Lexus builds a hybrid luxury liner with more spark than bite













Lexus isn't after high-income buyers with the 2008 Lexus LS 600h L.

"These people don't have income," one Lexus official told us about the target buyer for the LS 600h. "They have wealth. Money isn't the concern. Instead they're concerned about prestige, appearance and the statement their car makes about them."

In other words, they don't buy a Lexus. In fact, Lexus says the company's V8-powered LS 460 isn't even considered. "These people have a very short shopping list and we're not on it" is the way one Lexus executive put it. "The sedans they buy are the 12-cylinder Mercedes S600, BMW 760Li and Audi A8."

To compete, Lexus needed a new flagship, one with a six-figure price tag and more power. So the company has created the LS 600h L, a V8-powered hybrid sedan that is first and foremost a luxury liner. It's built to provide the world's wealthiest citizens the same sort of serene, seamless and abundant thrust they would get in a 12-cylinder ultraluxury sedan, only without resorting to all those additional cylinders.

To accomplish this, Lexus has combined its largest ever V8 with a supplementary electric motor and battery pack. The result is the most expensive Lexus ever built and the only car in the ultraluxury class that qualifies as a Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle (SULEV).

Dense-Pack Technology
At 202.8 inches, the LS 600h L is the same length as its near-twin LS 460 L, but it's not particularly vast compared to the Mercedes S600, which stretches out 205.0 inches. In addition to all the equipment that an LS 460 L carries, the hybrid adds all-wheel drive with a front differential and a Torsen center differential, an additional planetary gearset, two "motor generator" electric motors, a power inverter, a nickel-metal hydride battery, and a long tangle of wires and cables. All of which weighs a ton.

Well, not really a ton, but it all does add 887 pounds to the car, which crushed our scales to the tune of 5,219 pounds. That's 887 pounds more than an LS 460 L, and 344 pounds more than the curb weight Mercedes claims for the S600 V12. And all that weight mutes this jumbo hybrid's performance.

It also leaves this big sedan with very little trunk. Hey, all that stuff has to go somewhere, and accommodating the batteries and motors shrinks trunk space 35 percent from the LS 460's 18 cubic feet to just 11.7.

Bigger V8
To compensate for the weight increase, Lexus has added stroke to the all-aluminum 4.6-liter V8 it uses in the LS 460. It now displaces 5.0 liters, but the two engines are otherwise nearly identical, with double-overhead cams, 32 valves and variable valve-timing. Rated at 389 horsepower, nine more than the LS 460 V8, the engine feeds a continuously variable transmission that in turn is plumbed into the drivetrain, parallel with the electric motors.

With the V8 and the electric motors working together, there's a total (Lexus tells us) of 438 hp available to push around the LS 600h L. That's identical to BMW's claimed output for the 760Li's 6.0-liter V12, but behind the 510-hp Mercedes claims for the S600's 5.5-liter V12.

Fast, But Not Faster
The LS 600h L's hybrid system operates in three modes: "Hybrid," "Power" or "Snow." The default setting is "Hybrid," which is supposed to provide smooth operation. Meanwhile, "Power" sharpens accelerator response and "Snow" softens response to make acceleration on slippery surfaces more manageable.

Our best acceleration times in the preproduction test car came with the system set on "Power" and the transmission in Sport mode. The 0-to-60-mph sprint took 6.0 seconds and the quarter-mile went by in 14.3 seconds at 101 mph. For a big, heavy sedan, that's not bad, but the conventional LS 460 L is just as quick. It hits 60 mph in 5.9 seconds and rips through the quarter-mile in the same 14.3 seconds.

This isn't much of a surprise, since the LS 600h L and LS 460 L have similar power-to-weight ratios. Each of the hybrid's 438 ponies must lug 11.9 pounds, while each of the LS 460 L's carries 11.4, and the cheaper car doesn't have to overcome the parasitic drag inherent in an all-wheel-drive system.

Still Thirsty
Of course the compensating virtue of the hybrid drivetrain should be fuel economy. And since it will run solely on its battery at low speeds and shut off its V8 whenever the car comes to a stop, the LS 600h L does have an advantage in stop-and-go traffic. Lexus predicts that final EPA mileage ratings will have the hybrid LS rated at 20 mpg in the city compared to 18 mpg for the LS 460 L and 19 mpg for the shorter LS 460.

But on the highway, where the LS 600h L's larger V8 is always running ? always hauling around 887 additional pounds, and always churning all four wheels ? the advantage is clearly with the LS 460 models. Both the LS 460 and LS 460 L are rated by the EPA at a commendable 27 mpg on the highway while the LS 600h L (Lexus predicts), will carry a so-so 22 mpg rating on the highway.

Clearly what fuel economy benefits the LS 600h L might have depend on conditions. Driven like a New York City taxicab, the LS 600h L probably drinks less fuel than an LS 460 L. But on the open highway, the laws of physics work against it, and the conventional car will be more parsimonious.

Lavish, Luscious and Creamy
Like all the cars in this lofty class of transportation, the LS 600h L comes loaded with equipment ranging from power everything to a Mark Levinson sound system that seems to put the Duke Ellington Orchestra in the backseat. There's also a navigation system, abundant safety systems and enough tiny little switches strewn about the cockpit to intimidate a veteran pilot of a Boeing 747.

The seats are covered in buttery leather and they're all heated (the fronts are cooled, too). And if that's not enough, buyers can opt for the "Executive Class Seating Package" which turns the rear seat into a mobile office and massage center. Trouble is, there's virtually no amenity available on the LS 600h L that isn't also optional on the LS 460.

And of course, this is the car that parks itself.

Not a Sport Sedan
If the Lexus LS has been criticized for anything it's a lack of passion in its driving experience, and the same can be said for the LS 600h L. The machinations of the hybrid system, while subdued, add another layer of insulation between the driver and the road. As an automotive isolation chamber, the LS 600h is among the world's best, but this is not a sport sedan by any stretch of the imagination.

But it's not meant to be. It's responsive and it handles well, but even with the standard air suspension set in Sport mode this is a softly sprung car. And the electric power steering, while accurate, is numb despite being connected to the road by big 245/45R19 tires.

Those big tires, all-wheel drive and the optional antiroll system Lexus calls Active Power Stabilizer System do make the LS 600h L more athletic than an LS 460 L. It recorded 0.82g on our skid pad and snaked through our slalom at 62.6 mph. Neither performance is exactly in the sporting category, but they both represent improvements over the LS 460 L.

The larger brakes from the LS 460 L Touring package are also standard and stop this heavy sedan in just 120 feet, some 16 feet shorter than the LS 460 L which wore the standard brakes.

Tough To Justify
In a class where exclusivity counts, the $104,715 hybrid LS should rattle a few cages. Only 2,000 will be built this year for sale in the United States, and we have little doubt each will be sold quickly.

Still, this car is hard to justify on its merits. It's no quicker or more refined than its far cheaper, conventional brother, the LS 460 L, and it has a smaller trunk. Even its fuel economy advantage is conditional at best.

Truth be told, for those who want a socially responsible luxury car, the LS 600h L isn't even the best choice at the Lexus store. The slightly smaller GS 450h is also a hybrid, but uses a V6 instead of a V8 and consequently gets better fuel economy ? an EPA-rated 25 mpg in the city and 28 mpg on the highway. An argument can even be made that the base LS 460 is the "green" LS model. It's simpler to assemble, uses fewer energy-intensive parts, should be easier to recycle at the end of its life, and gets 19 mpg city and 27 mpg highway.

With the word "Hybrid" boldly displayed on each of its rear doors, the LS 600h L certainly makes a unique and strong statement in the luxury-car world. It's certainly the world's first politically correct luxury automobile, but we think it should be more than that.

Vehicle Tested:
2008 Lexus LS 600h Hybrid 4dr Sedan
MSRP of Test Vehicle: $111,715

What Works:
Beautiful and comfortable interior; amazingly quiet; elegant composure.

What Needs Work:
Heavy and feels it; not as fuel-efficient as you expect a hybrid to be; dinky trunk; not quick enough to be competition for a V12.

Bottom Line:
An interesting technological exercise.

any initial sales figures?

i'm all for choice. if i had the money, i'd have a 12 cylinder mercedes-benz s-class in my 8 car garage (my fantacy). however, if all of my neighbors in palm beach, fl, owned a new 'benz, i might very well go with the luxus to be distinct. i would worry about the significant decrease in truck size on the lwb lexus, though, due to rear aircondioned, reclining maybach-like seating.

I WANT ONE

Quote from: TheIntrepid on April 21, 2007, 05:51:09 PM


I WANT ONE

chrysler intrepid? must be from canada, where many, if not all, dodges are badged chryslers.

I'd never buy this car.  The added weight, complexity and money don't add up.

"Hard to Justify" from Edmunds talking about a Toyota product, is a scathing criticism.

Quote from: Atomic on April 21, 2007, 05:58:19 PM
chrysler intrepid? must be from canada, where many, if not all, dodges are badged chryslers.

Either that or I"m a ricer.


J/K. Toronto.

Quote from: Catman on April 21, 2007, 06:02:59 PM
I'd never buy this car.  The added weight, complexity and money don't add up.

With disadvantages like the cut trunk space and no better fuel economy, it's a horrible choice in this market.  Actually, all Lexus hybrids are.

Quote from: TheIntrepid on April 21, 2007, 06:11:07 PM
Either that or I"m a ricer.


J/K. Toronto.

toronto? that explains it! a ricer ? isn't it you who has a parent that just aquired a brand new 2007 camry? guess you're both, dude  !

Quote from: sandertheshark on April 21, 2007, 06:08:46 PM
"Hard to Justify" from Edmunds talking about a Toyota product, is a scathing criticism.

yeah they make a good point, though...there's no reason I would buy this over a 460L. if I wanted to save 2 mpg, I wouldn't be in the market for a $100k car

Yawn....boring. I would be so distracted by those pretty displays and lights all over. Anyway, this can't touch any mercedes, Audi, or BMW. Too boring and over--thought. Driving purity is more important than gizmos. Imagine this car breaking down, might as well scrap it right there if the electrics go down.

Man, that car looks so good.

Fuck this.

Quote from: TheIntrepid on April 21, 2007, 05:51:09 PM


I WANT ONE

are you serious?

So you could possibly save 2 mpg in town, and qualify SULEV, but return 5mpg worse on the highway, weigh more, be slower, have less trunkspace and the same interior as a LS460 L?

They wanted to compete with German V-12's?  Do they realize they are half a second behind the A8 and 760 in terms of 0-60, and nearly 2 seconds behind the S-600?

Granted, 0-60 times are not the most important aspect of a large luxury Saloon, but I assume that was the point of this addition of power (it clearly wasn't for economy)

Brilliant, Lexus. 

Lexus really screwed up on this one. It's funny just how dumb it is.

Finally, a hybrid that breaks the mold. A hybrid that says "You've arrived." A hybrid that gets worse mileage than it's gasoline counterparts. It's just another first from Lexus. Lexus, the passionate pursuit of perfection.

Quote from: mazda6er on April 21, 2007, 10:51:13 PM
Finally, a hybrid that breaks the mold. A hybrid that says "You've arrived." A hybrid that gets worse mileage than it's gasoline counterparts. It's just another first from Lexus. Lexus, the passionate pursuit of perfection.

I wonder what the douchebag who speaks in their commercials is going to sound like talking about this one...

At least the car looks sweet, the back end looks awesome with that exhaust.

What a laughably pointless car.

Plus:  It's the ultimate luxury car, no doubt.

Minuses:  Trunk space, price, it isn't a Mercedes, acceleration, fuel economy, German factor, etc.

Seriously, if I ponied up $140k for an S600, what's the point of the LS600h?  Seriously?  It isn't like someone in this price range couldn't finance another $30k.

Quote from: JYODER240 on April 21, 2007, 08:06:41 PM
are you serious?

My uncle at one point wanted to swap the S550 for an LS460L, but I convinced him against it.

Quote from: the Teuton on April 22, 2007, 03:56:26 AM
Plus: hybrid badge to impress your trust-fund, fair-weather, faux-granola "friends"

Minuses:  everything

^

It's a very nice car. It's also a very stupid idea. At that price range, I can't see the hybrid image being very valuable, especially since it isn't impressively more efficient, and it's not any quicker than the regular 460L. If they wanted to compete with the V12 ultra-lux sedans, they should have built a V12. They can afford it, and I'm willing to bet it would have gotten more attention from that crowd than this will.

Quote from: thewizard16 on April 22, 2007, 03:25:22 PM
It's a very nice car. It's also a very stupid idea. At that price range, I can't see the hybrid image being very valuable, especially since it isn't impressively more efficient, and it's not any quicker than the regular 460L. If they wanted to compete with the V12 ultra-lux sedans, they should have built a V12. They can afford it, and I'm willing to bet it would have gotten more attention from that crowd than this will.

Who knows?  The name "Hybrid" might make it a big image seller. 

"Oh, yes.  It's a Prius for the country club!"

Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8718.msg425508#msg425508 date=1177284099
Who knows?? The name "Hybrid" might make it a big image seller.?

"Oh, yes.? It's a Prius for the country club!"

Maybe at your country club!

This is nothing more than a bragging exercise for the engineering department.  "Look at all we managed to cram into one vehicle and it WORKS!!"  Yet, according to Lexus, the first years run is already sold out.  What's that saying about a fool and his money.......

Nothing like being a magazine racer, but most likely your average exec (Mark Mullaly) will blow about $20k in options on that car.  So let's assume the OTD price will be something like $125k.  Your average Benz owner should be OTD for around $150k, I would imagine.  The Benz in real world driving should be good for about 12-15 mpg.  The Lexus will get 17-21ish, probably.  The Lexus has a claimed 0-60 time of 5.8 seconds, while we know that the Benz will do the same thing as quickly as a Ferrari F430.  Who's going to be happier with their car?  Answer honestly.