Tesla

[Char]

It's one of the lease thought out shits out here yet

You have shit taste, I don't value anything you have to say. I don't know why you try to make a point to engage me when I barely acknowledge your existence.
You like ugly, cheap poorly thought out economy cars - I don't.
You like souless toasters - I don't
You throw a bitch fit because people aren't judging cars on some arbitrary method you thought up to justify why you like it in the first place. I don't know what there is to discuss.

[2o6]

You have shit taste, I don't value anything you have to say. I don't know why you try to make a point to engage me when I barely acknowledge your existence.
You like ugly, cheap poorly thought out economy cars - I don't.
You like souless toasters - I don't
You throw a bitch fit because people aren't judging cars on some arbitrary method you thought up to justify why you like it in the first place. I don't know what there is to discuss.

You're a really bad troll. It's clear you read absolutely zero part of this thread.


Also, most people here think you're a joke and likely a member here trolling us all.

[2o6]

Autonomy has come a long way. Sometimes, it's spooky how good it is.

Other times, it drives into trailers at full speed.

With the spotty-in-places infrastructure that the US has, I'm not convinced a computer brain is smart enough to account for a lot of things in the day-to-day driving.

[Char]

You're a really bad troll. It's clear you read absolutely zero part of this thread.


Also, most people here think you're a joke and likely a member here trolling us all.

I read this thread and called this car a failure on many objective measures outside of the high price tag, and dumb infotainment center. Maybe - just maybe - you should try taking your own advice and read the thread.

[2o6]

Dubious infotainment aside, it's got range and performance much more akin to a real car. It's just as fast as a 328i coupe, and about the same usable range, for roughly the same price.


No one else has done that yet. The Bolt is cool, but it's a different type of car.

[SVT_Power]

It's sad that this tech is being hailed as a miracle when the solution is just to pay fucking attention. But our relationship to the automobile has degraded to being worse than our relationship with the gun--at least we acknowledge that guns are dangerous and need to be handled with care. Even ads for this kind of technology not only address distracted driving, but the tone often promotes it. Not paying attention to the 4,000 pound missile filled with flammable liquids and your family's lives in it? Don't worry, we've got you. Kylie Jenner might be pregnant. That's more important.

Aside from when technology malfunctions and causes problems, if it really could dependably act as a buffer between you and an accident - what's really the problem with not having to pay as much attention?

You wouldn't complain about say wearing equipment that would allow you to worry less about injury when playing sports.

[Char]

Dubious infotainment aside, it's got range and performance much more akin to a real car. It's just as fast as a 328i coupe, and about the same usable range, for roughly the same price.


No one else has done that yet. The Bolt is cool, but it's a different type of car.

As fast as a 328i, costs more and range that would likely not approach it. Not to mention it's not as polished as the 328i is either - so regadless of how 'close' of an attempt it is at making a 'real car' it's still not a real fucking car. It's a novelty item not fit for prime time.

[giant_mtb]

You wouldn't complain about say wearing equipment that would allow you to worry less about injury when playing sports.

Until that equipment makes you realize you can hit and be hit harder so you start fuckin' shit up and have CTE by the time you're 34.  Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[SVT_Power]

Until that equipment makes you realize you can hit and be hit harder so you start fuckin' shit up and have CTE by the time you're 34.  Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Except the point of this technology we're talking about is to prevent you from getting into accidents - even if you were more negligent, the point of the tech is to prevent accidents period.

This is where the part I said "Aside from when technology malfunctions and causes problems, if it really could dependably" prevent accidents is important 

[93JC]

I can picture it now - base model customer who doesn't have the autonomous features (which aren't foolproof) gets frustrated and unintentionally stares at the screen whilst trying to figure out wipers, heat/AC, radio, or speed.

It'll take this hypothetical customer a while to find the radio: the car has no radio.

At present, the Tesla Model 3 has no FM radio (AM is completely unsupported), and no streaming of music through a phone or any other electronic device. The only way to play music in the Model 3, at least for now, is to use a third-party streaming service over the car's 4G internet connection. In the end, this won't be too big of an issue, as an over-the-air update is planned that will enable FM radio and bluetooth streaming, and it's thought to be coming very soon.

The degree to which this car's design was comprimised to appease Silicon Valley tech-bros and other such fanbois is baffling. This is the car that was supposed to take Tesla 'mainstream' and it doesn't even have an AM/FM radio?

[MX793]

IMO, accident avoidance safety net systems are a positive.  When people stop relying on them as a safety net is when things will start to go south.  Personally, I think these systems should have "features" that will discourage people from relying on them in normal operation.  For example, if you trip the car's automatic emergency braking more than twice in a 24 hour period, on the third occurrence the car should sound an obnoxious internal chime/tone for 5 minutes and disable all infotainment system functions, including power to USB ports for device charging, for the next 24 hours.  More than 5 times?  The car goes into a limp mode, reducing top speed to 15 mph for some period of time (maybe an hour?).

[Raza]

Aside from when technology malfunctions and causes problems, if it really could dependably act as a buffer between you and an accident - what's really the problem with not having to pay as much attention?

You wouldn't complain about say wearing equipment that would allow you to worry less about injury when playing sports.

Actually....

There's an argument that protective gear in football is a psychological cause for many of the catastrophic head injuries players experience. People are encouraged to hit harder as a replacement for real tackling, which has disappeared from the game entirely.

[Tave]

It'll take this hypothetical customer a while to find the radio: the car has no radio.

The degree to which this car's design was comprimised to appease Silicon Valley tech-bros and other such fanbois is baffling. This is the car that was supposed to take Tesla 'mainstream' and it doesn't even have an AM/FM radio?

How is the design compromised when it allows them to give you the unit free of charge with no physical installation? No other manufacturer on earth offers that kind of adaptive upgrade.

I really doubt it was done to appease executives—everyone knows the writing is on the wall for radio, and pushing it through a package likely saved them a bit of time and money for the release.

[12,000 RPM]

Aside from when technology malfunctions and causes problems, if it really could dependably act as a buffer between you and an accident - what's really the problem with not having to pay as much attention?

You wouldn't complain about say wearing equipment that would allow you to worry less about injury when playing sports.

I think it is a little sad that we have become so bad as drivers for this to even be necessary.

How is the design compromised when it allows them to give you the unit free of charge with no physical installation? No other manufacturer on earth offers that kind of adaptive upgrade.

The only other cars sold without FM radios in the US are track day specials. No other manufacturer does this because it's idiotic.

What happens if you can't connect to data for some reason and need to hear about an impending weather emergency? We get flash tornado warnings down here all the time.

[Cookie Monster]

I think it is a little sad that we have become so bad as drivers for this to even be necessary.
The only other cars sold without FM radios in the US are track day specials. No other manufacturer does this because it's idiotic.

What happens if you can't connect to data for some reason and need to hear about an impending weather emergency? We get flash tornado warnings down here all the time.

Sucks for you for having such a poverty 4G/data plan.

[MX793]

Sucks for you for having such a poverty 4G/data plan.

There are large areas in this country that have little/no cell coverage.  If they do, it's talk/text only, no 3/4G data.

[Cookie Monster]

There are large areas in this country that have little/no cell coverage.  If they do, it's talk/text only, 3/4G data.

Well then, sounds like people in those areas shouldn't buy Model 3's.

[r0tor]

All this rage should have been directed at all auto manufacturers over the last 5 year - not just Tesla.

My 2011 Grand Cherokee has a physical button for the seat heaters.  The new models have the seat heaters controls buried 3 sub menus into the infotainment screen.  WTF?  I probably use that function way more then the wipers on a daily basis.

[2o6]

As a lyft driver, I have serious issues with connectivity to 4G/LTE coverage during OSU game days. There's so many people at the stadium (upwards of 50K people) that the cell towers get overwhelmed. I have been sitting in a lyft surge zone, waiting for 20 minutes or longer to get a ride; not for lack of demand - but the lack of cell service means the Lyft app can't connect to me and assign a ride. I can't text, I cant connect to the internet. I'm basically mute, unless I drive at least a mile away from campus.


This happens every Saturday.


I don't want that situation in my car.

[r0tor]

Bluetooth or connect an MP3 player?

[Payman]

All this rage should have been directed at all auto manufacturers over the last 5 year - not just Tesla.

My 2011 Grand Cherokee has a physical button for the seat heaters.  The new models have the seat heaters controls buried 3 sub menus into the infotainment screen.  WTF?  I probably use that function way more then the wipers on a daily basis.

Oh, I rage at them as well. My Focus has the traction control defeat buried under sub menus, and every winter it makes me &^%$#$. I don't like this trend, and the Model 3 is utterly ridiculous.

[MX793]

All this rage should have been directed at all auto manufacturers over the last 5 year - not just Tesla.

My 2011 Grand Cherokee has a physical button for the seat heaters.  The new models have the seat heaters controls buried 3 sub menus into the infotainment screen.  WTF?  I probably use that function way more then the wipers on a daily basis.

And people have been griping about this for years.  Have you not read a single review of a vehicle fitted with MyFordTouch?

[MrH]

As a lyft driver, I have serious issues with connectivity to 4G/LTE coverage during OSU game days. There's so many people at the stadium (upwards of 50K people) that the cell towers get overwhelmed. I have been sitting in a lyft surge zone, waiting for 20 minutes or longer to get a ride; not for lack of demand - but the lack of cell service means the Lyft app can't connect to me and assign a ride. I can't text, I cant connect to the internet. I'm basically mute, unless I drive at least a mile away from campus.


This happens every Saturday.


I don't want that situation in my car.

50k?  Try more like 100,000.  Game days are nuts.

[93JC]

Bluetooth or connect an MP3 player?

At present, the Tesla Model 3 has no FM radio (AM is completely unsupported), and no streaming of music through a phone or any other electronic device.

Doesn't support Bluetooth streaming, doesn't have an aux port.

All this rage should have been directed at all auto manufacturers over the last 5 year - not just Tesla.

I have.

[93JC]

How is the design compromised when it allows them to give you the unit free of charge with no physical installation? No other manufacturer on earth offers that kind of adaptive upgrade.

If any other manufacturer on earth offered FM radio support as an "adaptive upgrade" they'd be raked over the coals for it, hard. What you call "an adaptive upgrade" I call "a half-baked product". The fact that they can 'upgrade' the car to support FM radio means the car has an FM antenna and the requisite demodulator circuitry already onboard, it's just inaccessible to the software on the dash-iPad. It's a deliberately gimped product!

I really doubt it was done to appease executives—everyone knows the writing is on the wall for radio, and pushing it through a package likely saved them a bit of time and money for the release.

I'd wager a huge majority of North Americans still listen to broadcast radio. I listen to it every day: it serves as my alarm on my clock-radio, I listen to news as I get ready for work, and if I drove to the office I'll listen to AM talk radio on the way home for traffic reports.

[2o6]

I definitely still use FM radio. I listen to NPR, and other local stations too.

[Laconian]

IMO stuff like that is a quality canary. If they can't get basic shit like that working right, then which other corners have they cut?

[SVT_Power]

I think it is a little sad that we have become so bad as drivers for this to even be necessary.

Collision avoidance technology would've been useful at any point in time.

You can say we're worse drivers than ever but statistics show (thanks to modern engineering), traffic fatalities rate per population is less than half of its peak back in the 60's. That's a lot of people that would've benefited from collision avoidance, even if they were better drivers than today.

[r0tor]

Oh, I rage at them as well. My Focus has the traction control defeat buried under sub menus, and every winter it makes me &^%$#$. I don't like this trend, and the Model 3 is utterly ridiculous.

Oh yea... That's nearly impossible to find

[CaminoRacer]

Collision avoidance technology would've been useful at any point in time.

You can say we're worse drivers than ever but statistics show (thanks to modern engineering), traffic fatalities rate per population is less than half of its peak back in the 60's. That's a lot of people that would've benefited from collision avoidance, even if they were better drivers than today.

Fatalities are down, but distracted driver accidents are WAY up. The 1960s fatalities could have been avoided with safety features such as seat belts, airbags, and improved impact absorbtion. And modern tire technology and chassis design. I'll have to look up the stats on overall accident rates, but overall it seems like collision avoidance is a band aid to fix the plague of smart phones and touch screen infotainment.

Too bad we don't have a time machine. I'd like to give everyone in 1968 a 2010 Accord without nav and see what the crash/fatality stats look like. (Current DUI cultural stigma would have to be transferred as well)