Their self driving promises are going great too

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/can-tesla-make-up-for-autopilot-s-lost-year

Musk & Co. are praying ti the Jesus that the government mandates (and corresponding handouts) come to fruition. There is simply no rational business strategy to EVs in anything remotely resembling the current state of things.

Quote from: MrH on October 26, 2017, 09:30:42 AM
Their self driving promises are going great too

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/can-tesla-make-up-for-autopilot-s-lost-year

This should surprise no one.

Quote from: MrH on October 26, 2017, 09:30:42 AM
Their self driving promises are going great too

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/can-tesla-make-up-for-autopilot-s-lost-year

Didn't Tucker get into trouble by selling cars or features of cars that didn't exist yet?

Oh, and the UAW is coming after Tesla, saying the people they laid off were the ones pushing to unionize. Life must be splendid at Tesla right now

Quote from: MrH on October 26, 2017, 11:23:56 AM
Oh, and the UAW is coming after Tesla, saying the people they laid off were the ones pushing to unionize. Life must be splendid at Tesla right now

might assplode soon?

If so, watch for a firesale on a nationwide charging network.  Prime investment opportunity there!!

The video was sort of interesting. One point I noticed was their claim that having their manufacturing location next to (or near) their headquarters was some sort of advantage. I kind of see why they would think this from a "strategic" point of view, but not sure it will translate to profit based on my experience.

Our company has three sites that all make the same basic product. One of those sites is attached to our head office here in NJ. And...as one would expect, most engineering and R&D happens here and all the new technology gets rolled out here first (so the head office people can see and manage how things work in production). Once a technology is considered "settled" it is then rolled out to the satellite plants (in VA and IN, FWIW).

But what that means from a P&L point of view is that those two satellite plants are where we make all of our money. The manufacturing plant here in NJ is a perennial money loser. We keep it open and running because as I said there is strategic value in being able to deploy technology so close to our engineering and R&D facilities...but there is no expectation that this plant will ever make money (we mainly just try to keep the bleeding to a minimum).

Quote from: MrH on October 26, 2017, 11:23:56 AM
Oh, and the UAW is coming after Tesla, saying the people they laid off were the ones pushing to unionize. Life must be splendid at Tesla right now

Ha, ha! CA is NOT a right-to-work state, so here cometh the UAW. Trying not to gloat - I wouldn't wish that on anyone - even an entity so nonsensical as Tesla.

Quote from: Raza  on October 26, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
I would not get into a car that has a large Samsung battery. I want to live.

Radiant underfloor heating is quite the best way to keep your feet warm.

Quote from: Morris Minor on October 26, 2017, 04:42:55 PM
Radiant underfloor heating is quite the best way to keep your feet warm.

"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." Like the delivery of heat

Quote from: Raza  on October 26, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
I would not get into a car that has a large Samsung battery. I want to live.

Not sure if serious, but that would be akin to being afraid of flying because you might crash.

Quote from: giant_mtb on November 01, 2017, 11:52:15 AM
Not sure if serious, but that would be akin to being afraid of flying because you might crash.

Pretty sure Raza has a mild fear of flying...

Quote from: MX793 on November 01, 2017, 12:23:52 PM
Pretty sure Raza has a mild fear of flying...

Lol Tesla's quarterly report was terrible. Surprise surprise.

Quote from: MrH on November 01, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
Lol Tesla's quarterly report was terrible. Surprise surprise.

& cutting production of the X and S to ramp up production of the 3.

They're on totally separate lines. They're cutting X and S production because of demand.

lol - most quarterly revenue ever yet biggest quarter loss ever.

...So much for the "accurate" reporting that the hold up is because they are hand assembling the cars...

The "production" model 3 vehicles they've made wouldn't even classify as PT1 (production trial 1) builds for all other OEMs. And those aren't saleable vehicles for normal OEMs. Usually there's 3 production trials before you hit saleable too.

Also, they "built" zero in October. None. They're a train wreck.

Quote from: r0tor on November 01, 2017, 07:49:45 PM
...So much for the "accurate" reporting that the hold up is because they are hand assembling the cars...

Wouldn't that make it worse?

WSJ is all over this. Their relationship with Tesla has always been prickly.

Quote from: Morris Minor on November 02, 2017, 05:52:31 AM
WSJ is all over this. Their relationship with Tesla has always been prickly.

Cuz WSJ is traditional and wants real results, Tesla is the "we're better than everyone else! ... Cuz we say so!" attitude that traditionalists see right through. Just like many of y'all here see through their BS.  

History is littered with technically brilliant innovators who were first off the starting line but never made it to the finish. Tesla is staring this fate right in the face.

Someone bigger will come along &, probably with a technically inferior product, make a success of what Tesla started.

Quote from: Morris Minor on November 06, 2017, 02:15:45 PM
History is littered with technically brilliant innovators who were first off the starting line but never made it to the finish. Tesla is staring this fate right in the face.

Someone bigger will come along &, probably with a technically inferior product, make a success of what Tesla started.

I keep thinking of R. Buckminster Fuller in comparison (or more likely a dedicated patron thereof, as I don't think Musk himself is that accomplished as an engineer, but rather should be seen as a modern futurist).

You see his influence in designs everywhere, across most of the 20th century, but most of his projects were failures.

Quote from: Morris Minor on November 06, 2017, 02:15:45 PM
History is littered with technically brilliant innovators who were first off the starting line but never made it to the finish. Tesla is staring this fate right in the face.

Someone bigger will come along &, probably with a technically inferior product, make a success of what Tesla started.

If Elon would humble himself just by like .03%, he could complete his vision. His dreams are not that far fetched from reality, but his self-imposed deadlines and business model are.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 06, 2017, 02:30:26 PM
I don't think Musk himself is that accomplished as an engineer, but rather should be seen as a modern futurist).

SpaceX is kicking JAL's monopolist ass up and down the block and Musk was heavily involved in that effort.

"Tesla's head of battery engineering exits"

Hard hitting LinkedIn journalism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-moves-jon-wagner/teslas-head-of-battery-engineering-exits-idUSKBN1D62OO

Quote from: Laconian on November 06, 2017, 05:06:09 PM
SpaceX is kicking JAL's monopolist ass up and down the block and Musk was heavily involved in that effort.

Involved; as an organizer, a motivator, and a visionary. Not necessarily as an engineer.

Quote from: Laconian on November 06, 2017, 05:06:09 PM
SpaceX is kicking JAL's monopolist ass up and down the block and Musk was heavily involved in that effort.

There's a difference between being a brilliant visionary with enough grasp of engineering to have an idea of what might actually be possible and being a talented engineer.  I've worked with the former (well, not Musk levels of brilliant, but definitely an idea/vision person).  Spent a considerable amount of effort over the past few years cleaning up their messes because they weren't a particularly great engineer (i.e. not detail oriented or process oriented) since they've moved onward and upward in the chain.  A real knack for seeing a new technology and seeing a way to incorporate it into what we do, though.