Go fast or Feel fast - Which one do you REALLY want?

[GoCougs]

I'm not sure how that is relevant - econo car with too much motor vs. dedicated sports(ish) car.

[Raza]

Ha, ha! You strap yourself into a vintage 911 or Countach or 308 or F40 or w/e without TC, SC and ABS and let's see how long it takes you to pile it into a wall trying to drive it at more than about 5/10 ths .

I've driven a vintage 911.  Hard.  Sideways, even.  I'm still here. 

[Raza]

I'm not sure how that is relevant - econo car with too much motor vs. dedicated sports(ish) car.

GT.

[12,000 RPM]

I'm not sure how that is relevant - econo car with too much motor vs. dedicated sports(ish) car.

These cars are way more relevant to Joe Sixpack + public roads than a million dollar 1000HP Ferrari

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Exterior design, craftsmanship and practicality.

Ha, ha! You strap yourself into a vintage 911 or Countach or 308 or F40 or w/e without TC, SC and ABS and let's see how long it takes you to pile it into a wall trying to drive it at more than about 5/10 ths .

A lot of cars that are newer still don't have all those drivers aids.

My Miata, Evo and Z have no traction control/stability control or any other drivers aids other than ABS.

[Cookie Monster]

A lot of cars that are newer still don't have all those drivers aids.

My Miata, Evo and Z have no traction control/stability control or any other drivers aids other than ABS.

I think all new cars nowadays have to have traction and stability control, right? Looks like I'll never buy a newer car ever.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I think all new cars nowadays have to have traction and stability control, right? Looks like I'll never buy a newer car ever.

I was just pointing out that one doesn't have to go 30 years back to find a performance car that left the driver up to his own devices.

[Cookie Monster]

I was just pointing out that one doesn't have to go 30 years back to find a performance car that left the driver up to his own devices.

Yeah, even my '07 doesn't have anything but ABS. I think it's 2010 or 2011 cars and newer that have to have all that stuff.

[dazzleman]

Sorry to see this fight died out....

[MX793]

Yeah, even my '07 doesn't have anything but ABS. I think it's 2010 or 2011 cars and newer that have to have all that stuff.

A lot of them have Off buttons.

[Soup DeVille]

A lot of cars that are newer still don't have all those drivers aids.

My Miata, Evo and Z have no traction control/stability control or any other drivers aids other than ABS.

I thought all Evos had a multi-mode traction control system, no?

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I thought all Evos had a multi-mode traction control system, no?

It has an active diff with a few different modes. This just controls the center diff. There is no traction or stability control.

[veeman]

GT.

BMW has destroyed whatever good feelings I had for the word GT

[Soup DeVille]

BMW has destroyed whatever good feelings I had for the word GT

Hmmm, I figured Hyundai.

[Raza]

BMW has destroyed whatever good feelings I had for the word GT

Calling them GT doesn't make them GTs any more than it makes the Elantra GT one.

[12,000 RPM]

Calling them GT doesn't make them GTs any more than it makes the Elantra GT one.

Im pretty sure the Elantra GT is a bonafide luxury high speed cruiser.

[Raza]

Im pretty sure the Elantra GT is a bonafide luxury high speed cruiser.

Hyundai's answer to the CL65 AMG, no doubt.