The other brother finally got a car!

Started by the Teuton, July 11, 2008, 06:02:47 PM

the Teuton

So we got my one brother into a 2001 Taurus, and that's exactly what he needed.  Now the other brother, with 193,000 miles on his Contour as of today, is in need of a new car.  He'll be shopping for it at the end of the summer.

Here's the criteria:

-Around 30 mpg city
-Manual
-Reliable
-Around $4,000-$5,000
-Newer than 1998
-Sporty would be a plus, but it's not necessary

He looked at a Lancer OZ Rally Edition the other day and said that the whole undercarriage was rusted out on it.  I told him that unless it's an Evo he should avoid Mitsubishis as much as he can.  He seems to be leaning towards a Civic, but he wanted all options on the table.  Suggestions?
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

The Pirate

Mazda Proteg?

City economy will be a bit less than 30 mpg, otherwise it fulfills all the criteria.

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Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
After you wake up with the sun at 6am on someone's floor, coughing up cigarette butts and tasting like warm beer, you may well change your opinion on this matter.

the Teuton

2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

Eye of the Tiger

2024 Mitsubishi Mirage ES

ifcar

He should be looking at Focuses, Escorts, Proteges, and Saturns. Used Civics are ridiculously overpriced. Also, just a preemptive warning, tell him to avoid the 00-06 Sentra, which is known for being unreliable and is mediocre anyway.

The Pirate

Quote from: the Teuton on July 11, 2008, 06:21:39 PM
Reliable and cheap to run?  Really?

Mine has 108K miles.  I drive this car very hard (redline at least a few times a day, lots of WOT, and lots of late braking and quick turns).  I've replaced an oxygen sensor and two rear brake calipers.  I also cleaned out the EGR passage, via a walkthrough on another forum.  This cured a rough idle/stumbling problem it had.  Model year 2001 had an issue with rear brake calipers, though not all cars are problematic.  Other than that, it really only has normal wear and tear fitting a 7 year old car (needs a bit of suspension work, and I'm due for brakes and tires).  The auto tranny seems to be a bit weak, but that's irrelevant for your bro's search.  Parts are very expensive from the dealer; you can do much better at NAPA.  I shy away from Autozone type places for anything more than basic stuff (air filters, wipers, spark plugs, etc.). 

It's decently torquey, has positively frigid A/C, has a shocking amount of passenger space, and is a blast to zip through traffic with.

It has an oddball tire size, and the oil filter is a bit of a PITA to get to, but that's about it.  Honestly, I'm just bored with the car, and want something different - RWD and about twice the horsepower.  But kept in second or third gear, this car is brilliant in traffic.  Point and shoot, really.
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Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
After you wake up with the sun at 6am on someone's floor, coughing up cigarette butts and tasting like warm beer, you may well change your opinion on this matter.

the Teuton

Quote from: NACar on July 11, 2008, 06:27:56 PM
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/car/717282036.html

Besides the gas mileage and the oil leak -- I'll run it by him.  I'd hit it.

But I don't think he would, to be honest.  He has a V6 car and believe it or not, it's pretty powerful and somewhat thirsty.  When we went to Kentucky, his car averaged about 27 mpg for the trip -- not bad, but gas was only $2.50 or so back then.  He's going to be graduating next year and might be as far away as Virginia for grad school.  That could eat a lot of gas to get back to Ohio.

So around 30 mpg city and around 35-45 highway are almost musts at this point.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: the Teuton on July 11, 2008, 06:38:08 PM
Besides the gas mileage and the oil leak -- I'll run it by him.  I'd hit it.

But I don't think he would, to be honest.  He has a V6 car and believe it or not, it's pretty powerful and somewhat thirsty.  When we went to Kentucky, his car averaged about 27 mpg for the trip -- not bad, but gas was only $2.50 or so back then.  He's going to be graduating next year and might be as far away as Virginia for grad school.  That could eat a lot of gas to get back to Ohio.

So around 30 mpg city and around 35-45 highway are almost musts at this point.

The Jetta doesn't even get 30mpg on the highway. That's really not that bad for a V6. Expecting 30 city and 35-45mpg highway will limit your choices a lot... Corolla, Civic, SL1, Esteem, Metro/Swift, TDI... there aren't many cars that can get that kind of mileage, and demand for those few cars is growing, so it will be harder to get a good deal on one.
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Cookie Monster

Jetta TDI if you want the kind of mileage... but diesel is really expensive.

If it doesn't need to be '98+ you can get a 5th gen Accord.
RWD > FWD
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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the Teuton

Quote from: thecarnut on July 11, 2008, 07:33:10 PM
Jetta TDI if you want the kind of mileage... but diesel is really expensive.

If it doesn't need to be '98+ you can get a 5th gen Accord.

Not a bad suggestion at all.  I wonder what kind of MPGs it gets.

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/car/751400146.html
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

280Z Turbo

Quote from: ifcar on July 11, 2008, 06:33:50 PM
He should be looking at Focuses, Escorts, Proteges, and Saturns. Used Civics are ridiculously overpriced. Also, just a preemptive warning, tell him to avoid the 00-06 Sentra, which is known for being unreliable and is mediocre anyway.

+1

When I was shopping for my car it was a matter of:

-Slightly rusted 1996 Honda Civic hatch with 140,000 miles
-2002 Ford Focus ZX3 in excellent shape with 80,000 miles

Hmmm...let me think about that one.

CALL_911

Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 11, 2008, 07:48:15 PM
+1

When I was shopping for my car it was a matter of:

-Slightly rusted 1996 Honda Civic hatch with 140,000 miles
-2002 Ford Focus ZX3 in excellent shape with 80,000 miles

Hmmm...let me think about that one.

Civic.
VTAK>>>>>>>>all.


2004 S2000
2016 340xi

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 11, 2008, 07:49:11 PM
Civic.
VTAK>>>>>>>>all.

If it was a Civic hatch, it propllt\y didnt has a VTAK
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The Pirate

Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 11, 2008, 07:48:15 PM
+1

When I was shopping for my car it was a matter of:

-Slightly rusted 1996 Honda Civic hatch with 140,000 miles
-2002 Ford Focus ZX3 in excellent shape with 80,000 miles

Hmmm...let me think about that one.


So why did you pick the Focus?




































:devil: :lol:
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Secretary of the "I Survived the Volvo S80 thread" Club

Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
After you wake up with the sun at 6am on someone's floor, coughing up cigarette butts and tasting like warm beer, you may well change your opinion on this matter.

2o6

Focus. Lancer in non-Evo is Ok, but nothing special. The 2nd Gen Neon is Ok as well. The PT is very useful (and being neon based, is rather fun to drive), but Gas milage is So-So at best. The A4 would be great from a preformance perspective, but Audi/VW is known for Electrical Gremlins. However, if you had to have one, Passat 1.8T's are usually cheaper than their Jetta, Golf and A4 counterparts. Beetles are also cheap to buy, but I don't think he'd want a Beetle.



The Pirate

1989 Audi 80 quattro, 2001 Mazda Protege ES

Secretary of the "I Survived the Volvo S80 thread" Club

Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
After you wake up with the sun at 6am on someone's floor, coughing up cigarette butts and tasting like warm beer, you may well change your opinion on this matter.

CALL_911

Quote from: NACar on July 11, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
If it was a Civic hatch, it propllt\y didnt has a VTAK

BLASPHEMY. ALL HONDAZ HAVE VTAK. WHY DO YOU THINK THE OLD 3.5RL WAS SUCH A PWN? IT HAD VTAK!!!!!!!!

VTAK FTMFW.


2004 S2000
2016 340xi

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 11, 2008, 07:53:28 PM
BLASPHEMY. ALL HONDAZ HAVE VTAK. WHY DO YOU THINK THE OLD 3.5RL WAS SUCH A PWN? IT HAD VTAK!!!!!!!!

VTAK FTMFW.

2024 Mitsubishi Mirage ES

2o6

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 11, 2008, 07:53:28 PM
BLASPHEMY. ALL HONDAZ HAVE VTAK. WHY DO YOU THINK THE OLD 3.5RL WAS SUCH A PWN? IT HAD VTAK!!!!!!!!

VTAK FTMFW.

The 3.5RL was a pwner. It Pwned itself on numerous occations.








Legend FTW.  :rockon:

Soup DeVille

Quote from: NACar on July 11, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
If it was a Civic hatch, it propllt\y didnt has a VTAK

My hatches has VTAK.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Eye of the Tiger

2024 Mitsubishi Mirage ES

Cookie Monster

Quote from: the Teuton on July 11, 2008, 07:44:26 PM
Not a bad suggestion at all.  I wonder what kind of MPGs it gets.

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/car/751400146.html
Wow, that looks like a great deal... an Accord like that would go for about $6k over here.
RWD > FWD
President of the "I survived the Volvo S80 Thread" Club
2007 Mazda MX-5 | 1999 Honda Nighthawk 750 | 1989 Volvo 240 | 1991 Toyota 4Runner | 2006 Honda CBR600F4i | 2015 Yamaha FJ-09 | 1999 Honda CBR600F4 | 2009 Yamaha WR250X | 1985 Mazda RX-7 | 2000 Yamaha YZ426F | 2006 Yamaha FZ1 | 2002 Honda CBR954RR | 1996 Subaru Outback | 2018 Subaru Crosstrek | 1986 Toyota MR2
Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

the Teuton

Quote from: thecarnut on July 11, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
Wow, that looks like a great deal... an Accord like that would go for about $6k over here.

The more I look at it, the more I think that given that I think he's going to keep his next car 'til 200k, too, probably, that's a fantastic deal.  I don't know how much he'd be willing to compromise in space, either.  That Accord might be the thing for him.

I'm sure I could find him a better deal than that, though.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

Soup DeVille

Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

1975 Honda CB750, 1986 Rebel Rascal (sailing dinghy), 2015 Mini Cooper, 2020 Winnebago 31H (E450), 2021 Toyota 4Runner, 2022 Lincoln Aviator

Eye of the Tiger

2024 Mitsubishi Mirage ES

The Pirate

I like that Accord a lot too.  I'd be tempted to buy it, actually. 
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Secretary of the "I Survived the Volvo S80 thread" Club

Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
After you wake up with the sun at 6am on someone's floor, coughing up cigarette butts and tasting like warm beer, you may well change your opinion on this matter.

The Pirate

Quote from: the Teuton on July 11, 2008, 08:15:38 PM

I'm sure I could find him a better deal than that, though.


2001 Proteg? ES
107K miles
timing belt done 25K miles ago (non interference engine)

$4750


Hehehe
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Secretary of the "I Survived the Volvo S80 thread" Club

Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
After you wake up with the sun at 6am on someone's floor, coughing up cigarette butts and tasting like warm beer, you may well change your opinion on this matter.