2009 ford flex

Started by Submariner, June 23, 2008, 11:54:25 PM

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2009 Ford Flex Review

By Justin Berkowitz


When it comes to family-hauling vehicular solutions, we're at the end of the tunnel. In the face of $5 a gallon gas, SUV and minivan sales have vaporized. The mushroom cloud of market crash is overhead. One need only look at the discrepancy between SUV/CUV and small car sales to realize we're in the dystopic, post-apocalyptic era? as far as Detroit's concerned. While Ford rushes its Fiesta compact into production (hola!) and focuses on its existing passenger cars, they've come up with the Flex, a big-ass people mover. Seven seats and xB style. How great is that?

Rather than opt for a swoopy crossover or an SUV lookalike, the Flex's designers settled on a boxy two-box design. The headline details: the contrasting color roof, the Woody-reminiscent side strakes and an aluminum trimmed tailgate. The Flex looks great. Even better? and more significantly? it looks different. The Flex stands apart from its competitors, from the Honda Pilot to the GMC Acadia. In today's market? where many products are comparable in overall function and performance? that's a good thing, not a bad thing. The Flex may not be polarizing enough to fall into J. Mays's intended "love it or hate it" category, but it's what Ford needed to do here. It's a distinctive vehicle in the overcrowded segment.

09fordflex_25_hr.jpgOnce you get the people in the dealership door, what's it like inside? Inside the door of the Ford dealership, it's dusty. Inside the Flex, we find Ford's finest-ever interior, at least on this side of the Atlantic. The Flex's fit and finish, the interior detailing and the materials involved are all top shelf. If I was a Ford dealer, I'd be worried about having a Flex on the floor next to everything else.

The Flex's seats are extremely cushy and supporting, wrapped with either herringbone patterned cloth (shades of VW) or leather. Frasier's father would want one of these chairs in his son's living room, which is probably smaller than the Flex's second row. The six-inch-stretched D3 platform's wheelbase makes for such an expansive second row that the Flex betters the livery-standard Lincoln Towncar in every way.

09fordflex_31_hr.jpgThe Flex's third row is? functional. Functional in the sense that the way back is inside the car, that it is, in fact, the third row, and a few smaller human beings of smaller stature would be happy in situ, though only two at a time (or three, if the people are Jessica Biel, Kate Beckinsdale and me).

The flip ?n fold mechanism is the same one that's used in the what-the-hell-do-we-do-with-it-now? Ford Taurus X. The Flex's folding seats are jerky and not especially intuitive. They also became stuck on my test car. (Oops.) Once everything is folded flat, including the front passenger seat, we're looking enough cargo space for the most lifestyle challenged slacker. But let's not carried away here (literally): the Flex is not a realistic alternative to a mega-SUV or minivan for hauling aptitude.

Ford is touting the Flex's available toys and creature comforts. In the interest of space, we're talking about a huge touch-screen navigation system, SYNC gen 2, a compressor-driven refrigerator, up to four sunroofs (or as few as none), optional 19" wheels, heated rear seats, rear A/C outlet, etc.. Either you want these fripperies (Jeez that's expensive for a Ford) or you don't (flexible credit terms available ).

09flex_skv8618_hr.jpgThe Flex's driving experience? previously embargoed in the name of "Save the Buff Books"? is perfectly fine. The CUV packs a 262 horsepower 3.5-liter V6 hooked  up to a six-speed automatic and optional all wheel drive. None of the these three factoids is particularly relevant. This is a car for people who don't care about driving. By the same token, insulation isolation is the Flex's trump card. The Flex has a Tempurpedic-quality ride and enough laminated glass to crate a recording studio. In fact, you could hear a pin drop at 75 miles per hour? although what you're doing fooling around with a sharp object at that speed is anybody's guess.

There are two reasons for FoMoCo suits to be worried about the Flex's prospects. First, this concept isn't new; even in recent years (see: Chrysler Pacifica and Ford Taurus X). Second, the Flex's fuel economy (17/24 mpg) is no better than other crossovers like GMC's Acadia (16/24). As Frank Williams has reported, SUV refugees are skipping straight to cars, and for good reason.

09flex_skv8463_hr.jpgStill, the Ford Flex is a lovable machine. It's the first completely, bumper-to-bumper "finished" car Ford has made in many, many years. And it's one of the most? if not THE most? pleasant machine in which to passenger? at least in the first two rows. With the SUV exodus in full swing, Ford will have to hope that style trumps fuel economy. Chances are iffy.





Thoughts, comments? 
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Laconian

I don't understand why Ford followed this formula, the segment is so overcrowded as it is!  I would love this car if it was xB sized and motivated by a four cylinder engine. Lose the third row, too. That would be fantastic, and I know it would sell better than this thing.
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omicron

It's marvellous!

But you all knew I was going to say that.

nickdrinkwater

Looks like a cheap knock off of a Range Rover.

ifcar

Quote from: Laconian on June 24, 2008, 12:19:15 AM
I don't understand why Ford followed this formula, the segment is so overcrowded as it is!  I would love this car if it was xB sized and motivated by a four cylinder engine. Lose the third row, too. That would be fantastic, and I know it would sell better than this thing.

Someone already sells a 4-cylinder xB-sized box (Scion), and that's a lower-volume (and presumably lower-profit) market segment than passenger hauler. Ford has nothing popular in a fairly strong market segment (two if you count both midsize/large crossover and minivan), so that's the market they correctly went after.

SVT666

Quote from: Laconian on June 24, 2008, 12:19:15 AM
I don't understand why Ford followed this formula, the segment is so overcrowded as it is!  I would love this car if it was xB sized and motivated by a four cylinder engine. Lose the third row, too. That would be fantastic, and I know it would sell better than this thing.
It would be a totally different car and in a totally different segment. :nutty:

The Flex is based on the Freestyle/Taurus X so I have no doubts its a very good car.

nickdrinkwater

Quote from: HEMI666 on June 24, 2008, 07:20:03 AM
It would be a totally different car and in a totally different segment. :nutty:

The Flex is based on the Freestyle/Taurus X so I have no doubts its a very good car.

Those cars have hardly been as successful as Ford hoped though, right?

Catman

I suspect that this won't do much better than the Taurus X but I could be mistaken.  Reminds me of when GM put a long nose on their vans so they wouldn't look like vans.  I don't know if this will flop of not.  I kind of like the Taurus X but I think they should have gave it some better styling. :huh:

Laconian

Quote from: ifcar on June 24, 2008, 06:01:50 AM
Someone already sells a 4-cylinder xB-sized box (Scion), and that's a lower-volume (and presumably lower-profit) market segment than passenger hauler. Ford has nothing popular in a fairly strong market segment (two if you count both midsize/large crossover and minivan), so that's the market they correctly went after.
Quote from: HEMI666 on June 24, 2008, 07:20:03 AM
It would be a totally different car and in a totally different segment. :nutty:
No kidding. That's my point, I wish the effort put into this car was aimed at the xB-like segment instead of the 7 passenger CUV segment. The latter segment is overcrowded and their thirst will make them increasingly unpalatable for consumers going forward.

A shrunken Flex, like an xB without the weird Darth Vader looks, would sell like hotcakes. I guess now I'm describing the Mini Clubman. :|
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ifcar

Quote from: Catman on June 24, 2008, 09:56:43 AM
I suspect that this won't do much better than the Taurus X but I could be mistaken.  Reminds me of when GM put a long nose on their vans so they wouldn't look like vans.  I don't know if this will flop of not.  I kind of like the Taurus X but I think they should have gave it some better styling. :huh:

The problem with the GM vans wasn't the nose, it was that they stuck the nose on 8-year-old products that were never outstanding. The Flex has substance.

SVT666

Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 24, 2008, 09:37:36 AM
Those cars have hardly been as successful as Ford hoped though, right?
The problem with the Freestyle/Taurus X is that Ford has never publicized them.  I have never seen a commercial for them, and I've never seen a print ad for them.  I have people who ask me what our Freestyle is all the time.  I tell it's a Freestyle and they say, "Huh.  Never heard of it.  It looks pretty nice, do you like it?".  A friend of ours actually bought one after they rode in ours one day and they said they had never heard of it before that day.  They had seen them around and always wondered what they were.  Ford totally dropped the ball with the Freestyle/Taurus X.

SVT666

Quote from: Laconian on June 24, 2008, 01:06:22 PM
No kidding. That's my point, I wish the effort put into this car was aimed at the xB-like segment instead of the 7 passenger CUV segment. The latter segment is overcrowded and their thirst will make them increasingly unpalatable for consumers going forward.

A shrunken Flex, like an xB without the weird Darth Vader looks, would sell like hotcakes. I guess now I'm describing the Mini Clubman. :|
Why?  The xB isn't exactly burning up the charts.  People need family cars.  The Freestyle/Taurus X and now Flex all get pretty decent mileage that is better then most or all in this segment.

Tave

I think it looks sharp.
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Quote from: thecarnut on March 16, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
Depending on price, that could be a good deal.

SJ_GTI

Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 24, 2008, 09:37:36 AM
Those cars have hardly been as successful as Ford hoped though, right?

You are right they weren't sales successes, but they were actually very good. I had a Freestyle as a rental (once by accident, the second time intentionally) and I was very impressed with it. It was very practical (especially when carrying lots of people and/or stuff) and it drive surprisingly well for something of its size.

They were a bit boring to look at and the engine was a bit weak (though perfectly adequate). This Flex seems to fix both of those issues while at the same time being even more practical.

For Ford's sake I hope this truck/CUV is a success. They need it.

FoMoJo

From an article on Jim Farley's marketing strategy for the Flex...http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/FREE/123903851/1530/FREE

Ford Motor Co. will market its new seven-passenger crossover without focusing on one of its biggest potential customer categories: families.

The 2009 Ford Flex will go on sale in June, said Kate Pearce, Flex marketing manager. But don't expect kids and dogs to show up in the advertising, even though the Flex is roomy enough to haul around the paraphernalia of modern-day families.

Instead, Ford will try to position the Flex as a trendsetting vehicle for people wanting a stylish ride. The automaker will reach out to urban and suburban consumers alike, even those without children, Pearce said.

"There's much more to this vehicle when you look at it rather than just narrowly defining it as a family crossover," she said. "It is the style that draws people to this vehicle. Good or bad, it evokes an emotion."

The marketing strategy is a departure from the positioning that Ford initially developed for the Flex. The agent of change? Ford's new marketing chief, Jim Farley.


Farley at work
When Farley arrived at Ford last fall, he saw the potential to pitch Flex as a cool vehicle suitable for both trendsetters and families, Pearce said.

The Flex team already had been exploring ways to hype the bold look, but Farley's guidance turned the positioning around. Ford marketers decided not to limit the Flex's potential by painting it so visibly with the family brush.

"So it's caused us to second-guess and take a second look and kind of widen it up and say, 'You know what, you don't have to have a family to love the car,' " Pearce said.

Ford expects the Flex to sell well on the West and East coasts, as well as in some major metro areas in the middle of the country. Flex pricing will start at $28,995, including shipping, and will approach the mid-$40,000 range. Ford expects natural customer traffic to come from people who have been driving mid- and full-sized SUVs.

Ford marketers don't worry that the Flex is priced too high because many consumers switching from SUVs to crossovers are actually coming down in price, Pearce said.


Minivan stigma
The Flex marketing strategy is also part of an effort to escape the perceived minivan stigma. Ford dropped sliding rear doors that initially had been planned for the Flex. Using cheaper conventional rear doors freed up money to improve the interior.

That interior, in addition to the Flex's exterior looks, will be showcased in the advertising campaign, Pearce said. Families will find the car even without overt target marketing, she said.

Themes for the commercials aren't final, but they will come back to potential consumers' desire to express a personal sense of style.

Said Pearce: "You can't not want to be noticed when you drive down the road in a two-tone vehicle with really cool grooves down the side."



I hope it works for them.  The advantage they have is that, so far, nothing else in that category looks like it.
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ifcar

Terrible idea. People who don't care what their car looks like will write it off as a fashion statement car and never realize how practical it is.

SVT666

Quote from: ifcar on June 25, 2008, 08:49:00 AM
Terrible idea. People who don't care what their car looks like will write it off as a fashion statement car and never realize how practical it is.
I agree.  Besides, when the "trendsetters" go look at the car and realize it's got 3 rows of seating and it absolutely cavernous inside, they're going to say, "This is a family car".

Vinsanity

QuoteFarley at work
When Farley arrived at Ford last fall, he saw the potential to pitch Flex as a cool vehicle suitable for both trendsetters and families, Pearce said.

The Flex team already had been exploring ways to hype the bold look, but Farley's guidance turned the positioning around. Ford marketers decided not to limit the Flex's potential by painting it so visibly with the family brush.

"So it's caused us to second-guess and take a second look and kind of widen it up and say, 'You know what, you don't have to have a family to love the car,' " Pearce said.

Actually, I agree with that statement. Although I have no use for 3 rows of seating, I really dig this car a lot; in the same way I did the Escalade. Come to think of it, this could be like the poor-man's economic-crisis-era Escalade. I think that's the marketing strategy Ford is pursuing with this car.

I do like the idea of a shorter 5-seater version of this, about similar in size to the Honda Element. I would take such a vehicle over the Ford Edge on space alone.

crv16

http://suvs.about.com/b/2008/06/16/2009-ford-flex-driving-impressions.htm

Quote... has Ford built the right SUV at the wrong time? Flex's only powertrain choice is a 3.5 liter V6 (262 hp/248 lb-ft of torque) hooked up to a six-speed transmission. When you factor in the 4468 lb curb weight (FWD)/4640 lb curb weight (AWD), fuel economy is 16 mpg city/22 mpg highway (AWD)/17 mpg city/24 mpg highway (FWD), according to EPA estimates. Even though Flex seats six or seven passengers, depending on configuration, those are tough numbers to sell right now.
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ifcar

Its gas mileage is as good as anything else in the class (identical to the new Pilot). I can't see the midsize car-based SUV market shrinking too dramatically.

omicron

Of course, if the Flex's interior is 'Ford's finest-ever interior, at least on this side of the Atlantic. The Flex's fit and finish, the interior detailing and the materials involved are all top shelf', then I really worry about what the other Ford models must be like.

crv16

Quote from: ifcar on June 25, 2008, 11:38:59 AM
Its gas mileage is as good as anything else in the class (identical to the new Pilot). I can't see the midsize car-based SUV market shrinking too dramatically.

I can't think of many car-based SUVs that are selling near what they used to when gas was cheaper.  GM's Lambdas are down, so are the Pilot and Highlander.  The Ford Edge seems to be doing ok though.  All of these are offered with heavy incentives too, except the 09 Pilot.
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ifcar

Down is still fairly high. The Highlander, for example, is down 12%, but they still sold 10,000 units last month. It's not as if the market for midsize crossovers is collapsing.

CJ

The Flex is NOT an SUV.  It is NOT a CUV.  IT IS A STATION WAGON.



I do quite like the Flex. 

Laconian

Quote from: CJ on June 25, 2008, 04:39:57 PM
It is NOT a CUV.  IT IS A STATION WAGON.
What's the difference?
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Tave

Quote from: CJ on June 25, 2008, 04:39:57 PM
The Flex is NOT an SUV.  It is NOT a CUV.  IT IS A STATION WAGON.



I do quite like the Flex. 

Ford calls it a Crossover on its website.
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Quote from: thecarnut on March 16, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
Depending on price, that could be a good deal.

JWC

Having driven the Flex, I found myself liking it a lot.  It is more comfortable than the Edge, larger than the Taurus X, and has a smoother ride.

It is a station wagon and many of us in the dealerships recognize it as such.  I'd guess that calling it a station wagon would threaten the appeal to younger buyers.  Cross-over is the "cool" moniker for something that ain't quite a SUV.  Calling it a station wagon would put it on a level with the Taurus wagon and that wasn't a popular choice with young families.


Soup DeVille

Quote from: JWC on July 12, 2008, 10:12:30 PM
Having driven the Flex, I found myself liking it a lot.  It is more comfortable than the Edge, larger than the Taurus X, and has a smoother ride.

It is a station wagon and many of us in the dealerships recognize it as such.  I'd guess that calling it a station wagon would threaten the appeal to younger buyers.  Cross-over is the "cool" moniker for something that ain't quite a SUV.  Calling it a station wagon would put it on a level with the Taurus wagon and that wasn't a popular choice with young families.



At some point though you have to call  a spade a spade. It's a station wagon that's too tall by half.

Besides, if you look at hotrodding- which has been embracing the station wagon for years, its clear that not everybody equates the term station wagon with the Family Truckster.

Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 12, 2008, 10:14:59 PM
At some point though you have to call  a spade a spade. It's a station wagon that's too tall by half.

Besides, if you look at hotrodding- which has been embracing the station wagon for years, its clear that not everybody equates the term station wagon with the Family Truckster.



Yeah, but if you look at the majority of people building hot rod wagons, it is a boomer reliving his childhood.

As I said, we call it a station wagon, Ford calls it a cross-over and gave it a VIN usually equated to trucks.