With the tires that close to the fender, you're going to have to roll 5sure. That purple car has a slight pull in fact.

With enough camber you may be able to get away with a slight roll but even then I wouldn't be so sure.

Why not just spec wheels that fit instead of f'in around with spacers

Because stance is life bro.

OK, I gotta get the ball rolling on this shit. Friday night, gonna take off all my wheels and go get the new shits mounted. Then while they're doing that, swap the front studs to get the spacers on. What a mess But it's going to be so sick once it's all together.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2017, 08:11:03 AM
OK, I gotta get the ball rolling on this shit. Friday night, gonna take off all my wheels and go get the new shits mounted. Then while they're doing that, swap the front studs to get the spacers on. What a mess But it's going to be so sick once it's all together.

Sounds like a fun Friday night. 

Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint.

I'm waiting for the "FML guys I have to pull my fenders" post.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint.

I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 03, 2017, 09:50:16 AM
But that is like the absolute limit. Praying I don't need to get fenders roll't.

WUT      

that would be wacky.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint.

Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.

Yeah, that's gonna be a PITA.  There's a reason I have mud flaps on my truck, and it isn't necessarily for style.

Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.

This reduces street cred.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
Yeah, that's gonna be a PITA.  There's a reason I have mud flaps on my truck, and it isn't necessarily for style.

I want mudflaps, but for style reasons.

Three words:

Stretch.
And.
Poke.

Can't wait to see the first ever G37 stanced on Giovanni wheels.

I haven't been keeping track.  Is he putting coil-overs on it?

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 09:54:26 AM
I'm waiting for the "FML guys I have to pull my fenders" post.

I'm gonna jack up a rear corner tonight and really see how much clearance I have once the tire begins to tuck. Front tires will need an extra half an inch and the back won't change.

Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.

My back tires are already essentially flush with the fender and I haven't noticed any extra grime or damage.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
I'm gonna jack up a rear corner tonight and really see how much clearance I have once the tire begins to tuck. Front tires will need an extra half an inch and the back won't change.
My back tires are already essentially flush with the fender and I haven't noticed any extra grime or damage.

Back tires don't steer.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint.

I'm in.

What's the final setup actually?  What coilovers, what kind of drop, alignment specs, etc?  Wheel & tire size?  Sounds like pretty aggressive stancing.  If that's the case, I don't think handling dynamics are necessarily the end goal.

Won't the car be extra oversteery with almost an extra inch of track width up front?

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 12:22:59 PM
Won't the car be extra oversteery with almost an extra inch of track width up front?

Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that?    They had a huge difference between front and rear track.

Final setup will probably be:

- 19x9.5 +35 wheels and 255/40 tires square forever
- Reasonable alignment specs (~-1.5/-1.75 camber F/R, zero toe)
- Tein Flex Zs (Basic Zs are actually really good on the street but just a hair soft. Would be nice to have adjustable damping too)

Goals for this were, in order of priority
- Aggressive fitment
- Reasonable cost of operation/ownership (so no 305s or w/e, no super sticky fast wearing tires, no crazy alignment; square tires were mandatory)
- Good handling/ride balance
- Low road noise (so again no super wide tires)

I think it will work. I was just foiled by the OEM BBK; it's always a crapshoot with that. I would have thought a low offset wheel would mean MORE clearance, but that was not the case.

Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that?    They had a huge difference between front and rear track.

Yeah, for ultimate FWD cornering grip and mega s/c 3.8 utilization.

They also did it back in the day on the Bonneville. Google "Pontiac Wide Track."

Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that?    They had a huge difference between front and rear track.

The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.

"Wide-Track" was an old Pontiac ad campaign going back to the '50s, and it was more marketing pap than anything. Latter-day Grand Prix GXPs had a wider track in front to accommodate the 5.3 L V8, but regular V6-powered Grand Prixs did not. Pretty sure the Impala SS and Bonneville GXP did too.

EDIT:

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 01:52:14 PM
The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.

255 vs. 225. As far as I know that's where they got the extra axle track from: wider, deeper wheels. I don't know that the underlying suspension was any different between V6 and V8-powered Grand Prixs but I don't think so.

Why in the world would you run more camber in the rear then front?

That's how the suspension geometry works. I might get a camber kit for the rear

Remind me to get more popcorn 

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 01:52:14 PM
The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.

It was suppose to help with torque steer..........

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on September 07, 2017, 06:03:31 PM
It was suppose to help with torque steer..........

The staggered tires helped with terminal understeer.  Wheels/tires don't affect torque steer (that's up to halfshaft and suspension geometry).