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Started by Klackamas, October 04, 2012, 10:41:24 AM

Klackamas

Why do I lean forward when I want my rental car (Crown Vic :cry: ) to go faster?
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Laconian

Conditioned reflex of your muscles attempting to resist G-forces when you plant the accelerator?
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cawimmer430

You're driving a rental Ford Crown Victoria!?!?  :wub:

Lucky son of a bitch!!!  :rockon:
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You are expecting too much from the low value V8.
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2o6

Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 11:48:44 AM
You are expecting too much from the low value V8.

It's modular, that means it's supposed to be good for many applications, but instead it satisfies none of them.

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: 2o6 on October 04, 2012, 11:50:24 AM
It's modular, that means it's supposed to be good for many applications, but instead it satisfies none of them.

The modular name comes from the manufacturing process.
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2o6

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 04, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
The modular name comes from the manufacturing process.


Simile still applies

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: 2o6 on October 04, 2012, 11:55:18 AM

Simile still applies

Simile is incorrect, and modularity always has its root in design and construction, with application being secondary and dependent.
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Laconian

Modular means you can do a hellatyte Mark VIII head swap and be like "InTech just kicked in, yo :zzz:"
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Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: Laconian on October 04, 2012, 12:04:21 PM
Modular means you can do a hellatyte Mark VIII head swap and be like "InTech just kicked in, yo :zzz:"

Too soon, junior. For a loaner, I was thinking of a nitrous kit. Plug and play. Might blow it up, but you won't leave much evidence behind.
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2o6

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 04, 2012, 12:02:19 PM
Simile is incorrect, and modularity always has its root in design and construction, with application being secondary and dependent.

Well, lets see you make a better pun, Militant Molly.

Laconian

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 04, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
Too soon, junior. For a loaner, I was thinking of a nitrous kit. Plug and play. Might blow it up, but you won't leave much evidence behind.
It'll blow up into Modular pieces.

Man, the Crown Vic was *such* a POS. Slow, wallowy, and thirsty. I would think that selling such garbage would be a net loss for Ford in terms of public confidence in the brand.
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cawimmer430

Quote from: Laconian on October 04, 2012, 12:19:11 PM
Man, the Crown Vic was *such* a POS. Slow, wallowy, and thirsty. I would think that selling such garbage would be a net loss for Ford in terms of public confidence in the brand.

None of that matters.

IT HAD STYLE.  :mrcool:

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SVT32V

I rather like this modular engine, all 662 horses from the DOHC 32V, all Aluminum, forged crank, rods pistons.
You know the most powerful production V8 ever produced.




Not to mention the 4.6 mod in the terminator cobras among other great mod motors.

SVT666

Quote from: 2o6 on October 04, 2012, 11:50:24 AM
It's modular, that means it's supposed to be good for many applications, but instead it satisfies none of them.
"Modular" had nothing to do with application, and all to do with design and construction.  They made 6, 8, and 10 cylinder variants from the same engine architecture.  

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MX793

Quote from: SVT666 on October 04, 2012, 03:31:38 PM
"Modular" had nothing to do with application, and all to do with design and construction.  They made 6, 8, and 10 cylinder variants from the same engine architecture. 

What V6 did they ever make based on the Modular architecture?  All of Ford's V6s since the development of the Mod motors were 60-degree Vs (the Mod motors are 90).
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SVT666

Quote from: MX793 on October 04, 2012, 03:43:51 PM
What V6 did they ever make based on the Modular architecture?  All of Ford's V6s since the development of the Mod motors were 60-degree Vs (the Mod motors are 90).
My mistake.  V8 and V10 only.  Oh and apparently we were all wrong about the name "modular".

Contrary to popular belief, the Modular engine did not get its name from its design or sharing of certain parts among the engine family. Instead, the name was derived from a manufacturing plant protocol, "Modular", where the plant and its tooling could be changed out in a matter of hours to manufacture different versions of the engine family.

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: SVT666 on October 04, 2012, 09:22:53 PM
My mistake.  V8 and V10 only.  Oh and apparently we were all wrong about the name "modular".

Contrary to popular belief, the Modular engine did not get its name from its design or sharing of certain parts among the engine family. Instead, the name was derived from a manufacturing plant protocol, "Modular", where the plant and its tooling could be changed out in a matter of hours to manufacture different versions of the engine family.

Speak for yourself, Negative Nancy.
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Raza

Quote from: SVT666 on October 04, 2012, 09:22:53 PM
My mistake.  V8 and V10 only.  Oh and apparently we were all wrong about the name "modular".

Contrary to popular belief, the Modular engine did not get its name from its design or sharing of certain parts among the engine family. Instead, the name was derived from a manufacturing plant protocol, "Modular", where the plant and its tooling could be changed out in a matter of hours to manufacture different versions of the engine family.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 04, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
The modular name comes from the manufacturing process.

Look at that.  Nick was right. 
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The modulars are lousy motors, even when brand new.

SVT666

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2012, 12:45:09 AM
Speak for yourself, Negative Nancy.
HA!  I didn't see your answer.

SVT666

Quote from: GoCougs on October 05, 2012, 08:19:32 AM
The modulars are lousy motors, even when brand new.
The modulars were only good with forced induction.  They're great motors when strapped witha  supercharger.  Otherwise, you're right.

MX793

Quote from: GoCougs on October 05, 2012, 08:19:32 AM
The modulars are lousy motors, even when brand new.

It was no worse than it's chief domestic rival: the Northstar.
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SVT666

Quote from: MX793 on October 05, 2012, 09:44:02 AM
It was no worse than it's chief domestic rival: the Northstar.
The Northstar wasn't it's chief rival.  The Chevy small block was it's chief rival, and the Chevy was a much better motor.

SVT32V

Well Northstar was its competition based on being modern v8s.

I disagree with the LSx being a better motor than 4V modulars (2V sucked) as can be shown comparing the 5.8SC versus ZL-1 and CTS-V engines.

Currently however, the coyote (loosely based on the mod) is a much better engine than the LSx or hemi engines.


SVT666

Quote from: SVT32V on October 05, 2012, 11:31:28 AM
Well Northstar was its competition based on being modern v8s.

I disagree with the LSx being a better motor than 4V modulars (2V sucked) as can be shown comparing the 5.8SC versus ZL-1 and CTS-V engines.

Currently however, the coyote (loosely based on the mod) is a much better engine than the LSx or hemi engines.


I was speaking about the 2V and 3V 4.6L.  I should have been more clear.  The Coyote is so heavily revised that it could be considered an all-new engine despite being based on the modular.  The 4V 4.6L was a good engine, but it wasn't LS good.  The supercharged modulars, like I stated in my previous post, are awesome though.  Really awesome.

SVT32V

Problem always was that you can't make good use of OHCs and more valve area unless you go to higher rpm, use forced induction, or VV on the exhaust and intake (separately) or all of the above.
The mod motors were not developed much once released, until at least the mach1/03-04 terminator, it was a shame. At least they did the coyote right, even that should have been DI.

SVT666

Quote from: SVT32V on October 05, 2012, 11:53:35 AM
Problem always was that you can't make good use of OHCs and more valve area unless you go to higher rpm, use forced induction, or VV on the exhaust and intake (separately) or all of the above.
The mod motors were not developed much once released, until at least the mach1/03-04 terminator, it was a shame. At least they did the coyote right, even that should have been DI.
It was designed so that DI could be added, and it will be.

SVT32V

I know, no doubt it will need it in the future or in FI apps.