The Official Sixth Gen Camaro Thread!

Started by Gotta-Qik-C7, January 19, 2015, 06:37:04 PM

SVT666

C&D ripped on the Camaro's interior.  It's the only reason the Mustang only finished 2 points behind it.

CaminoRacer

Quote from: SVT666 on November 23, 2015, 12:47:55 PM
C&D ripped on the Camaro's interior.  It's the only reason the Mustang only finished 2 points behind it.

For styling or cheapness?

New Mustang interior is quite nice compared to past ones. Would have hoped the Camaro followed suit.
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SVT666

Poorly laid out and harder to see out of than the previous car.  They called it a mess and that a human barely fits inside.  They also said blindspot monitoring will be made mandatory because of this car.

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Quote from: GoCougs on November 20, 2015, 08:53:00 PM
So why are you consistently so wrong on things so easily determined to be so - do you even Google, bro?

Firstly, the Camaro is the exact length of the e39 5 sedan. The Camaro is wider but also much shorter and of course it weighs 150 lbs less (540i).
No, the Camaro is longer.

Quote from: GoCougs on November 20, 2015, 08:53:00 PMSecondly, 10-20% more weight? Jesus, the M235i weighs 3,505 lbs vs. 3,650 lbs for the Camaro 1SS - that's ~4%. And again, it has far less power, less performance, and doesn't look very good. Also note the M235i is some 14" shorter which makes it a much heavier car, proportionately speaking.
Heavier proportionally? Lol.

Quote from: GoCougs on November 20, 2015, 08:53:00 PMThirdly, the current M3 is only 2.5" shorter, less than 1" narrower but 3" taller, with a smaller engine, and less power, yet, it only weighs ~100 lbs less than a Camaro 1SS. It's easy to make the argument that both the M3 and Camaro weigh proportionately about the same.
Again with this proportional weight BS.

Quote from: GoCougs on November 20, 2015, 08:53:00 PMFourth, the last M3 weighed the same as the current Camaro 1SS. Sure, it was smaller, but remember, it had carbon fiber bits and costs almost double vs. a Camaro 1SS.

You don't understand car design nor to you understand the market at large. If and until you do, this angst is gonna eat you up.
No, if anyone doesn't understand car design, it is whoever did the packaging for the 2016 Camaro. It's as big as an old 5 series with an interior not much bigger than a Subaru BRZ. Both the M235i and the current and last M3 coupes are significantly roomier inside, despite being significantly smaller outside. The packaging efficiency of the Camaro is horrible.
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MX793

New Camaro is like a quarter inch longer than the E39.  That could just be some front splitter protrusion that makes the difference.

Again, BMW 6 series is bigger than the 5th gen Camaro on the outside yet about the same size as the Camaro on the inside.
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Then the 6 series packaging sucks too

Genesis Coupe, 3/4 series coupe, Infiniti Q60 are all smaller but have bigger interiors and aside from the Q60 bigger trunks too. Cougs "argues" that the M235i is ugly.... I have never been big on the Camaro's looks and the 2016 is no different. My point is people buying these cars can't necessarily afford to just buy toys so practicality counts. And this Camaro is probably the worst of the bunch in that regard, for what seems like no reason.
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SVT666

Obviously, Sporty doesn't "get" pony cars.

GoCougs

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 25, 2015, 07:29:13 AM
Then the 6 series packaging sucks too

Genesis Coupe, 3/4 series coupe, Infiniti Q60 are all smaller but have bigger interiors and aside from the Q60 bigger trunks too. Cougs "argues" that the M235i is ugly.... I have never been big on the Camaro's looks and the 2016 is no different. My point is people buying these cars can't necessarily afford to just buy toys so practicality counts. And this Camaro is probably the worst of the bunch in that regard, for what seems like no reason.

So if the packaging and practicality suck so bad why are the can't-afford-toys folks buying way more Camaros than any of those coupes, and might be buying more Camaros than all those coupes combined?


Gotta-Qik-C7

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Quote from: GoCougs on November 25, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
So if the packaging and practicality suck so bad why are the can't-afford-toys folks buying way more Camaros than any of those coupes, and might be buying more Camaros than all those coupes combined?
Because the market wants image, not efficiency. Doesn't change the fact that the packaging sucks and could be better within the context of the market and purpose.
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FoMoJo

Quote from: SVT666 on November 25, 2015, 08:07:57 AM
Obviously, Sporty doesn't "get" pony cars.
Always been some of them guys around...but then, I could never understand why someone would want to take a simple little appliance and rice the shit out of it.
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MX793

#491
Z/28 vs GT350R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdtGgf1BF0

And the noises during the drag race at the end are unreal.
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Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: FoMoJo on November 25, 2015, 04:45:27 PM
Always been some of them guys around...but then, I could never understand why someone would want to take a simple little appliance and rice the shit out of it.
:hesaid:
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CaminoRacer

I'd sell my firstborn child for either.
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68_427

Jesus Jason is fucking annoying.  I miss Larry.
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no


SVT666

I just can't get over the noise that Stang makes.  It's intoxicating.

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Quote from: 68_427 on November 25, 2015, 10:26:37 PM
Jesus Jason is fucking annoying.  I miss Larry.
Who, the fat guy? Yea he was endearing. Jason is a really poor man's store brand Chris Harris. I will take both over Carlos "The Synthetic Human" Lago. Always felt like he was forcing his laughs.

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GoCougs

Hmmm. Here's a possible basis for the Z/28. A few years ago GM Performance developed a crate iron-block LS punched out to 454 cubes (7.4L). With carb it's 620 hp gross/~530 hp net. With EFI+DI and VVT 550-575 hp should be easy.


SVT666

I doubt it.  These engines aren't developed for mass production use.  They're developed for hot rods and racing.

Cookie Monster

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 26, 2015, 06:01:45 AM
Who, the fat guy? Yea he was endearing. Jason is a really poor man's store brand Chris Harris. I will take both over Carlos "The Synthetic Human" Lago. Always felt like he was forcing his laughs.



I liked Carlos Lago.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
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Quote from: SVT666 on November 26, 2015, 02:22:30 PM
I doubt it.  These engines aren't developed for mass production use.  They're developed for hot rods and racing.
Yea, no dice.... aftermarket has been building all motor LT1/4 beaters for decades. Easy to do for a car that doesn't have to meet emissions (or a TDI model)
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GoCougs

Uh, "possible basis" means block. The LSX454 would crush the Voodoo if it could be built for a factory car.

SVT666

Quote from: GoCougs on November 29, 2015, 08:03:12 PM
Uh, "possible basis" means block. The LSX454 would crush the Voodoo if it could be built for a factory car.
If they could, they would. It's likely incapable of passing emissions regs.

68_427

Quotewhere were you when automotive dream died
i was sat at home drinking brake fluid when wife ring
'racecar is die'
no


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Quote from: 68_427 on November 25, 2015, 10:26:37 PM
Jesus Jason is fucking annoying.  I miss Larry.

Jason Cammisa tries too hard.

ifcar

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 25, 2015, 07:29:13 AM
Then the 6 series packaging sucks too

Genesis Coupe, 3/4 series coupe, Infiniti Q60 are all smaller but have bigger interiors and aside from the Q60 bigger trunks too. Cougs "argues" that the M235i is ugly.... I have never been big on the Camaro's looks and the 2016 is no different. My point is people buying these cars can't necessarily afford to just buy toys so practicality counts. And this Camaro is probably the worst of the bunch in that regard, for what seems like no reason.

The Genesis Coupe has terrible packaging. It's big and wide because it's built from a full-size sedan, but the rear seat and trunk are as tiny as a Camaro.

MX793

Gen Coupe is over half a foot shorter in length than the Camaro.
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Gotta-Qik-C7

Page 180 of Jan issue of MT. Angus Mackenzie has an article titled "Revelation a Chevy that's better than a BMW" He compares the sixth Gen Camaro to the 340i. he declares the SS the all around better car while calling the 340i "Middle aged" while describing the Camaro as "reborn"!
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MX793

Would be interesting to see the Mustang and Camaro pitted against the 4-series.
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SVT666

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 30, 2015, 02:38:54 PM
Page 180 of Jan issue of MT. Angus Mackenzie has an article titled "Revelation a Chevy that's better than a BMW" He compares the sixth Gen Camaro to the 340i. he declares the SS the all around better car while calling the 340i "Middle aged" while describing the Camaro as "reborn"!
That's awesome.  It's too bad it's so ugly and hard to see out of though.  I'm glad the Camaro is this good.  It just means the Mustang mid-cycle update will be that much better.