Autonomous Cars

[AutobahnSHO]

yeah but that junk is all over the wet roads, so the salt just gets re-sprayed onto a clean car. maybe not as much with freshly snowy/salty roads but...

[giant_mtb]

Its more about getting the salt off than staying clean.

Right, and the most spray happens when the roads are a mess.  Might as well wait 'til it cools off and dries up. 

Overall, though, a wash or at least a rinse once a week regardless of weather is good practice in the winter.

[CaminoRacer]

I desperately need to spray the Mazda off. It's disgusting and I don't like touching the door handle.

[Morris Minor]

The CR-V's wipers use the camera up by the rearview mirror for rain sensing duties. But AFAIK it does not promote a wash/wipe if the thing gets dirtied up.

[Soup DeVille]

Right, and the most spray happens when the roads are a mess.  Might as well wait 'til it cools off and dries up. 

Overall, though, a wash or at least a rinse once a week regardless of weather is good practice in the winter.

The reaction that causes rust takes time. Even removing old salt just so new salt  can be there tomorrow interupts that reaction.

[AutobahnSHO]

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/uk-kicks-off-driverless-car-110816370.html

UK will conduct law review regarding autonomous cars

[93JC]

Self-driving cars are here. But shouting Californians are attacking them, DMV says

It's a good thing self-driving cars haven't been programmed for road rage.

If they had, the Californians who have taken to the streets this year to attack the vehicles — one man "with his entire body" — might have been in trouble.

So far in 2018, there have been only six reported traffic incidents involving self-driving vehicles in California, according to the state's Department of Motor Vehicles. But of those six incidents, two involved angry, violent Californians going up to the futuristic cars on San Francisco streets and attacking.

The first incident started on Jan. 2 around 9:30 p.m., when a pedestrian saw a self-driving Chevrolet Bolt at 16th and Valencia Streets in the city's Mission District. The vehicle was stopped at a green light as it waited for other pedestrians to cross the street.

But then the onlooker "ran across Valencia Street, against the 'do not walk' symbol, shouting, and struck the left side of the ... rear bumper and hatch with his entire body," according to a California DMV incident report.

The vehicle was slightly damaged, but no one was injured, according to the incident report. Police weren't called. The vehicle was being operated by GMC Cruise, the self-driving vehicle arm of the giant automaker.

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RAGE AGAINST THE (SELF-DRIVING) MACHINE! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ

[Laconian]

Mission District? The attackers were high on something.

[AutobahnSHO]

Funny enough, the rage was predicted by Isaac Asimov 50+ years ago. Even if they were high, there is some underlying animosity.

[Morris Minor]

Setting aside the high level of insanity that, unique to San Francisco, is the norm: people fear what is not transparent.

If I get my fender stoved in by some guy in an Impala who wasn't paying attention, there's a clear line of ownership of the error. He's a guy like me, sitting at the wheel, driving the car and responsible for it. I can relate to him. It could have been me. So there's a reassurance to that. A man actually driving a car may no longer be the most efficient way to get it around, computers do it better, but we'll take the reassurance of the suboptimal. We prefer it over the unsettling opaqueness of no-humans-required lumps of metal moving around our spaces.

[12,000 RPM]

Autonomous cars = accidents are much less likely to happen

I have trouble finding people on the road who AREN'T on their phones. Give me a computer over that any day

[AutobahnSHO]

Autonomous cars = accidents are much less likely to happen

I have trouble finding people on the road who AREN'T on their phones. Give me a computer over that any day

+1

But people fear the lack of control.

[Onslaught]

Autonomous cars = accidents are much less likely to happen

I have trouble finding people on the road who AREN'T on their phones. Give me a computer over that any day

I need cars to wreck so I can work and get organ donors.

[Morris Minor]

Autonomous cars = accidents are much less likely to happen

I have trouble finding people on the road who AREN'T on their phones. Give me a computer over that any day

That goes for me too, and I think that goes for the few in this forum, who take an unusual level of interest in these things.
But we are not typical of the wider population.

[shp4man]

Self-driving cars are here. But shouting Californians are attacking them, DMV says

RAGE AGAINST THE (SELF-DRIVING) MACHINE! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ

Soon Kalifornia will be second only to Florida as the loony toony capital of the country. 

[Soup DeVille]

Soon Kalifornia will be second only to Florida as the loony toony capital of the country. 

Why would they drop a notch?

[AutobahnSHO]

Why would they drop a notch?

Commiefornia has had the #1 spot for years!

[giant_mtb]

Soon Kalifornia will be second only to Florida as the loony toony capital of the country. 

[Laconian]

Commiefornia has had the #1 spot for years!

Florida's chief export is Florida Man bath salt stories.

[Laconian]

Lyft/Uber/any 1099 income will have worse net pay for a given gross amount. Employers pay a lot of taxes behind the scenes that individual contractors are liable for otherwise.

[veeman]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/woman-dies-in-arizona-after-being-hit-by-uber-self-driving-car/ar-BBKqSzV?li=BBnb7Kz

Autonomous cars are a long way away. 

[Laconian]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/woman-dies-in-arizona-after-being-hit-by-uber-self-driving-car/ar-BBKqSzV?li=BBnb7Kz

Autonomous cars are a long way away. 

Not all implementations are the same. It's no surprise that this happened in Arizona, which is essentially unregulated WRT autonomous car reporting regulations.

[AutobahnSHO]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/woman-dies-in-arizona-after-being-hit-by-uber-self-driving-car/ar-BBKqSzV?li=BBnb7Kz

Autonomous cars are a long way away. 

Nah, they really need to record the video in them and show that it's not the self-driving cars which are the problem. I'm surprised they aren't already.

[Laconian]

Nah, they really need to record the video in them and show that it's not the self-driving cars which are the problem. I'm surprised they aren't already.

They are in other states, but not in Arizona, since self-regulation blahblahbla

[AutobahnSHO]

This article is a little older but highlights the struggle:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/14/uber-self-driving-cars-run-red-lights-san-francisco


"she wasn't sure if the "secondary driver" or the company would be held accountable."
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"Talkoff further noted that there aren't state or federal laws governing self-driving cars.

"First comes technology, then comes policy. It's going to be a matter of setting some precedents," she said, adding, "The companies that are putting these vehicles on the road should have their vehicles operate with due regard to the rules of the road.""

[12,000 RPM]

If tech companies are going to be held liable, we will have to go with God. No way is the Goog/Uber/whoever paying out on a wrongful death suit; lawyering victims' families to death is much cheaper and better for PR.

[shp4man]

It may be that the car couldn't stop in time. The woman was jaywalking, so...

[AutobahnSHO]

If tech companies are going to be held liable, we will have to go with God. No way is the Goog/Uber/whoever paying out on a wrongful death suit; lawyering victims' families to death is much cheaper and better for PR.

people will learn quick not to run into the street without looking. (they shouldn't be already)

[12,000 RPM]

people will learn quick not to run into the street without looking. (they shouldn't be already)

Don't make assumptions, we have no idea what happened here.

[veeman]

There is something inherently scarier about a robot running you over than a human (I'm not talking about from the point of view of the person being run over, for which it doesn't matter).