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[TurboDan]

The display of police bashing (guess no one saw the stickied posts) in the California tuner ticket thread rose to a level rarely seen here.  It is unacceptable, and the behavior of a few led to an even greater number of people joining in and piling on.

If such a response to a thread emerges again, this forum will be permanently deleted by the mods.

- Dan

[the Teuton]

This forum...is crying.

This forum has seen a lot of loves
But it's never gonna see another one like I had with you.

[Cookie Monster]

This forum...is crying.

This forum has seen a lot of loves
But it's never gonna see another one like I had with you.

[Raza]

Taking away the playground doesn't stop the bullies.

[Raza]

And finally, a Driving and the Law thread that got out of hand and it wasn't my fault!  I'm thrilled.

[Middle_Path]

Just close it then, seriously. If you can't criticize police actions in this forum then forget it. I could go on further, but nevermind. How absurd and biased towards one group.

[280Z Turbo]

Just close it then, seriously. If you can't criticize police actions in this forum then forget it. I could go on further, but nevermind. How absurd and biased towards one group.

1.) We need police to enforce laws.
2.) Police don't come up with the laws, politicians do. Blame them.
3.) All LEOs are different. Some are pricks, some are just regular guys. Why trash the whole group based on the actions of a few?

[Middle_Path]

1.) We need police to enforce laws.
2.) Police don't come up with the laws, politicians do. Blame them.
3.) All LEOs are different. Some are pricks, some are just regular guys. Why trash the whole group based on the actions of a few?

I agree with all of the above, but if you can't bash the actions of a few then...???

Like I said before, nevermind.

[GoCougs]

The unacceptable bashing seemed to come from a relative few in that thread - that's where I'd start. (Maybe already done...)

[Rupert]

There were immature posts from both sides, along with some that were good. Most of the police bashing that I saw seemed provoked, at least towards the end of the thread. At any rate, my point, without dragging the whole thing back up, is that it's a bit one-sided to just blame the people who were bashing the police for what that thread turned into, and it's unfair to just let the LEOs who made immature posts go just because they are LEOs, which is what sometimes seems to happen.

At any rate, that thing did get pretty retarded.

[Catman]

There were immature posts from both sides, along with some that were good. Most of the police bashing that I saw seemed provoked, at least towards the end of the thread. At any rate, my point, without dragging the whole thing back up, is that it's a bit one-sided to just blame the people who were bashing the police for what that thread turned into, and it's unfair to just let the LEOs who made immature posts go just because they are LEOs, which is what sometimes seems to happen.

At any rate, that thing did get pretty retarded.

I can blame people on both sides on this one but when criticism leads to insults that's a problem.  When people are insulted they feel the need to respond and the cycle starts.  So, at least in my opinion, the blame lies with the posters that entered the discussion with the juvenile bashing, not the response, that's another story. 

Personally, I think there's some serious maturity issues going on with some members here.  Not sure what to do about it yet, but something will be done.

[Byteme]

Just close it then, seriously. If you can't criticize police actions in this forum then forget it. I could go on further, but nevermind. How absurd and biased towards one group.

Topics like the one in question can be discussed rationally without resorting to hurling insults and bashing the police, ricers or any other group. I've no problem with criticizm, mindless insults on the other hand only serve to derail what could be a fruitful discussion.   

The problem as I see it are posts like "FUCK POLICE FUCK POLICE FUCK" that typically add no value and simply serve to stir the pot.

Leave the forum up and running and just start immediately banning those who post garbage like the above example.

[Catman]

Topics like the one in question can be discussed rationally without resorting to hurling insults and bashing the police, ricers or any other group. I've no problem with criticizm, mindless insults on the other hand only serve to derail what could be a fruitful discussion.   

The problem as I see it are posts like "FUCK POLICE FUCK POLICE FUCK" that typically add no value and simply serve to stir the pot.

Leave the forum up and running and just start immediately banning those who post garbage like the above example.

Thank you.  You said it better than I.

[Soup DeVille]

1.) We need police to enforce laws.
2.) Police don't come up with the laws, politicians do. Blame them.
3.) All LEOs are different. Some are pricks, some are just regular guys. Why trash the whole group based on the actions of a few?

Police officer organizations do however lobby for various laws, and have a good deal of influence on the politicians who pass them. Department heads are often consulted when passing new laws as well.

I agree wthat's it's unfair to bash all cops based on he actions of a few, but to hold police entirely blameless in laws that they may have had significant influence in passing isn't the whole truth either.

And yes, it got out of hand.

[SVT666]

I just read the thread in question and I'm in absolute shock.  A few of you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves.  I couldn't believe who some of the posters were either.  I typically stay out of the Law and Order forum because arguments in here do get pretty childish, but never like that.

[J86]

I typically stay out of the Law and Order forum because arguments in here do get pretty childish.

bada-bing!

[dsred]

So pray tell Dan, where can one go to legitimately criticize police actions, and not have it called "bashing"? There were maybe one or two "offensive" posts before one of our resident LEO's who will remain nameless did the ole internet "appeal to authority" trick.

No one was "personally" criticized right up until that moment. You need to affix blame where it belongs this time.

[TurboDan]

Taking away the playground doesn't stop the bullies.

Banning does, however. 

[TurboDan]

Topics like the one in question can be discussed rationally without resorting to hurling insults and bashing the police, ricers or any other group. I've no problem with criticizm, mindless insults on the other hand only serve to derail what could be a fruitful discussion.   

The problem as I see it are posts like "FUCK POLICE FUCK POLICE FUCK" that typically add no value and simply serve to stir the pot.

Leave the forum up and running and just start immediately banning those who post garbage like the above example.

Correct.  The poster who made that post has been temporarily banned to get the message across.

[TurboDan]

So pray tell Dan, where can one go to legitimately criticize police actions, and not have it called "bashing"?

Err... jail?  A rap studio? The Democratic National Convention? 

[TurboDan]

Police officer organizations do however lobby for various laws, and have a good deal of influence on the politicians who pass them. Department heads are often consulted when passing new laws as well.

Department heads are consulted on police budgets - that's where they have the most influence.  As far as new laws, most police chiefs are asked by members of the state or local governing bodies how and if they can enforce a pending law, not whether they like it or not.  Politicians are arrogant - they don't care what police officers (or citizens) think, in general.

[Tave]

No one was "personally" criticized right up until that moment. You need to affix blame where it belongs this time.

If there's one thing we've learned at the C&D forums, it's that the LEOs who are nice enough to come on the boards and help us out leave pretty quickly with the frequent police bashing that goes on. 

At this site, we want any LEO that stumbles onto the forum to feel welcome and stick around!  The vast majority of forum members respect and welcome the police officers who are kind enough to answer questions and join in on the discussions.  And it does all of us some good to see things from their point of view as well!

So, while everyone is welcome to air their gripe about that nasty ticket they got or rant about "the system," remember that the police officers are out there doing a tough job.  Any topics containing inappropriate bashing of law enforcement will be deleted.

We don't want to support "general" police bashing, either. It doesn't matter if it's personal or not.

[Tave]

Did Nick catch a ban?

[Cookie Monster]

Did Nick catch a ban?

Yes.

[Tave]

Anyone else?

[Cookie Monster]

Anyone else?

I dunno, maybe Rohan, but I'm not sure.

[CALL_911]

I dunno, maybe Rohan, but I'm not sure.

With what he sent drinkwater, I think he deserved it more than Nick.

[Catman]

Randy banned himself.

[Cookie Monster]

Randy banned himself.

How long? And why would he do that?

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Randy banned himself.

Kinky