Proximo GT3 confirmado Manuel

[12,000 RPM]

http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911-gt3/18729/new-911-gt3-to-get-40-litre-flat-six-and-manual-gearbox

This.
Changes.
Everything.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

All these damn 911s make me dizzy!

[r0tor]

I will enjoy seeing the bubble burst on 997 GT3s

[68_427]

The 911R will still be the holy grail of the 991s

[Raza]

I guess people wanted it. Manual is not dead yet.

[Payman]

As a rich enthusiast wanting a manual, where do you go? Good call for Porsche.

[12,000 RPM]

As a rich enthusiast wanting a manual, where do you go? Good call for Porsche.

Something less powerful.... GT3's class is too fast for stickshift; something like a 488 GTB with stickshift would be a full on death trap

[Payman]

Something less powerful.... GT3's class is too fast for stickshift; something like a 488 GTB with stickshift would be a full on death trap

[Xer0]

Something less powerful.... GT3's class is too fast for stickshift; something like a 488 GTB with stickshift would be a full on death trap

So we should expect manual Z06 and ZL1 owners just dying left and right?


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[MrH]

I actually agree with Sporty on his hot take here

Try driving one of these really fast cars near the limit, and you'll quickly realize you can't keep up.  I would still enjoy a manual GT3 a lot, but I don't blame them for going PDK only.  Even on an E90 M3, I think I would prefer a dual clutch instead.

[12,000 RPM]

Yea, puttering around C&C doesn't count. And we have all seen the Corvette/Mustang straight line crash compilations.... throw another 200-400 HP on that and see what happens

At this level of performance the less the driver has to do the better. FFS a lot of these cars have to have their power capped for GT3 race trim... and that's with full racing slicks, paddle shift, aero and most importantly professional racers behind the wheel.

[MX793]

Lol, people in cars with more power than they can handle crashing while showing off at C&C isn't going to be affected by the type of transmission.  Half of those Mustangs and Vettes that fishtail off the road are probably automatics anyway.

There's plenty of stories/photos/videos of exotics and supercars with DSGs/SMGs crashed on public streets because their owners were driving like idiots.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Driving an automatic C6 Corvette was scary to me. There is very little control over how the power is applied to the rear wheels when cornering hard. Add a bump during a mid-corner shift, and you're toast. The manual mode responds slowly and unoredictably. F that. It's good for drag racing, and 7/10ths twisties. Not good at the limit.

[Payman]

To really enjoy these cars in the real world, there's nothing like shifting gears yourself, in full control of the RPMS, heel-toe shifting and using some actual skill driving on a nice twisty road. To me that's worth the price of admission. If I wanted a car to do everything for me I'd just buy one of the other 95% of the mobility appliances out there.
Better on a track or near the limit? How many of you will ever track a $100,000+ car or even approach 50% of its potential? Get real.

[12,000 RPM]

To really enjoy these cars in the real world, there's nothing like shifting gears yourself, in full control of the RPMS, heel-toe shifting and using some actual skill driving on a nice twisty road. To me that's worth the price of admission. If I wanted a car to do everything for me I'd just buy one of the other 95% of the mobility appliances out there.
Better on a track or near the limit? How many of you will ever track a $100,000+ car or even approach 50% of its potential? Get real.

You can't enjoy these cars in the real world. At least with any kind of regard for the law and public safety. Instead of enjoying the drive you wind up focusing on trying to keep it all reined in. In the context of driving like a sane person on the street the skills involved driving one of these are no bigger or different than those required to drive a stickshift Versa. If you buy a GT3 and never take it to the track you're doing it wrong

[Rich]

I think this depends on location and geography.

These things can really be opened up out west. On the straights and the curves of well built roads in the mountains.

In the east and in cities not so much

[12,000 RPM]

That's probably a fair point as well, but even still, even pushing a base Carrera hard on public roads is pretty damn reckless.

[giant_mtb]

I think this depends on location and geography.

These things can really be opened up out west. On the straights and the curves of well built roads in the mountains.

In the east and in cities not so much

Fun Fax: We have a 25-mile completely straight stretch of road nearby.  Supposedly one of the longest no-curve stretches east of the Mississippi, and longest in MI.  The Seney Stretch...epic place if you've got a fast car.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=751DTKSqeWw

[Soup DeVille]

You can't enjoy these cars in the real world. At least with any kind of regard for the law and public safety. Instead of enjoying the drive you wind up focusing on trying to keep it all reined in. In the context of driving like a sane person on the street the skills involved driving one of these are no bigger or different than those required to drive a stickshift Versa. If you buy a GT3 and never take it to the track you're doing it wrong

You do not need to be at 9/10ths or even 6/10ths these days to enjoy  these cars.

[giant_mtb]

You do not need to be at 9/10ths or even 6/10ths these days to enjoy  these cars.

I think the notion that you can't enjoy a car unless you're using it to its full potential is garbage.  By that logic, virtually none of us enjoy our cars 99% of the time, which is obviously bullshit.

Is a GT3 overkill for the street?  Absolutely, but so are so many other vehicles.  Does that mean you can't enjoy it?  Uhhh, no.

[Xer0]

Guys, this bullshit hyperbole is coming from a dude that advocates bike ownership which is both less safe than a car on average and with more extreme performance on average.  You absolutely can enjoy your car at 1/10ths if you wanted to and plenty of people do all the time.  The manual is just one part of that.

[12,000 RPM]

Guys, this bullshit hyperbole is coming from a dude that advocates bike ownership which is both less safe than a car on average and with more extreme performance on average.  You absolutely can enjoy your car at 1/10ths if you wanted to and plenty of people do all the time.  The manual is just one part of that.

Ehhh, bikes aren't really comparable. For starters their immersive nature makes them way more engaging than any car. Plus self-preservation/physics make the lateral limits of a bike much lower than a car. So not only do you not need to go as fast for the same thrills; most of the time you physically can't. We have all seen the videos of pretty weak sauce cars giving sportbikes the business through turns... and that's in the hands of good riders. Cars by comparison are much easier to drive fast

[CaminoRacer]

IDK I enjoy my car cruising at 0/10ths through a nice downtown area with big plate glass windows so I can check myself out.

[Xer0]

Ehhh, bikes aren't really comparable. For starters their immersive nature makes them way more engaging than any car. Plus self-preservation/physics make the lateral limits of a bike much lower than a car. So not only do you not need to go as fast for the same thrills; most of the time you physically can't. We have all seen the videos of pretty weak sauce cars giving sportbikes the business through turns... and that's in the hands of good riders. Cars by comparison are much easier to drive fast

So let me get this straight, because bikes are more dangerous and much harder to control, they are okay, but since cars are safter and easier to control they aren't?  You're jumping through way too many hoops to justify your own hyperbole now.  You are confusing your experience/wants for what someone else might think, and that is a very very dangerous place to be logically.

[Payman]

Bottom line... a manual anything is going to be a more entertaining drive than an automatic at legal speeds.

[12,000 RPM]

So let me get this straight, because bikes are more dangerous and much harder to control, they are okay, but since cars are safter and easier to control they aren't?  You're jumping through way too many hoops to justify your own hyperbole now.  You are confusing your experience/wants for what someone else might think, and that is a very very dangerous place to be logically.

I don't think so. You have to drive something like a GT3 way harder than you would have to ride a bike to have the same amount of fun. Plus with the bike if you ride like a dumbass you're much less likely to kill somebody besides yourself

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

I think the notion that you can't enjoy a car unless you're using it to its full potential is garbage.  By that logic, virtually none of us enjoy our cars 99% of the time, which is obviously bullshit.

Is a GT3 overkill for the street?  Absolutely, but so are so many other vehicles.  Does that mean you can't enjoy it?  Uhhh, no.

My GS has waaaaay more funk than I'll EVER use! But I enjoy driving it at 5/10 just as much as I would at 9/10! Plus at that level I don't have to worry as much about wrecking it! 

[Payman]

You can pummel a Daihatsu Midget II at 10/10ths, and still be within legal speeds. 

[Xer0]

I don't think so. You have to drive something like a GT3 way harder than you would have to ride a bike to have the same amount of fun. Plus with the bike if you ride like a dumbass you're much less likely to kill somebody besides yourself

Well, I'm glad you don't think it would make a difference for you, but again, you aren't the owner of these cars.  You couldn't DD a 350Z but plenty of people do and enjoy cars much more extreme day in and day out.  Hell, Rag's car is barely street legal at this point and he still enjoys it at like 2/10ths.  Point is, you're experience isn't everyone's experience and just cause a GT3 would bore you puttering around in traffic doesn't mean it would bore someone else.  I'm glad you found something that works for you, but understand that it won't work for everyone.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Bottom line... a manual anything is going to be a more entertaining drive than an automatic at legal speeds.

This is true! But Imma be honest! IDK if it's age or I'm just getting soft but a manual in my sports car is not a requirement for me anymore. After almost 10 years in manuals (Z28,MR2,etc.) I don't care what gearbox it has. Now back in the day I would never pick and Auto Mustang GT over a 5 Speed. Same for a Camaro. But back then the Stick was waaaay faster than the Auto (more so the 5.0 than the Z28) so it was a no brainer. But now with Autos OUTRUNNING the manuals there's no penalty for going with an Auto.