Steering Feel

[hotrodalex]

Tail happy is easier for me to drive than under steering pig.

[Cookie Monster]

Tail happy is easier for me to drive than under steering pig.

Kind of a blanket statement... I'd rather take a progressively understeering car than a snap oversteering car.

My car used to snap oversteer like crazy. I think the alignment was messed up to the point where it had toe out in the front, plus shitty tires. New suspension, new alignment and new tires helped all of that. The one time the back started sliding at Laguna Seca it was so easy to control.

[12,000 RPM]

Yeah. You can't run 3 degrees and a ton of toe in.

I'm running stock top mounts just fine. Pillow ball mounts with camber plates ride like shit for the most part. Not worth it for most daily drivers IMO.

Lol struts.

It's fun seeing all the different options for my car. If I keep it as a money pit... mite try spherical bushings Roads are glass smooth around here

[12,000 RPM]

Kind of a blanket statement... I'd rather take a progressively understeering car than a snap oversteering car.

My car used to snap oversteer like crazy. I think the alignment was messed up to the point where it had toe out in the front, plus shitty tires. New suspension, new alignment and new tires helped all of that. The one time the back started sliding at Laguna Seca it was so easy to control.

Yea understeer is good for the street. A 1 way diff is also good for the street.

[12,000 RPM]

I love the feeling of the tension in the wheel and ashphalt chewing up tires at the limits of adhesion. I don't know what you guys are talking about with this no steering feel business.

[r0tor]

I'm at 2.7 degrees in the front, 2.4 in the back. The Miata can get crazy amounts of camber. I was apparently too low when I went to get my car aligned because the guy could only get 2.7 degrees minimum in the back. I raised it a tiny bit (gotta keep it looking nice, yo) and told him to min out the camber in the back, then added a bit more in the front. I've got 0 toe all around, as well, and even on my 200 treadwear RS3's I'm not seeing any wear problems. I also asked the guy to give me max caster, and he got the caster to like 9.5 degrees in the front. I couldn't turn my wheels lock to lock because the wheels would hit the fender liners.

I think I'm at around 7.5 degrees caster.

Also, with 2.8 degrees in the front and ~2 in the back you must get crazy oversteer when pushed, unless you've got no rear bar or soft rear spring rates compared to the front (although there are probably other factors I'm not taking into account).

The RX8 and NC suspension geometry is such that it gains camber with suspension compression faster in the front then the rear and also loses toe with suspension compression.  So I have -2 deg camber in the rear, -1 deg in the front, and a smidge of toe in on both axles (pretty much the stock setup).

[Secret Chimp]

I love the feeling of the tension in the wheel and ashphalt chewing up tires at the limits of adhesion. I don't know what you guys are talking about with this no steering feel business.

They are the height of unthusiasm. It is the most direct connection you can have with the road.

[Raza]

They are the height of unthusiasm. It is the most direct connection you can have with the road.

Because steering feel cannot be quantifiably measured and compared in magazines, it doesn't matter. What can steering feel tell me that 0-60 can't? 0-100? 1/4 mile? Lateral g? 0-100km/h? HP/L? Automatic transmission shift speed? Rear leg room? Front shoulder room? Fifth passenger hip room? Number of cupholders? Whether or not I have to commit the sin of taking my key out of my pocket to start the car? Nothing.

[Rich]

Ariel Atom and Elise have steering feel, precision, and feedback owned.  Nothing else I've driven comes close.

Elise is best at everything.

Except shifting.