C&D 2012 Lightning Lap Results

[MexicoCityM3]

Just got this on the iPad. Thought I?d share and discuss.

Vette ZR1                    2:50.7
GT-R (2012)                 2:53.2
Panamera Turbo S        3:00.7
Boss 302 Laguna Seca    3:02.8       Impressive bang for the buck. Excellent.
Cayman R                    3:03.9
TT-RS                          3:04.8
MB CLS63 AMG Coupe    3:04.9       Impressive for such a huge beast.
Evora S                        3:05.3
MB C63 AMG Coupe        3:06.3      Still behind the M3.
1M                              3:06.6       About where it should fall.
Challenger SRT-8 392     3:09.4
Charger SRT-8               3:10.1
Z4 sDrive 35is               3:10.4
X5M                             3:11.1       Crazy for an SUV.
335is                           3:13.8
Golf R                           3:14.0
Jeep GC SRT8                3:17.4
MINI Cooper JCW Coupe  3:18.4
Honda Civic Si               3:24.1
Jetta GLI                       3:27.3        Disappointing.

[GoCougs]

335is is probably the most prominent under performer.

[SVT666]

The ZR1 destroyed the GT-R.  That was highly unexpected.  The Boss 302 is a monster of a car for $42,000.

[MexicoCityM3]

The ZR1 destroyed the GT-R.  That was highly unexpected.  The Boss 302 is a monster of a car for $42,000.

Didn?t the ZR1 beat the GT-R on the ring as well? Can?t remember.

Also, this is the Laguna Seca Boss, I think it has some performance upgrades over the regular Boss but not sure what exactly.

[68_427]

Well even the Z06 ran a 2:53.5.  I'd like to see a base Z06 with performance pack and sticky runner.  Could potentially beat the ZR1's time.

[SVT666]

Didn?t the ZR1 beat the GT-R on the ring as well? Can?t remember.

Also, this is the Laguna Seca Boss, I think it has some performance upgrades over the regular Boss but not sure what exactly.

Not enough to make a huge difference.  The Laguna Seca has R compound rubber, slightly different aero, no back seat, and some brake cooling ducts that the Boss 302 doesn't have.

[S204STi]

R compounds alone probably make a big difference. 

[MexicoCityM3]

Not enough to make a huge difference.  The Laguna Seca has R compound rubber, slightly different aero, no back seat, and some brake cooling ducts that the Boss 302 doesn't have.

Compound rubber as in semi slick tires? That makes a huge difference on a 3 minute lap. More than a second per minute easily.

[Cookie Monster]

Compound rubber as in semi slick tires? That makes a huge difference on a 3 minute lap. More than a second per minute easily.

+1

[SVT666]

Compound rubber as in semi slick tires? That makes a huge difference on a 3 minute lap. More than a second per minute easily.

No doubt, but it's not like 10 seconds faster.  The regular GT does it in 3:08.6 so the Boss 302 probably splits the two at 3:05 or so.

[Rich]

Thanks for posting this. Interesting stuff. Didn't think the ZR1 would be faster than the GTR. Id like to read the article and see which ones were the most fun. It'll be cool to see what a BRZ or FRS with summer rubber will do

[Raza]

Did they ever run a MkVI GTI?

[Lebowski]

Damn, ZR-1 pwns

[MexicoCityM3]

Did they ever run a MkVI GTI?

3:25.1 GTI tested on 11/06
3:21.8 R32 tested on 11/08
3:19.3 GTI tested on 2/10

I am not sure which one of those two is the MkVI.

[MexicoCityM3]

335is is probably the most prominent under performer.

I sort of agree, though an Audi S5 (V8) did a 3:14.6 and its the most direct competitor to the 335is so not that bad.

[Tave]

If I were a ZR-1 owner, and my super hi-po near-racing sports car didn't have at least a slight edge over Nissan's grand tourer that cost $20,000 to $30,000 less, I imagine I'd be disappointed. As it is the GT-R runs a fairly respectable time.

[MexicoCityM3]

As it is the GT-R runs a fairly respectable time.

Nominated for understatement of the year.

[Lebowski]

If I were a ZR-1 owner, and my super hi-po near-racing sports car didn't have at least a slight edge over Nissan's grand tourer that cost $20,000 to $30,000 less, I imagine I'd be disappointed. As it is the GT-R runs a fairly respectable time.

There are a lot of sports cars costing a lot more than $20k-$30k more than the GT-R that wouldn't have any edge over it, and I wouldnt be disappointed to own any of them.

[Tave]

There are a lot of sports cars costing a lot more than $20k-$30k more than the GT-R that wouldn't have any edge over it, and I wouldnt be disappointed to own any of them.

Be that as it may, the ZR-1 is a focused sports car meant for outright speed and not much else. It's a no-frills, take-all-comers, balls-to-the-walls thrill machine. It is ALL about speed with that car, so yes, if it gets embarrassed by the cheaper Nissan, it is a shame.

[MexicoCityM3]

Be that as it may, the ZR-1 is a focused sports car meant for outright speed and not much else. It's a no-frills, take-all-comers, balls-to-the-walls thrill machine. It is ALL about speed with that car, so yes, if it gets embarrassed by the cheaper Nissan, it is a shame.

The GT-R embarrasses many, as a matter of fact most more expensive cars. Exotic and not. The ZR-1 is a rare exception and the better for it. GT-R is also balls to the wall. The rear seats are a joke.

[r0tor]

Tt-rs and the Cayman r are way over performers for their HP/weight ratio

[SVT666]

The GT-R embarrasses many, as a matter of fact most more expensive cars. Exotic and not. The ZR-1 is a rare exception and the better for it. GT-R is also balls to the wall. The rear seats are a joke.

Agreed.  The GT-R is as focused on speed and balls to the wall as anything on the market.

[68_427]

Be that as it may, the ZR-1 is a focused sports car meant for outright speed and not much else. It's a no-frills, take-all-comers, balls-to-the-walls thrill machine. It is ALL about speed with that car, so yes, if it gets embarrassed by the cheaper Nissan, it is a shame.

The ZR1 is as comfortable and easy to live with as any Corvette.

[r0tor]

I think its pretty telling and sort of sad that about 90% of the cars tested can have their lap times predicted within a couple seconds by their HP/weight ratio... VIR is clearly a HP track first and foremost

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

The ZR1 is as comfortable and easy to live with as any Corvette.

Thats what the ZR1 owners say on the Vette forums. The majority of those guys use them as DD. They also say the ZR1 is easier to live with on a daily basis than the Z06!

[Lebowski]

Be that as it may, the ZR-1 is a focused sports car meant for outright speed and not much else. It's a no-frills, take-all-comers, balls-to-the-walls thrill machine. It is ALL about speed with that car, so yes, if it gets embarrassed by the cheaper Nissan, it is a shame.

No. There is no shame in losing to a GT-R.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Thanks for posting this. Interesting stuff. Didn't think the ZR1 would be faster than the GTR. Id like to read the article and see which ones were the most fun. It'll be cool to see what a BRZ or FRS with summer rubber will do

They seemed to really like the Boss! "The  boss 302 Laguna Seca (The raciest of factory Mustangs) Fires so many of the rite neutrons that it could be the one car we'd drive forever."

[sportyaccordy]

No Camry SE V6?

[MexicoCityM3]

No Camry SE V6?

Too fast, focused and fun for this group.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Too fast, focused and fun for this group.