evo Analogue Supercar test- F1, F40, F50, Noble, Carrera GT, Murci, Zonda...

[SVT666]

I was just fucking around. Seriously though, GT seems a bit outclassed.

Hardly.  It was faster than the Carrera GT.

[12,000 RPM]

Hardly.  It was faster than the Carrera GT.

A GT-R is quicker than an F40. A Camry V6 is quicker than a Miata. There's more to cars being comparable than specs

[565]

The Ford GT was not included because it's already been forgotten by everyone except for Ford fan boys.  Like I said before, it's an automotive footnote. 

[SVT666]

A GT-R is quicker than an F40. A Camry V6 is quicker than a Miata. There's more to cars being comparable than specs

Analogy FAIL.

[SVT666]

The Ford GT was not included because it's already been forgotten by everyone except for Ford fan boys.  Like I said before, it's an automotive footnote.

It's one of the very few cars made in recent years that is appreciating in value.

[GoCougs]

The GT engine only shared bore and stroke with other 5.4. The block was aluminum and a new design, as were the 4V heads, crank etc.

No pickup ever had this Al block, 4V heads etc.

The VQ in your cars is far more closely related to the truck engine found in the frontier/pathfinder/Xterra/.

Actually, the VQ in Nissan trucks is as divorced as more so from the VQ in cars - it doesn't even share bore and stroke (4.0L vs. 3.5/3.7L) .

[GoCougs]

I was just fucking around. Seriously though, GT seems a bit outclassed. Though I guess if the Noble is there it should be there too.

Not sure I'd call it outclassed but the Ford GT, in terms of raw performance specs, would battle with the F40 for last in this group.

[12,000 RPM]

Actually, the VQ in Nissan trucks is as divorced as more so from the VQ in cars - it doesn't even share bore and stroke (4.0L vs. 3.5/3.7L) .

This is like saying the VQ35DE is divorced from the VQ30DE. Aside from deck height, bore and stroke, it's all the same shit.

[GoCougs]

Hardly.  It was faster than the Carrera GT.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not a chance. The Carerra GT was WAY faster:

Ford GT:
550 hp
3350 lbs
0-60: 3.6
0-100: 8.4
1/4 mile: 12.0 @ 123


Carerra GT:
605 hp
3146 lbs
0-60: 3.5
0-100: 6.8
1/4 mile: 11.2 @ 132

[SVT32V]

Actually, the VQ in Nissan trucks is as divorced as more so from the VQ in cars - it doesn't even share bore and stroke (4.0L vs. 3.5/3.7L) .

Right, bore and stroke are different, but the aluminum block and 4v heads of the VQ are far more derivative.

No f-150 or other truck has used this AL block or 4V heads.

In fact no other ford vehicle has used the block of the GT with the exception of the 2011-2012 GT500.

[GoCougs]

It's one of the very few cars made in recent years that is appreciating in value.

Doesn't mean a whole lot on how well the car performs. When the Ford GT was in its production run the C6 Z06 was just as fast and the faster track car for ~$100,000 less. Sure, the Ford GT had the styling, panache, history, etc., but it wasn't a performance standout like the other cars in this test. Even today, the C7 Z51 would almost be its equal in performance.

[Galaxy]

"The Enzo's V12 engine is the first of a new generation for Ferrari. It is based on the architecture of the V8 found in sister-company Maserati's Quattroporte, using the same basic architecture and 104 mm (4.1 in) bore spacing. This design will replace the former architectures seen in V12 and V8 engines used in most other contemporary Ferraris."

Well that is kind of the same discussion that others just had about the GT, and the pickup truck engine. Personally I would argue that it has no real resemblance. It is not like they simply added, or chopped off cylinders, like some companies do. 

[SVT666]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not a chance. The Carerra GT was WAY faster:

Ford GT:
550 hp
3350 lbs
0-60: 3.6
0-100: 8.4
1/4 mile: 12.0 @ 123


Carerra GT:
605 hp
3146 lbs
0-60: 3.5
0-100: 6.8
1/4 mile: 11.2 @ 132

I should have been more clear.  I was referring to top speed...you know...faster, not quicker.

[SVT666]

But let's be honest here.  The Carrera GT and the Murcielago are not Analogue Supercars.

[12,000 RPM]

But let's be honest here.  The Carrera GT and the Murcielago are not Analogue Supercars.

Murcielago, sure. Carrera GT? Why not? If the Noble, which I think is newer, is, the Carrera GT should be too.

[GoCougs]

I should have been more clear.  I was referring to top speed...you know...faster, not quicker.

Both are listed with a top speed of 205 mph...

[GoCougs]

But let's be honest here.  The Carrera GT and the Murcielago are not Analogue Supercars.

The Carrera GT, with its 6M/T, is most definitely "analogue" (a bit of a stupid term IMO).

[SVT666]

Both are listed with a top speed of 205 mph...

Ford GT's is electronically limited and when the limiter is lifted, it's good to 217 mph.

[SVT666]

The Carrera GT, with its 6M/T, is most definitely "analogue" (a bit of a stupid term IMO).

I thought the Carrera GT had some kind of computer aided clutch engagement, but I guess I was wrong.  The Murcielago is certainly not an Analogue Supercar though.

[SVT666]

Doesn't mean a whole lot on how well the car performs. When the Ford GT was in its production run the C6 Z06 was just as fast and the faster track car for ~$100,000 less. Sure, the Ford GT had the styling, panache, history, etc., but it wasn't a performance standout like the other cars in this test. Even today, the C7 Z51 would almost be its equal in performance.

And at the time it was produced, the Ford GT was right up there performance wise with other supercars of the day.  The Z06 just happened to be right up there too.

[Galaxy]

Imo, the Jaguar XJ220, and the Porsche 959 should have been in there, and not the Murcielago, Carrera GT, or Ford GT.

[12,000 RPM]

I thought the Carrera GT had some kind of computer aided clutch engagement, but I guess I was wrong.  The Murcielago is certainly not an Analogue Supercar though.

It does, but only for pulling off. After that, you're on your own

Imo, the Jaguar XJ220, and the Porsche 959 should have been in there, and not the Murcielago, Carrera GT, or Ford GT.

I think the point was to compare the old with the new

I hope they can do something like this when the LaFerrari/P1 become available

[GoCougs]

Ford GT's is electronically limited and when the limiter is lifted, it's good to 217 mph.

Don't think so; the power just isn't there. 217 mph is Enzo (650 hp) and F12 (730 hp) territory.

The Ford GT was $150k and the Carerra GT $450k, so don't spend too much time feeling bad .

[SVT666]

Don't think so; the power just isn't there. 217 mph is Enzo (650 hp) and F12 (730 hp) territory.

The Ford GT was $150k and the Carerra GT $450k, so don't spend too much time feeling bad .

I don't feel bad at all since the Ford GT ran with the big dogs of the day for hundreds of thousands of dollars less and looked 10 times better doing it, and it is fact that the Ford GT's 205 mph top speed is electronically limited.

[r0tor]

But let's be honest here.  The Carrera GT and the Murcielago are not Analogue Supercars.

I fail to see your point abouy the Carrera GT.  Honestly, I would take that before any of the other cars in the test.

[12,000 RPM]

I don't feel bad at all since the Ford GT ran with the big dogs of the day for hundreds of thousands of dollars less and looked 10 times better doing it, and it is fact that the Ford GT's 205 mph top speed is electronically limited.

Its still like the Corvette of supercars. And I'm not talkin C7. Great as it is no way I'm putting it in the category of an F40. It's in that second or even third supercar tier.

[Raza]

According to Jeremy Clarkson in Top Gear series 7, episode 3, the Ford GT has a top speed of 212mph. 

[GoCougs]

Its still like the Corvette of supercars. And I'm not talkin C7. Great as it is no way I'm putting it in the category of an F40. It's in that second or even third supercar tier.

IMO the Ford GT doesn't qualify as a super car at all.

[SVT666]

IMO the Ford GT doesn't qualify as a super car at all.

You don't know what a supercar is do you?

[GoCougs]

You don't know what a supercar is do you?

Well, it's not a Ford GT. Cost too little and its tech was too ordinary.