to. Usually GM is accused of having too many models, not too few.

Madman

#35
May 20, 2012, 08:57:05 PM
Quote from: ifcar on May 20, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Usually GM is accused of having too many models, not too few.


Historically, GM's problem wasn't that it had too many models.  The problem was they had too many of the SAME models masquerading under different names.  The Cavalier/Sunbird/Firenza/Skyhawk/Cimarron being a prime example.
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hotrodalex

#36
May 20, 2012, 09:23:06 PM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on May 14, 2012, 08:42:40 PM
That is a tall front fascia.

srsly.

nickdrinkwater

#37
May 22, 2012, 07:03:38 AM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 18, 2012, 07:00:13 AM
A car is a luxury in Europe. Any car.

Not sure if serious

cawimmer430

#38
May 22, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on May 22, 2012, 07:03:38 AM
Not sure if serious

Dead serious.

You of all Europeans should know that given how insane the insurance rates for teenage drivers are in the UK.

So once again, a car is a luxury in Europe. ANY CAR.
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mzziaz

#39
May 22, 2012, 08:32:06 AM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 22, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
Dead serious.

You of all Europeans should know that given how insane the insurance rates for teenage drivers are in the UK.

So once again, a car is a luxury in Europe. ANY CAR.

Yeah, no.
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ifcar

#40
May 22, 2012, 08:57:04 AM
Something isn't a luxury based on how much it costs, it's based on whether it's something you don't actually need. Housing costs a fortune, for instance, but it's not a luxury to have a place to live. If you're in an area where you can get around easily without a car, it's a luxury, but a necessity is by definition the opposite of a luxury.

TurboDan

#41
May 22, 2012, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 22, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
Dead serious.

You of all Europeans should know that given how insane the insurance rates for teenage drivers are in the UK.

So once again, a car is a luxury in Europe. ANY CAR.

Judging by some of the European traffic jams I've been stuck in, it seems like everybody leads a pretty luxurious life over there.  :devil:

nickdrinkwater

#42
May 22, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: TurboDan on May 22, 2012, 09:09:15 AM
Judging by some of the European traffic jams I've been stuck in, it seems like everybody leads a pretty luxurious life over there.  :devil:

We do  :praise:  You should see how we live man.  My sister just bought a 2001 Yaris to get to work.  I told her to walk the 15 miles but she wanted to live a life of luxury  :rockon:

mzziaz

#43
May 22, 2012, 11:52:08 AM
:lol:
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2o6

#44
May 22, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on May 22, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
We do  :praise:  You should see how we live man.  My sister just bought a 2001 Yaris to get to work.  I told her to walk the 15 miles but she wanted to live a life of luxury  :rockon:

Wise choice.  :praise:

cawimmer430

#45
May 22, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on May 22, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
We do  :praise:  You should see how we live man.  My sister just bought a 2001 Yaris to get to work.  I told her to walk the 15 miles but she wanted to live a life of luxury  :rockon:

:lol:



You do know what I mean.

The costs of owning a car are becoming more and more outrageous in Europe. High fuel prices, taxation, the cost of servicing and spare parts and insurance all make OWNING ANY CAR (even a piece of shit 1990s Opel Corsa) A LUXURY.
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TurboDan

#46
May 23, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 22, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
:lol:



You do know what I mean.

The costs of owning a car are becoming more and more outrageous in Europe. High fuel prices, taxation, the cost of servicing and spare parts and insurance all make OWNING ANY CAR (even a piece of shit 1990s Opel Corsa) A LUXURY.

Then why don't you vote out the politicians who keep raising taxes to the point where simple items like economy cars become luxuries?

sportyaccordy

#47
May 30, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Quote from: TurboDan on May 14, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
I'm not saying the Buick Encore is a good idea, or the Trax is necessarily a bad idea, just that we're reaching market saturation with these crossovers beyond belief. If the Trax has something going for it, it's the fact that it doesn't look like a Fisher Price toy like a Juke, but GM can sell the type of vehicle 20 other automakers are selling, or they can make something different.
I thought market saturation was impossible.

2o6

#48
May 30, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 30, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
I thought market saturation was impossible.


....it's not saturated.

TurboDan

#49
May 30, 2012, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 30, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
I thought market saturation was impossible.

It's rare, but not impossible. I think we might be crossing into rare territory with the sheer number of crossover models at this point.

Colonel Cadillac

#50
May 31, 2012, 12:39:26 AM Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 12:42:15 AM by Colonel Cadillac
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 30, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
I thought market saturation was impossible.

It's not. Ever heard of the perfect competition concept?

EDIT: The perfect competition concept is never sought after by one manufacturer though, it just happens :lol:

cawimmer430

#51
May 31, 2012, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: TurboDan on May 23, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
Then why don't you vote out the politicians who keep raising taxes to the point where simple items like economy cars become luxuries?

Because every political group in Germany is in favor of these automotive taxes.

The worst offenders are the Green Party. Their name says it all...
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Galaxy

#52
May 31, 2012, 01:39:58 PM
Here is the Opel version. The Mokka.


2o6

#53
July 20, 2012, 10:27:59 PM
A live photo of the car shot in Ontario.



I think it looks really good, chunky and nice. Something I can't say about the Encore.




http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120719/AUTO03/207190372/1148/auto01/Sneak-peek-Chevrolet-Trax


Odd that Canada gets the Trax and Orlando despite their market being vastly smaller than ours.

68_427

#54
July 24, 2012, 02:15:54 PM
The Trax is pretty cool actually.
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2o6

#55
April 16, 2014, 05:30:37 AM
Now sold in the US.


This must be the "mystery small car" GM was talking about.



Power comes from the now ubiquitous 1.4T, mated to a 6AT and FWD or AWD. Underneath, it's a Buick Encore, but not as nice, and will be cheaper.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/15/2015-chevy-trax-official-pictures/

giant_mtb

#56
April 16, 2014, 08:23:10 AM
Looks goofy, but not bad. Like it's trying to be a miniature Terrain with a Chevy grille.

MrH

#57
April 16, 2014, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on April 16, 2014, 05:30:37 AM
Now sold in the US.


This must be the "mystery small car" GM was talking about.



Power comes from the now ubiquitous 1.4T, mated to a 6AT and FWD or AWD. Underneath, it's a Buick Encore, but not as nice, and will be cheaper.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/15/2015-chevy-trax-official-pictures/



Oh god. It's finally happening. I argued with GM for awhile about this because the potential added volume fucked up my capacity planning.
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2o6

#58
April 16, 2014, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: MrH on April 16, 2014, 09:18:27 AM
Oh god. It's finally happening. I argued with GM for awhile about this because the potential added volume fucked up my capacity planning.


Was this before they pulled out of Europe, though?

MrH

#59
April 16, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on April 16, 2014, 10:24:11 AM

Was this before they pulled out of Europe, though?

Yeah, but this was never projected to be a big seller over there I don't think.  If I remember correctly, the bulk of production was for South America originally.
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