$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

[2o6]

I don't trust a Volvo as far as I can throw it. That I5 is crammed in there, and the whole car is not as up to date as the competition.


I'd get a Turbo Civic and call it a day.

[MX793]

I don't trust a Volvo as far as I can throw it. That I5 is crammed in there, and the whole car is not as up to date as the competition.


I'd get a Turbo Civic and call it a day.

The C1 platform was as up to date as anything else of the same vintage (mid to late '00s).  It would obviously be a couple of generations behind a brand new Civic.

[2o6]

The C1 platform was as up to date as anything else of the same vintage (mid to late '00s).  It would obviously be a couple of generations behind a brand new Civic.

Used Volvo compared to a New Civic, I meant.

[Raza]

Used Volvo compared to a New Civic, I meant.

Yeah, but if you buy a used Volvo, you get an upscale interior, some of the best seats EVER to be bolted into a car, and nice exterior styling.  If you buy a new Civic....you get none of those. 

[2o6]

Yeah, but if you buy a used Volvo, you get an upscale interior, some of the best seats EVER to be bolted into a car, and nice exterior styling.  If you buy a new Civic....you get none of those.

S40's are shit.

[Raza]

S40's are shit.

I'm not saying S40, am I? 

But by what metric?

[12,000 RPM]

Im pretty sure i said in the op i want sedan. C30 sucks bro case close

I can't buy a cat for nothing more than it looking good or having good seats. What's so bad about the old IS350

[Raza]

Im pretty sure i said in the op i want sedan. C30 sucks bro case close

I can't buy a cat for nothing more than it looking good or having good seats. What's so bad about the old IS350

OP didn't say shit about what kind of car you were looking for:

You know the scenario. I'm thinking next year will be it. What would you do?

Main priority is reliability... a factory warranty would be a huge plus.

My joke post about Japanese cars basically sucking and European ones being the only ones worth driving becomes truer everyday, as sport models die (or are reincarnated into NSX-like fat hybrid pigs).  Buy something fun before driving your own car becomes illegal, per your dream.   

[12,000 RPM]

Im not looking at new cars though

[Raza]

Im not looking at new cars though

Shit, homie, The Suckening of cars didn't just start this week.

[2o6]

I'm not saying S40, am I? 

But by what metric?

The steering is whack, and the interior is lame. Most modern compact cars beat it up.

[MX793]

The steering is whack, and the interior is lame. Most modern compact cars beat it up.

The T5 AWD is a somewhat interesting prospect, especially with some aftermarket suspension bits.  Kind of like the Saabaru, but on a better platform.

[CALL_911]

Didn't follow them that closely to know how options evolved, but when they first came out there were 2 trims:  1.0 and 2.0.  1.0 had A/S tires and softer suspension.  Sport suspension and wider summer performance tires came on the 2.0.  Sport suspension may have been an option on the 1.0.  C&D's testing back in '08 was of a 1.0 with the regular suspension and A/S tires.  They noted it was comfortable and well composed, but definitely more relaxed than the hot hatch segment.

Then it was definitely one with the base suspension

[2o6]

The T5 AWD is a somewhat interesting prospect, especially with some aftermarket suspension bits.  Kind of like the Saabaru, but on a better platform.

Maybe the T5 AWD is better but the S40 I drove awhile back was such a wholly uninteresting car. The E90 and F30 are so much better

[12,000 RPM]

Shit, homie, The Suckening of cars didn't just start this week.

By this logic your Z sucks. Stop it

If anything sport sedans peaked from 2004-2012 or so. Hot hatches and pony cars continued to improve but I'm only tangentially looking at hatches and fundamentally opposed to pony car packaging efficiency (and not looking at coupes)

So the parameters are set. 4 doors, RWD, 280+ hp, not much bigger than the Civic to comfortably fit in my garage when winter comes. So no Civics, no lukewarm Volvo etc. Why should i settle?

[2o6]

If you end up with a Chrysler 200 over a Turbo Civic imma strike up a collection to have you banned

[Cookie Monster]

If you end up with a Chrysler 200 over a Turbo Civic imma strike up a collection to have you banned

I support this decision.

[mzziaz]

Well, the 200 looks very good, at least. Prettiest in class, IMO.

[MrH]

If you end up with a Chrysler 200 over a Turbo Civic imma strike up a collection to have you banned

+1

[12,000 RPM]

Well, the 200 looks very good, at least. Prettiest in class, IMO.

That counts for a lot to some here. I'm getting mixed signals

[2o6]

It does look ok, but IMO it looks like what it is - a compact car stretched to hell with unusable proportions.



I'd be less offended if you got a Malibu 2.0T.

[Vinsanity]

It does look ok, but IMO it looks like what it is - a compact car stretched to hell with unusable proportions.



I'd be less offended if you got a Malibu 2.0T.

Gotta have that 6 cylinder, son

Which begs the question, why not an Accord over the 200? They still make the sedans with the V6 and 6MT, right?

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[CALL_911]

Gotta have that 6 cylinder, son

Which begs the question, why not an Accord over the 200? They still make the sedans with the V6 and 6MT, right?

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No

But what's wrong w an accord sport?

[12,000 RPM]

Theres nothing an Accord has over a Civic Si or ILX that matters to me. 400 extra lbs and extra space I don't want is not a selling point. Same reason I skipped an Accord over my current car. To me the E90 is about the perfect size for a sedan.... don't want to stray too far from it.

[Vinsanity]

But you can get an Accord with a V6...

I guess this Chrysler 200 nonsense just has us all kinda confused

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[giant_mtb]

Chryslers still go to shit in no time, just so you know.

[MX793]

Chryslers still go to shit in no time, just so you know.

Some of them are shit right out of the factory.

[12,000 RPM]

But you can get an Accord with a V6...

I guess this Chrysler 200 nonsense just has us all kinda confused

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I like the 200 and think people's anger towards it is funny. I wouldn't risk my time and money on one though, just threw it out there for laughs mostly, which I got.

[Raza]

RX-8.

[veeman]

Mini Cooper Clubman. 

Decent backseat, good size for what you want, looks better than the Civic.  Lots of different styling/color options.  Handles well. Good visibility. I don't know about road noise though.  Doesn't have Honda reliability and repairs will be more expensive.