Mercedes E55 AMG Wagon

[BMWDave]

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[Colonel Cadillac]

What a family vehicle!

[BMWDave]

What a family vehicle!

BMW is making an M5 wagon also , although I dont know if that is coming to the US.

[JYODER240]

That may be one of the biggest sleepers of all-time.  

[Run Away]

That car can do anything.

The only thing keeping it from being perfect is that it's a wagon, not a low slung italian convertable.

[Raza]

That car can do anything.

The only thing keeping it from being perfect is that it's a wagon, not a low slung italian convertable.

 

[Fire It Up]

Thats awesome.    

[Catman]

Zero to 100 mph: 9.7 sec :o  

[Raza]

Zero to 100 mph: 9.7 sec :o

That's roughly 1.4 seconds SLOWER than my car*


*gets to 60mph

[Catman]

Zero to 100 mph: 9.7 sec :o

That's roughly 1.4 seconds SLOWER than my car*


*gets to 60mph

Sick. :o   All it needs now is some low profile LED blue lights.  

[Car Zeus]

what a family vehicle.

Wimmer is that what you are getting your future wife?

[SVT_Power]

what a family vehicle.

Wimmer is that what you are getting your future wife?

i think he'll keep it for himself

[giant_mtb]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

[BMWDave]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.  

[giant_mtb]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.

But the only sporty part about them is their grunt.  If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts.  It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...

[Raza]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.

But the only sporty part about them is their grunt.  If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts.  It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...

Please...

The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back.  They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.

[Fire It Up]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.

But the only sporty part about them is their grunt.  If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts.  It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...

Then get better tires. The skidpad measures the tires performance, not the cars overall handling.

And how come the Magnum SRT is nowhere this fast?

[giant_mtb]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.

But the only sporty part about them is their grunt.  If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts.  It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...

Please...

The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back.  They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.

So why don't they put on bigger tires?  How lazy are they?  "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"

[BMWDave]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.? Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?? Of course not...? <_<? ? (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.

But the only sporty part about them is their grunt.  If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts.  It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...

Please...

The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back.  They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.

So why don't they put on bigger tires?  How lazy are they?  "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"

Take the SL600 and Sl65.  The SL600 manages a faster 0-60 time, despite the huge hp advantage of the SL65.  This is because the tires are the same on both cars, and so the SL600 has a lot more grip suited to its power than an Sl65.

[giant_mtb]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.

But the only sporty part about them is their grunt.  If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts.  It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...

Please...

The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back.  They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.

So why don't they put on bigger tires?  How lazy are they?  "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"

Take the SL600 and Sl65.  The SL600 manages a faster 0-60 time, despite the huge hp advantage of the SL65.  This is because the tires are the same on both cars, and so the SL600 has a lot more grip suited to its power than an Sl65.

Yeah...so why don't they give their AMG cars some footpads that can actually get some grip with all that stupid power?  (by the way you lost me there)

[BMWDave]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.? Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?? Of course not...? <_<? ? (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise.  AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort.  They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.

But the only sporty part about them is their grunt.  If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts.  It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...

Please...

The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back.  They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.

So why don't they put on bigger tires?  How lazy are they?  "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"

Take the SL600 and Sl65.  The SL600 manages a faster 0-60 time, despite the huge hp advantage of the SL65.  This is because the tires are the same on both cars, and so the SL600 has a lot more grip suited to its power than an Sl65.

Yeah...so why don't they give their AMG cars some footpads that can actually get some grip with all that stupid power?  (by the way you lost me there)

Its a problem, and almost every mag has said that to fully utilize the power of an SL65, one needs to have much fatter tires.

[giant_mtb]

Yeah.  I don't like Benz.

[Raza]

Expense.  Why bother with grippier tires that cost more to fit when 99.5% of buyers won't even ever find the ESP Off button?

[giant_mtb]

Why would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use?  :angry:  

[BMWDave]

Why would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use?  :angry:

Welcome to the world of car buyers...not everyone buys what they need in a car  

[giant_mtb]

Which means Mercedes-Benz is overrated.  :angry:  

[BMWDave]

Which means Mercedes-Benz is overrated.  :angry:

Not necessarily...they have great cars, just people dont always use them to their potential  

[giant_mtb]

I still don't like them...

The styling isn't even close to exciting...the interiors are deffinitely nice, though.  And I still don't like this AMG crap.  <_<  

[TBR]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

Benz buyers have different priorities than BMW buyers, to them ride and isolation is more important than handling and driver feedback.

[giant_mtb]

A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...

How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?  I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?  In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.  Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?  Of course not...  <_<    (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)

Benz buyers have different priorities than BMW buyers, to them ride and isolation is more important than handling and driver feedback.

But there's a point when so much power with so little handling can become dangerous...