The Fuel Economy/Mileage Thread

[Cookie Monster]

Linguistic Torrential Fuck Tart numbers?  That makes no sense.  What does that even mean?

long term fuel trimz

[cawimmer430]

Hit 50,000 km a few days ago (50,355 km now). Only 50,000 km more to go before Consumer Reports says my car will fall apart!  


49,999.9 km...




50,000,0 km...

[S204STi]

Linguistic Torrential Fuck Tart numbers?  That makes no sense.  What does that even mean?

Long Term Fuel Trim.  Indicates the overall pattern of correction for poor quality fuel or other issues such as a vacuum leak at the manifold (danger to teh manifoldz) by either lengthening or shortening the duration of time that each injector is opened.

Most cars can't correct far enough to get the air/fuel mix down to a safe level with E85.  I think that since my car is equipped with badass injectors (just my particular MY WRX), I can get away with running it for short periods.

[Laconian]

19mpg

[93JC]

As of my last fill-up on the 8th I have 23,753 km on the car. Lifetime average fuel economy is 9.13 L/100km, or 25.2 mpUSg, with the city/highway split about 2/3 city, 1/3 highway. The winter average dips down to over 10 L/100 km. The best tank I've ever had was shortly after I bought the car and was on a drive in the mountains, where I got 7 L/100 km (33.5 mpUSg). The worst I've ever had is 11.9 L/100 km (19.8 mpUSg); it was the dead of winter and all city driving with lots of heavy traffic.

Lifetime average is down to 9.0 L/100 km; odometer ticked over 30,200 km today. ~6,500 km in four months! By comparison I put ~6900 km on it over ALL of 2010.

[68_427]

Under 20mpg right now.


FML

[Eye of the Tiger]

Freightliner 7.23
Accent 28

fml

[cawimmer430]

Freightliner 7.23

Sweet! Just like a 1972 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Wagon! 

[2o6]

Last two tanks I have averaged 34-35MPG.



That's awesome, I tend not to baby this car, especially on the freeway.

[MrH]

Hit 50,000 km a few days ago (50,355 km now). Only 50,000 km more to go before Consumer Reports says my car will fall apart! 


49,999.9 km...




50,000,0 km...

Wow.  You guys drive so much less than we do.  I still think it's funny you Germans think 100,000 km is considered a fair amount of miles.  What year is your car, Wimmer?  I'll probably hit that in the first 2-2.5 years of owning the BRZ.

[Secret Chimp]

Dodge has been putting down 14 mpg as reliably as the sun comes up. Doesn't matter if I'm doing all freeway, all in-town trips, that's always what I come up with when I fill up. I still haven't gotten a tank with Thermofghwhagads because lately I've needed the car to work and not start barfing gas within 5 minutes of startup.

[cawimmer430]

Wow.  You guys drive so much less than we do.  I still think it's funny you Germans think 100,000 km is considered a fair amount of miles.  What year is your car, Wimmer?  I'll probably hit that in the first 2-2.5 years of owning the BRZ.

I'm a poor example to use on how much Europeans drive. First of all I don't drive my car everyday. In fact I've only recently started putting on a lot of mileage with business trips, errands and private usage. At the beginning of this year I had about 43,000 km on the odometer so from January to October I've put on 7,000 km.

Car is a 2007 model by the way.

[2o6]

I'm a poor example to use on how much Europeans drive. First of all I don't drive my car everyday. In fact I've only recently started putting on a lot of mileage with business trips, errands and private usage. At the beginning of this year I had about 43,000 km on the odometer so from January to October I've put on 7,000 km.

Car is a 2007 model by the way.

LOL.


My car is also a 2007 year car, and I have ~83,991 miles on it, equivalent of 134,205km on it, and it's still considered fairly mediocre in terms of miles. From march to now, I have put on 10K miles (16K km, over double what you have done in a shorter amount of time) on my Yaris.

Sometimes, I wonder if that's a huge reason why your perception of 'reliability' is so much different than ours; at 30K, my Toyota likely wouldn't have any problems. A BMW at 83K, who knows what might be going on.

You car only has ~30,000 miles. That's gently used

[CJ]

My mom's Accord has 108,000 km on it.  It's been a horrible car.

[Raza]

Wow.  You guys drive so much less than we do.  I still think it's funny you Germans think 100,000 km is considered a fair amount of miles.  What year is your car, Wimmer?  I'll probably hit that in the first 2-2.5 years of owning the BRZ.

I did about that in two years in the Jetta and I bought the Z4 at around that.

[850CSi]

Generally, I almost never shift over 3K in daily driving.

I almost never shift under 3500.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I almost never shift under 3500.

I shift between 1400 and 1650. Sometimes I start
in 4th gear. Revs are bad, mmmmkay.

[cawimmer430]

You car only has ~30,000 miles. That's gently used

Gently used? Most of my driving takes place in the city - stop and go traffic. The city environment is a harsh environment for any car over long periods of time. Then there's the driving on the Autobahn - I tend to speed a lot. High speeds = wear and tear and stress on the car components over time. You on the other hand are limited to what? 120 km/h speed limits on virtually arrow-straight freeways/highways. I think my car is exposed to more stress than yours.

And didn't your super reliable Toyota have a bunch of problems that you were complaining about in your Yaris thread?

Also, we keep our cars for 10 years+ and generally sell them with 200,000 km on their backs - never had any "expensive repair issues" that CR likes to claim German/European cars always get.

Lastly, I'm a member of a BMW 1-Series forum on Facebook and there's a mileage thread there and many of those guys have over 100,000 and 200,000 km (especially the diesel drivers) on their cars. I don't drive a lot on a regular basis. When and where I drive depends on where clients want me to be and private usage.

[Raza]

I almost never shift under 3500.

I almost always shift under 3500 when the engine isn't warm yet. 

[hotrodalex]

I usually shift the El Camino under 3500 because otherwise I'd be going twice the speed limit.

[Cookie Monster]

Gently used? Most of my driving takes place in the city - stop and go traffic. The city environment is a harsh environment for any car over long periods of time. Then there's the driving on the Autobahn - I tend to speed a lot. High speeds = wear and tear and stress on the car components over time. You on the other hand are limited to what? 120 km/h speed limits on virtually arrow-straight freeways/highways. I think my car is exposed to more stress than yours.

And didn't your super reliable Toyota have a bunch of problems that you were complaining about in your Yaris thread?

Also, we keep our cars for 10 years+ and generally sell them with 200,000 km on their backs - never had any "expensive repair issues" that CR likes to claim German/European cars always get.

Lastly, I'm a member of a BMW 1-Series forum on Facebook and there's a mileage thread there and many of those guys have over 100,000 and 200,000 km (especially the diesel drivers) on their cars. I don't drive a lot on a regular basis. When and where I drive depends on where clients want me to be and private usage.

Oh please, you are delusional. 2o6 was a delivery person. Don't tell me you think that your car goes through more stress than 2o6's Toyota. Plus, most (if not all) of the problems he had was due to poor fixes or stealership managers he dealt with. Your car, on the other hand, had its ignition coils fail at like 20k miles, which is hilariously terrible.

And you sell your cars with 120k miles on them? Here in the US, that's considered "breaking in" for many cars. The Acura is 10 years old and has 120k miles on it and isn't going anywhere. The Accord was sold with 180k miles and is still running around with 210k miles on it. Drivers in the US as a whole drive way more than drivers in Europe, which is why reliability is such a huge concern, and is something that you don't understand because you make so many retarded Consumer Reports jokes when it's apparent that you barely use your car and don't have a pressing need for it to be reliable, which is why you still have such a boner for European cars and make tired old jokes about others who chose to get something with a more reliable track record.

Oh and BTW, I don't even drive that much and still put on more miles than you...

[cawimmer430]

Oh please, you are delusional. 2o6 was a delivery person. Don't tell me you think that your car goes through more stress than 2o6's Toyota. Plus, most (if not all) of the problems he had was due to poor fixes or stealership managers he dealt with. Your car, on the other hand, had its ignition coils fail at like 20k miles, which is hilariously terrible.

I've had one faulty ignition coil failure which was replaced by BMW Mobile Service within hours. Since then I've had zero issues aside from the steering column replacement which was a design flaw on all E87 1ers. And this problem popped up around the same time as the ignition coil failure. Since then, zero issues.

And I treat my car right, but when I am blasting down the Autobahn at high speeds that's stress and wear and tear on the car. I'm not worried. My car was designed for that but it's still stress on certain components.

And you sell your cars with 120k miles on them? Here in the US, that's considered "breaking in" for many cars. The Acura is 10 years old and has 120k miles on it and isn't going anywhere. The Accord was sold with 180k miles and is still running around with 210k miles on it. Drivers in the US as a whole drive way more than drivers in Europe, which is why reliability is such a huge concern, and is something that you don't understand because you make so many retarded Consumer Reports jokes when it's apparent that you barely use your car and don't have a pressing need for it to be reliable, which is why you still have such a boner for European cars and make tired old jokes about others who chose to get something with a more reliable track record.

120,000 miles is a lot. It might not be a lot for your standards, but it's still a lot. Most people don't even keep their cars that long.

Oh and BTW, I don't even drive that much and still put on more miles than you...

Good for you. I'm not trying to set up a mileage record. The less distances I have to put behind me, the better. 

[Cookie Monster]

I've had one faulty ignition coil failure which was replaced by BMW Mobile Service within hours. Since then I've had zero issues aside from the steering column replacement which was a design flaw on all E87 1ers. And this problem popped up around the same time as the ignition coil failure. Since then, zero issues.

And I treat my car right, but when I am blasting down the Autobahn at high speeds that's stress and wear and tear on the car. I'm not worried. My car was designed for that but it's still stress on certain components.



120,000 miles is a lot. It might not be a lot for your standards, but it's still a lot. Most people don't even keep their cars that long.



Good for you. I'm not trying to set up a mileage record. The less distances I have to put behind me, the better. 

And you make fun of people's emphasis on reliability why?

[cawimmer430]

And you make fun of people's emphasis on reliability why?

I don't make fun of people who want a reliable car. Reliability is important, no argument from me, but all modern cars are very reliable. So when Consumer Reports goes on a hating spree because a BMW is in the shop 1.5 times a year as opposed to the super reliable Lexus (rated at 1.4), I have a problem with that. In the big picture that's nothing.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I don't make fun of people who want a reliable car. Reliability is important, no argument from me, but all modern cars are very reliable. So when Consumer Reports goes on a hating spree because a BMW is in the shop 1.5 times a year as opposed to the super reliable Lexus (rated at 1.4), I have a problem with that. In the big picture that's nothing.

Accent has been in a shop one time, to replace the sunvisor.
Oh, and one time to install new wheels and tires.
Still averages < 1 time per year. Hyundai > Lexus > BMW

[2o6]

I don't make fun of people who want a reliable car. Reliability is important, no argument from me, but all modern cars are very reliable. So when Consumer Reports goes on a hating spree because a BMW is in the shop 1.5 times a year as opposed to the super reliable Lexus (rated at 1.4), I have a problem with that. In the big picture that's nothing.

This shows that you have never actually read CR at all.

[cawimmer430]

Accent has been in a shop one time, to replace the sunvisor.
Oh, and one time to install new wheels and tires.
Still averages < 1 time per year. Hyundai > Lexus > BMW

Hyundai's are amazing. I want a Pony! 

[cawimmer430]

This shows that you have never actually read CR at all.

That's a generalization.

We don't get CR here.

[2o6]

Then quit speaking as if you know what it says.

[AutobahnSHO]

Wow.  You guys drive so much less than we do.  I still think it's funny you Germans think 100,000 km is considered a fair amount of miles.  What year is your car, Wimmer?  I'll probably hit that in the first 2-2.5 years of owning the BRZ.

In 1992 I wrecked and totalled a 1987 3series, in Germany. It had a little over 500,000 kilometers on it. (310,000 miles). The insurance company said "you'll get some extra money- that's really low miles!"

They paid $1800 to the owner (my friend)- she had bought it for $1000 and put a new rear axle in..