Total US market up 5% YTD... ATS sales down 21%...

[12,000 RPM]

Were in competitively,  is what I meant.

While those may have been good cars, none of them had any influence or large presence on the full size luxury market.

Its a real dead market now.... everyone but Mercedes, even with legit strongholds, has seen big declines over the last decade. Its become a self fulfilling prophecy, because the less something like an LS sells, the less Lexus puts into it, and the more the S Class pulls away.

Mercedes is low key on fire right now with their sedans. Once they bring the E up to snuff it will be kind of game over.

[2o6]

I like the 5GT a hell of a lot more than the 7series.