2017 Panamera... wowie zowie!

[12,000 RPM]

Looks like they fixed that bubble bubble butt bonanza





Old one for comparison



Question now is what happens for rear seat occupants.... side view of the old one clearly demonstrates a headroom hump

Supposedly a new 4.0L V8TT as well.

[RomanChariot]

From that picture it looks like they took the arc on the roofline higher rather than flattening the roof like on the current model. That may well have kept the passenger headroom while giving a more pleasing shape as the roof line carries down the back of the car. It makes it look more like a 911.

[Cookie Monster]

How can you tell they fixed the butt with a picture of the front?

[Raza]

How can you tell they fixed the butt with a picture of the front?

Yeah, what he said.

[FoMoJo]

Flattering angle.

[CaminoRacer]

How can you tell they fixed the butt with a picture of the front?

You haven't installed the x-ray vision Chrome extension?

[68_427]

Honda owners always half-assing everything

[cawimmer430]

Still hideously ugly.

[68_427]

Still hideously ugly.

[68_427]

Also I don't think the rear has been slimmed down so much as the entire roofline has been rounded to give the illusion that it has.

[cawimmer430]

I never liked the Panamera. Still don't.

It's a hideous design, IMO. The Aston Martin Rapide, while no beauty, flows better from a design POV. The Rapide actually looks sleek and sporty. The Panamera looks like an overweight pig.

[Raza]

I liked the last one, but this looks awesome. 

[Raza]

I never liked the Panamera. Still don't.

It's a hideous design, IMO. The Aston Martin Rapide, while no beauty, flows better from a design POV. The Rapide actually looks sleek and sporty. The Panamera looks like an overweight pig.

The Rapide had no flow!  It had such terrible proportions.  It looked like someone bolted doors to a DB9. 

[MrH]

!!!

[CaminoRacer]

I just can't see the appeal. If I'm buying a Porsche, I want a 911. And if I already have a 911, I don't want a sedan that looks exactly like my sports car just with more doors tacked on. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

[12,000 RPM]

I would rather a Macan than a Panamera... but if people are still buying AMG S-Classes then there is a place for them. 2+ ton "performance vehicles" don't make much sense to me, but I don't question the market.

[MrH]

I would rather a Macan than a Panamera... but if people are still buying AMG S-Classes then there is a place for them. 2+ ton "performance vehicles" don't make much sense to me, but I don't question the market.

I like the Macan too, but why would you take one over a Panamera?

Panamera will destroy it in performance, much more room, and now it looks a lot better too.

[12,000 RPM]

I like the Macan too, but why would you take one over a Panamera?

Panamera will destroy it in performance, much more room, and now it looks a lot better too.

I would buy a vehicle like this for luxury/status/looks, not performance. Seems a little pointless to be able to get from 0-60 in 3 seconds in a 2 ton plus car with an automatic transmission. Plus if the Macan's interior specs are close to the Q5 (wheelbase and exterior is almost identical) and this new Panamera stays about the same size as the old one the Macan is way roomier. I love the improvements to the design, and in its class the Panamera would be my pick even before the redesign, but the whole large luxury sedan class has zero appeal to me.

[MrH]

...What?

http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/macan/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-porsche-macan-back-seats-are-tight.html

[12,000 RPM]

I mean we can play copypasta all day one way or another:

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Porsche_Macan/Interior/

"There's enough space in the back seat for two medium-sized adults or three kids. Headroom is impressive, given the coupe-like flow of the Macan's roof"

Macan interior might be a lot different from the Q5, because the Q5's back seat and total leg room is bigger than the Panamera's Q5 does have sliding rear seats though.

In any case I prefer small CUVs to big sedans, so even if the Panamera is roomier it doesn't matter to me.

[MrH]

I've sat in both and would really prefer to ride in a Panamera over a Macan

[12,000 RPM]

OK, I am happy that you have arrived at that conclusion. Being that I would buy a car like this to drive, rather than be driven in, and I don't like large sedans, I would still get the Macan over the Panamera. But they have definitely cleaned up the Panamera's looks big time.

[Char]

Still hideously ugly.

Stop taking drugs Raz..err, 206 Jr.

[2o6]

I think it looks a hell of a lot better, but I reserve judgement until I see real studio shots and not leaked photos.

[MX793]

It doesn't appear they've changed the overall shape that much.  They did alter the shape of the side glass, which now flows with the shape of the car more and makes it appear less hunch-backed.  Amazing what small details can do.

[veeman]

If you're going to go "full sedan", then why limit the backseat to two passengers?  There's so many times in a pinch you need to carry a third person in the back.  That alone would make me get something else if I were in the market.  It's a very limiting feature for a sedan.  Unless you're in a family with an only child, mom or dad can never drop off or pick up a friend to the soccer field or bring to a dinner outing. 

[2o6]

If you're going to go "full sedan", then why limit the backseat to two passengers?  There's so many times in a pinch you need to carry a third person in the back.  That alone would make me get something else if I were in the market.  It's a very limiting feature for a sedan.  Unless you're in a family with an only child, mom or dad can never drop off or pick up a friend to the soccer field or bring to a dinner outing.

No one in this market cares, and two buckets feels luxurious.

[MX793]

If you're going to go "full sedan", then why limit the backseat to two passengers?  There's so many times in a pinch you need to carry a third person in the back.  That alone would make me get something else if I were in the market.  It's a very limiting feature for a sedan.  Unless you're in a family with an only child, mom or dad can never drop off or pick up a friend to the soccer field or bring to a dinner outing. 

This isn't really marketed towards people who have to haul the kids and their friends to soccer practice.  That's what Escalades and similar luxury buses are for.  This is an executive's car.  It's meant to occasionally take clients and colleagues out to dinner meetings and golf outings.  Maybe transport another couple out on a double-date.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

This isn't really marketed towards people who have to haul the kids and their friends to soccer practice.  That's what Escalades and similar luxury buses are for.  This is an executive's car.  It's meant to occasionally take clients and colleagues out to dinner meetings and golf outings.  Maybe transport another couple out on a double-date.

[12,000 RPM]

It doesn't appear they've changed the overall shape that much.  They did alter the shape of the side glass, which now flows with the shape of the car more and makes it appear less hunch-backed.  Amazing what small details can do.

I think they made a big alteration to the rear hatch. The original was bulbous like a CR-V. The new one looks a lot sleeker and faster, at the expense of headroom and cargo space. 2o6 is right though, better to see some real world non-camo shots.