Mustangs selling like hot cakes worldwide

[Galaxy]

In Germany, Mustang was the best-selling sports coupe in March, according to data published by German Federal Motor Transport Authority, KBA. Despite relatively high gas prices, the 5.0-liter V8 is the No. 1 engine choice in Germany. The country also has the highest international take-rate for the convertible model, with one in three sales.

Does not surprise me considering that Ford looked away when German Ford dealerships were selling grey import Mustangs in the past.

[12,000 RPM]

I wonder if

- BMW is regretting tossing the V8 from the M3
- GM is regretting putting the vacuum cleaner V6TT in the ATS-V

I'm also surprised the Camaro isn't seeing similar success. Well, maybe not so much with the visibility/livability issues.

[MrH]

Drove with a new Camaro most of the way up to Columbus last weekend.  It was a blue V6 model.  Hot damn, it looks sooooo much better than the last one. 

[SJ_GTI]

I wonder if

- BMW is regretting tossing the V8 from the M3
- GM is regretting putting the vacuum cleaner V6TT in the ATS-V

I'm also surprised the Camaro isn't seeing similar success. Well, maybe not so much with the visibility/livability issues.

Its so hard to figure out why they did that. They have such a great engine in the LT1 (pooprods4life). They should be putting that engine in every car possible IMHO. I can't imagine building the LT1 with its economies of scale is more expensive than the one-off engine they built for the ATS-V.

[MX793]

The TTV6 is found in a couple of models (CTS and XTS) and will likely appear in more in the future.  The ATS-V version has had a few tweaks for more power versus other applications, but isn't really bespoke.

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All the models the V6TT is in are selling well below expectations and declining

Meanwhile the LT1 is ubiquitous

If someone wants a BMW they will buy a BMW.  Its no coincidence that Cadillac's flagship has a hairy chested V8 in it.

[MX793]

All the models the V6TT is in are selling well below expectations and declining

Meanwhile the LT1 is ubiquitous

If someone wants a BMW they will buy a BMW.  Its no coincidence that Cadillac's flagship has a hairy chested V8 in it.

The LT1 is only used in the Corvette and Camaro, the latter not exactly setting the world on fire.  Everything else is using some lesser variant of the GenV small block.

I've always thought it would be interesting to see GM use the 5.3 in a performance application.  Like as the middle engine option in the Camaro instead of the V6.

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All the Gen Vs have LT-1 tech. The L86 is just tuned for trucks. They can spread it around. There is no point in having the V6TT, they can refine the LT-1 for Alpha duty.

[GoCougs]

The GM TTV6 is found in the ATS-V, XTS VSport (a car I secretly love), CTS VSport, and new CT6, so they're getting good mileage out of it.

The LT1 is used in the Corvette and Camaro, a slightly tweaked version is used in full-size trucks and SUVs, and it serves as the building block for the supercharged LT4, so they're getting a lot of mileage out of this too.

The thing is, though the LT1 has better performance, economy and driving experience, it is not as inherently refined as a TT DOHC V6, and GM is probably anticipating Euroist-style displacement/cylinder # tax coming down the pike.

I still would have liked to see the LT1 in the ATS-V. As it is there's no real reason to buy one (save that you're a Caddy fanboy, if such a thing exists), unlike the CTS-V.

[12,000 RPM]

GM thinking they will ever make endroads with Cadillac in Europe is Sergio grade hubris. If they made any decisions based on that the leadership is worse than I thought. That decision is particularly hilarious in the context of the Mustang's European success. Pile em high, give em brum, sell em cheap- this has been the American modus operandi since Detroit's hey days.

[MX793]

Getting back to the spirit of this thread, despite their strong sales numbers, I'm only now just starting to see S550s on the streets locally with any sort of frequency.  Last year, I don't think I had even ten S550 spottings locally (and a couple I'm pretty sure were the same car that I crossed paths with more than once through the course of the summer).  The dealer I bought mine from still has a leftover 2015 that has been on their lot since October of 2014.  Gen5 Camaros are a dime a dozen, and Challengers are pretty plentiful as well.  Guess this just isn't Mustang country.  There used to be GM and Chrysler plants in the area, so that may play into it.

[Soup DeVille]

GM thinking they will ever make endroads with Cadillac in Europe is Sergio grade hubris. If they made any decisions based on that the leadership is worse than I thought. That decision is particularly hilarious in the context of the Mustang's European success. Pile em high, give em brum, sell em cheap- this has been the American modus operandi since Detroit's hey days.

Caddy would do OK in Europe if they were unapologetically, almost embarassingly American. I'm talking about making longhorn steer horn hood ornaments a dealer installed option, and having a shifter shaped like the grip of a Colt Peacemaker.

We're not going to out Euro the Euros. Let's out 'Murrican them.

[CaminoRacer]

Getting back to the spirit of this thread, despite their strong sales numbers, I'm only now just starting to see S550s on the streets locally with any sort of frequency.  Last year, I don't think I had even ten S550 spottings locally (and a couple I'm pretty sure were the same car that I crossed paths with more than once through the course of the summer).  The dealer I bought mine from still has a leftover 2015 that has been on their lot since October of 2014.  Gen5 Camaros are a dime a dozen, and Challengers are pretty plentiful as well.  Guess this just isn't Mustang country.  There used to be GM and Chrysler plants in the area, so that may play into it.

You know, I haven't seen many on the street either. My neighbor's got one but otherwise I've just seen rental cars.

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I have been seeing a few out here. I think there is a guy who has a yellow convertible that lives in my neighborhood and works close to or at my job. It is def top down weather here. Actually yesterday I passed a GT on a 2 lane road.... on the bike. Some old man.

[ifcar]

GM thinking they will ever make endroads with Cadillac in Europe is Sergio grade hubris. If they made any decisions based on that the leadership is worse than I thought. That decision is particularly hilarious in the context of the Mustang's European success. Pile em high, give em brum, sell em cheap- this has been the American modus operandi since Detroit's hey days.

That's still only good for niche success, though, and reinforcing stereotypes makes it that much harder to expand from that niche.

[GoCougs]

Word - the new Camaro is far more "European" than the Mustang - smaller, lighter, better engine and performance package choices but the Mustang sells well in Europe for the same reason Buick sells well in China and Wrangler sells well in the USA (I should say I don't even think/know if GM is targeting the Camaro for Europe).

[280Z Turbo]

Shame about the Camaro being ugly

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Shame about the Camaro being ugly

And a submarine

"Man up and learn to drive a car with no windows"

Europe says, thanks but no thanks

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Getting back to the spirit of this thread, despite their strong sales numbers, I'm only now just starting to see S550s on the streets locally with any sort of frequency.  Last year, I don't think I had even ten S550 spottings locally (and a couple I'm pretty sure were the same car that I crossed paths with more than once through the course of the summer).  The dealer I bought mine from still has a leftover 2015 that has been on their lot since October of 2014.  Gen5 Camaros are a dime a dozen, and Challengers are pretty plentiful as well.  Guess this just isn't Mustang country.  There used to be GM and Chrysler plants in the area, so that may play into it.

Same here! I'm lucky if I see one or two New Stangs a week!

Shame about the Camaro being ugly

To each his own! The Camro looks 10x better than the Stang to me! And that's not Fanboi talk!

And a submarine

"Man up and learn to drive a car with no windows"

Europe says, thanks but no thanks

And I thought the C6 "bad seats" shit got old fast..........

[Byteme]

I have been seeing a few out here. I think there is a guy who has a yellow convertible that lives in my neighborhood and works close to or at my job. It is def top down weather here. Actually yesterday I passed a GT on a 2 lane road.... on the bike. Some old man.

Our local dealer has a few on the lot.  Cars are tucked away in the rear, the prime display space is taken up by trucks and SUVs, the cash cows.  I've seen several in town. 

[SJ_GTI]

To each his own! The Camro looks 10x better than the Stang to me! And that's not Fanboi talk!

I don't really have a dog in the fight (I cannot see myself ever buying a Camaro or Mustang), but IMHO the Camaro is a much nicer looking car (on the outside at least).

[Raza]

I don't really have a dog in the fight (I cannot see myself ever buying a Camaro or Mustang), but IMHO the Camaro is a much nicer looking car (on the outside at least).

It's taking me a while to warm to this Mustang compared to the last. 



It is undoubtedly sleeker than the old model, but it just doesn't look quite like a Mustang to me. 



Still, it's a much more delicate and svelte looking car than the new Camaro.  The high beltline and lack of glass make the car look very visually heavy, which is a detriment.

[ifcar]

The new Camaro looks smaller than the new Mustang in person, for what it's worth. Though neither is really going for delicate or svelte.

[SJ_GTI]

Different strokes for different folks. I see that same comparison you posted and it reinforces my opinion that the Camaro is much nicer looking. 

[MrH]

The new mustang schnozz is rough.  Look at how much bigger the front overhang is compared to the Camaro.  Everything looks tighter and more buttoned up on the Camaro IMO.

[12,000 RPM]

Good point on the overhang.

[Rich]

I would really like the Camaro to look more like this... hardly noticeable but important to me if I'm looking at the car a lot.

and I'd throw on 18's instead of 20's with a proportionate reduction in overall tire diameter.

[CALL_911]

I'd take the new Camaro in a second. I would love a new SS

[Raza]

The new mustang schnozz is rough.  Look at how much bigger the front overhang is compared to the Camaro.  Everything looks tighter and more buttoned up on the Camaro IMO.

I'll give you that; the nose on the Mustang is probably the most troubling part of that design, which is probably why I haven't warmed to it so much. 

[CaminoRacer]

I haven't noticed the Mustang overhang before. It's like a double/triple chin in that photo.