The new Supra

[FoMoJo]

Did you Ford guys remember to put oil in it? 

Every time we took it out we had to put oil in it .  We were Chevy guys back then, for a little while. 

[MrH]

So...I've been reading BMW M2 Competition reviews. Is that going to be the much better choice?

I can't believe this is going to lag that far behind the M2 Comp and cost more. I'm guessing this will come in much cheaper than everyone is guessing.

[BimmerM3]

So...I've been reading BMW M2 Competition reviews. Is that going to be the much better choice?

I can't believe this is going to lag that far behind the M2 Comp and cost more. I'm guessing this will come in much cheaper than everyone is guessing.

Well, according to https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a22748926/2019-bmw-z4-roadster-30i-m40i/

UPDATE 12/12/18: Z4 pricing starts at $50,695 for the four-cylinder sDrive30i model and $64,695 for the six-cylinder M40i model.

How different are the two cars? Is it realistic to expect the Toyota to be more than $5k cheaper than the BMW?

[12,000 RPM]

With the bigger engine? I'm gonna say no

I still don't understand. Toyota has a RWD platform and good engines.

[FoMoJo]

With the bigger engine? I'm gonna say no

I still don't understand. Toyota has a RWD platform and good engines.

That may be true, but they're every unenthusiasts go to vehicle.  It's all about marketing and shared cost.

[MX793]

So...I've been reading BMW M2 Competition reviews. Is that going to be the much better choice?

I can't believe this is going to lag that far behind the M2 Comp and cost more. I'm guessing this will come in much cheaper than everyone is guessing.

You're forgetting the convertible tax.

[MrH]

With the bigger engine? I'm gonna say no

I still don't understand. Toyota has a RWD platform and good engines.

Gt86 platform can't handle that kind of power. Also can't fit a V8. Hood line is crazy low in that car. Basically the only thing that fits is a flat 4

[12,000 RPM]

Gt86 platform can't handle that kind of power. Also can't fit a V8. Hood line is crazy low in that car. Basically the only thing that fits is a flat 4

They could use the IS platform. They just made a new V6TT too

[MrH]

They could use the IS platform. They just made a new V6TT too

That platform is old and getting replaced. V6TT makes sense if they did the vehicle on their own.

[12,000 RPM]

Busy body

[2o6]

The Z4 has BAD proportions, and this makes it look worse.


The surfacing doesn't feel Toyota like; modern Toyotas have a lot of hard edges and shit, the way all these surfaces come together looks odd. And bad.

[Submariner]

Wow...bmw switchgear and everything too?

[Eye of the Tiger]

Busy, but restrained by modern Toyota standards. I don't hate it. I love the shape, but not the details.

[Payman]

Anyone notice the MFD by ... on the door jamb plate?

[Eye of the Tiger]

Anyone notice the MFD by ... on the door jamb plate?

BMW, no shit?

[CaminoRacer]

Big YAWN

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

That Duck Tail looks terrible!

[Payman]

Eh, although it looks like a pulled up shirt collar, I ain't mad at it. Any spoiler looks better than a wing. The previous Supra looks so much better with that ridiculous St. Louis Arch pulled off the trunk and replaced with a spoiler.

[Rich]

Isn't the grab handle supposed to be on the other side of the console?  LOL

Also, that door jamb made by BMW mentioned earlier is another LOL

[12,000 RPM]

It is really weird that Toyota has all these partnerships. They are more than capable of designing and making the iA/BRZ/this on their own. But I guess their partners can use the extra volume. In any case this thing seems to repeat rather than fix the mistakes of the last Supra, while adding some more of its own. Very very strange.

[Soup DeVille]

I just don't see the logic in Toyota, who's manufacturing has been shameslessly copied across the globe and has serious engineers of their own capable of making fast cars, contracting this thing out to BMW.

Especially when the biggest reason to buy one of these would be because "Supra" is a nameplate held in reverence by Toyota fanboys.

[MrH]

I really like the exterior.

The interior...is straight BMW.  I'm shocked honestly.  That's way more blatant than I expected.

[MX793]

Isn't the grab handle supposed to be on the other side of the console?  LOL

Also, that door jamb made by BMW mentioned earlier is another LOL

The entire center console looks like it was designed for RHD.

[CaminoRacer]

Maybe they just photoshopped the wheel on the left.

[MX793]

Any idea when official specs (power, weight, etc) will be released?

[MrH]

Wait.  So this thing is $50k to start is what it sounds like?  And the premium version is $55k?

$55k - 3400 lbs, 335 hp, 8 speed auto

Or you can get an M2 Competition

$58k - 3600 lbs, 405 hp, better equipped, and a 6-speed manual


  Who is supposed to buy this exactly?

[CALL_911]

I like the way it looks, but I just don't see the point. I'd go for an M2 competition over this if I wanted a RWD I6 coupe. Really, I'd go for a Boxster over it.

[Rich]

Wait.  So this thing is $50k to start is what it sounds like?  And the premium version is $55k?

$55k - 3400 lbs, 335 hp, 8 speed auto

Or you can get an M2 Competition

$58k - 3600 lbs, 405 hp, better equipped, and a 6-speed manual


  Who is supposed to buy this exactly?

+ a backseat.

I think the corvette is around this price, as well as the GT350, ZL1, maybe even the 718 Cayman

[CaminoRacer]

Wait.  So this thing is $50k to start is what it sounds like?  And the premium version is $55k?

$55k - 3400 lbs, 335 hp, 8 speed auto

Or you can get an M2 Competition

$58k - 3600 lbs, 405 hp, better equipped, and a 6-speed manual


  Who is supposed to buy this exactly?

Supra fanbois.

[Rich]

I can see why Toyota did it. You get a fun car with more power that the 86 buyer could upgrade to at bargain basement investment.

If it doesn't sell, no skin off Toyota's back.